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2012-07-13 02:40:31 PM  
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.
 
2012-07-13 02:53:33 PM  

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Really, she should have left quietly. That's probably what I would have done. But, yeah, Daniel Tosh is also a misogynistic tool.
 
2012-07-13 02:57:01 PM  

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


My work here is done.

/do not heckle a comedian unless it's Andy Kauffman, and he's dead
 
2012-07-13 02:57:56 PM  
If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.
 
2012-07-13 03:00:45 PM  

Lsherm: This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

He got heckled and he reacted in character. Now that might be a reprehensible character and all the criticisms about his act including references to rape and such are valid, but ultimately if you interrupt Gallagher's set don't be surprised when you get covered in watermelon.
 
2012-07-13 03:06:47 PM  

dameron: Lsherm: This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

He got heckled and he reacted in character. Now that might be a reprehensible character and all the criticisms about his act including references to rape and such are valid, but ultimately if you interrupt Gallagher's set don't be surprised when you get covered in watermelon.


Thanks for the clarification. I don't think (and I doubt most people do) that Daniel Tosh is really advocating rape, or that he's such an asshole in real life.
 
2012-07-13 03:14:11 PM  
Sounds like Tosh is up for a Web Redemption.
 
2012-07-13 03:19:40 PM  

dameron: His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?


The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.
 
2012-07-13 03:37:36 PM  
The real tragedy here is that Daniel Tosh got heckled. In a perfect world, that wouldn't have happened.


Mostly because there wouldn't have been anyone in the audience
 
2012-07-13 03:38:46 PM  

mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think


haha, what? there are STILL republicans who believe that, even after all of the years. bill oreilly let him co-host his show AND they had him host the correspondance dinner for GWB.
 
2012-07-13 03:48:03 PM  
I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.
 
2012-07-13 03:57:14 PM  

FloydA: The real tragedy here is that Daniel Tosh got heckled. In a perfect world, that wouldn't have happened.


Mostly because there wouldn't have been anyone in the audience


I'd be there. Saw him once in concert and I was crying laughing the entire time. Didn't get tickets in time this year to see him or else I would've gone to that tour too.
 
2012-07-13 04:16:12 PM  
Daniel Tosh, he makes me laugh. Lighten up Francis.
 
2012-07-13 04:17:39 PM  
Here's a list of every funny female comic:

Same as List of female comedians funnier than Daniel Tosh:
 
2012-07-13 04:17:41 PM  

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


I think it would be more accurate to describe his persona as misanthropic.
 
2012-07-13 04:18:18 PM  

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Unless this is the first time she's ever heard of Daniel Tosh, she should have known what she was in for.

I saw him live at the Mirage and he used the same material, and no one walked out. This whiney biatch needs to grow some thicker skin.
 
2012-07-13 04:18:54 PM  

mahuika: dameron: His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.


Rape is a terrible, horrible, evil crime. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But it doesn't get a protected status when it comes to jokes separate from dead baby jokes, 9/11 jokes, or Holocaust jokes.

/Although Tosh's "joke" of "wouldn't it be funny if this woman right her got raped right now" was just so insanely outside the bounds of acceptable that it doesn't really belong in this category.
 
2012-07-13 04:20:36 PM  
His rape joke wasn't particularly funny. Neither were any of those tweets. Are they even? Can we drop it?
 
2012-07-13 04:20:48 PM  

tlchwi02: mahuika: The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think

haha, what? there are STILL republicans who believe that, even after all of the years. bill oreilly let him co-host his show AND they had him host the correspondance dinner for GWB.


If you think that means that O'Reilly and the guy who booked him as entertainment for the Correspondent's Dinner didn't realize it was an act, you're the one we're all laughing at.
 
2012-07-13 04:22:20 PM  
This is kinda like the Michael Richards thing. Honestly, I think the dude was trying to do an edgy-Dave Chappelle thing in response to his hecklers, but he's an uncool white dude and it came off terribly. Same thing here. It's just not going to come off as cool to respond to a heckler like that if you're a dude and the heckler is a woman.

Now, both of these hecklers are stupid assholes, certainly, but you just can't do something like that.
 
2012-07-13 04:24:04 PM  

advex101: Daniel Tosh, he makes me laugh. Lighten up Francis.


Seriously.

/Someone should have raped that girl.
 
2012-07-13 04:29:02 PM  
It's always offensive and off-limits when it's YOUR sacred cow. I'm sure she laughed like all the rest at jokes involving race, gender, sexual orientation, ugly people, dumb models, Jews, Catholics, dead people, victims of other crimes, cancer, etc.
 
2012-07-13 04:30:01 PM  
How is this unacceptable?

If someone comes up to you in the street and punches you in the face, THAT is unacceptable. If you step in to a boxing ring, and a man in shiny shorts and big gloves punches you in the face, that's what happens biatch.

If Tosh did some hidden camera gag where he gets all rapey on random civilians, that would be unacceptable. If you heckle someone on stage, expect a come-back, biatch.
 
2012-07-13 04:30:27 PM  

meanmutton: If you think that means that O'Reilly and the guy who booked him as entertainment for the Correspondent's Dinner didn't realize it was an act, you're the one we're all laughing at.


have you SEEN the correspondents dinner? its pretty clear whoever booked that had no idea what they were getting into. They knew he was a comic, but they pretty clearly did not realize what his shtick was.
 
2012-07-13 04:32:41 PM  
I'm not really sure Louis CK defended Tosh, unless there's more to it than that "your show is funny" tweet.
 
2012-07-13 04:34:27 PM  
Cyndi Lauper is a comedian??
 
2012-07-13 04:34:41 PM  
He's a douche. Something about the dude makes me want to reach thorough my Sirus deck and strangle him. On top of that, when my stepsons watch his stupid show, I get hives. He's not really that funny, and he CAN be a total prick. We have plenty of shiat to make jokes about, we can go ahead and leave 'rape' off the bill. Jokes are supposed to strike a never somewhere, but you don't have to be an ass.

Fark this dude. If I did a top 200 comedians of all time list, I'd have to dig up about 150, but I could find 150 that would rank over him.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:22 PM  
So, the story is Daniel Tosh is bad at handling hecklers?

Really, she shouldn't have interrupted. A comedian draws you in with his routine, and his timing is practiced. You heckle him like that, you interrupt the flow, and you draw EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE out of it.

But, he should have said something else. What he said wasn't funny, not because he was suggesting she get raped, but it because it just wasn't funny. Perhaps something along the lines of "Ooohhh. Sounds like somebody got raped before the show started. Don't forget to pick up some Plan B on your way home." would probably have been funnier, and shut her up all the same.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:42 PM  

CastorTroy: If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.


She is also really not making a dig at tosh, at least not in that tweet anyway.



Besides, the only female comedian out there right now worth any attention is Amy Schumer, and she has gone as far as to declare herself "Team Tosh"

I simply cannot understand a woman who calls herself a comedian would be in favor of censoring other comedians. Same can be said for black comedians who call for people who make racist jokes to be fired/banned/censored.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:59 PM  
Didn't he already apologize for this? As much as a comedian should apologize for a response to being heckled. Out of line? Of course. Daniel was being a tremendous asshole by making such a comment. On the other hand, never heckle a comedian, know the comedian you are planning to see, and if the guy is saying "all rape jokes are funny" on stage then are you expecting polite conversation?

Several of the responses to people who are critical of Daniel are inexcusable, however. You do not have a stage and a microphone nor a comedic personality. Stop suggesting someone should be raped because they happen to take offense with a purposefully offensive joke and retort.
 
2012-07-13 04:39:37 PM  
The offensive thing is that it wasn't a funny comeback, if it had it would be fine.

She shouldn't have heckled and he shouldn't responded using rape as the retort because if a rape joke falls flat you get this. I'm not a big fan of rape jokes to begin with because in a large audience statistically there is likely to be someone who was raped. However that said, a good joke is a good joke and everything is fair game when only done right, controversial topics are best not ad-libbed.
 
2012-07-13 04:40:20 PM  
I guess this woman was fine with all of Tosh's other bits - you know, the jokes about black people and welfare, cripple jokes, cancer patient jokes, Asian driving, etc, etc.

But when he joked about a WOMAN being RAPED, a line was definitely crossed!
 
2012-07-13 04:41:27 PM  
FTA: Meghan O'Keefe @megsokay

"I wrote a serious. 'When Rape Jokes Are Never Funny' for @ HuffPostComedy "
O'Keefe, a comedian and writer, linked to her excellent essay (read the whole thing here) on why Daniel Tosh's rape humor shouldn't be defended. Here's an excerpt:

"It's not that comics can't cross lines. Comics should say whatever they want. If Tosh honestly thinks rape is funny... well, that's his opinion...What's disturbing is that this is a worldview that is violent and that lacks empathy. What's even more disturbing is that he's not some unknown comic presenting an unpopular opinion. He's one of the most popular and beloved comic acts in the country. Which means that a huge percentage of our country thinks rape jokes are funny...because they think the act of physically hurting and sexually dominating a woman against her will is funny."


This woman knows what she's talking about. Comedy is about staying within the lines, staying predictable, and saying only that which is good taste and prevents the audience from anything more complicated than a knee slap and a giggle. Things like rape shouldn't be talked about in anything louder than hushed tones. There's no way that humor can function as a way to reflect on tragedy in a way that enables one to examine the violent and serious nature of the world through an emotion other than despair. That's why Blazing Saddles failed as a comedy, it should have treated the material much more seriously. Like Roots.
 
2012-07-13 04:41:52 PM  
... oh. Not Kerri Green.

Thread needs Kerri Green.

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2012-07-13 04:44:09 PM  

CastorTroy: If you've never heard of Bonnie McFarlane well then that's your loss.


First thing that came to my mind:

www.gogaminggiant.com
 
2012-07-13 04:44:51 PM  
Ohhh, some people don't like you to talk like that. Ohh, some people like to shut you up for saying those things.
You know that. Lots of people. Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk.
Tell you what you can't talk about. Well, sometimes they'll say, well you can talk about something but you can't joke about it.
Say you can't joke about something because it's not funny. Comedians run into that shiat all the time.
Like rape. They'll say, "you can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny."
I say, "fark you, I think it's hilarious. How do you like that?"
I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.
See, hey why do you think they call him "Porky," eh? I know what you're going to say.
"Elmer was asking for it. Elmer was coming on to Porky.
Porky couldn't help himself, he got a hard- on, he got horney, he lost control, he went out of his mind."
A lot of men talk like that. A lot of men think that way. They think it's the woman's fault.
They like to blame the rape on the woman. Say, "she had it coming, she was wearing a short skirt."
These guys think women ought to go to prison for being cock teasers. Don't seem fair to me.
Don't seem right, but you can joke about it. I believe you can joke about anything.
It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is.
Because every joke needs one exaggeration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion.
Give you an example. Did you ever see a news story like this in the paper?
Every now and then you run into a story, says, "some guy broke into a house, stole a lot of things, and while he was in there, he raped an 81 year old woman."
And I'm thinking to myself, "WHY??? What the fark kind of a social life does this guy have?"
I want to say, "why did you do that?" "Well she was coming on to me. We were dancing and I got horney.
Hey, she was asking for it, she had on a tight bathrobe." I'll say, "Jesus Christ, be a little farking selective next time will you?"

Now, speaking of rape, do you know what I wonder? I wonder is there more rape at the equator or the north pole.
These are the kind of things I think about when I'm sitting home alone and the power goes out.
I wonder is there more rape at the equator or the north pole. I mean per capita, I know the populations are different.
Most people think it's the equator, I think it's the north pole.
People think it's the equator because it's hot down there, they don't wear a lot of clothing, guys can see women's tits, they get horney and there's a lot of farking going on.
That's exactly why there's less rape at the equator. Because there's a lot of farking going on.
You can tell there's a lot of farking at the equator, take a look at the population figures.
Billions of people live near the equator. How many Eskimos do we have?
Thirty? Thirty five? No one's getting laid at the north pole, it's too farking cold.
Guys say to their wives, "hey tonight honey, huh, tonight, huh?"
"Are you crazy? The wind chill factor is three hundred below."
These guys are deprived. Their horney. Their pent up. Every now and then...p-pmm...they bust out, they got to rape somebody.

Now, the biggest problem an Eskimo rapist has, trying to get wet leather leggings off a woman who is kicking.
Did you ever try to get leather pants off of someone who doesn't want to take them off?
You would lose your hard-on in the process.
Up at the north pole you dick would shrivel up like a stack of dimes.
That's another thing I wonder.
I wonder, does a rapist have a hard-on when he leaves the house in the morning,
or does he develop it during the day while he's walking around looking for somebody.
These are the kind of thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools.


- George Carlin
 
2012-07-13 04:47:30 PM  
Why are men vs. women rape jokes taboo, ... but man vs. man rape (ie: prison, being screwed over, taking one for the team, etc) jokes welcomed and told at least twice a week on average by men and women alike? I mean, "yay equality" and all that, right? What about my feelings?! You don't know what I went through in that holding cell!

/need 1 more this week.
 
2012-07-13 04:49:49 PM  
The thing I like about Tosh is that he says things that are outrageous, beyond the pale, and make you uncomfortable. This sort of remark sounds just like him.

Why would you go to one of his shows, heckle him, and then NOT expect something like this to come back at you. Did the heckling woman really think she was going to publicly shame Tosh into tasteful sensitivity?
 
2012-07-13 04:50:18 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.


I'll raise you Dane Cook.
 
2012-07-13 04:53:38 PM  
www.yourlocalweb.co.uk

Vast fields of rape, nearly as far as the eye can see...
 
2012-07-13 04:54:06 PM  
Lsherm
At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Wrong. It's about heckling, which the woman shouldn't have done, and Tosh coming back with a disgusting and completely unfunny retort, which he definitely shouldn't have done. He's an asshole. Other assholes are springing to his defense. That's hardly surprising.
 
2012-07-13 04:55:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.

My work here is done.

/do not heckle a comedian unless it's Andy Kauffman, and he's dead


Are you sure?
 
2012-07-13 04:55:38 PM  

LindyJohn: The thing I like about Tosh is that he says things that are outrageous, beyond the pale, and make you uncomfortable.


You misspelled 'Doug Stanhope'.
 
2012-07-13 04:57:39 PM  
George Carlin for the win, with an assist by LemSkroob
 
2012-07-13 04:58:47 PM  
If you go through life expecting to find all comedy material you encounter to be 100% funny and inoffensive, you're going to experience a lot of disappointment.
 
2012-07-13 05:01:34 PM  

mahuika: dameron: His persona is an act. Whether or not Tosh himself is a misogynistic douchebag remains to be seen but the ironic character he plays certainly is. I'm astounded that some people don't see this, or, is this just the same demographic that thinks Colbert is a Republican and that Gilbert Gottfried really sounds like he's shiatting shurikens every time he speaks?

The difference is that there aren't Republicans who think Stephen Colbert is just bravely saying what most Republicans think, whereas lots of people think rape jokes are amusing and that being against them makes you sensitive or uptight.


You didn't laugh at the Antoine Dodson video, the end of Trading Places, any hitchhiker joke ever, the end of Mallrats, any prison joke ever, etc. The word and concept of rape can kill the comedy quick (classic rookie improv mistake), but a good comedian can make you laugh while discussing rape. Saying that rape jokes are never funny is just as indefensible of a position as saying that rape jokes are always funny. People get vitriolic when they feel attacked. The fact that people on the internet are treating other people on the internet like garbage is not the basis of any worthwhile argument about anything.

This is about a girl who doesn't understand sarcasm or irony sharing the out of context words of a notoriously sarcastic comedian as though they should be taken at face value, and lots of morons taking those same out of context words at face value. Look at her account of the situation. It wasn't rape jokes that offended her, it was that he said rape jokes are always funny and she felt that meant he was saying that there was something wrong with her because she didn't think rape jokes are always funny.

Guess what people, neither does Daniel Tosh or any other reasonable person. That's what makes it funny when he says it over and over and over again. Its an indefensible position and he's using every coy voice inflection and facial expression he has in his arsenal to let the audience know that, and one girl doesn't get it.

The reason this thing blew up is that millions of people read a clearly biased summary of what someone might have said in a comedy club and didn't immediately say to themselves "I have no idea what actually happened and shouldn't comment until I do" We have just become absolutely worthless at evaluating situations without video evidence.
 
2012-07-13 05:03:28 PM  
Self defense for women isn't promoted nearly enough.
 
2012-07-13 05:03:29 PM  

Lsherm: I don't think (and I doubt most people do) that Daniel Tosh is really advocating rape, or that he's such an asshole in real life.


You obviously haven't read a lot of the twitter complaints and conversations about this. In TFA, there's one tweet that mentions "rape culture." It is their claim that anyone who "promotes rape culture" is, in fact, promoting the act of rape. The only other instance I know of a big blowup over this is Tucker Max.

Regardless of what you think of the joke or the comedian himself, you can't simply jump to the correlation that he's promoting or advocating rape. Why not go after actual rapists rather than people making subjectively funny comments about rape.

Like Doug Stanhope said, I've never heard of a rapist using the "it seemed funny at the time" defense.
 
2012-07-13 05:05:30 PM  

NutznGum: Pocket Ninja: I'm not sure whether Carlos Mencia or Daniel Tosh is the more worthless comedian, but it angers me on some level that I even need to consider the question at all.

I'll raise you Dane Cook.


Daniel Tosh is right at the bottom, dueling Dane Cook for second-to-last place, just under Michael Richards. Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness is always going to be at the bottom of the list, because that exploitative, thieving, lying bastard would have to be deposed by another exploitative, lying, thieving bastard who did something on top of all that.
 
2012-07-13 05:06:28 PM  

Lsherm: At the end of the day, this is a story about heckling.

This woman doesn't get a pass just because Daniel Tosh is a misogynistic tool.


Mary Elisabeth Williams is one of the more interesting Salon writers because of articles like this one. A little rare for my taste, but I am not surprised she would write this. (Also not surprised if she wrote the more obvious feminista article on this.)
 
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