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(ESPN)   5 years/$100M, $60M guaranteed, $40M for 2012. It is accomplished   (espn.go.com) divider line 188
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2012-07-13 09:02:00 PM  

IAmRight: digistil: Rodgers isn't there yet, and may never be.

Yeah, keep being delusional. He already has accomplished as much or more in his career as Brees and he's barely started. Imagine if his coach let him play full games and the full season.


I'll put Rodgers in the same general category as Brees. But Brees has an intangible, Colts-era Manning ability to extend far beyond his individual play. I'm not claiming Rodgers can't eventually do the same, but right now Brees is arguably the best QB in the league for reasons beyond stats. Apparently lots of people who matter agree with me...he's now the highest paid player in NFL history. He might wind down towards age 38 (or not, I'm not the guy's physician), but get ready for at least 3 more seasons of being terrorized by the Black and Gold.
 
2012-07-13 09:07:14 PM  

Misplaced yat: But, kind of pointless to dwell on it, now.


Yep. Pointless and infinitely aggravating, lol.

puffy999: I will point out that my accuracy comment has more to do with the individual and not the system or the raw stats. You may disagree (which is fine), but if you asked me who could win an accuracy skills contest between Brees and Rodgers, I think Rodgers wins every level beyond 20 yards (and it's a push below that).


I don't know about that, man. Brees doesn't have a noodle arm and the guy can hit the center of the bullseye no matter where it is. I'd love to get Rodgers in the Superdome, alas, we're in Lambeau again. At least it'll be September.

js34603: Ben makes the top 5 I think, but doesn't crack the top 3 of Rodgers, Brady and Brees. I think he fits right in that next category with Eli and an aging recovering from neck surgery Peyton. I'd prolly toss Rivers in that tier. Personally I'd put Stafford in there too but he until he does it for a few years I could see putting him in the next lower tier.


I've heard some say 6 is too many for the elite category, but I go Brees/Rodgers/Brady/The Brothers Manning/Roethlisberger. Super mega elite, of course, Brees/Rodgers/Brady.
 
2012-07-13 09:10:13 PM  
" In 2013, the Saints will have a three-day window to release him after the waiver period begins (five days after the Super Bowl); if not, Brees gets another $15 million of fully guaranteed earnings, bringing his two-year total to $55 million."

Am I reading something wrong or are people too stupid to realize this is not a $60 million signing bonus?

Basically they gave themselves an injury out clause, pretty smart.
 
2012-07-13 09:17:16 PM  

steamingpile: Basically they gave themselves an injury out clause, pretty smart.


Wasn't the front office and ownership awful and going to send us back where we belonged, yada yada?
 
2012-07-13 09:27:27 PM  

steamingpile: Am I reading something wrong or are people too stupid to realize this is not a $60 million signing bonus?


Who said it was a $60M signing bonus?

I've heard people say it's $60M guaranteed money, and that's most likely based on this paragraph from TFA:

"While the waiver window gives the Saints an out, both the league and union view the $60 million as "guaranteed" because of the extreme unlikelihood the Saints would want to have paid Brees $40 million for one year or $55 million for two years."
 
2012-07-13 09:38:38 PM  

js34603: Adolf Oliver Nipples: digistil: cameroncrazy1984: digistil: For the #1 QB in the league?

lol

Honest question, who would you rather have?

Someone with one more ring and two more Super Bowl appearances than Drew Brees. Of course, the Steelers already have him so I don't have to wish for it.

He may not be number one statistically but he's top five and he gets results.

No, even as a Steeler homer I can't put Ben above Brees.

Ben makes the top 5 I think, but doesn't crack the top 3 of Rodgers, Brady and Brees. I think he fits right in that next category with Eli and an aging recovering from neck surgery Peyton. I'd prolly toss Rivers in that tier. Personally I'd put Stafford in there too but he until he does it for a few years I could see putting him in the next lower tier.


I didn't put him above Brees. I put him firmly in the top five, and with the good fit that he has and the credibility he's already established I'd rather have him than Brees. It's like asking if you'd rather take Staubach or Bradshaw. One had better numbers, one had more rings, but they were both winners with their teams whereas they probably would not have been for any other team.
 
2012-07-13 09:47:15 PM  

robsul82: dickfreckle: Joe Vitt and Brees already have a long history together. I'm sorry, haters, but you're gonna see another season full of fortyburgers.

Not to mention Carmichael. Hopefully we'll see another sixty spot getting dropped on somebody.


And I'll be here to troll right alongside you. Haters gonna hate.

/seriously, a sixty-spot is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. I've seen this relatively same offense carve up highly regarded defenses and make it look less difficult than me microwaving a Hot Pocket.

Slow To Return: With the new safety initiatives, expect it to only get better and better, as the great QB's will be able to stay in the league longer and longer.


While this is true, it's also worth mentioning the unsung heroes on the Saints line. This guy's worst problem up to this point has been a mosquito bite. They've earned those steaks at Dickie Brennan's and Ruth's. Nicks was a big loss, but I'm confident in his replacement.
 
2012-07-13 09:51:37 PM  

Slow To Return: steamingpile: Am I reading something wrong or are people too stupid to realize this is not a $60 million signing bonus?

Who said it was a $60M signing bonus?

I've heard people say it's $60M guaranteed money, and that's most likely based on this paragraph from TFA:

"While the waiver window gives the Saints an out, both the league and union view the $60 million as "guaranteed" because of the extreme unlikelihood the Saints would want to have paid Brees $40 million for one year or $55 million for two years."


Ummmm the headline says its guaranteed as does the pac 10 supporter.

Its $40 million and then lets see what happens, basically its a reward for dragging their team out of the shiat house and finally making them win a few games.

Its not 60 though.
 
2012-07-13 09:53:26 PM  

robsul82: I've heard some say 6 is too many for the elite category, but I go Brees/Rodgers/Brady/The Brothers Manning/Roethlisberger. Super mega elite, of course, Brees/Rodgers/Brady.


I would like to see Cam Newton make it into that list next year. They might have something good going this year out in Charlotte.
 
2012-07-13 09:54:54 PM  

steamingpile: Ummmm the headline says its guaranteed as does the pac 10 supporter.

Its $40 million and then lets see what happens, basically its a reward for dragging their team out of the shiat house and finally making them win a few games.

Its not 60 though.


The headline, the PAC-10 supporter, and the rest of actual reality says it's $60M guaranteed.
 
2012-07-13 09:55:34 PM  

js34603: I would like to see Cam Newton make it into that list next year. They might have something good going this year out in Charlotte.


He's not.
 
2012-07-13 09:57:24 PM  

steamingpile: Slow To Return: steamingpile: Am I reading something wrong or are people too stupid to realize this is not a $60 million signing bonus?

Who said it was a $60M signing bonus?

I've heard people say it's $60M guaranteed money, and that's most likely based on this paragraph from TFA:

"While the waiver window gives the Saints an out, both the league and union view the $60 million as "guaranteed" because of the extreme unlikelihood the Saints would want to have paid Brees $40 million for one year or $55 million for two years."

Ummmm the headline says its guaranteed as does the pac 10 supporter.

Its $40 million and then lets see what happens, basically its a reward for dragging their team out of the shiat house and finally making them win a few games.

Its not 60 though.


If the NFL and NFLPA consider it $60M, that's good enough for me, regardless of what some random on the Internet considers it.
 
2012-07-13 10:01:02 PM  

robsul82: js34603: I would like to see Cam Newton make it into that list next year. They might have something good going this year out in Charlotte.

He's not.


He might...he could...
 
2012-07-13 10:04:01 PM  

js34603: He might...he could...


You never know. But he's not. :)
 
2012-07-13 10:35:24 PM  
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2012-07-13 10:41:08 PM  
Fun Drew Brees stat:

Drew has caught 6 passes for 72 yards and 1 TD.
 
2012-07-13 11:25:17 PM  
Sweet, so the Saints are now cash strapped and have a lesser chance of signing free agents and / or fielding a defense

Awesome

Geaux Packers!
 
2012-07-13 11:38:20 PM  

japlemon: Sweet, so the Saints are now cash strapped and have a lesser chance of signing free agents and / or fielding a defense

Awesome

Geaux Packers!


Not really when you look at the cap numbers break down. Drew may be getting 40 this season, but his cap hit is only 18.4.
 
2012-07-14 12:09:56 AM  

overfienduglar: Drew may be getting 40 this season, but his cap hit is only 18.4.


$10.4 this year.
 
2012-07-14 01:17:28 AM  

Slow To Return: steamingpile: Slow To Return: steamingpile: Am I reading something wrong or are people too stupid to realize this is not a $60 million signing bonus?

Who said it was a $60M signing bonus?

I've heard people say it's $60M guaranteed money, and that's most likely based on this paragraph from TFA:

"While the waiver window gives the Saints an out, both the league and union view the $60 million as "guaranteed" because of the extreme unlikelihood the Saints would want to have paid Brees $40 million for one year or $55 million for two years."

Ummmm the headline says its guaranteed as does the pac 10 supporter.

Its $40 million and then lets see what happens, basically its a reward for dragging their team out of the shiat house and finally making them win a few games.

Its not 60 though.

If the NFL and NFLPA consider it $60M, that's good enough for me, regardless of what some random on the Internet considers it.


Except that is not some random person on the internet, that's is an actual quote from the article on the contract terms. You can't say $60 million is guaranteed if either side has an out option after the first year, sure most likely he makes the $55 the first two years but if he is injured the first year then it was only $40 guaranteed.

And brees is not Mega elite or whatever term bandwagon rob wants to make up, if he was Mega elite his style would transfer over to any team and a lot of his success depends on the WRs knowing his tendencies. Its a perfect marriage and he's good but outside of NO he would not have that success since its built around his abilities.
 
2012-07-14 02:32:02 AM  

steamingpile: You can't say $60 million is guaranteed


Yeah, I think I'm taking the opinion of just about everybody else in the universe but you. Sorry.

steamingpile: And brees is not Mega elite or whatever term bandwagon rob wants to make up, if he was Mega elite his style would transfer over to any team and a lot of his success depends on the WRs knowing his tendencies. Its a perfect marriage and he's good but outside of NO he would not have that success since its built around his abilities.


In the end, cry moar. Brees/Rodgers/Brady is the upper tier of QBs according to, well, everybody else in the universe but you. At some point you have to realize that when it's "everybody else in the universe vs. you," you're wrong. But that would depend on you being an adult who isn't throwing dirt based on jealousy and bitterness over said QB having a stellar W-L record against your bumbling team, so.
 
2012-07-14 02:37:50 AM  
I mean, Mortensen and the rest of the talking heads mentioned it, and then quickly followed it with "barring catastrophic developments" or the like. Only an insecure little asshole would bring it up as something worthy of derision, but hey, you're an insecure, petty, jealous little asshole, so.
 
2012-07-14 03:25:08 AM  

becksellent: //*prepares for onslaught of rotten produce* :P


Come to the St. Patrick's Day parade in New Orleans, where we pelt you with FRESH produce!

www.gonola.com

OK, that's not actually a pelt, but I was too lazy to find some guy getting a concussion from being walloped on the skull by flying cabbages. You kinda have to be here.

/Parasol's roast beef po-boy for the motherfarking win
 
2012-07-14 03:44:49 AM  

steamingpile: Its a perfect marriage and he's good but outside of NO he would not have that success since its built around his abilities.


This is without doubt the most pants-on-head comment I've ever read in the sports tab. If not for the politics tab, you'd be in the top five of all time.

I think you're confusing Brees with Tebow. You and I both know that Brees doesn't require a team to be re-tooled around him, at least not immediately. He can plug into more existing offenses than not. Like it or not, Brees, at 33, is at the zenith of his career and got there with a hodgepodge of no-name late, supplemental, and even completely undrafted support staff.

Look man, I've spent years being dejected and nearly suicidal as a Saints fan. That your whatever team sucks doesn't lend credence to your butt-frustration. Jesus, are you a Falcons fan or something? What would inspire you to say that Brees can't do anything outside of NO? Do you think a hypothetical free-agency shark swarm would agree?
 
2012-07-14 04:12:26 AM  

dickfreckle: Jesus, are you a Falcons fan or something? What would inspire you to say that Brees can't do anything outside of NO?


Believe it or not, he's a Falcons fan.
 
2012-07-14 06:30:09 AM  

robsul82: dickfreckle: Jesus, are you a Falcons fan or something? What would inspire you to say that Brees can't do anything outside of NO?

Believe it or not, he's a Falcons fan.


I farking knew it. Didn't even check his profile and I farking knew it.

Robsul, I'm generally a live-and-let-live kind of guy, but there are two things I simply hate: Brussels sprouts, and the Falcons.

That is all.
 
2012-07-14 08:59:31 AM  

steamingpile: Except that is not some random person on the internet, that's is an actual quote from the article on the contract terms. You can't say $60 million is guaranteed if either side has an out option after the first year, sure most likely he makes the $55 the first two years but if he is injured the first year then it was only $40 guaranteed.


You misunderstand. YOU are the random person on the internet. The part of the article that I quoted states that both the NFL and the NFLPA consider the money guaranteed, for purposes of classifying the contract. You see, it's my understanding that things like player contracts need to be approved by both bodies.
 
2012-07-14 01:12:03 PM  

Killer Cars: IAmRight: I believe both are excellent leaders and anyone who says one is better than the other is hyping their guy based on something completely intangible because they have nothing tangible that they can put their guy ahead on.

I think most fans can be easily misled into thinking "leadership" always entails an extrovert who is constantly barking orders & instruction, and in general being demonstrative. I'm not insinuating I think with Brees it's all "an act" or anything (and I like him a lot as a QB and just as dude), but his natural on-field personality is more of the traditional field general variety.

That's all cool and everything, but being on an even-keel and performing on a high level consistently is just as much about "leadership" as anything else, and I think both Rodgers and Eli Manning fit that mold. If it's the 4th quarter and adversity strikes, with both you aren't going get a big speech that belongs in movie script; they'll just call play, affix their chin strap, then before they break the huddle they just wink to the other 10 guys and say "chill, we got this."


"Hey look, is that John Candy?"
 
2012-07-14 02:38:55 PM  

dickfreckle: becksellent: //*prepares for onslaught of rotten produce* :P

Come to the St. Patrick's Day parade in New Orleans, where we pelt you with FRESH produce!

[www.gonola.com image 600x400]

OK, that's not actually a pelt, but I was too lazy to find some guy getting a concussion from being walloped on the skull by flying cabbages. You kinda have to be here.

/Parasol's roast beef po-boy for the motherfarking win


Haha, awesome. I actually would like to visit New Orleans someday. My mom went there for a business conference last year and said it was amazing. :)

mattador: Killer Cars: IAmRight: I believe both are excellent leaders and anyone who says one is better than the other is hyping their guy based on something completely intangible because they have nothing tangible that they can put their guy ahead on.

I think most fans can be easily misled into thinking "leadership" always entails an extrovert who is constantly barking orders & instruction, and in general being demonstrative. I'm not insinuating I think with Brees it's all "an act" or anything (and I like him a lot as a QB and just as dude), but his natural on-field personality is more of the traditional field general variety.

That's all cool and everything, but being on an even-keel and performing on a high level consistently is just as much about "leadership" as anything else, and I think both Rodgers and Eli Manning fit that mold. If it's the 4th quarter and adversity strikes, with both you aren't going get a big speech that belongs in movie script; they'll just call play, affix their chin strap, then before they break the huddle they just wink to the other 10 guys and say "chill, we got this."

"Hey look, is that John Candy?"


+16 :)
 
2012-07-15 01:30:58 AM  

IAmRight: Slow To Return: Let Rodgers completely destroy his shoulder then get back to me.

So in order to prove he's a better player, he should go get injured. This makes sense.


Sigh. His story is inspirational. No one wanted him. No one wanted New Orleans (the franchise or the actual city). The two orphans came together and hey, it's not our fault that haters are gonna hate.

For locals, Brees represents our rebirth to a viable city. You have no idea what it was like here, and people tend to be highly emotional about it. Forgive us for using Brees as a metaphor for our troubled town.

I'm actually a Rodgers fan. But until he demonstrates the sort or Phoenix-like recovery of Brees, #9 has the upper hand in terms of Awesome. It's sort of why you and I are sitting at a computer and some soldier who got shot in the face is accepting a commendation. People who overcome career-ending injuries and 100% naysaying in the press but go on to almost perennial playoff berths, breaking one of the NFL's most prestigious records, and having a farking SB ring - well, they've earned the props.

When Rodgers does these things, I promise I'll be here and posting his praises. This isn't fanboy - it's motherfarkng Drew Brees.

/I miss the days when the Saints sucked, and everyone on the internet took pity on us
//not it's haters, haters everywhere
 
2012-07-15 12:27:28 PM  

dickfreckle: I miss the days when the Saints sucked, and everyone on the internet took pity on us


No you don't. At least, not more than you will miss the days of #9 breaking records and being awesome.

dickfreckle: now it's haters, haters everywhere


Embrace it. The hate is kind of refreshing, in a way; when your team sucks, the only fanbases that hate you are your division opponents. Having the Colts and Vikings fanbases now hating the Saints is kind of amusing.
 
2012-07-15 08:34:11 PM  

dickfreckle: Look man, I've spent years being dejected and nearly suicidal as a Saints fan. That your whatever team sucks doesn't lend credence to your butt-frustration. Jesus, are you a Falcons fan or something? What would inspire you to say that Brees can't do anything outside of NO? Do you think a hypothetical free-agency shark swarm would agree?


I never said he couldnt do anything but his greatest success has been in that system, he would be a decent QB almost anywhere but in that offense its tailor made for an accurate QB like kurt warner in st louis, good QB but the system was perfect for his style.

I think brees is a good QB and the saints got lucky by teams not wanting to take a chance on his injured shoulder coming out of san diego, you mis interpreted what was being said, he could be a SB winning QB elsewhere but in NO hes the focal point of a rudderless ship. When he goes, the saints go back in the shiatter.

Slow To Return: You misunderstand. YOU are the random person on the internet. The part of the article that I quoted states that both the NFL and the NFLPA consider the money guaranteed, for purposes of classifying the contract. You see, it's my understanding that things like player contracts need to be approved by both bodies.


Again you are failing to read, if for any reason he gets hurt and cant play up to his abilities this year then after the super bowl the saints have 3 days to cut him loose, which gives them $15 million of the bonus due at that time, its highly unlikely but my point is that is their out clause in case he gets injured. I look at the $40 mill as a bonus for rescuing their shiatty franchise out of the cellar, it should have been done a long time ago but they have to be all sainty and dick him around.
 
2012-07-15 10:20:42 PM  

steamingpile: Slow To Return: You misunderstand. YOU are the random person on the internet. The part of the article that I quoted states that both the NFL and the NFLPA consider the money guaranteed, for purposes of classifying the contract. You see, it's my understanding that things like player contracts need to be approved by both bodies.

Again you are failing to read, if for any reason he gets hurt and cant play up to his abilities this year then after the super bowl the saints have 3 days to cut him loose, which gives them $15 million of the bonus due at that time, its highly unlikely but my point is that is their out clause in case he gets injured. I look at the $40 mill as a bonus for rescuing their shiatty franchise out of the cellar, it should have been done a long time ago but they have to be all sainty and dick him around.



Here's your quote:

steamingpile: You can't say $60 million is guaranteed


Here's my point. The NFL *AND* the NFLPA consider the money guaranteed, so it doesn't mean jack shiat what you or I say. However, if you want to keep on shouting at those clouds, you go right on ahead.
 
2012-07-15 10:34:04 PM  

steamingpile: I think brees is a good QB and the saints got lucky by teams not wanting to take a chance on his injured shoulder coming out of san diego, you mis interpreted what was being said, he could be a SB winning QB elsewhere but in NO hes the focal point of a rudderless ship. When he goes, the saints go back in the shiatter.


Agree with the luck part, but disagree with the Saints going back to the sh*tter 5 years from now. There is no way to predict that. It's the NFL, where the difference between winners and losers is nearly minuscule. Or maybe you don't recall that Seahawks game. America's best team at the time got trolled on national television.

I didn't misinterpret anything you said, as written in the original post. You claimed that Brees would not have had as high an impact in another system, and I claimed he would have. As for your current claim that the Saints will go back to suckage, that's suspect too. There are many other non-suspended pieces of the team that can ball, and there's no reason to believe this current front office won't continue to be draft and FA gurus. Drew Brees didn't get to where he is without a 7th round Colston or the miracles Graham pulled from his ass. Any good QB could have used them. It just happened to be Brees. With our recent status as an elite team, attracting talent is easier than ever.

The Brees era will end, fairly soon, but the Saints have done something most teams wish for - create a routinely winning machine and a damn-near genius FO that will bring in quality talent for years to come.
 
2012-07-16 09:55:48 AM  

dickfreckle: //not it's haters, haters everywhere


You realize that saying your QB isn't the best in the league isn't "hating," right? I miss the days when you'd be happy to have the second-best QB in the league and not consider it an insult that a guy who has accomplished everything of significance that your QB has at a younger age might be considered a better option if you had the opportunity to choose between the two.

dickfreckle: People who overcome career-ending injuries and 100% naysaying in the press but go on to almost perennial playoff berths, breaking one of the NFL's most prestigious records, and having a farking SB ring - well, they've earned the props.


Sort of like the guy who dropped to No. 23 in the draft because he wasn't supposed to have that strong an arm, was ignored behind Favre for years, was expected to do nothing after having a little bit of success but getting injured every time he was on the field, including breaking his foot, was criticized for not making it to the playoffs in his first year, then wound up actually being a perennial playoff player, setting the NFL record for best passer rating, and having a farking SB ring?
 
2012-07-16 01:54:52 PM  

IAmRight: Sort of like the guy who dropped to No. 23 in the draft because he wasn't supposed to have that strong an arm, was ignored behind Favre for years, was expected to do nothing after having a little bit of success but getting injured every time he was on the field, including breaking his foot, was criticized for not making it to the playoffs in his first year, then wound up actually being a perennial playoff player, setting the NFL record for best passer rating, and having a farking SB ring?


Let's slow down on Rodgers as the scrappy underdog. He was going #1 if SF wanted him. "Was expected to do nothing after getting injured," really? That's some awesome chiba you must be smoking. ignored behind Favre? There wasn't gathering bad press on Favre for hanging on in GB and not giving Rodgers a shot?

You know, it's funny you made that "I miss the days" comment, because I miss the days when everybody wasn't a scrappy underdog fighting against the odds and nobody believed in them and yada yada. Here's one draft scouting report on Rodgers, and aside from being noted for having above average arm strength, the only criticism I can find is that he's "a bit mechanical in his throws." Which is funny, as he's RoboQB. You know what's not an insult? Having talent, being recognized for that talent, and delivering on that talent. Just because Brees was a second round pick who was too short to make it in the NFL and didn't have the arm strength to succeed doesn't mean it has to be insisted that Rodgers faced just as much doubt. He didn't, pure and simple, and that's fine. It doesn't make him any less of a QB.
 
2012-07-16 05:30:25 PM  

Slow To Return: Here's your quote:

steamingpile: You can't say $60 million is guaranteed

Here's my point. The NFL *AND* the NFLPA consider the money guaranteed, so it doesn't mean jack shiat what you or I say. However, if you want to keep on shouting at those clouds, you go right on ahead.


Again, for all intents and purposes it is guaranteed but god forbid he does get injured that injury clause period means he would lose $15 million. There is a 99.9% chance he will get it all but if he is injured in any way or they decide not to pick up the rest they can release him and save a ton, I would think the only reason they may release him is if they have a really shiatty season since it wont be long before the slide starts to happen and you dont want to pay top dollar for that.

dickfreckle: I didn't misinterpret anything you said, as written in the original post. You claimed that Brees would not have had as high an impact in another system, and I claimed he would have. As for your current claim that the Saints will go back to suckage, that's suspect too. There are many other non-suspended pieces of the team that can ball, and there's no reason to believe this current front office won't continue to be draft and FA gurus. Drew Brees didn't get to where he is without a 7th round Colston or the miracles Graham pulled from his ass. Any good QB could have used them. It just happened to be Brees. With our recent status as an elite team, attracting talent is easier than ever.


I have not shiat on brees at all but for some reason you think I did, I must have missed it when did brees have this much success and lead the chargers to the super bowl after they sucked really bad for decades? My point on the saints is that nothing has changed in the FO, same owners and the mans grand daughter is still president?

I think brees is good but on other teams he would have had issues with coordinators who like to force QBs into a certain mold, usually old shiat coaches who shouldnt be coaching in the first place, like mularkey, youre welcome jacksonville.........
 
2012-07-16 05:39:09 PM  

steamingpile: My point on the saints is that nothing has changed in the FO, same owners and the mans grand daughter is still president?


You have this picture of the control structure in New Orleans that doesn't exist. Tom and Rita are not like friggin' Al Davis, dude. Loomis handles business, and he's one of the best in the business.
 
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