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2012-07-13 04:12:33 PM  

Slow To Return: IAmRight: I mean, if Rodgers got to play all his games in a dome, he'd have like a 140 passer rating and 60 TDs a year.

Like Matty Hype and Curtis Painter, amirite?


I'm basing this off of Rodgers' performance over his career in domes, not "QBs in domes are good."

Indoors, 2011: 3 games, 1048 yards, 70% completions, 7 TD, 0 INT
Indoors, 2010: 5 games, 1321 yards, 72% completions, 11 TD, 1 INT
Indoors, 2009: 5 games, 1659 yards, 71% completions, 12 TD, 2 INT

Nah, totally unreasonable to think he would tear sh*t up even further if he played indoors with his current team more often. The team might not win as much, like the Saints don't, because the defense kinda sucks, but he'd put up juggernautier numbers than he already does.
 
2012-07-13 04:13:26 PM  
WTF?!?!? Everything is suddenly in old farker format.
 
2012-07-13 04:13:34 PM  

Slow To Return: seumasokelly: You're right, Curtis Painter and Aaron Rodgers are basically the same guy.

Actually, the clearly tongue-in-cheek point is more that playing in a dome doesn't automatically make you a great quarterback.


No, but playing in a dome can inflate your stats, especially when you're already a great QB.
 
2012-07-13 04:13:40 PM  

robsul82: Yeah, too bad he had to play at home and the team had to flame out like that last year.


If anyone wanted to hold on to the goddamn ball...it's like the ball was Marshawn Lynch out there and the offense was the Saints' defense in 2010. =)
 
2012-07-13 04:13:55 PM  
Now I REALLY don't like this, ewwwwwwwww.
 
2012-07-13 04:14:40 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: Yeah, too bad he had to play at home and the team had to flame out like that last year.

If anyone wanted to hold on to the goddamn ball...it's like the ball was Marshawn Lynch out there and the offense was the Saints' defense in 2010. =)


Rodgers wasn't 100% sharp either, come now. It was funny watching the drops, though, heh.
 
2012-07-13 04:15:21 PM  
Excuse me, I'm not an old person, I don't need my Fark to look like my grandma's telephone keypad.
 
2012-07-13 04:15:27 PM  
I mean, even the refs tried to help out the Packers on that one Driver (or was it Jennings) fumble that was reversed. And Cobb was down on his, but the Giants recovered that sh*t, too. By my count there were SEVEN fumbles in that game, six by Green Bay, all of which were recovered by the Giants. I mean, WTF.
 
2012-07-13 04:15:38 PM  

digistil: WTF?!?!? Everything is suddenly in old farker format.


Think they just tested the new format.

DREW, lower the farking font, jebus farking christ. At actual size, the normal text was over twice the size.
 
2012-07-13 04:16:40 PM  

IAmRight: Why would I be happy that the rest of the team is going to likely suffer in quality? I hope he accepts lower pay a la Brady but that the organization actually tries to put the best possible team on the field instead of trading until, in 2153, they're going to have every pick in the NFL draft.


Not trying to be snarky, but do you really think that's going to happen? Honest question. I haven't really been following the Packers (that SB loss still stings, lol), but they seem to be a pretty well-managed team. I might just be basing that on the farkload of talent they have on the roster right now, but I also get the impression that the front office is generally on the right track. *shrugs* Again, I'm probably talking out of my ass here, lol, but I'm just curious as to what your thoughts are. :)
 
2012-07-13 04:17:06 PM  

robsul82: Rodgers wasn't 100% sharp either, come now. It was funny watching the drops, though, heh.


I was more talking about the fumbles than the dropped passes. *shakes fist at JerMichael Finley.*

Rodgers lost one of those himself, though, after not losing one all season. Kuhn, who hadn't lost one in his career, lost one. Just about the worst conceivable game they could play, especially when you consider giving up a TD on a Hail Mary to end the first half.
 
2012-07-13 04:18:23 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: Rodgers wasn't 100% sharp either, come now. It was funny watching the drops, though, heh.

I was more talking about the fumbles than the dropped passes. *shakes fist at JerMichael Finley.*

Rodgers lost one of those himself, though, after not losing one all season. Kuhn, who hadn't lost one in his career, lost one. Just about the worst conceivable game they could play, especially when you consider giving up a TD on a Hail Mary to end the first half.


I can only imagine how much joy I would've felt watching that had the defense not collapsed those last 97 seconds in Candlestick.
 
2012-07-13 04:19:10 PM  

becksellent: Not trying to be snarky, but do you really think that's going to happen?


I think he might take less than he could make, but I really have no idea. Not like I know the guy, I'm just invested in him since I saw him play in person in college and he was awesome and since the day he was drafted I said he was going to be great and for once it actually worked out that way. Makes me look better for being in threads during the Favre "will he stay or won't he" threads and saying GTFO Favre, you're in Rodgers' way and he's a better QB than you.
 
2012-07-13 04:20:06 PM  

robsul82: had the defense not collapsed those last 97 seconds in Candlestick.


Your defense gave up 36 points to an Alex Smith-led team. It was more than just the last 97 seconds. More like the entire season.
 
2012-07-13 04:20:25 PM  

robsul82: I can only imagine how much joy I would've felt watching that had the defense not collapsed those last 97 seconds in Candlestick.


At least we had the joy of the pure what-the-f*ckery of TEBOOOOWWWWWWW to fall back on.

/Eli Manning has as many rings as Rodgers and Brees combined. I has a sad now.
 
2012-07-13 04:21:16 PM  

Slow To Return: As fans of the NFL, and as fans of great players and not just laundry, we should be able to appreciate and enjoy both Rodgers and Brees.


Also, this. They've both beaten my team, and while that pisses me off, lol, I still think from an objective viewpoint they are both excellent QBs who are fun to watch.

/FWIW, I feel the same way about Tom Brady.
//*prepares for onslaught of rotten produce* :P
 
2012-07-13 04:22:19 PM  
I mean, it was still a happy occasion, pulling for the underdog, Giants being the local team and all that, but it was still kind of a biatch, seeing that giant roadblock fall anyway.
 
2012-07-13 04:22:36 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: had the defense not collapsed those last 97 seconds in Candlestick.

Your defense gave up 36 points to an Alex Smith-led team. It was more than just the last 97 seconds. More like the entire season.


Kind of a trend, huh?
 
2012-07-13 04:23:23 PM  

becksellent: Slow To Return: As fans of the NFL, and as fans of great players and not just laundry, we should be able to appreciate and enjoy both Rodgers and Brees.

Also, this. They've both beaten my team, and while that pisses me off, lol, I still think from an objective viewpoint they are both excellent QBs who are fun to watch.

/FWIW, I feel the same way about Tom Brady.
//*prepares for onslaught of rotten produce* :P


Agreed.
 
2012-07-13 04:23:56 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: had the defense not collapsed those last 97 seconds in Candlestick.

Your defense gave up 36 points to an Alex Smith-led team. It was more than just the last 97 seconds. More like the entire season.


Yeah yeah yeah, I know. It's a lot more pleasing to the mind to just focus on "if only the defense held up there, if only Jimmy Graham kneed it at the 1," etc. It's silly hypotheticals, but Goddamn was that frustrating, lol.
 
2012-07-13 04:24:16 PM  

IAmRight: I mean, even the refs tried to help out the Packers on that one Driver (or was it Jennings) fumble that was reversed.


It didn't have anything to do with the refs trying to help GB get back in the game, that's just how games get officiated at Lambeau. I'm pretty sure the Packers haven't had a holding called against them at Lambeau since 1954. It's honestly one of the most incredible phenomenons in sports. When your team plays at GB, it truly is 17 vs 11 out there, on every play.
 
2012-07-13 04:28:08 PM  

robsul82: Yeah yeah yeah, I know. It's a lot more pleasing to the mind to just focus on "if only the defense held up there, if only Jimmy Graham kneed it at the 1," etc. It's silly hypotheticals, but Goddamn was that frustrating, lol.


Even if the defense holds there, or even if Graham kneels at the 1, and you win that game ... You still gotta bring that porous defense into the next game with you...
 
2012-07-13 04:28:55 PM  

robsul82: I can only imagine how much joy I would've felt watching that had the defense not collapsed those last 97 seconds in Candlestick.


Is there another stadium out there that has change its name/sponsors multiple times, only to eventually settle back to it's original name like Candlestick Park? I actually completely forgot they changed it back.
 
2012-07-13 04:32:40 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: Yeah yeah yeah, I know. It's a lot more pleasing to the mind to just focus on "if only the defense held up there, if only Jimmy Graham kneed it at the 1," etc. It's silly hypotheticals, but Goddamn was that frustrating, lol.

Even if the defense holds there, or even if Graham kneels at the 1, and you win that game ... You still gotta bring that porous defense into the next game with you...


I know what you're saying, but it would've been at home, where they won every game by an average of 20 points IIRC, and the same D they had when they tore the G-Men a new asshole in Week 12, lol. Then it's the Pats, and it's shiatty D against shiatty D, the Pats O (dynamic as Brady is) trying to keep up with the Saints O, and keep in mind Gronk was useless that game. So yeah. Farking Niners, lol.
 
2012-07-13 04:33:20 PM  
Is there another stadium out there that has change its name/sponsors multiple times, only to eventually settle back to it's original name like Candlestick Park? I actually completely forgot they changed it back.

Prince?
 
2012-07-13 04:39:49 PM  

digistil: /And yes, #1, Rodgers isn't there yet.


You're a dumbass.

digistil: //Brees has Tebow leadership/charisma. Rodgers isn't even close.


You're an even BIGGER dumbass.

digistil: ///One of the few times Tebow will be mentioned in the same sentence with either .


Okay, you trolled me.
 
2012-07-13 04:43:21 PM  

robsul82: Ability and talent?


Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in the league. Bar none.

One of the top three strongest arms in the league, the most accurate arm, the least turnover prone, AND the most mobile starting QB in the NFL not named Vick or Newton.

So, yeah... I'll take Rodgers.
 
2012-07-13 04:46:59 PM  

puffy999: robsul82: Ability and talent?

So yeah...I'll take Rodgers.


I'll take Brees. More accurate, more talented to my eye.
 
2012-07-13 04:49:51 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Once you figure out how to beat the system, it's not that hard to beat Rodgers (see: Eli Manning).


Eli Manning beat "the system?" I seem to remember the Packers looking listless on both sides of the ball, because they essentially hadn't played the full team for three weeks (which happens EVERY YEAR to some team, usually the Colts).

Do you even REMEMBER that game, by chance? The Giants did well on offense (no surprise whatsoever considering the Packers pass defense was not good last season), but the Packers would have still been "in" the game if they'd remembered that one part of moving the ball on offense requires that you CATCH the pass that hits you in the hands. Rodgers made, what, a couple bad throws in that game (one of which was to a guy who was wide open)?

And, REALLY, Rodgers is a "system" quarterback (noting the above comments about his arm strength and accuracy... and noting that it's not just my opinion, but the general consensus of so-called NFL experts)? Might as well name every guy a system quarterback, particularly Brees.
 
2012-07-13 04:58:28 PM  

robsul82: Rodgers wasn't 100% sharp either, come now.


Not as good as normal, but his game was better than plenty of guys (Brady in the SB) had in the playoffs this year. He made good throws most of the night (and some great ones), didn't make too many mistakes. If he had been playing for the Giants that night, who happen to catch everything under the sun/stars when it's necessary, he'd have been remembered more favorably.

I'm going to reiterate for next year to any NFL coach who may be reading this: don't rest ANY non-aging/broken on your team late in the season if you're going to go 14-2 or 15-1. It doesn't freaking work, NFL teams. And if you ARE going to do it, rest everybody in week 12 or 13...
Hell it's been killing a lot of teams since the mid-90s... IIRC, could be wrong, but I think the Broncos team that lost to the Jaguars at home was resting on their laurels after starting that season on a tear.
 
2012-07-13 05:00:37 PM  

puffy999: Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in the league. Bar none.


I'd say you're drunk, but as a Packer fan that'd be stating the obvious.
 
2012-07-13 05:01:39 PM  

IAmRight: At least we had the joy of the pure what-the-f*ckery of TEBOOOOWWWWWWW to fall back on


Amazing what a leader can do.
 
2012-07-13 05:07:53 PM  

robsul82: I'll take Brees. More accurate, more talented to my eye.


I will point out that my accuracy comment has more to do with the individual and not the system or the raw stats. You may disagree (which is fine), but if you asked me who could win an accuracy skills contest between Brees and Rodgers, I think Rodgers wins every level beyond 20 yards (and it's a push below that).

With what they do on the field and what they expect of their receivers (noting that they do play in systems that essentially use different methods to achieve the same result), I can see how neither answer is wrong.
Until you look at interceptions ;)
 
2012-07-13 05:10:46 PM  

puffy999: don't rest ANY non-aging/broken on your team late in the season if you're going to go 14-2 or 15-1. It doesn't freaking work, NFL teams. And if you ARE going to do it, rest everybody in week 12 or 13...


I don't think the rest made everyone fumble.

/maybe it had an effect on no one recovering any of the fumbles. Seriously, seven in a row (some of which weren't actual fumbles, but the players didn't know, or were fumbles, but were overturned) recovered by the Giants.
 
2012-07-13 05:12:32 PM  

digistil: I'd say you're drunk, but as a Packer fan that'd be stating the obvious.


You just hate Rodgers 'cause he's beautiful.

/wait, what?
 
2012-07-13 05:13:05 PM  

Slow To Return: coolio mack: I know negotiations take a long time and typically go to the deadline, but this still seemed like an unnecessary PR hit the Saints put themselves through here. After Peyton signed his deal paying him 19.2m a year after being out of football with a serious neck injury, you figure getting to 20m with Brees wouldn't be such a tough task. I'm sure there were lots of considerations with guaranteed money and when that was to be paid, but a year and a half is a long negotiation.

I was baffled as to why it was so drawn out, but now that I see the guaranteed number, I can understand why. Holy crap that's a lot.


The problem is only 40 is guaranteed and on top of that they were underpaying him for a few years, it could be 55 guaranteed and probably will be but if he does get hurt they can release him at the end of the season and not owe him another dime after the 40 million.
 
2012-07-13 05:14:25 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: Yeah yeah yeah, I know. It's a lot more pleasing to the mind to just focus on "if only the defense held up there, if only Jimmy Graham kneed it at the 1," etc. It's silly hypotheticals, but Goddamn was that frustrating, lol.

Even if the defense holds there, or even if Graham kneels at the 1, and you win that game ... You still gotta bring that porous defense into the next game with you...


At home, against a team that the Saints throttled just under two months prior. Yes, the Giants were playing better in January than they were in November, but you have to like the Saints' chances in that theoretical NFC championship matchup, especially considering that the Saints were undefeated at home last year.

But, kind of pointless to dwell on it, now.
 
2012-07-13 05:15:38 PM  

Slow To Return: IAmRight: Slow To Return: Let Rodgers completely destroy his shoulder then get back to me.

So in order to prove he's a better player, he should go get injured. This makes sense.

Lighten up, Francis. It's a joke.

As fans of the NFL, and as fans of great players and not just laundry, we should be able to appreciate and enjoy both Rodgers and Brees.


You can't argue with him, he's a pac 10 fan and will put every pac 10 player above any other player.
 
2012-07-13 05:16:13 PM  

Killer Cars: digistil: I'd say you're drunk, but as a Packer fan that'd be stating the obvious.

You just hate Rodgers 'cause he's beautiful.

/wait, what?


Haha. Well, he is, but Brees is farking adorable, so I'd say they're pretty evenly matched in that category. :P

/although I may have to look at some more pictures of both to be sure. ;)
 
2012-07-13 05:19:41 PM  

digistil: puffy999: Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in the league. Bar none.

I'd say you're drunk, but as a Packer fan that'd be stating the obvious.


I bring meat, not derp. If you're wrong, at least try to give a reason why. Attempt to argue that Brees has a better arm, is more mobile, more composed... then remember that Drew Brees has averaged more than 15 interceptions in a 16-game season over the course of his career (more in N'Awlans), and Rodgers hasn't thrown more than 13 in any single season.

I'm still trying to understand how Brees is a better leader than Rodgers. They both have the same pedigree (the only one that matters), and Rodgers was just as good in his respective SB (and had to lead the team on an important 4th quarter touchdown drive) against a better defensive team. I'm more than willing to give that category a push. If being the QB of New Orleans is a reason for that, we should go ahead and declare that the league's best quarterback is Matt Moore for being able to win a couple games for the dysfunctional implosion known as the Dolphins.
 
2012-07-13 05:26:47 PM  

IAmRight: I don't think the rest made everyone fumble.


Though you can practice the game, you can't simulate the game. Fumbles can happen because players are not quite adjusted to the speed/strength of an NFL playoff game if they've basically spent the last couple weeks going through the motions in practice. And even though the guys on the field were trying against the Lions (and won the game obviously), when you rest some of your core players I can see it having a negative impact on morale and on preparedness. Sloppy play is all too often the result of poor preparation or not keeping one's head focused, particularly when the sloppiness may exist in a bubble or against a lesser team (I think the Packers would've lost to any other team in the playoffs based on how they looked in that game).

To be fair, the Packers had enough defensive holes to exploit so that they probably weren't going to make another run, and the touchdown before halftime looked like it killed the team. Still no reason to not hold onto the football unless Ray Lewis is knocking your ass unconscious (or murdering you).
 
2012-07-13 05:29:42 PM  
Here's my concern with these contracts that are so heavily front-loaded and that is that after the big payday in the first year or two, then the player will want more money and want to "renegotiate" his deal for the last 3 years or so.

We've seen this with Derrell Revis who's done it twice now. Hainsworth was a similar mentalitiy in that he didn't care to try after getting his initial payday.

Are we going to hear Brees and his agent complain in 2 years that he's not getting what he deserves and work out another big front-loaded deal?
 
2012-07-13 05:32:53 PM  

puffy999: digistil: puffy999: Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in the league. Bar none.

I'd say you're drunk, but as a Packer fan that'd be stating the obvious.

I bring meat, not derp. If you're wrong, at least try to give a reason why. Attempt to argue that Brees has a better arm, is more mobile, more composed... then remember that Drew Brees has averaged more than 15 interceptions in a 16-game season over the course of his career (more in N'Awlans), and Rodgers hasn't thrown more than 13 in any single season.

I'm still trying to understand how Brees is a better leader than Rodgers. They both have the same pedigree (the only one that matters), and Rodgers was just as good in his respective SB (and had to lead the team on an important 4th quarter touchdown drive) against a better defensive team. I'm more than willing to give that category a push. If being the QB of New Orleans is a reason for that, we should go ahead and declare that the league's best quarterback is Matt Moore for being able to win a couple games for the dysfunctional implosion known as the Dolphins.


Rodgers has had an insane All-Star team that would make Tom Brady look like every single HF QB combined. I'm not saying Rodgers is bad... he's just not anywhere near as good as his disciples hope... so far anyway.

I will give you that he's the best QB in the toughest division in the NFL.
 
2012-07-13 05:49:25 PM  

digistil: puffy999: digistil: puffy999: Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in the league. Bar none.

I'd say you're drunk, but as a Packer fan that'd be stating the obvious.

I bring meat, not derp. If you're wrong, at least try to give a reason why. Attempt to argue that Brees has a better arm, is more mobile, more composed... then remember that Drew Brees has averaged more than 15 interceptions in a 16-game season over the course of his career (more in N'Awlans), and Rodgers hasn't thrown more than 13 in any single season.

I'm still trying to understand how Brees is a better leader than Rodgers. They both have the same pedigree (the only one that matters), and Rodgers was just as good in his respective SB (and had to lead the team on an important 4th quarter touchdown drive) against a better defensive team. I'm more than willing to give that category a push. If being the QB of New Orleans is a reason for that, we should go ahead and declare that the league's best quarterback is Matt Moore for being able to win a couple games for the dysfunctional implosion known as the Dolphins.

Rodgers has had an insane All-Star team that would make Tom Brady look like every single HF QB combined. I'm not saying Rodgers is bad... he's just not anywhere near as good as his disciples hope... so far anyway.

I will give you that he's the best QB in the toughest division in the NFL.


Sorry only Brees has disciples who preach about his leadership and worship the ground he throws an interception a game on.
 
2012-07-13 06:04:57 PM  
As a lifelong Cowboy fan, as a kid, I always argued that Staubach was a better QB than Bradshaw. To this day, I still feel I was right!

Secretly though, I would have traded Roger's two rings for Terry's four in a heartbeat.

Being able to say your guy is the best is nice and all, but nothing beats a Lombardi trophy. Nothing.
 
2012-07-13 06:21:33 PM  
It's amazing what the saint were able to do with the cap numbers, for the deal. I would probably rank him as the best QB currently. Rogers rushs to much, and that going to hurt him long term and cause him to miss games. Brady is unfortunately in his mid 30's.

However I do have questions about Brees leadership after this offseason, the way he has handled the bounty sandal and his contract, has not been what you expect to see out of a great leader.
 
2012-07-13 06:27:35 PM  

digistil: cameroncrazy1984: digistil: For the #1 QB in the league?

lol

Honest question, who would you rather have?


Someone with one more ring and two more Super Bowl appearances than Drew Brees. Of course, the Steelers already have him so I don't have to wish for it.

He may not be number one statistically but he's top five and he gets results.
 
2012-07-13 06:32:31 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Someone with one more ring and two more Super Bowl appearances than Drew Brees. Of course, the Steelers already have him so I don't have to wish for it.


Seriously...what would the Steelers have done in 2006 if they hadn't been carried the entire year by Ben and the offense, especially in the Super Bowl when he put up that 22 QB rating?
 
2012-07-13 07:48:02 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: digistil: cameroncrazy1984: digistil: For the #1 QB in the league?

lol

Honest question, who would you rather have?

Someone with one more ring and two more Super Bowl appearances than Drew Brees. Of course, the Steelers already have him so I don't have to wish for it.

He may not be number one statistically but he's top five and he gets results.


No, even as a Steeler homer I can't put Ben above Brees.

Ben makes the top 5 I think, but doesn't crack the top 3 of Rodgers, Brady and Brees. I think he fits right in that next category with Eli and an aging recovering from neck surgery Peyton. I'd prolly toss Rivers in that tier. Personally I'd put Stafford in there too but he until he does it for a few years I could see putting him in the next lower tier.
 
2012-07-13 08:26:12 PM  
Once a bum, always a bum... And it couldn't happen to a finer team.
 
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