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2012-07-14 01:05:10 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.


Please God, no. All the friggen troops had to do was GET ON THE ROOFS and have ammo delivered by helicopter and they could calmly kill zombies until hell froze over. But noooo....even if the brass were ALL idiots, someone woul dhave come up with this in the battle. I liked the book but that was one of the stupidest battle scenes even put on paper.
 
2012-07-14 01:12:06 PM

Choestoe: Please God, no. All the friggen troops had to do was GET ON THE ROOFS and have ammo delivered by helicopter and they could calmly kill zombies until hell froze over. But noooo....even if the brass were ALL idiots, someone woul dhave come up with this in the battle. I liked the book but that was one of the stupidest battle scenes even put on paper.


You have to remember though that the brass was putting this all on for show. Not only did they not really think there was a threat, they were purposely busting out all the heavy equipment and 'Shock and Awe' stuff partly because it's what they were trained to do and partly because it made for good TV. Heck, one of the characters that's recapping the battle in the book even states exactly what you said...how dumb it was they weren't just set on the rooftops and instead were set to digging trenches, etc.

Also, like almost every zombie book/movie/comic the thing takes place in a world where there is no pre-existing knowledge (via books/movies/comics) on how to deal with zombies.
 
2012-07-14 04:40:38 PM

DjangoStonereaver: bill4935: I still can't understand the love for this book.

I didn't know ZeroCorpse had an alt.

/Kidding; obviously you're not ZeroCorpse
//Shocked he hasn't commented before now
///Loved the book, the movie looks worse than trash.


Ask and ye shall receive.

You all know my opinion: WWZ is an awful survival-porn book that takes a dump on the zombie genre. Kirkman's The Walking Dead is a far superior tale, as was Arrow/Caliber Comics' Dead World, and even though it's about vampires I'd say Matheson's I Am Legend is the how-to textbook on zombie tales. WWZ made the zombie genre accessible to the guys who read gun magazines and Maxim by dumbing it down, removing the real human elements, and turning the zombies into an invading force that could be battled and defeated in the name of Real Survivor Skillz. It's "Zombies For Tucker Max Fans".

The only thing I liked about WWZ was Mark Hamill's acting in the audio book.

The book, and the subsequent rush of survival porn enthusiasts who declared it the best thing ever, effectively ruined zombies for me... And I've been called ZeroCorpse since the early 80s for a reason. It is to zombies as Twilight is to vampires.

However, to each his own. If you enjoy it, then far be it from me to trod upon your daisy garden. What you like may not be to my liking, but you have every right to like it.

That said, I would like to thank you for spelling my name correctly, with the proper capitalization. I honestly appreciate it. Others could learn from your manners (i.e., if you're going to call me out or insult me, at least spell my name right.)

We do agree on one thing, though: The movie's going to be a mess. You can't turn what is essentially a bad documentary about surviving a zombie outbreak into a compelling movie. The book might be interesting as a mockumentary series if handled 100% seriously and given a sort of PBS vibe, but as an action movie it's a stupid idea that is destined to fail.

And having Brad Pitt as its major champion didn't help any. He's a good actor, but he's not very deep, subtle, or clever as far as I've ever seen. He's more style than substance in just about everything he does.
 
2012-07-14 04:52:33 PM
I read the book and was dismayed by the lack of basic, basic research done. There's a lot of problems with the effects of various weapons and how they didn't affect zombies or kill them (most of these could have been handwaved with a simple "zombies aren't affected by shock or nerve trauma or bloodloss", but I didn't see that mentioned) -- but mostly how all these different voices from cultures around the world used American cultural references, phrasing, allusions, etc.

I get that it's a different take on zombie apocalypse and it has some interesting set pieces, but it was not written skillfully. The interview format meant the author didn't worry about there being a plot.

/Guess I'll go read The Road.
 
2012-07-14 05:05:46 PM

SmokeMonkey: The All-Powerful Atheismo: madgonad: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.

Most faithful to the source: The Last Man on Earth

Vincent Price is as awesome as usual, but as usual he is the best thing in a cheap piece of crap. Though the source is captured faithfully, it is also amateurish. The movie looks like it was shot in a weekend for $800 with the director's family filling every role but Price's. It's farking boring, but if that script was tightened a bit and shot by professionals it could be excellent and meaningful. It's still better than the Heston and Smith versions though, because it makes sense.


Total agreement. If they remade The Last Man On Earth instead of making that Will Smith version, I'd have been happy.

No version of I Am Legend is good unless they have Ben Cortman looking like an undead Oliver Hardy. That's a major plot point. The other point, which they all seem to fail at understanding, is that Neville has to die at the end, and he has to die realizing that he is the monster now, and that with his death humankind is extinct. That's kind of the whole point to the novella.

Will Smith's version pissed me off the most by having a "colony of survivors" at the end. Seriously? What a crock of shiat that was.
 
2012-07-14 05:09:37 PM

bill4935: I read the book and was dismayed by the lack of basic, basic research done. There's a lot of problems with the effects of various weapons and how they didn't affect zombies or kill them (most of these could have been handwaved with a simple "zombies aren't affected by shock or nerve trauma or bloodloss", but I didn't see that mentioned) -- but mostly how all these different voices from cultures around the world used American cultural references, phrasing, allusions, etc.

I get that it's a different take on zombie apocalypse and it has some interesting set pieces, but it was not written skillfully. The interview format meant the author didn't worry about there being a plot.


Yes, there's that, too. I'm convinced the book exists only because of nepotism. It's shoddy work from a survivalist fan's point of view (poor research) and it's shoddy work from a zombie fan's point of view (completely abandons the concept of zombies being a background 'force of nature' threat and turns them into a generic enemy army that can be defeated, while failing to focus on the human interactions aside from trite anecdotes told after the fact.)

But survival porn fans LOVE it. Younger zombie fans (the ones who think zombie stories are all about shootin' zombies) love it, too.

So I can't win this one. I accept that people wanted a zombie story that wasn't too cerebral, and Max Brooks delivered in spades.
 
2012-07-14 05:53:31 PM

enderthexenocide: i am legend was pretty bad though. will smith gave a great performance, but the movie was just pointless.


The European edition is better. Although the Will Smith character lives at the end, the hemocytes become the new norm and Will Smith becomes the monster (the hemocytes start looking around the basement lab, see the poloroids of previous deceased patients of the good doctor hanging on the wall, and start looking a little panicky), and the intent of the source material is preserved.

Sgt Otter: Hell, the training tactics in the movie are insane. They put a live-fire range with no backstops in the middle of the goddamn base, with observers casually hanging out in unprotected towers right in the middle of the range.


Rat bastard director knew exactly what he was doing. Same way with the movie Showgirls. He loves to tick people off for shiats and grins.

Shrugging Atlas: I think it's because it's fairly unique in the whole zombie genre. Most books/movies just focus on the aftermath, and then it typically ends up with everyone farked.


Robinson Crusoe has been around for 300 years and it's a messed up book.
 
2012-07-14 06:52:26 PM

ZeroCorpse: However, to each his own. If you enjoy it, then far be it from me to trod upon your daisy garden. What you like may not be to my liking, but you have every right to like it.


Fair enough and in the spirit of full disclosure I tend to find zombie horror tedious, repetetive and
unoriginal in the extreme, so the fact that WWZ tickled my fancy makes me rather protective of it.

I'm much more an HP Lovecraft/Cthulhu Mythos/cosmic horror fan.

That said, I would like to thank you for spelling my name correctly, with the proper capitalization. I honestly appreciate it. Others could learn from your manners (i.e., if you're going to call me out or insult me, at least spell my name right.)

I may disagree with your sentiments on WWZ, but I have always found your statements on it very
cogent and well reasoned.

Even if they are wrong.... ;-)

We do agree on one thing, though: The movie's going to be a mess. You can't turn what is essentially a bad documentary about surviving a zombie outbreak into a compelling movie. The book might be interesting as a mockumentary series if handled 100% seriously and given a sort of PBS vibe, but as an action movie it's a stupid idea that is destined to fail.

And having Brad Pit ...


Prior to this, I'd always thought that Pitt was slightly above doing the 'star thing', since he tends to take
roles that do challenge him as a pretty boy actor (KALIFORNIA, 12 MONKEYS, SNATCH). I guess
this only proves he's human after all.
 
2012-07-14 10:50:15 PM

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


This travesty has as much to do with the source material as 'The Lawnmower Man' or 'The Hunger Games'...
 
2012-07-15 12:00:57 AM

Gleeman: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

This travesty has as much to do with the source material as 'The Lawnmower Man' or 'The Hunger Games'...


You guys ever see the first Sherlock Holmes movie?

He owns a detective agency. A big office. He has secretaries and a telephone operator. Watson is his chauffeur.

/I couldn't watch anymore than that.
 
2012-07-16 11:14:58 AM

fusillade762: madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Is that the one with Jolene Blalock where they find religion?


That was Marauder. Which had a budget of a 7-11. Could have been a good film.
 
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