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2012-07-13 02:02:11 PM
Good. The entire project has FAIL written all over it.

/Should've been a series
 
2012-07-13 02:48:02 PM
Yep. Should have been one episode per chapter on TV instead of a movie. They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Morons.
 
2012-07-13 04:14:47 PM
"We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."
 
2012-07-13 05:55:44 PM

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


Did somebody just say I, Robot?
 
2012-07-13 05:57:00 PM

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


Pretty much.

Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.

Apocalypse Now and Bladerunner are classic films and no one balks at how little they resemble the source. Why? Because the title doesn't suggest we should compare the two.
 
2012-07-13 05:57:43 PM

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?


Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.
 
2012-07-13 05:59:02 PM

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?


Or a more recent example:

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter

The movie bastardized the book. It would've been ok had I not read the book beforehand and know everything they chopped up/intentionally left out
 
2012-07-13 06:05:33 PM

Lando Lincoln: Yep. Should have been one episode per chapter on TV instead of a movie. They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Morons.


That wouldn't work out either. Most of the segments couldn't fill a half-hour slot and many of them are relatively flat without character development. While the downed pilot, patient zero, or the blind man in Tokyo are miniature stand-alone stories, most of the segments are very discrete instances to provide depth. Camping the Canada, decimations in Russia, floating around in the Pacific... if somebody tuned in and watched one of those they would never watch another episode again.

Now a mini-series I could go with. 240 minutes of content could cover almost all of the bases. However, do you stick with the books narration - an journalist trying to put it all together after the fact? It could work. Kind of like the break-aways in The Princess Bride. Obviously we now know that they are going to have the 'writer' actually live through every scene. Not sure how that will work since many of the subplots depend on character being alone at the time of the action.

I'll reserve judgement until I see it.
 
2012-07-13 06:06:54 PM
Thought this project had been killed off....
 
2012-07-13 06:07:31 PM

scottydoesntknow: Good. The entire project has FAIL written all over it.

/Should've been a series




Done in one.
 
2012-07-13 06:07:34 PM

Apos: Thought this project had been killed off....



Nope.....it wasn't shot in the head.
 
2012-07-13 06:08:56 PM

sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.


I, Robot and Starship Troopers were good movies though. WW Z looks like it will be a massive failure.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:02 PM

The_Sponge: Apos: Thought this project had been killed off....


Nope.....it wasn't shot in the head.


How unfortunate for everyone.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:30 PM
Good start. Now can we be lucky enough to have the entire farking thing cancelled before we have another I Am Legend on hour hands?
 
2012-07-13 06:09:41 PM

Lord_Dubu: Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.


Nope. Because THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
 
2012-07-13 06:10:17 PM

madgonad: Now a mini-series I could go with. 240 minutes of content could cover almost all of the bases. However, do you stick with the books narration - an journalist trying to put it all together after the fact? It could work. Kind of like the break-aways in The Princess Bride. Obviously we now know that they are going to have the 'writer' actually live through every scene. Not sure how that will work since many of the subplots depend on character being alone at the time of the action.


That'd be the best way to go about it. It'd give context to the jump cuts (since there would be very few running characters). Not all the characters would have to 'live', as some of them (like the ones in Pakistan or China where there's a whole lot of getting wiped out) could be described as events rather than needing some faceless grunt to be doing the telling. The Decimation would work best that way, I think. Viewed from the perspective of the priest guy, rather than narrated by the priest.
 
2012-07-13 06:10:43 PM

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?


No hate for I Am Legend?
 
2012-07-13 06:12:07 PM

sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.


The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.
 
2012-07-13 06:15:44 PM
How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.
 
2012-07-13 06:16:11 PM
Damn, thought Mark Hamil should have been in it.


If you didn't know, the audio book is incredible and has some damn fine voice acting including hamil, henry rollins, and john tutorro. great for road trips at night.
 
2012-07-13 06:16:47 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?


It was the first one that popped into my mind (probably because I, Robot was one of my favorite books as a teenager)
 
2012-07-13 06:19:27 PM

Jumpin Jbot: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

It was the first one that popped into my mind (probably because I, Robot was one of my favorite books as a teenager)


How odd....that's exactly why I came up with I Am Legend.....
 
2012-07-13 06:19:47 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?


I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.
 
2012-07-13 06:19:55 PM
Hooray! Now change the title so this abomination has no reference to the book at all.
 
2012-07-13 06:23:34 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.


I forgot all about that part. I'm going to go reread it now.

Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?


Will Smith went and Will Smithed it up. Can you imagine if he played Neo in The Matrix?

Aw, hell naw!
 
2012-07-13 06:32:24 PM
This is WWZ in name only... You got running zombies, a single storyline... Terrible.

The book was the last good zombie thing in our culture. I don't watch the Walking Dead.
 
2012-07-13 06:36:55 PM

madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


Is that the one with Jolene Blalock where they find religion?
 
2012-07-13 06:41:23 PM

madgonad: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.


Most faithful to the source: The Last Man on Earth
 
2012-07-13 06:44:01 PM
It's a shame. I always heard that JMS's original script was a great adaptation, but it was basically tossed out and the project has devolved.
 
2012-07-13 06:47:08 PM

carnifex2005:
I, Robot and Starship Troopers were good movies though.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-13 06:49:56 PM

madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


To me Starship Troopers is one of his books that is least a mess. I mean Stranger in a Strange Land is really disjointed, and all of his Lazarus Long novels are just insane.
 
2012-07-13 06:53:59 PM
Make it a mini-series and go the narrator route.

10 years later the writer is commissioned by the governing bodies of whats left of the world to collect accounts of events that took place.

All scenes are flashbacks. Game, Set, Match.

I am Legend sucked diseased donkey balls compared to its source material.
 
2012-07-13 06:55:01 PM

I don't mind so much if the movie deviates a lot from the book, like "The Shining" with Nicholson was a lot different from the book, as long as the movie is good. But The movie version of WWZ sounds like it's really gonna suck, which is too bad because the book is so good and there's so many things they can build the movie on.


I imagine the movie will be bad enough that they will eventually release it during the "dead zone" for bad movies, the month or so before the Academy Awards show. And the movie will bomb.

 
2012-07-13 06:55:51 PM
After reading this article I think the main problem is that the big names wanted to put their stamp on the material they worked on.

So, at the start, Pitt wants to make it his own, and Forster wants to make it his own. This explains the deviation from the source material. No one wants to do Brooks' WWZ, Pitt wants to do Pitt's WWZ. Then they bring in Lindelof to help out with some patch work and of course he wants to do a larger amount of work on it because how else can he put his stamp on it?

It does not sound like anyone had any interest in working with anyone else towards a common goal from day one.
 
2012-07-13 06:56:42 PM

madgonad: The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess.


I didn't like the movie very much, but for different reasons...it was entirely too hamfisted and hurdurr with the satire, like Carlos Mencia trying to riff on fascism. I just really didn't find it that entertaining, especially the incredible parade of stupid decisions that went on in the movie.

I think the suits would have been neat to do, but the lack of technical details would have made at least SOME section of the fanbase mad, since Heinlein didn't talk much about the 'standard' weapons (other than nukes/flamethrowers) other than mention that they have target-seeking properties. 5 would get you 10 that someone modeling the suits would just give them miniguns because it's 'more awesomer'.

madgonad: ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


ST2 was worse, IMO. Well, there was one redeeming scene in 2.
 
2012-07-13 07:00:14 PM

madgonad: I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.


Absolutely correct.

I've always felt I'm biased....I'm a big fan of the book. But at the same time, I fully appreciate it's really impossible to ever do a book justice when you turn it into a movie. The movie can still be good or even great, but not exactly true to the source material. So I was prepared for some 'creative license' and quite OK with that.

But Jesus farking Christ. Like you said, it missed the entire premise of the book. Forget the fact the creatures were...whatever they were...and not vampires. Forget the plot holes too numerous to list. At the end of the day what in the hell does the title have to do with anything that goes on in the movie given how they portray it.

The non-theatrical ending...while doing absolutely nothing to fix the hot mess that was the other 95% of the movie is vastly better in my opinion and at least tries to nod vaguely in the direction of the book, sort of. I guess they shiatcanned when someone floated the idea of making a sequel with Smith in it or something.

What annoys me most is the fact I think the book would not be terribly difficult to put on the big screen largely as is. Trim a few parts out, streamline the origin of the disease, and stick it in NYC since all disaster movies seemingly need to be filmed there. It's a straight forward story with the need for only a few characters, and you really don't even require much expensive CGI since the vampires are basically human looking without any absurd super powers .
 
2012-07-13 07:03:17 PM

sprawl15: like Carlos Mencia trying to riff on fascism.


That may be the best description of that movie I've ever read.
 
2012-07-13 07:23:19 PM

madgonad: Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs.


No armor and no replacement for the armor, resulting in the totally believable scenario that the military of the future consists entirely of rifle infantry with very limited air support. *rolls eyes*

There was no need for combined arms in the book because the armor fulfilled most of the roles. Take out the armor without replacing it with something results in a future military that looks like it was designed by a 10 year-old with no concept of strategy.


Shrugging Atlas: The non-theatrical ending...while doing absolutely nothing to fix the hot mess that was the other 95% of the movie is vastly better in my opinion and at least tries to nod vaguely in the direction of the book, sort of. I guess they shiatcanned when someone floated the idea of making a sequel with Smith in it or something.


You mean the non-theatrical ending where Smith's character lives, as opposed to the theatrical one where he sacrifices himself? Not sure how that translates to "let's make a sequel!" FWIW, I read they changed the ending because "test audiences" hated the ending where Smith's character didn't try to kill everything that wasn't human.
 
2012-07-13 07:29:09 PM

child_god: Can you imagine if he played Neo in The Matrix?


Are you suggesting that wouldn't have been better than Keanau?

/I would kill a busload of kitten nuns to live in the reality where Keanau's roles in The Matrix and Constantine were played by Paul Bettany.
 
2012-07-13 07:34:13 PM

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


The Jason Bourne movies did this.
 
2012-07-13 07:34:48 PM
FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.
 
2012-07-13 07:36:22 PM

talkertopc: FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.


I overheard the Stage Manager on a production I was in say to one of her crew, "We could do this whole thing so much more easily if we could just get rid of the damn actors."
 
2012-07-13 07:44:13 PM
Is it just me or does he look a lot like Russell Crowe in that photo?
 
2012-07-13 07:46:53 PM

talkertopc: FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.


Welcome to Hollywood. It's basically The Sandiest Vagina. You can grow rich, but you can never grow up.
 
2012-07-13 07:47:47 PM

Teufelaffe: You mean the non-theatrical ending where Smith's character lives, as opposed to the theatrical one where he sacrifices himself? Not sure how that translates to "let's make a sequel!" FWIW, I read they changed the ending because "test audiences" hated the ending where Smith's character didn't try to kill everything that wasn't human.


Hmm, did I think I may have mixed the two up then. I thought he offed himself in the theatrical, and escaped i the non-theatrical.

Oh well, either way they are both variations of the same level of suck.
 
2012-07-13 07:51:11 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Teufelaffe: You mean the non-theatrical ending where Smith's character lives, as opposed to the theatrical one where he sacrifices himself? Not sure how that translates to "let's make a sequel!" FWIW, I read they changed the ending because "test audiences" hated the ending where Smith's character didn't try to kill everything that wasn't human.

Hmm, did I think I may have mixed the two up then. I thought he offed himself in the theatrical, and escaped i the non-theatrical.

Oh well, either way they are both variations of the same level of suck.


Yeah, the theatrical release was Smith blowing himself and the creatures up with a grenade, with the non-theatrical ending being the one where he lets the girl go.
 
2012-07-13 07:53:52 PM
Starship Troopers was not an adaptation of the novel, it was an indictment of it.
 
2012-07-13 07:57:34 PM

Teufelaffe: madgonad: Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs.

No armor and no replacement for the armor, resulting in the totally believable scenario that the military of the future consists entirely of rifle infantry with very limited air support. *rolls eyes*

There was no need for combined arms in the book because the armor fulfilled most of the roles. Take out the armor without replacing it with something results in a future military that looks like it was designed by a 10 year-old with no concept of strategy.


That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

Shrugging Atlas: I've always felt I'm biased....I'm a big fan of the book. But at the same time, I fully appreciate it's really impossible to ever do a book justice when you turn it into a movie. The movie can still be good or even great, but not exactly true to the source material. So I was prepared for some 'creative license' and quite OK with that.


I once thought that, but there are plenty of examples of movies that improved on the book.
Examples:
John Carpenter's The Thing
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
Princess Bride
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shining
Fight Club
Jaws
There will be blood
Blade Runner
The Exorcist
Clockwork Orange

These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.
 
2012-07-13 08:02:44 PM
I want to see this movie. No apologies...I like zombie movies, and the book was great.

Although if they are completely ignoring the book and making a different movie with a different story, don't call it WWZ you money grubbers.

/I'd prolly still see it to see Pitt say "killin' Natzis...er zombies"
 
2012-07-13 08:04:24 PM

BalugaJoe: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

The Jason Bourne movies did this.


The Bourne movies were crap?
 
2012-07-13 08:08:15 PM

fusillade762: BalugaJoe: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

The Jason Bourne movies did this.

The Bourne movies were crap?


Anything that isn't a note for note recreation of the books are crap. Derp!

/ Book snobs are always pretentious twits.
 
2012-07-13 08:31:04 PM

madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.


The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.
 
2012-07-13 08:49:04 PM
The rumors are they couldn't even decide what kind of zombies to have in it. Runners or shamblers.

/If you can't decide on something that basic you probably shouldn't even bother putting it on film
 
2012-07-13 08:52:26 PM

Erik_Emune: madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.


I haven't read WWZ but most of the time in the zombie movies the military gets overrun because the government herds civilians into the bases for protection and to maintain order. Obviously somebody infected gets in and well... yeah
 
2012-07-13 08:56:57 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: madgonad: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.

Most faithful to the source: The Last Man on Earth


Vincent Price is as awesome as usual, but as usual he is the best thing in a cheap piece of crap. Though the source is captured faithfully, it is also amateurish. The movie looks like it was shot in a weekend for $800 with the director's family filling every role but Price's. It's farking boring, but if that script was tightened a bit and shot by professionals it could be excellent and meaningful. It's still better than the Heston and Smith versions though, because it makes sense.
 
2012-07-13 08:57:32 PM

fusillade762: BalugaJoe: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

The Jason Bourne movies did this.

The Bourne movies were crap?


I wouldn't say they were crap, but they would have been exponentially better if they had tased Paul Greengrass in the balls every time he suggested they use shaky cam.
 
2012-07-13 09:06:12 PM

madgonad: I once thought that, but there are plenty of examples of movies that improved on the book.
Examples:
John Carpenter's The Thing
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
Princess Bride
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shining
Fight Club
Jaws
There will be blood
Blade Runner
The Exorcist
Clockwork Orange

These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.


Oh I certainly believe a movie can improve on the book (or other source material for that matter). I was just trying to make the point it's basically impossible to stay entirely true to the book...not that you can't do the book justice in a movie or even make it better.

Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.

/wasn't aware The Thing started as a book, just thought Carpenter made it as a follow on to the original movie
//the more recent movie was a complete pile of trash
 
2012-07-13 09:09:09 PM

skinink: I don't mind so much if the movie deviates a lot from the book, like "The Shining" with Nicholson was a lot different from the book, as long as the movie is good. But The movie version of WWZ sounds like it's really gonna suck, which is too bad because the book is so good and there's so many things they can build the movie on.
I imagine the movie will be bad enough that they will eventually release it during the "dead zone" for bad movies, the month or so before the Academy Awards show. And the movie will bomb.


Nah. The unwashed masses will love it. You will be pissed off.

:]
 
2012-07-13 09:12:52 PM

Shrugging Atlas: madgonad: I once thought that, but there are plenty of examples of movies that improved on the book.
Examples:
John Carpenter's The Thing
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
Princess Bride
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shining
Fight Club
Jaws
There will be blood
Blade Runner
The Exorcist
Clockwork Orange

These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.

Oh I certainly believe a movie can improve on the book (or other source material for that matter). I was just trying to make the point it's basically impossible to stay entirely true to the book...not that you can't do the book justice in a movie or even make it better.

Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.

/wasn't aware The Thing started as a book, just thought Carpenter made it as a follow on to the original movie
//the more recent movie was a complete pile of trash



The book was better, followed closely by the spoken-word version.
 
2012-07-13 09:16:43 PM

Teufelaffe: talkertopc: FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.

I overheard the Stage Manager on a production I was in say to one of her crew, "We could do this whole thing so much more easily if we could just get rid of the damn actors."


That's basically a Hitchcock quote.
 
2012-07-13 09:17:30 PM
Last month, Lost exec producer and Prometheus scriptwriter Damon Lindelof was brought in to watch the movie and make suggestions

So they are trying to make it more convoluted and non-sensical?
 
2012-07-13 09:29:35 PM
This travesty is not just a "slight deviation" form the source material. They tossed the entire farking story. WWZ was a documentary, what we have now is a action flick. Guess I will wait for the netflix release. But I am sure after the advertising blitzkrieg is over it will make billions.
 
2012-07-13 09:36:04 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Oh I certainly believe a movie can improve on the book (or other source material for that matter). I was just trying to make the point it's basically impossible to stay entirely true to the book...not that you can't do the book justice in a movie or even make it better.


I can think of only one example in which the movie is almost identical, word for word, with the book. The movie Big Trouble, based on the book of the same name by Dave Berry. They made a slight change (removed some sexual content) from one of the 'villains', but otherwise the book was the script.
However, since books allow the reader into the mind of the characters it is really quite difficult to translate that into a film.
 
2012-07-13 09:39:49 PM
"Problem is, sources tell us that Lindelof said the script needed months of work, not days - something he didn't have time for - and changes were needed throughout the film, not just at the end."

Yeah, like scrapping the entire thing, starting over, and this time KEEPING TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL, you farking morans!
 
2012-07-13 09:39:55 PM

Erik_Emune: madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.


Oh no, it's quite the reverse. It's much easier to have a dystopic militaristic society if your military is incompetent. If your military kicks butt, you can have a small professional military, you don't need lying recruitng posters, etc. If it's mostly lard-butts and greenies it becomes a huge parasitic structure that requires the entire country to survive. For God's sake, they were nuking civillians in the book. Pretty easy to see how they'd keep the populace in line. And if only veterans can vote? How many people were actually joining this military to fight, instead of to get voting rights and get their share of the lard?

I always disliked the book- the action, characters, etc. were all very good, but the world wasn't believable. A world based on Heinlein's idea would break down into laziness, corruption, and theft in a few generations. I thought the movie was great at showing just how incompetent such a world would be.
 
2012-07-13 09:44:05 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Erik_Emune: madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.

Oh no, it's quite the reverse. It's much easier to have a dystopic militaristic society if your military is incompetent. If your military kicks butt, you can have a small professional military, you don't need lying recruitng posters, etc. If it's mostly lard-butts and greenies it becomes a huge parasitic structure that requires the entire country to survive. For God's sake, they were nuking civillians in the book. Pretty easy to see how they'd keep the populace in line. And if only veterans can vote? How many people were actually joining this military to fight, instead of to get voting rights and get their share of the lard?


I always thought Harrison that with,
images.contentreserve.com

Funny as shiat, too.
 
2012-07-13 09:46:21 PM
Last month, Lost exec producer and Prometheus scriptwriter Damon Lindelof was brought in to watch the movie and make suggestions...

NO NO NO NO NO NO.....
 
2012-07-13 10:09:59 PM
I'm overjoyed at this news. I've been online waging war against "Starship Zombies" since I first saw footage of the infamous eight second reanimation on YouTube. I am sick and tired of Hollywood's farkery. Producers have buggered Starship Troopers, I, Robot, I Am Legend, and too many more more to mention here. It's time they learn respect for source material and it is up to us fans to teach them.

It's quickly grown apparent that not one person involved with the WWZ movie has read the book. I don't believe that even J. Michael Straczynski, who wrote the first two drafts of the script read more than a few chapters. If anything, this movie (and the two possible sequels) are based on the 2004 Dawn of the Dead remake, and the only thing that they wanted from Max was a title.

Let's call this thing for what it is: Brad Pitt's Starship Zombies. With any hope, after the locomotives collide, Leonardo DiCaprio will pick up WWZ and do it right.
 
2012-07-13 10:26:21 PM

fusillade762: madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Is that the one with Jolene Blalock where they find religion?


Yep. No nekkid Jolene and shiatty story = horrible movie, even with the mechs. The whole religion thing was a complete waste of time and made zero sense.
 
2012-07-13 10:35:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Or a more recent example:

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter

The movie bastardized the book. It would've been ok had I not read the book beforehand and know everything they chopped up/intentionally left out


Wait they told me it was his unrecorded life..they lied!
 
2012-07-13 10:46:53 PM

Solid Muldoon: Starship Troopers was not an adaptation of the novel, it was an indictment of it.


I hear that a lot, and I just don't see it.

The central idea behind the book was that being a soldier makes one a better citizen, because you put society's needs before your own, and thus only those who have served get to vote. Whether or not you agree with that idea, that's what Heinlein wrote about.

Then there's the movie, in which a character like Ace starts out as a cocky braggart who wants to be squad leader. But once he sees combat, he realizes that he doesn't have what it takes to be a leader. When he's offered the position of squad leader again, he turns it down and says "I'm just here to fight." He has learned to put the needs of his squad ahead of his own selfish desire to be top dog.

If the movie is an indictment of the book, it doesn't do a very good job.
 
2012-07-13 10:46:57 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Shrugging Atlas: madgonad: I once thought that, but there are plenty of examples of movies that improved on the book.
Examples:
John Carpenter's The Thing
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
Princess Bride
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shining
Fight Club
Jaws
There will be blood
Blade Runner
The Exorcist
Clockwork Orange

These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.

Oh I certainly believe a movie can improve on the book (or other source material for that matter). I was just trying to make the point it's basically impossible to stay entirely true to the book...not that you can't do the book justice in a movie or even make it better.

Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.

/wasn't aware The Thing started as a book, just thought Carpenter made it as a follow on to the original movie
//the more recent movie was a complete pile of trash


The book was better, followed closely by the spoken-word version.


Add Misery. Only movie in which I almost threw up watching in the theater. Can't watch it without having my spine want to leave my body during the hobbling.

/Old guy
//Lawn off, etc.
 
2012-07-13 10:47:23 PM

SmokeMonkey: The All-Powerful Atheismo: madgonad: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.

Most faithful to the source: The Last Man on Earth

Vincent Price is as awesome as usual, but as usual he is the best thing in a cheap piece of crap. Though the source is captured faithfully, it is also amateurish. The movie looks like it was shot in a weekend for $800 with the director's family filling every role but Price's. It's farking boring, but if that script was tightened a bit and shot by professionals it could be excellent and meaningful. It's still better than the Heston and Smith versions though, because it makes sense.


The Heston version makes perfect sense, it's just not faithful
 
2012-07-13 10:49:31 PM

Shrugging Atlas: madgonad: I once thought that, but there are plenty of examples of movies that improved on the book.
Examples:
John Carpenter's The Thing
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
Princess Bride
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shining
Fight Club
Jaws
There will be blood
Blade Runner
The Exorcist
Clockwork Orange

These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.

Oh I certainly believe a movie can improve on the book (or other source material for that matter). I was just trying to make the point it's basically impossible to stay entirely true to the book...not that you can't do the book justice in a movie or even make it better.

Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.

/wasn't aware The Thing started as a book, just thought Carpenter made it as a follow on to the original movie
//the more recent movie was a complete pile of trash


I swore that if they included that freaking idiot Tom Bombadil (Something like that) I wouldn't watch it. That shiat was beyond annoying. Movies much better than the books.
 
2012-07-13 10:51:49 PM

Brian Blessed's Bastard Boy: Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.


That was Tom Bombadil's fault Link
 
2012-07-13 11:02:17 PM

Coelacanth: Brian Blessed's Bastard Boy: Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.

That was Tom Bombadil's fault Link


Thank God I'm already drunk, because that shiat just made me want to stick a screwdriver in my ears.
 
2012-07-13 11:18:41 PM

madgonad: These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.


Wow that list is full of fail. Have you ever actually read any of the books those movies were based on?
 
2012-07-13 11:22:17 PM
That's all right the book sucks and I'm sure the movie will suck too. I'll probably still watch it because... Zom-pocalypse.
 
2012-07-13 11:22:53 PM

madgonad: I can think of only one example in which the movie is almost identical, word for word, with the book.


Rosemary's Baby.
 
2012-07-13 11:31:28 PM

Primum: That's all right the book sucks and I'm sure the movie will suck too. I'll probably still watch it because... Zom-pocalypse.


Incidentally,that's the name of the SyFy Channel flick that will air when this is finally released.
 
2012-07-14 12:04:57 AM

Brian Blessed's Bastard Boy: Coelacanth: Brian Blessed's Bastard Boy: Another example I'd add to your list, and I'll probably be killed for this: The Lord of the Rings movies.

That was Tom Bombadil's fault Link

Thank God I'm already drunk, because that shiat just made me want to stick a screwdriver in my ears.


I think it's actually good, but that's besides the point.

Tom Bombadil is a complete and total mystery. IMHO, he might be a stand-in for a Christian God that's all-powerful, but totally oblivious to our pleas for help.
 
2012-07-14 12:15:39 AM

Coelacanth: Tom Bombadil is a complete and total mystery. IMHO, he might be a stand-in for a Christian God that's all-powerful, but totally oblivious to our pleas for help.


Now I'm thinking there needs to be fanfic of Tom Bombadil siccing a bear on some kids for making fun of a bald guy.
 
2012-07-14 12:47:07 AM

madgonad: Blade Runner


Surely you jest.

It won the 1968 Nebula award and has been voted 5th best science fiction novel written prior to 1990.
 
2012-07-14 12:51:24 AM

Lord_Dubu: Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.


No.

cinedork.com
 
2012-07-14 01:14:47 AM

malaktaus: madgonad: I can think of only one example in which the movie is almost identical, word for word, with the book.

Rosemary's Baby.


Shawshank Redemption. Other than the whole Red being a black guy part.
 
2012-07-14 01:41:05 AM

Confabulat: malaktaus: madgonad: I can think of only one example in which the movie is almost identical, word for word, with the book.

Rosemary's Baby.

Shawshank Redemption. Other than the whole Red being a black guy part.


Tron.

/laff
 
2012-07-14 01:48:52 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Lord_Dubu: Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.

No.

[cinedork.com image 648x470]


I would've given anything to have seen Stephen King's face the first time he saw this movie.
 
2012-07-14 02:32:15 AM
World War Z: JMS' Script Review Link
 
2012-07-14 03:49:32 AM

Fail in Human Form: Erik_Emune: madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.

I haven't read WWZ but most of the time in the zombie movies the military gets overrun because the government herds civilians into the bases for protection and to maintain order. Obviously somebody infected gets in and well... yeah


Only, they're talking about the military in Starship Troopers.

/how do I read thread?
 
2012-07-14 05:25:19 AM

Erik_Emune: madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.


Hell, the training tactics in the movie are insane. They put a live-fire range with no backstops in the middle of the goddamn base, with observers casually hanging out in unprotected towers right in the middle of the range.

www.imfdb.org
 
2012-07-14 09:33:07 AM

Ryker's Peninsula: How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.


...except that's one of the most unrealistic parts. of the movie. I know it will appeal to a certain group of people, but it's going to be hard to portray without exposing the inherent flaw in slow zombie moves - that slow, mindless hordes of unarmed humans with poor motor control are somehow a threat to society as a whole. And the statement in the book that somehow explosives were ineffective? So an axe to the head is more damaging than vaporizing entire city blocks with MOABs? A person in your average beach house on stilts could simply stock up on food, fire up the hurricane kit, saw off the stairs and casually kill hundreds of zombies milling about below. Or erect a huge barricade ringed with gun ports at eye level. Walk around doing head shots.



Not that I've given any thought to this or anything.....
 
2012-07-14 09:42:18 AM
The first rule about Hollywood zombie apocalypse is: You don't talk to World War Z director
 
2012-07-14 09:44:33 AM
Brad Pitt doesn't seem very bright.
 
2012-07-14 09:48:53 AM

Coelacanth: Mike Chewbacca: Lord_Dubu: Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.

No.

[cinedork.com image 648x470]

I would've given anything to have seen Stephen King's face the first time he saw this movie.


When's he gonna eat the gophers? WHEN'S HE GONNA EAT THE GOPHERS?
 
2012-07-14 09:54:12 AM
I still can't understand the love for this book.
 
2012-07-14 09:57:11 AM
I knew this would end up being a flying Mongolian cluster fark. Its really a shame. They should have done it like Band of Brothers. 8-10 episodes and that's it. There is no way this book could be properly addressed in 2 hours
 
2012-07-14 10:14:31 AM

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."
Did somebody just say I, Robot?


i don't understand the hate for i, robot. i thought the movie was pretty good (not great, but pretty good.) and almost all of my friends who have read the original book (i have not) also thought it was pretty good. the whole movie hinges on one very illogical plot point, but once you get past that its an entertaining action sci-fi movie. i was expecting it to be far worse.

i am legend was pretty bad though. will smith gave a great performance, but the movie was just pointless.
 
2012-07-14 10:44:51 AM

Sgt Otter: Erik_Emune: madgonad: That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

The infantry tactics used in the movie were suicidally incompetent, and that's a problem when the movie claims to depict a bunch of kick-ass troopers. Sure, some would say it's irrelevant to the overall message, but it isn't. Moby Dick doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale. Likewise, depicting a dystopic militaristic society is damn hard to do if you can't convincingly depict a military of sorts.

Hell, the training tactics in the movie are insane. They put a live-fire range with no backstops in the middle of the goddamn base, with observers casually hanging out in unprotected towers right in the middle of the range.


The part where I was ready to walk out of the theater was when they brought in the fleet and parked the ships so close together they couldn't maneuver without hitting each other. It's outer SPACE, there's plenty of it, dear lord park at least a full ship-length away from the next cruiser!

Not to mention, those big ships seemed to have absolutely no use other than being carriers for troops...no guns whatsoever that I recall. I admit it's been years since I saw the movie since I hated it when I first saw it, Clancy Brown and NPH or no.
 
2012-07-14 11:32:45 AM

bill4935: I still can't understand the love for this book.


I didn't know ZeroCorpse had an alt.

/Kidding; obviously you're not ZeroCorpse
//Shocked he hasn't commented before now
///Loved the book, the movie looks worse than trash.
 
2012-07-14 12:14:14 PM

bill4935: I still can't understand the love for this book.


I think it's because it's fairly unique in the whole zombie genre. Most books/movies just focus on the aftermath, and then it typically ends up with everyone farked.

The thing I find interesting about WWZ is that it takes you from the intial outbreak, through the almost total collapse of society, and finally how humans endured at the height of it and ultimately how some of them prevailed and brought society back. I also enjoy the fact it covers a wide range of characters in vastly different situations.

It's far fetched--but we are dealing with zombies here--and all the characters regardless of nationality or background typically 'talk' in the same way so the writing could be better. But it's an entertaining book that takes all of about a day or two to read start to finish.
 
2012-07-14 01:05:10 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.


Please God, no. All the friggen troops had to do was GET ON THE ROOFS and have ammo delivered by helicopter and they could calmly kill zombies until hell froze over. But noooo....even if the brass were ALL idiots, someone woul dhave come up with this in the battle. I liked the book but that was one of the stupidest battle scenes even put on paper.
 
2012-07-14 01:12:06 PM

Choestoe: Please God, no. All the friggen troops had to do was GET ON THE ROOFS and have ammo delivered by helicopter and they could calmly kill zombies until hell froze over. But noooo....even if the brass were ALL idiots, someone woul dhave come up with this in the battle. I liked the book but that was one of the stupidest battle scenes even put on paper.


You have to remember though that the brass was putting this all on for show. Not only did they not really think there was a threat, they were purposely busting out all the heavy equipment and 'Shock and Awe' stuff partly because it's what they were trained to do and partly because it made for good TV. Heck, one of the characters that's recapping the battle in the book even states exactly what you said...how dumb it was they weren't just set on the rooftops and instead were set to digging trenches, etc.

Also, like almost every zombie book/movie/comic the thing takes place in a world where there is no pre-existing knowledge (via books/movies/comics) on how to deal with zombies.
 
2012-07-14 04:40:38 PM

DjangoStonereaver: bill4935: I still can't understand the love for this book.

I didn't know ZeroCorpse had an alt.

/Kidding; obviously you're not ZeroCorpse
//Shocked he hasn't commented before now
///Loved the book, the movie looks worse than trash.


Ask and ye shall receive.

You all know my opinion: WWZ is an awful survival-porn book that takes a dump on the zombie genre. Kirkman's The Walking Dead is a far superior tale, as was Arrow/Caliber Comics' Dead World, and even though it's about vampires I'd say Matheson's I Am Legend is the how-to textbook on zombie tales. WWZ made the zombie genre accessible to the guys who read gun magazines and Maxim by dumbing it down, removing the real human elements, and turning the zombies into an invading force that could be battled and defeated in the name of Real Survivor Skillz. It's "Zombies For Tucker Max Fans".

The only thing I liked about WWZ was Mark Hamill's acting in the audio book.

The book, and the subsequent rush of survival porn enthusiasts who declared it the best thing ever, effectively ruined zombies for me... And I've been called ZeroCorpse since the early 80s for a reason. It is to zombies as Twilight is to vampires.

However, to each his own. If you enjoy it, then far be it from me to trod upon your daisy garden. What you like may not be to my liking, but you have every right to like it.

That said, I would like to thank you for spelling my name correctly, with the proper capitalization. I honestly appreciate it. Others could learn from your manners (i.e., if you're going to call me out or insult me, at least spell my name right.)

We do agree on one thing, though: The movie's going to be a mess. You can't turn what is essentially a bad documentary about surviving a zombie outbreak into a compelling movie. The book might be interesting as a mockumentary series if handled 100% seriously and given a sort of PBS vibe, but as an action movie it's a stupid idea that is destined to fail.

And having Brad Pitt as its major champion didn't help any. He's a good actor, but he's not very deep, subtle, or clever as far as I've ever seen. He's more style than substance in just about everything he does.
 
2012-07-14 04:52:33 PM
I read the book and was dismayed by the lack of basic, basic research done. There's a lot of problems with the effects of various weapons and how they didn't affect zombies or kill them (most of these could have been handwaved with a simple "zombies aren't affected by shock or nerve trauma or bloodloss", but I didn't see that mentioned) -- but mostly how all these different voices from cultures around the world used American cultural references, phrasing, allusions, etc.

I get that it's a different take on zombie apocalypse and it has some interesting set pieces, but it was not written skillfully. The interview format meant the author didn't worry about there being a plot.

/Guess I'll go read The Road.
 
2012-07-14 05:05:46 PM

SmokeMonkey: The All-Powerful Atheismo: madgonad: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.

Most faithful to the source: The Last Man on Earth

Vincent Price is as awesome as usual, but as usual he is the best thing in a cheap piece of crap. Though the source is captured faithfully, it is also amateurish. The movie looks like it was shot in a weekend for $800 with the director's family filling every role but Price's. It's farking boring, but if that script was tightened a bit and shot by professionals it could be excellent and meaningful. It's still better than the Heston and Smith versions though, because it makes sense.


Total agreement. If they remade The Last Man On Earth instead of making that Will Smith version, I'd have been happy.

No version of I Am Legend is good unless they have Ben Cortman looking like an undead Oliver Hardy. That's a major plot point. The other point, which they all seem to fail at understanding, is that Neville has to die at the end, and he has to die realizing that he is the monster now, and that with his death humankind is extinct. That's kind of the whole point to the novella.

Will Smith's version pissed me off the most by having a "colony of survivors" at the end. Seriously? What a crock of shiat that was.
 
2012-07-14 05:09:37 PM

bill4935: I read the book and was dismayed by the lack of basic, basic research done. There's a lot of problems with the effects of various weapons and how they didn't affect zombies or kill them (most of these could have been handwaved with a simple "zombies aren't affected by shock or nerve trauma or bloodloss", but I didn't see that mentioned) -- but mostly how all these different voices from cultures around the world used American cultural references, phrasing, allusions, etc.

I get that it's a different take on zombie apocalypse and it has some interesting set pieces, but it was not written skillfully. The interview format meant the author didn't worry about there being a plot.


Yes, there's that, too. I'm convinced the book exists only because of nepotism. It's shoddy work from a survivalist fan's point of view (poor research) and it's shoddy work from a zombie fan's point of view (completely abandons the concept of zombies being a background 'force of nature' threat and turns them into a generic enemy army that can be defeated, while failing to focus on the human interactions aside from trite anecdotes told after the fact.)

But survival porn fans LOVE it. Younger zombie fans (the ones who think zombie stories are all about shootin' zombies) love it, too.

So I can't win this one. I accept that people wanted a zombie story that wasn't too cerebral, and Max Brooks delivered in spades.
 
2012-07-14 05:53:31 PM

enderthexenocide: i am legend was pretty bad though. will smith gave a great performance, but the movie was just pointless.


The European edition is better. Although the Will Smith character lives at the end, the hemocytes become the new norm and Will Smith becomes the monster (the hemocytes start looking around the basement lab, see the poloroids of previous deceased patients of the good doctor hanging on the wall, and start looking a little panicky), and the intent of the source material is preserved.

Sgt Otter: Hell, the training tactics in the movie are insane. They put a live-fire range with no backstops in the middle of the goddamn base, with observers casually hanging out in unprotected towers right in the middle of the range.


Rat bastard director knew exactly what he was doing. Same way with the movie Showgirls. He loves to tick people off for shiats and grins.

Shrugging Atlas: I think it's because it's fairly unique in the whole zombie genre. Most books/movies just focus on the aftermath, and then it typically ends up with everyone farked.


Robinson Crusoe has been around for 300 years and it's a messed up book.
 
2012-07-14 06:52:26 PM

ZeroCorpse: However, to each his own. If you enjoy it, then far be it from me to trod upon your daisy garden. What you like may not be to my liking, but you have every right to like it.


Fair enough and in the spirit of full disclosure I tend to find zombie horror tedious, repetetive and
unoriginal in the extreme, so the fact that WWZ tickled my fancy makes me rather protective of it.

I'm much more an HP Lovecraft/Cthulhu Mythos/cosmic horror fan.

That said, I would like to thank you for spelling my name correctly, with the proper capitalization. I honestly appreciate it. Others could learn from your manners (i.e., if you're going to call me out or insult me, at least spell my name right.)

I may disagree with your sentiments on WWZ, but I have always found your statements on it very
cogent and well reasoned.

Even if they are wrong.... ;-)

We do agree on one thing, though: The movie's going to be a mess. You can't turn what is essentially a bad documentary about surviving a zombie outbreak into a compelling movie. The book might be interesting as a mockumentary series if handled 100% seriously and given a sort of PBS vibe, but as an action movie it's a stupid idea that is destined to fail.

And having Brad Pit ...


Prior to this, I'd always thought that Pitt was slightly above doing the 'star thing', since he tends to take
roles that do challenge him as a pretty boy actor (KALIFORNIA, 12 MONKEYS, SNATCH). I guess
this only proves he's human after all.
 
2012-07-14 10:50:15 PM

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


This travesty has as much to do with the source material as 'The Lawnmower Man' or 'The Hunger Games'...
 
2012-07-15 12:00:57 AM

Gleeman: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

This travesty has as much to do with the source material as 'The Lawnmower Man' or 'The Hunger Games'...


You guys ever see the first Sherlock Holmes movie?

He owns a detective agency. A big office. He has secretaries and a telephone operator. Watson is his chauffeur.

/I couldn't watch anymore than that.
 
2012-07-16 11:14:58 AM

fusillade762: madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

Is that the one with Jolene Blalock where they find religion?


That was Marauder. Which had a budget of a 7-11. Could have been a good film.
 
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