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(Vulture)   Hollywood zombie apocalypse: Brad Pitt won't even talk to his World War Z director anymore   (vulture.com) divider line 111
    More: Fail, World War Z, Marc Forster, Hollywood Zombies, Christopher McQuarrie, WGA, Quantum of Solace, DGA, zombie apocalypse  
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2012-07-13 02:02:11 PM  
Good. The entire project has FAIL written all over it.

/Should've been a series
 
2012-07-13 02:48:02 PM  
Yep. Should have been one episode per chapter on TV instead of a movie. They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Morons.
 
2012-07-13 04:14:47 PM  
"We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."
 
2012-07-13 05:55:44 PM  

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


Did somebody just say I, Robot?
 
2012-07-13 05:57:00 PM  

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


Pretty much.

Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.

Apocalypse Now and Bladerunner are classic films and no one balks at how little they resemble the source. Why? Because the title doesn't suggest we should compare the two.
 
2012-07-13 05:57:43 PM  

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?


Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.
 
2012-07-13 05:59:02 PM  

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?


Or a more recent example:

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter

The movie bastardized the book. It would've been ok had I not read the book beforehand and know everything they chopped up/intentionally left out
 
2012-07-13 06:05:33 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Yep. Should have been one episode per chapter on TV instead of a movie. They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Morons.


That wouldn't work out either. Most of the segments couldn't fill a half-hour slot and many of them are relatively flat without character development. While the downed pilot, patient zero, or the blind man in Tokyo are miniature stand-alone stories, most of the segments are very discrete instances to provide depth. Camping the Canada, decimations in Russia, floating around in the Pacific... if somebody tuned in and watched one of those they would never watch another episode again.

Now a mini-series I could go with. 240 minutes of content could cover almost all of the bases. However, do you stick with the books narration - an journalist trying to put it all together after the fact? It could work. Kind of like the break-aways in The Princess Bride. Obviously we now know that they are going to have the 'writer' actually live through every scene. Not sure how that will work since many of the subplots depend on character being alone at the time of the action.

I'll reserve judgement until I see it.
 
2012-07-13 06:06:54 PM  
Thought this project had been killed off....
 
2012-07-13 06:07:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Good. The entire project has FAIL written all over it.

/Should've been a series




Done in one.
 
2012-07-13 06:07:34 PM  

Apos: Thought this project had been killed off....



Nope.....it wasn't shot in the head.
 
2012-07-13 06:08:56 PM  

sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.


I, Robot and Starship Troopers were good movies though. WW Z looks like it will be a massive failure.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:02 PM  

The_Sponge: Apos: Thought this project had been killed off....


Nope.....it wasn't shot in the head.


How unfortunate for everyone.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:30 PM  
Good start. Now can we be lucky enough to have the entire farking thing cancelled before we have another I Am Legend on hour hands?
 
2012-07-13 06:09:41 PM  

Lord_Dubu: Remember the old days when if you changed a movie from the source you renamed it... so as to avoid harsh comparisons with the original.


Nope. Because THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
 
2012-07-13 06:10:17 PM  

madgonad: Now a mini-series I could go with. 240 minutes of content could cover almost all of the bases. However, do you stick with the books narration - an journalist trying to put it all together after the fact? It could work. Kind of like the break-aways in The Princess Bride. Obviously we now know that they are going to have the 'writer' actually live through every scene. Not sure how that will work since many of the subplots depend on character being alone at the time of the action.


That'd be the best way to go about it. It'd give context to the jump cuts (since there would be very few running characters). Not all the characters would have to 'live', as some of them (like the ones in Pakistan or China where there's a whole lot of getting wiped out) could be described as events rather than needing some faceless grunt to be doing the telling. The Decimation would work best that way, I think. Viewed from the perspective of the priest guy, rather than narrated by the priest.
 
2012-07-13 06:10:43 PM  

Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?


No hate for I Am Legend?
 
2012-07-13 06:12:07 PM  

sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.


The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.
 
2012-07-13 06:15:44 PM  
How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.
 
2012-07-13 06:16:11 PM  
Damn, thought Mark Hamil should have been in it.


If you didn't know, the audio book is incredible and has some damn fine voice acting including hamil, henry rollins, and john tutorro. great for road trips at night.
 
2012-07-13 06:16:47 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?


It was the first one that popped into my mind (probably because I, Robot was one of my favorite books as a teenager)
 
2012-07-13 06:19:27 PM  

Jumpin Jbot: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

It was the first one that popped into my mind (probably because I, Robot was one of my favorite books as a teenager)


How odd....that's exactly why I came up with I Am Legend.....
 
2012-07-13 06:19:47 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?


I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.
 
2012-07-13 06:19:55 PM  
Hooray! Now change the title so this abomination has no reference to the book at all.
 
2012-07-13 06:23:34 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: How about they just scrap everything and do a 2 hour movie about the "Battle at Yonkers" part of the book. The breakdown of society isn't very interesting on screen when compared to the largest military on the planet using their best technology against an enemy they can't kill.


I forgot all about that part. I'm going to go reread it now.

Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?


Will Smith went and Will Smithed it up. Can you imagine if he played Neo in The Matrix?

Aw, hell naw!
 
2012-07-13 06:32:24 PM  
This is WWZ in name only... You got running zombies, a single storyline... Terrible.

The book was the last good zombie thing in our culture. I don't watch the Walking Dead.
 
2012-07-13 06:36:55 PM  

madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


Is that the one with Jolene Blalock where they find religion?
 
2012-07-13 06:41:23 PM  

madgonad: Shrugging Atlas: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

No hate for I Am Legend?

I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.


Most faithful to the source: The Last Man on Earth
 
2012-07-13 06:44:01 PM  
It's a shame. I always heard that JMS's original script was a great adaptation, but it was basically tossed out and the project has devolved.
 
2012-07-13 06:47:08 PM  

carnifex2005:
I, Robot and Starship Troopers were good movies though.


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2012-07-13 06:49:56 PM  

madgonad: sprawl15: Jumpin Jbot: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

Did somebody just say I, Robot?

Still more relevant to the book than Starship Troopers.

The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess. Verhoeven did a fine job of adapting it into something that was similar, but different enough to enjoy. Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs. ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


To me Starship Troopers is one of his books that is least a mess. I mean Stranger in a Strange Land is really disjointed, and all of his Lazarus Long novels are just insane.
 
2012-07-13 06:53:59 PM  
Make it a mini-series and go the narrator route.

10 years later the writer is commissioned by the governing bodies of whats left of the world to collect accounts of events that took place.

All scenes are flashbacks. Game, Set, Match.

I am Legend sucked diseased donkey balls compared to its source material.
 
2012-07-13 06:55:01 PM  

I don't mind so much if the movie deviates a lot from the book, like "The Shining" with Nicholson was a lot different from the book, as long as the movie is good. But The movie version of WWZ sounds like it's really gonna suck, which is too bad because the book is so good and there's so many things they can build the movie on.


I imagine the movie will be bad enough that they will eventually release it during the "dead zone" for bad movies, the month or so before the Academy Awards show. And the movie will bomb.

 
2012-07-13 06:55:51 PM  
After reading this article I think the main problem is that the big names wanted to put their stamp on the material they worked on.

So, at the start, Pitt wants to make it his own, and Forster wants to make it his own. This explains the deviation from the source material. No one wants to do Brooks' WWZ, Pitt wants to do Pitt's WWZ. Then they bring in Lindelof to help out with some patch work and of course he wants to do a larger amount of work on it because how else can he put his stamp on it?

It does not sound like anyone had any interest in working with anyone else towards a common goal from day one.
 
2012-07-13 06:56:42 PM  

madgonad: The book would have sucked if it was made directly into a movie. Johnny was a pansy that was afraid of girls and the opening scene had Johnny's platoon nuking cities filled with civilian Skinnies as a warning not to get involved in the Arachnid war. Seriously, I love Heinlein's work, but ST is really a mess.


I didn't like the movie very much, but for different reasons...it was entirely too hamfisted and hurdurr with the satire, like Carlos Mencia trying to riff on fascism. I just really didn't find it that entertaining, especially the incredible parade of stupid decisions that went on in the movie.

I think the suits would have been neat to do, but the lack of technical details would have made at least SOME section of the fanbase mad, since Heinlein didn't talk much about the 'standard' weapons (other than nukes/flamethrowers) other than mention that they have target-seeking properties. 5 would get you 10 that someone modeling the suits would just give them miniguns because it's 'more awesomer'.

madgonad: ST3 had the mechs in it and it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


ST2 was worse, IMO. Well, there was one redeeming scene in 2.
 
2012-07-13 07:00:14 PM  

madgonad: I have plenty. The recent movie completely misses the point of the story. They have Smith's character realize he made a mistake with the woman, but the plot element that he was the last human is gone. Remember, the 'survivor' is the last human - a monster in the eye's of the new civilization. A creature that stalked the daylight, preying on helpless victims. His eventual realization and death is important to the story. They turned the new race into such unrecognizable monsters that the viewer can never get to the proper ending.


Absolutely correct.

I've always felt I'm biased....I'm a big fan of the book. But at the same time, I fully appreciate it's really impossible to ever do a book justice when you turn it into a movie. The movie can still be good or even great, but not exactly true to the source material. So I was prepared for some 'creative license' and quite OK with that.

But Jesus farking Christ. Like you said, it missed the entire premise of the book. Forget the fact the creatures were...whatever they were...and not vampires. Forget the plot holes too numerous to list. At the end of the day what in the hell does the title have to do with anything that goes on in the movie given how they portray it.

The non-theatrical ending...while doing absolutely nothing to fix the hot mess that was the other 95% of the movie is vastly better in my opinion and at least tries to nod vaguely in the direction of the book, sort of. I guess they shiatcanned when someone floated the idea of making a sequel with Smith in it or something.

What annoys me most is the fact I think the book would not be terribly difficult to put on the big screen largely as is. Trim a few parts out, streamline the origin of the disease, and stick it in NYC since all disaster movies seemingly need to be filmed there. It's a straight forward story with the need for only a few characters, and you really don't even require much expensive CGI since the vampires are basically human looking without any absurd super powers .
 
2012-07-13 07:03:17 PM  

sprawl15: like Carlos Mencia trying to riff on fascism.


That may be the best description of that movie I've ever read.
 
2012-07-13 07:23:19 PM  

madgonad: Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs.


No armor and no replacement for the armor, resulting in the totally believable scenario that the military of the future consists entirely of rifle infantry with very limited air support. *rolls eyes*

There was no need for combined arms in the book because the armor fulfilled most of the roles. Take out the armor without replacing it with something results in a future military that looks like it was designed by a 10 year-old with no concept of strategy.


Shrugging Atlas: The non-theatrical ending...while doing absolutely nothing to fix the hot mess that was the other 95% of the movie is vastly better in my opinion and at least tries to nod vaguely in the direction of the book, sort of. I guess they shiatcanned when someone floated the idea of making a sequel with Smith in it or something.


You mean the non-theatrical ending where Smith's character lives, as opposed to the theatrical one where he sacrifices himself? Not sure how that translates to "let's make a sequel!" FWIW, I read they changed the ending because "test audiences" hated the ending where Smith's character didn't try to kill everything that wasn't human.
 
2012-07-13 07:29:09 PM  

child_god: Can you imagine if he played Neo in The Matrix?


Are you suggesting that wouldn't have been better than Keanau?

/I would kill a busload of kitten nuns to live in the reality where Keanau's roles in The Matrix and Constantine were played by Paul Bettany.
 
2012-07-13 07:34:13 PM  

give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."


The Jason Bourne movies did this.
 
2012-07-13 07:34:48 PM  
FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.
 
2012-07-13 07:36:22 PM  

talkertopc: FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.


I overheard the Stage Manager on a production I was in say to one of her crew, "We could do this whole thing so much more easily if we could just get rid of the damn actors."
 
2012-07-13 07:44:13 PM  
Is it just me or does he look a lot like Russell Crowe in that photo?
 
2012-07-13 07:46:53 PM  

talkertopc: FTA:Things got so bad that when Forster had notes on a scene for Pitt, they had to be relayed through an intermediary - and vice versa.

Wow, feel the maturity.


Welcome to Hollywood. It's basically The Sandiest Vagina. You can grow rich, but you can never grow up.
 
2012-07-13 07:47:47 PM  

Teufelaffe: You mean the non-theatrical ending where Smith's character lives, as opposed to the theatrical one where he sacrifices himself? Not sure how that translates to "let's make a sequel!" FWIW, I read they changed the ending because "test audiences" hated the ending where Smith's character didn't try to kill everything that wasn't human.


Hmm, did I think I may have mixed the two up then. I thought he offed himself in the theatrical, and escaped i the non-theatrical.

Oh well, either way they are both variations of the same level of suck.
 
2012-07-13 07:51:11 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Teufelaffe: You mean the non-theatrical ending where Smith's character lives, as opposed to the theatrical one where he sacrifices himself? Not sure how that translates to "let's make a sequel!" FWIW, I read they changed the ending because "test audiences" hated the ending where Smith's character didn't try to kill everything that wasn't human.

Hmm, did I think I may have mixed the two up then. I thought he offed himself in the theatrical, and escaped i the non-theatrical.

Oh well, either way they are both variations of the same level of suck.


Yeah, the theatrical release was Smith blowing himself and the creatures up with a grenade, with the non-theatrical ending being the one where he lets the girl go.
 
2012-07-13 07:53:52 PM  
Starship Troopers was not an adaptation of the novel, it was an indictment of it.
 
2012-07-13 07:57:34 PM  

Teufelaffe: madgonad: Everyone is just mad that there weren't any mechs.

No armor and no replacement for the armor, resulting in the totally believable scenario that the military of the future consists entirely of rifle infantry with very limited air support. *rolls eyes*

There was no need for combined arms in the book because the armor fulfilled most of the roles. Take out the armor without replacing it with something results in a future military that looks like it was designed by a 10 year-old with no concept of strategy.


That is a common complaint, but remember that they were just following the infantry. You do see some air-power, but nothing equivalent to armour. My cousin came back from Afghanistan with pictures of his 'forward base' and it was essentially the base on Planet P - gun turrets, walls, and all. War really doesn't change that much when you talk about boots on the ground.

Shrugging Atlas: I've always felt I'm biased....I'm a big fan of the book. But at the same time, I fully appreciate it's really impossible to ever do a book justice when you turn it into a movie. The movie can still be good or even great, but not exactly true to the source material. So I was prepared for some 'creative license' and quite OK with that.


I once thought that, but there are plenty of examples of movies that improved on the book.
Examples:
John Carpenter's The Thing
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
Princess Bride
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shining
Fight Club
Jaws
There will be blood
Blade Runner
The Exorcist
Clockwork Orange

These movies all surpassed the original work in quality and impact - often times making changes to the book that work better on film.
 
2012-07-13 08:02:44 PM  
I want to see this movie. No apologies...I like zombie movies, and the book was great.

Although if they are completely ignoring the book and making a different movie with a different story, don't call it WWZ you money grubbers.

/I'd prolly still see it to see Pitt say "killin' Natzis...er zombies"
 
2012-07-13 08:04:24 PM  

BalugaJoe: give me doughnuts: "We like the title. We're just going to scrap everything else, and film two hours of crap."

The Jason Bourne movies did this.


The Bourne movies were crap?
 
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