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(College Basketball Talk)   The NCAA is so mad at Penn State right now that they just suspended Caltech from postseason competition for a year in track and field, cross country, swimming, baseball, fencing, soccer, water polo, men's basketball, and tennis   (collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 228
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2012-07-13 02:24:06 PM
Playoffs?

PLAYOFFS?!
 
2012-07-13 02:42:55 PM
TFA:

The student-athletes were ineligible due in large part to Caltech's unique academic policy that allows students to "shop" for courses during a three-week period of each quarter before finalizing their class schedules. During those three weeks, because they were not actually registered in some or all of the courses they are attending, some students were not enrolled on a full-time basis.

These are very important parameters to monitor and there must be consequences for breaking the rules. I for one am disgusted by Cal Tech's behavior, especially the blind eye the Board of Trustees has turned to the issue.

SHUT THEM DOWN!
 
2012-07-13 02:45:18 PM
University security has been tightened around the school's Nobel Prize trophies.
 
2012-07-13 02:47:36 PM
While the NCAA is not *literally* farking students in the showers, they help use and abuse student athletes in worse ways.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-07-13 03:30:48 PM
Remember, if you are a student and get caught doing something you aren't supposed to (selling autographs for tattoos, accepting dinner from a booster, etc etc), your entire program suffers, you forfeit past wins, you get hit by sanctions, and your entire program suffers for years.

If you are Penn State Football, however, your head coach can cover up a sexual abuse scandal for 14 years and suddenly "that is outside the NCAA's jurisdiction"

It is bullshiat. Shut down Penn State football for 2-3 years, let the mouth breathers on ESPN biatch and moan about it (but they always must mention how the real victims are the kids) and move on.

Someone said that "Does one bad thing ruin years of good behavior". In this case? Yes. 14 years of covering up a child rapist makes up for the library he donated money to and the other charitable work he did. Do you know why? Because a library can't get raped in the goddamn shower by a 60 year old man.

fark Penn State and fark the Paterno family and fark Joe Pa.
 
2012-07-13 03:35:24 PM

MBK: Shut down Penn State football for 2-3 years,


I think that any money made by Penn State football program should go towards the victims, as long as they are alive.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-07-13 03:38:51 PM

vernonFL: I think that any money made by Penn State football program should go towards the victims, as long as they are alive.


If I were a Sandusky victim, I would personally go to every PSU homegame with a sign that said "I got raped by a 60 year old man and Joe Pa didn't do anything to stop it"
 
2012-07-13 03:47:12 PM
It allowed 30 ineligible student-athletes in 12 sports to practice or compete during four academic years, according to findings by the NCAA Division III Committee on Infractions.

Per the NCAA, raping boys in showers is still OK, though.
 
2012-07-13 04:26:00 PM
Since when do Caltech athletes make the playoffs in anything?
 
2012-07-13 04:26:42 PM

MBK: vernonFL: I think that any money made by Penn State football program should go towards the victims, as long as they are alive.

If I were a Sandusky victim, I would personally go to every PSU homegame with a sign that said "I got raped by a 60 year old man and Joe Pa didn't do anything to stop it"


And you'd be dead about 60 seconds after you showed up.
 
2012-07-13 04:27:59 PM

IAmRight: Since when do Caltech athletes make the playoffs in anything?


MATHLETES
 
2012-07-13 04:28:19 PM

SlothB77: Per the NCAA, raping boys in showers is still OK, though


Because FOOTBALL!
and money.
pockets full of money.
v/ swoosh
 
2012-07-13 04:29:39 PM

MBK: Remember, if you are a student and get caught doing something you aren't supposed to (selling autographs for tattoos, accepting dinner from a booster, etc etc), your entire program suffers, you forfeit past wins, you get hit by sanctions, and your entire program suffers for years.


You said "your entire program suffers" twice...
 
2012-07-13 04:29:51 PM

MBK: a library can't get raped in the goddamn shower by a 60 year old man..


farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-13 04:30:30 PM

MBK: vernonFL: I think that any money made by Penn State football program should go towards the victims, as long as they are alive.

If I were a Sandusky victim, I would personally go to every PSU homegame with a sign that said "I got raped by a 60 year old man and Joe Pa didn't do anything to stop it"



Try this..
www.totalprosports.com
 
2012-07-13 04:31:21 PM

MBK:
It is bullshiat. Shut down Penn State football for 2-3 years,


They should shutter it permanently. Let them come back in a decade and re-apply for admission if they want. In the mean time, fark Penn State, Joe Paterno, and everyone else involved in this sorry mess.
 
2012-07-13 04:31:38 PM
Raze the stadium and make them change their name to Penis State.
 
2012-07-13 04:32:50 PM

IAmRight: Since when do Caltech athletes make the playoffs in anything?


I don't think it is so much about the playoffs - it's because the Caltech men's basketball team actually won a game last year. Their first since 1985 or something.

The article is concerned that their win will be overturned. Which I agree would be sad. This is sort of a "letter of the law, spirit of the law" situation, it seems to me.
 
2012-07-13 04:33:36 PM
Coca Cola is a huge NCAA sponsor. Drink other products until the NCAA takes appropriate action regarding the unethical behaviors of the Penn State head football coach and athletic director.

Lowe's is a NCAA sponsor, shop at Home Depot for now.

The NCAA will likely base it's decision on money.

Let Mark Emmert know how you feel and don't support NCAA sponsors if they are going to allow ethics violations of this magnitude by a head football coach and athletic director go unchecked.
 
2012-07-13 04:34:18 PM
While I can understand why peope favor shuttung down Penn State athletics, I don't think it's wise. It really disincentivises whistleblowing. A person who is considering ratting out their personnel or program will observe that it would have a negative effect on their own livelihood.

Asst. Coach: I saw what the coach did. I'm going to the police!

Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined.

Asst. Coach: Crap.
 
2012-07-13 04:34:43 PM

robertus: MBK: a library can't get raped in the goddamn shower by a 60 year old man..

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 400x300]


That's a book depository!
 
2012-07-13 04:35:21 PM
CSB:

The year before I joined my college rugby team, they had played Cal Tech during that season. When I heard about it, I said "You must have slaughtered them....like the Alpha Betas versus Lambda Lambda Lambda."

Apparently, that wasn't the case. Cal Tech's team had a lot of players who were originally from Australia, New Zealand, England, etc......and they kicked ass on the field.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:23 PM

MartinaMcSorley: IAmRight: Since when do Caltech athletes make the playoffs in anything?

I don't think it is so much about the playoffs - it's because the Caltech men's basketball team actually won a game last year. Their first since 1985 or something.

The article is concerned that their win will be overturned. Which I agree would be sad. This is sort of a "letter of the law, spirit of the law" situation, it seems to me.


I REALLY hope that this is just some elaborate prank done by the folks at MIT.
 
2012-07-13 04:35:36 PM
Shady_Short_Busser: You said "your entire program suffers" twice...

He likes programs. Entire ones in particular.
 
2012-07-13 04:36:00 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Playoffs?

PLAYOFFS?!



Don't talk about playoffs! Playoffs? You kidding me?

/Realize that Jim Mora's famous quote is beyond old.
//Still makes me chuckle every time I hear it, though.
 
2012-07-13 04:36:32 PM

cgraves67: Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined.


Um, no, its because they let it go on for so long that the NCAA should be pissed. If they would have done something about it when they should have, the repercussions would be much less.
 
2012-07-13 04:37:18 PM

MBK: Remember, if you are a student and get caught doing something you aren't supposed to (selling autographs for tattoos, accepting dinner from a booster, etc etc), your entire program suffers, you forfeit past wins, you get hit by sanctions, and your entire program suffers for years.

If you are Penn State Football, however, your head coach can cover up a sexual abuse scandal for 14 years and suddenly "that is outside the NCAA's jurisdiction"

It is bullshiat. Shut down Penn State football for 2-3 years, let the mouth breathers on ESPN biatch and moan about it (but they always must mention how the real victims are the kids) and move on.

Someone said that "Does one bad thing ruin years of good behavior". In this case? Yes. 14 years of covering up a child rapist makes up for the library he donated money to and the other charitable work he did. Do you know why? Because a library can't get raped in the goddamn shower by a 60 year old man.

fark Penn State and fark the Paterno family and fark Joe Pa.


And we're done.
 
2012-07-13 04:37:20 PM

Maud Dib: MBK: vernonFL: I think that any money made by Penn State football program should go towards the victims, as long as they are alive.

If I were a Sandusky victim, I would personally go to every PSU homegame with a sign that said "I got raped by a 60 year old man and Joe Pa didn't do anything to stop it"


Try this..
[www.totalprosports.com image 633x358]


Just think of the away games, you can let your imagination go wild on that one.
 
2012-07-13 04:38:08 PM

cgraves67: While I can understand why peope favor shuttung down Penn State athletics, I don't think it's wise. It really disincentivises whistleblowing. A person who is considering ratting out their personnel or program will observe that it would have a negative effect on their own livelihood.

Asst. Coach: I saw what the coach did. I'm going to the police!

Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined.

Asst. Coach: Crap.


No, it disincentivizes coverups.

Very few people would be calling for the program to be shut down if they had actually taken real action against Sandusky in 1998 instead of allowing him to continue raping children on school grounds for 14 years.
 
2012-07-13 04:38:15 PM

vernonFL: While the NCAA is not *literally* farking students in the showers, they help use and abuse student athletes in worse ways.


Not untrue, actually.
 
2012-07-13 04:38:57 PM

IAmRight: Since when do Caltech athletes make the playoffs in anything?


That's the joke.

/subby
 
2012-07-13 04:40:45 PM

r0Be: Let Mark Emmert know how you feel and don't support NCAA sponsors if they are going to allow ethics violations of this magnitude by a head football coach and athletic director go unchecked.


Before you waste your breath there, ask some Huskies fans how their campaign to remove an oppressive regime after the 2007 football season worked out for them.
 
2012-07-13 04:41:35 PM

vernonFL: While the NCAA is not *literally* farking students in the showers, they help use and abuse student athletes in worse ways.


Like paying for college and providing tutors?

/hate the NCAA
//hate the woe is me NCAA player even more
 
2012-07-13 04:41:52 PM

libranoelrose: MBK: vernonFL: I think that any money made by Penn State football program should go towards the victims, as long as they are alive.

If I were a Sandusky victim, I would personally go to every PSU homegame with a sign that said "I got raped by a 60 year old man and Joe Pa didn't do anything to stop it"

And you'd be dead about 60 seconds after you showed up.


Yep, he'd definitely be farked.
 
2012-07-13 04:42:46 PM
The NCAA mission statement: "Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount."

The NCAA in practice: Using the preface of caring about student athletes and governing competition in order to maintain a sustainable growth and profit model, often at the expense of those very same student-athletes.
 
2012-07-13 04:42:47 PM
In other words, CalTech didn't lack institutional control, they had an abundance of institutional apathy towards athletics.

yea for CalTech. now if only all schools took this attitude.

and for Penn State i hope that each and every living person who helped hide this disgusting behavior is sued until they are destitute. then they become homeless and sick and people skirt them as they are laying in the gutter.

as for Joe Pa there should be contests to see who can piss the most on his grave.
 
2012-07-13 04:43:26 PM
/sigh
The NCAA doesn't punish things like child molestation, that's not their job.

That's why we have law enforcement and court rooms.
 
2012-07-13 04:44:26 PM

Babwa Wawa: cgraves67: While I can understand why peope favor shuttung down Penn State athletics, I don't think it's wise. It really disincentivises whistleblowing. A person who is considering ratting out their personnel or program will observe that it would have a negative effect on their own livelihood.

Asst. Coach: I saw what the coach did. I'm going to the police!

Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined.

Asst. Coach: Crap.

No, it disincentivizes coverups.

Very few people would be calling for the program to be shut down if they had actually taken real action against Sandusky in 1998 instead of allowing him to continue raping children on school grounds for 14 years.


Yep, that right there. If the original commenter's situation happened, and they acted on it quickly... the NCAA and everyone would applaud them. Especially after this Penn State scandal.

If I were a University president, I'd be sicked that it happened... but I'd be happy to have a press conference where I could say "we caught this guy, fired him, and told the police immediately. It is now in their hands. We have and will continue to cooperate with the authorities on this matter."
 
2012-07-13 04:44:39 PM

ChaosStar: /sigh
The NCAA doesn't punish things like child molestation, that's not their job.

That's why we have law enforcement and court rooms.


Sh, you're disrupting all the hate on a dead old man.
 
TWX
2012-07-13 04:45:05 PM

cgraves67: While I can understand why peope favor shuttung down Penn State athletics, I don't think it's wise. It really disincentivises whistleblowing. A person who is considering ratting out their personnel or program will observe that it would have a negative effect on their own livelihood.

Asst. Coach: I saw what the coach did. I'm going to the police!

Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined.

Asst. Coach: Crap.


I support the death penalty for Penn State's football program because of a system of abuse that's almost old enough to consider which college it'll attend.

Had any, any of those who learned of the abuse taken the steps necessary to report it and to ensure that the right authorities investigated it when they learned of it, I would not feel this way. They grew a system rife with sexual abuse. The whole thing needs to be shut down to let all recover. The collective they do not deserve to have a program anymore, as apparently one of that program's core tenets was to sexually abuse boys. Had they taken steps to deal with it, oh, a decade ago, there would have been bad publicity, there might have even been firings due to some staff members' choices to not address it, but it wouldn't have been such a vast conspiracy like it became.
 
2012-07-13 04:45:06 PM

cgraves67: While I can understand why peope favor shuttung down Penn State athletics, I don't think it's wise. It really disincentivises whistleblowing. A person who is considering ratting out their personnel or program will observe that it would have a negative effect on their own livelihood.

Asst. Coach: I saw what the coach did. I'm going to the police!

Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined.

Asst. Coach: Crap.


Umm, no. The whole reason this is a big deal is because the whistleblower went to JoePa and then they covered it up.

If this got flushed out 14 years ago when it came to light, JoePa would still be a hero today, instead he's a POS and Penn St. deserves the death penalty.
 
2012-07-13 04:48:41 PM

Babwa Wawa: Very few people would be calling for the program to be shut down if they had actually taken real action against Sandusky in 1998 instead of allowing him to continue raping children on school grounds for 14 years.


This is my biggest biatch - and even if no action was taken in 1998 it *was* investigated by the police then. In 2001 there is no question that law enforcement should have been involved. They were concerned about looking bad - they would have looked like heroes. Farking morons and kids suffer because of it.

How much pain could have been avoided if they thought about the true "big picture"?

/Can see Beaver Stadium from my kitchen window
//Lives under 1000 feet from Sandusky's "old" house
 
2012-07-13 04:48:52 PM

ChaosStar: The NCAA doesn't punish things like child molestation, that's not their job.


The NCAA wouldn't be punishing that. Just as they don't punish gambling. What they do punish is in engaging in acts to cover up such activities, lying about the cover ups etc etc.
 
2012-07-13 04:50:14 PM
Really Subby? I don't see any correlation between PennSt. And what CalTech did.

Big difference between the NCAA handing out a deserved punishment for rules violaions.
And the fact that some sick f*ck raped young boys on PSU campus and people knew about it and did nothing!
 
2012-07-13 04:50:27 PM

cgraves67: While I can understand why peope favor shuttung down Penn State athletics, I don't think it's wise. It really disincentivises whistleblowing. A person who is considering ratting out their personnel or program will observe that it would have a negative effect on their own livelihood.

Asst. Coach: I saw what the coach did. I'm going to the police!

Athletics Director: If you do, the NCAA will shut down the program and we'll all be out of a job and the school will lose money and our reputation will be ruined. he'll get arrested and you'll be a local hero for a few weeks for turning him in.

Asst. Coach: Crap. Yeah, that's the point.

AD: Just checking. Feel free to use my phone.


FTFY
 
2012-07-13 04:50:50 PM

slykens1: How much pain could have been avoided if they thought about the true "big picture"?


The only big picture they appeared to care about is their ranking.
 
2012-07-13 04:51:10 PM

MBK: Remember, if you are a student and get caught doing something you aren't supposed to (selling autographs for tattoos, accepting dinner from a booster, etc etc), your entire program suffers, you forfeit past wins, you get hit by sanctions, and your entire program suffers for years.

If you are Penn State Football, however, your head coach can cover up a sexual abuse scandal for 14 years and suddenly "that is outside the NCAA's jurisdiction"

It is bullshiat. Shut down Penn State football for 2-3 years, let the mouth breathers on ESPN biatch and moan about it (but they always must mention how the real victims are the kids) and move on.

Someone said that "Does one bad thing ruin years of good behavior". In this case? Yes. 14 years of covering up a child rapist makes up for the library he donated money to and the other charitable work he did. Do you know why? Because a library can't get raped in the goddamn shower by a 60 year old man.

fark Penn State and fark the Paterno family and fark Joe Pa.


i3.asn.im
 
2012-07-13 04:51:28 PM
Caltech should think about that the next time they aren't Penn State.
 
2012-07-13 04:54:43 PM
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
 
2012-07-13 04:54:50 PM
Farking typical. My brother and I both competed in the NCAA in Divsion III schools (same div as Caltech). The NCAA loves to drop the hammer on small schools. Both of our teams (swimming) got in trouble for small things like attending swim meets on weekends we weren't supposed to. Everyone was academically eligible, nobody was abusing illegal drugs or committing crimes, but the NCAA was always breathing down our necks.

Meanwhile, felonies go unpunished at major football programs across the country.

College athletics are a good thing, but the NCAA needs to either start enforcing its rules equally, or at least quit pretending to do so.
 
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