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(Reuters)   Facebook's spy software finds an underage user, do they A) Ban the child's account B) Email the child's parents or C) Call the police who arrest the 30 year old man she was talking to? Oh and facebook is spying on all your chats   (reuters.com) divider line 58
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2012-07-13 02:33:21 PM
This is great.. I mean if the government were doing this I would have a shiat fit but this is a private company and we have a choice to use them or not. It's not like Facebook is known for it's privacy either subby.

Knowing this I would be more likely to allow my 11 year old son to use some social media. Of course I also have a keylogger on his computer so I can make sure he's not engaging in nefarious activities or more importantly no one is trying to engage him.
 
2012-07-13 03:03:16 PM

xynix: This is great.. I mean if the government were doing this I would have a shiat fit but this is a private company and we have a choice to use them or not. It's not like Facebook is known for it's privacy either subby.

Knowing this I would be more likely to allow my 11 year old son to use some social media. Of course I also have a keylogger on his computer so I can make sure he's not engaging in nefarious activities or more importantly no one is trying to engage him.


Wow, just wow. Somebody who actually cares enough to be involved with their child. Good for you.
 
2012-07-13 03:04:37 PM

xynix: Of course I also have a keylogger on his computer so I can make sure he's not engaging in nefarious activities or more importantly no one is trying to engage him.



longtermtourists.com

/assume it's more then a keylogger than
 
2012-07-13 03:31:07 PM
Facebook sucks down every iota of information you bring anywhere near it, that's the business plan. Of course they're monitoring your chat messages.
 
2012-07-13 03:32:53 PM
Oh and facebook is spying on all your chats

Was this actually an unknown to people? A company that makes its money on aggregating user data was assumed to not be logging chat sessions?
 
2012-07-13 03:36:03 PM
Well shiat. No more drug deals over Facebook for me then.
 
2012-07-13 03:39:02 PM

zedster: xynix: Of course I also have a keylogger on his computer so I can make sure he's not engaging in nefarious activities or more importantly no one is trying to engage him.


[longtermtourists.com image 197x151]

/assume it's more then a keylogger than


Well, when you check the log you can read him: not talking to people (so he is ignoring them or not getting them), telling people to fark off, or chatting with strangers. My dad had one on my computer when I was younger. I suspected it, so I opened a few chats and wrote the worst stuff my 13 year old mind could think of. We had a "discussion" the next day.

Also some keyloggers have an email/data archive function to post out daily updates.
 
2012-07-13 03:39:44 PM

OriginalGamer: Well shiat. No more drug deals over Facebook for me then.


Yeah lets stick to Fark for that...

Three Kilos of Bath-Salts please!
 
2012-07-13 03:39:57 PM
People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?
 
2012-07-13 03:40:02 PM
Last month the maker of a smartphone app called Skout, designed for flirtation with strangers in the same area, admitted its use had led to sexual assaults on three teenagers by adults.

I think the desire to sexually assault someone led to the sexual assaults.

a journalist posing as an 11-year-old girl was bombarded with explicit remarks and requests that she disrobe on webcam.

This is obviously terrible, but there is nothing to indicate that adults were the people sending these messages. Some of the online conversations I had at 13 when AOL was the only game in town would get me thrown in jail today.
 
2012-07-13 03:40:43 PM
You didn't just think they were giving you this powerful networking tool for free, did you?

Nobody feels that entitled, right?
 
2012-07-13 03:41:36 PM

xynix: Knowing this I would be more likely to allow my 11 year old son to use some social media.


Except that's against federal law in the United States.

Meet the braindead COPPA that was a piece of kneejerk "but the children!" legislation passed in the early days of the Internet.

We'll keep children safe on the Internet, by making it illegal for them to use the Internet! Brilliant!
 
2012-07-13 03:44:34 PM
They aren't spying on any of my chats because I don't have a Facebook.
 
2012-07-13 03:48:19 PM

airsupport: You didn't just think they were giving you this powerful networking tool for free, did you?

Nobody feels that entitled, right?


Sadly, some of the users do not realize and will act outraged if you mentioned they are being pimped out and spied on.
Oh, the hugemanatee; I weep for it.
 
2012-07-13 03:53:33 PM
Data mined sure, but going out of their way to tattle on their users? Hrm, slippery slope, slippery indeed.

/good use of such a slope in this case though
 
2012-07-13 04:03:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This is obviously terrible, but there is nothing to indicate that adults were the people sending these messages. Some of the online conversations I had at 13 when AOL was the only game in town would get me thrown in jail today.


I seem to remember some article a year or so ago....
A 18/19 year old female voluteer for a 'to catch a predator' style operation was chatting with some guy, made it clear to him that she was underage, and they arranged to meet. However, when the police showed up, it turned out that the 30-something man she was supposed to meet was actually a 14 year old boy - leaving the cops to try to figure out whether to charge the volunteer for soliticing a minor.
 
2012-07-13 04:05:24 PM

airsupport: You didn't just think they were giving you this powerful networking tool for free, did you?

Nobody feels that entitled, right?


dl.dropbox.com

An oldie, but a goodie.
 
2012-07-13 04:14:03 PM
Sounds like subby is a bitter pedo.
 
2012-07-13 04:49:08 PM
FTA
"shocked child-safety experts and technology professionals"

I know what a technology professional is, but what is a child-safety expert? Where do they practice their profession? What degrees do they hold? And who hires them?
 
2012-07-13 04:57:03 PM

Surool: People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?


People still use Facebook? As way south reminded me, I try not to be the product - and if you're using Facebook, well, you're the product.
 
2012-07-13 05:04:16 PM
I suddenly want to set up a fake facebook account and pretend to try to hook up with my 14 year old daughter (with her knowing what is going on), just to see what happens...
 
2012-07-13 05:17:30 PM
Last month the maker of a smartphone app called Skout, designed for flirtation with strangers in the same area, admitted its use had led to sexual assaults on three teenagers by adults. The venture-backed firm had not verified that users of its now-shuttered teen section were under 20, giving predators easy access.

In other news, it you're under 20, you can't be a sexual predator.
 
2012-07-13 05:46:11 PM

wippit: I suddenly want to set up a fake facebook account and pretend to try to hook up with my 14 year old daughter (with her knowing what is going on), just to see what happens...


Riiiiiight....
 
2012-07-13 05:49:33 PM

ELKAY: FTA
"shocked child-safety experts and technology professionals"

I know what a technology professional is, but what is a child-safety expert? Where do they practice their profession? What degrees do they hold? And who hires them?


They have a MRS degree and work as full time busy bodies and hand wringers. They get employed in small communes where one member does work valued by others, while the child safety expert gets to watch dr phil to keep up to date with the latest industry methodology.
 
2012-07-13 06:10:11 PM

wippit: I suddenly want to set up a fake facebook account and pretend to try to hook up with my 14 year old daughter (with her knowing what is going on), just to see what happens...



Because I was blackmailed into watching my now 12 year old cousin's facebook wall to ensure she's using it safely, I considered this.

Unfortunately, you can't make a fake page without photos, and trying to find photos of child predators is not a very good GIS, so that project went away in a hurry. It's probably also a bad idea to search for enough photos of children to make myself a convincing member of her peers.

//now I bribe a close friend of hers to warn me if she does something stupid on facebook. And she has several times. I can't wait until she's 13 so it won't be my problem.

//kids today seem to think that sharing their passwords with one another so they can post fake "hack" messages is alright. I mean, seriously, more than anything else, I've caught her with those types of messages on her facebook wall. one little boy posted his own password PUBLICLY on her wall because he wanted her to "hack" him. I've also had to force her to remove: a boy in her class who changed his name to "threeway," a twenty something woman who I'm told tried to get her and several of her friends to take their clothes off via webcam, a video app for facebook that I know to be unmonitored, a guy who changed his name to a word referencing his penis, six different boys she friended who's big timeline photo at the top of the page was them shirtless, one 14 year old girl who's photo was her in a bra, and several facebook pages she liked that have what I consider inappropriate content for her (why a 12 year old girl would press "like" for a band called "Naked Brothers" is beyond me. she also once tried to like the Pabst Blue Ribbon page for some reason). I finally had to explain to her the concept of blackmail, and subtly hint to her that maybe a separate facebook for her friends and one for her family, like i have, might be in order. Her activity on the facebook that I can see has declined, and quite frankly, that's fine with me, since I no longer need to watch so closely.

My kids will not have facebook pages until 13, when they don't need my permission. They certainly will have their activities online closely monitored at all times while living in my house.
 
2012-07-13 07:17:18 PM

IronJelly: wippit: I suddenly want to set up a fake facebook account and pretend to try to hook up with my 14 year old daughter (with her knowing what is going on), just to see what happens...


Because I was blackmailed into watching my now 12 year old cousin's facebook wall to ensure she's using it safely, I considered this.

Unfortunately, you can't make a fake page without photos, and trying to find photos of child predators is not a very good GIS, so that project went away in a hurry. It's probably also a bad idea to search for enough photos of children to make myself a convincing member of her peers.

//now I bribe a close friend of hers to warn me if she does something stupid on facebook. And she has several times. I can't wait until she's 13 so it won't be my problem.

//kids today seem to think that sharing their passwords with one another so they can post fake "hack" messages is alright. I mean, seriously, more than anything else, I've caught her with those types of messages on her facebook wall. one little boy posted his own password PUBLICLY on her wall because he wanted her to "hack" him. I've also had to force her to remove: a boy in her class who changed his name to "threeway," a twenty something woman who I'm told tried to get her and several of her friends to take their clothes off via webcam, a video app for facebook that I know to be unmonitored, a guy who changed his name to a word referencing his penis, six different boys she friended who's big timeline photo at the top of the page was them shirtless, one 14 year old girl who's photo was her in a bra, and several facebook pages she liked that have what I consider inappropriate content for her (why a 12 year old girl would press "like" for a band called "Naked Brothers" is beyond me. she also once tried to like the Pabst Blue Ribbon page for some reason). I finally had to explain to her the concept of blackmail, and subtly hint to her that maybe a separate facebook for her friends and one for her f ...


How is this your responsibility or concern? If her parents aren't available and it is an issue just shut the goddamn thing down.
WTF is wrong with you sheeple?
 
2012-07-13 07:22:09 PM

airsupport: You didn't just think they were giving you this powerful networking tool for free, did you?

Nobody feels that entitled, right?


Hang on... Fark is free. Does this mean they are selling my info? OMG!!!!!

Ned Stark: They aren't spying on any of my chats because I don't have a Facebook.


They aren't spying on any of my chats because I don't do online chats.

I prefer to see my victims friends, face to face.

Chevello: wippit: I suddenly want to set up a fake facebook account and pretend to try to hook up with my 14 year old daughter (with her knowing what is going on), just to see what happens...

Riiiiiight....


Who's the daddy?
 
2012-07-13 07:23:38 PM

Nezorf: zedster: xynix: Of course I also have a keylogger on his computer so I can make sure he's not engaging in nefarious activities or more importantly no one is trying to engage him.


[longtermtourists.com image 197x151]

/assume it's more then a keylogger than

Well, when you check the log you can read him: not talking to people (so he is ignoring them or not getting them), telling people to fark off, or chatting with strangers. My dad had one on my computer when I was younger. I suspected it, so I opened a few chats and wrote the worst stuff my 13 year old mind could think of. We had a "discussion" the next day.

Also some keyloggers have an email/data archive function to post out daily updates.


As the article states, most child predators are people they know as online predators are very rare. On Fark this mean their teachers and priests.

I suggest you have him wear a microphone so you can monitor him when he is most vulnerable - at school or in a confessional.
 
2012-07-13 08:11:17 PM

Karac: I seem to remember some article a year or so ago....
A 18/19 year old female voluteer for a 'to catch a predator' style operation was chatting with some guy, made it clear to him that she was underage, and they arranged to meet. However, when the police showed up, it turned out that the 30-something man she was supposed to meet was actually a 14 year old boy - leaving the cops to try to figure out whether to charge the volunteer for soliticing a minor.


lol that is awesome.
 
2012-07-13 08:22:27 PM
Call Facebook and option 2 is their law enforcement hotline. Seriously. Before anything except their customer service voicemail box is dedicated to only law enforcement.

Do you really think it's only because of a few sexual predators they find each year?
 
2012-07-13 09:03:11 PM

IronJelly: a guy who changed his name to a word referencing his penis


It's a very common nickname for Richard.
 
2012-07-13 09:14:46 PM
IronJelly:
why a 12 year old girl would press "like" for a band called "Naked Brothers" is beyond me

i.imgur.com

Beats me, man...

/don't "take a drink right from the hose"... phthalates.
 
2012-07-13 09:17:51 PM

IronJelly: several facebook pages she liked that have what I consider inappropriate content for her (why a 12 year old girl would press "like" for a band called "Naked Brothers" is beyond me.


IMDB link for The Naked Brothers Band on Nickelodeon

An entirely valid reason to like the page. If you're a 12 year old girl.
 
2012-07-13 10:48:52 PM

IronJelly: why a 12 year old girl would press "like" for a band called "Naked Brothers" is beyond me


That was me in grade nine, baby, that was me in grade nine
 
2012-07-13 11:41:07 PM

wippit: I suddenly want to set up a fake facebook account and pretend to try to hook up with my 14 year old daughter (with her knowing what is going on), just to see what happens...


That my friend, is the worst idea I have heard all month. And I have checked Fark almost every day this month, so you know I have seen some bad ones.
 
2012-07-14 12:04:38 AM

way south: airsupport: You didn't just think they were giving you this powerful networking tool for free, did you?

Nobody feels that entitled, right?

[dl.dropbox.com image 478x423]

An oldie, but a goodie.

2.bp.blogspot.com
Facebook is (made of) PEOPLE!! Nooo!!!
 
2012-07-14 12:36:16 AM
Big deal.

I am waiting for the real Facebook "gotcha" to happen. You know, the one where millions of users all get seriously farked over and Facebook has to go to federal court and gets convicted but only gets a slap on the wrist and collapses because nobody uses it after that. That is what I am saving up my popcorn for. Because it is going to happen. Everyone knows it is going to happen. But nobody seems to be able to tear themselves away from it in time to save themselves from the consequences.

I love natural selection...and I will laugh at you all through salty butter-flavored lips.
 
2012-07-14 01:45:23 AM
What was the crime? tl;dr, but it said solicitation, but didn't give details. Surely requesting to meet someone is not a crime, even if they are a minor.
 
2012-07-14 03:47:27 AM

SevenizGud: What was the crime? tl;dr, but it said solicitation, but didn't give details. Surely requesting to meet someone is not a crime, even if they are a minor.


Likely they were going to have sexual activity... which would be.
 
2012-07-14 04:34:12 AM

FormlessOne: Surool: People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?

People still use Facebook? As way south reminded me, I try not to be the product - and if you're using Facebook, well, you're the product.


Do you listen to the radio? Do you watch broadcast television? Do you download free apps for your iWhatever? Well, guess what? You're the product. Why is it a big deal if you're the product on Facebook, but not those other technologies?
 
2012-07-14 04:59:47 AM

Balchinian: Big deal.

I am waiting for the real Facebook "gotcha" to happen. You know, the one where millions of users all get seriously farked over and Facebook has to go to federal court and gets convicted but only gets a slap on the wrist and collapses because nobody uses it after that. That is what I am saving up my popcorn for. Because it is going to happen. Everyone knows it is going to happen. But nobody seems to be able to tear themselves away from it in time to save themselves from the consequences.

I love natural selection...and I will laugh at you all through salty butter-flavored lips.


"salty butter-flavored lips..." *sigh* movie time make-out, i miss it so much....
 
2012-07-14 08:18:11 AM
Deactivated my fb 4 or 5 months ago.was bored of it for 1, didn't like family posting pix of my pre teen girls very much, and also got tired of my cousin's 18yr old kid posting pictures of half a dozen guns, and an oz of weed, and a case of beer on his tailgate with the headline; "typical Saturday night". What do you comment on something like that? Look out grave or penitentiary, here i come!
 
2012-07-14 08:22:04 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Do you listen to the radio? Do you watch broadcast television? Do you download free apps for your iWhatever? Well, guess what? You're the product. Why is it a big deal if you're the product on Facebook, but not those other technologies?


None of those things spy on everything that you do and sell the information to whoever wants it.
 
2012-07-14 10:49:05 AM

xynix: I also have a keylogger on his computer so I can make sure he's not engaging in nefarious activities or more importantly no one is trying to engage him.


ಠ_ಠ

You do realize key loggers log keystrokes on the HOST computer only, not the remote computer, right?

You want a packet sniffer or a screen recording system to catch someone engaging your child. Or make sure that your child's chats are all logged, that he cannot turn the logging off, and be sure to read every single one of your child's IM's.
 
2012-07-14 12:08:31 PM

Ooba Tooba: Deactivated my fb 4 or 5 months ago.was bored of it for 1, didn't like family posting pix of my pre teen girls very much, and also got tired of my cousin's 18yr old kid posting pictures of half a dozen guns, and an oz of weed, and a case of beer on his tailgate with the headline; "typical Saturday night". What do you comment on something like that? Look out grave or penitentiary, here i come!


That is the correct response.
 
2012-07-15 02:52:41 AM

Mike Chewbacca: FormlessOne: Surool: People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?

People still use Facebook? As way south reminded me, I try not to be the product - and if you're using Facebook, well, you're the product.

Do you listen to the radio? Do you watch broadcast television? Do you download free apps for your iWhatever? Well, guess what? You're the product. Why is it a big deal if you're the product on Facebook, but not those other technologies?


False equivalency with TV and radio. They may estimate that I am viewing/listening, but they do not have any of my info ever. No, I am not stupid enough to download free apps for the same reason I do not put real info on Facebook.
 
2012-07-16 12:52:55 PM

Surool: Mike Chewbacca: FormlessOne: Surool: People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?

People still use Facebook? As way south reminded me, I try not to be the product - and if you're using Facebook, well, you're the product.

Do you listen to the radio? Do you watch broadcast television? Do you download free apps for your iWhatever? Well, guess what? You're the product. Why is it a big deal if you're the product on Facebook, but not those other technologies?

False equivalency with TV and radio. They may estimate that I am viewing/listening, but they do not have any of my info ever. No, I am not stupid enough to download free apps for the same reason I do not put real info on Facebook.


Discount cards at grocery stores? Best equivalency I can come up with - they're [almost] literally real-life cookies. They track what you buy, when you buy it, where you buy it, they're incentivized enough to be of some value to you, but are done mostly for logistics and advertising.
 
2012-07-16 01:44:50 PM

ProfessorOhki: Surool: Mike Chewbacca: FormlessOne: Surool: People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?

People still use Facebook? As way south reminded me, I try not to be the product - and if you're using Facebook, well, you're the product.

Do you listen to the radio? Do you watch broadcast television? Do you download free apps for your iWhatever? Well, guess what? You're the product. Why is it a big deal if you're the product on Facebook, but not those other technologies?

False equivalency with TV and radio. They may estimate that I am viewing/listening, but they do not have any of my info ever. No, I am not stupid enough to download free apps for the same reason I do not put real info on Facebook.

Discount cards at grocery stores? Best equivalency I can come up with - they're [almost] literally real-life cookies. They track what you buy, when you buy it, where you buy it, they're incentivized enough to be of some value to you, but are done mostly for logistics and advertising.


I don't have a discount card either.

You obviously have no problem being the product. I don't like the idea. Accept it and let's be done here.
 
2012-07-16 02:25:26 PM

Surool: ProfessorOhki: Surool: Mike Chewbacca: FormlessOne: Surool: People still pass sensitive or private information on through Facebook servers?

People still use Facebook? As way south reminded me, I try not to be the product - and if you're using Facebook, well, you're the product.

Do you listen to the radio? Do you watch broadcast television? Do you download free apps for your iWhatever? Well, guess what? You're the product. Why is it a big deal if you're the product on Facebook, but not those other technologies?

False equivalency with TV and radio. They may estimate that I am viewing/listening, but they do not have any of my info ever. No, I am not stupid enough to download free apps for the same reason I do not put real info on Facebook.

Discount cards at grocery stores? Best equivalency I can come up with - they're [almost] literally real-life cookies. They track what you buy, when you buy it, where you buy it, they're incentivized enough to be of some value to you, but are done mostly for logistics and advertising.

I don't have a discount card either.

You obviously have no problem being the product. I don't like the idea. Accept it and let's be done here.


As long as I retain control over what info I put into the system - nope, not really.

At least no more so than I have granting Drew a non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform this post in connection with Fark.com and Fark.com's business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of Fark.com (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels/outlets.
 
2012-07-16 05:16:16 PM

ProfessorOhki: You obviously have no problem being the product. I don't like the idea. Accept it and let's be done here.

As long as I retain control over what info I put into the system - nope, not really.

At least no more so than I have granting Drew a non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform this post in connection with Fark.com and Fark.com's business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of Fark.com (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels/outlets.


You do not have that control on Facebook, which is what the subject was before you tried to change it.

Case closed.
 
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