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(Wisconsin State Journal)   Wisconsin Governor Walker says ObamaCare will be devastating to Wisconsin..... causing people to lose their insurance, cows to die by the thousands, cheese to turn into sand and everyone's left foot will fall off   (host.madison.com) divider line 80
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2012-07-13 02:06:33 PM  
it's ok - just sell off more state assets to your corporate buddies and its all good.
 
2012-07-13 02:32:48 PM  
Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!
 
2012-07-13 03:15:02 PM  
Wait, I thought it was the Teachers Unions that were destroying your shiatty state?
 
2012-07-13 03:15:31 PM  
Who cares what that dirty c*nt thinks.
 
2012-07-13 03:16:49 PM  
Healthcare will kill us all.
 
2012-07-13 03:17:10 PM  
Who is Scott Walker?

I can't recall.
 
2012-07-13 03:17:50 PM  
You know, I've been meaning to get rid of my left foot for a while now. Do I have to move to Wisconsin for it to happen, or can I just visit?
 
2012-07-13 03:19:50 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Healthcare will kill us all.


As it consumes a greater and greater percentage of the economy, it just might.
 
2012-07-13 03:20:15 PM  

Teufelaffe: You know, I've been meaning to get rid of my left foot for a while now. Do I have to move to Wisconsin for it to happen, or can I just visit?


Just mail it back to netflicks.
 
2012-07-13 03:21:19 PM  
God Bless Scott Walker!!!
 
2012-07-13 03:22:05 PM  
Drought and diabetes will have the many of the same effect and they're both prevalent right now in this state.
 
2012-07-13 03:24:27 PM  
Dear Scotty,
I'm one of your constituents paying for myself and my wife to partake in the state sponsored HIRSP program. With exchanges set up, we could maybe consider another choice besides the one and only choice afforded to us, subsidized by Wisconsin insurance companies and the state.
Thank you,
-Petey4335
 
2012-07-13 03:24:38 PM  
www.wearysloth.com

"My brother, he had the brilliant idea of picking his toenails with a scythe... and his foot fell off."
 
2012-07-13 03:25:20 PM  

Wook: God Bless Scott Walker!!!


I see a ton of those bumper stickers and lawn signs on the drive up to and in the Fox Cities. How anyone can think the governor selling state assets to his corporate overlords and disbanding unions is a good thing is beyond me.
 
2012-07-13 03:27:40 PM  
-- 150,000 people will stop buying health insurance in the private sector and will instead become dependent on the government and taxpayers

How is that possible? Isn't the point of the whole thing that people have to buy insurance?

Approximately 122,000 parents, caretakers and pregnant women with an income of more than 133 percent of the federal poverty level will no longer be eligible for Medicaid.

Yeah I'm sure Scott Walker is in favor of expanding Medicaid.
 
2012-07-13 03:28:08 PM  

jigger: HotWingConspiracy: Healthcare will kill us all.

As it consumes a greater and greater percentage of the economy, it just might.


We're the richest nation in the entirety of human history. We just have idiotic priorities.
 
2012-07-13 03:30:36 PM  
My Gov can beat your Gov any day!
-Sincerely, AZ
 
2012-07-13 03:30:46 PM  

Imperialism: How is that possible? Isn't the point of the whole thing that people have to buy insurance?


One talking is point is that there doesn't seem to be anything stopping businesses from getting downright terrible (for coverage or price) plans to offer their employees. Employees say "Aw, Hell Naw!" and have to go to the exchanges, not their employer, for coverage.
 
2012-07-13 03:32:21 PM  
Scott Walker has said some incredibly stupid shiat, but this is the dumbest yet: he's the North's answer to Nikki Haley.
 
2012-07-13 03:34:23 PM  
Walker failed to mention what Gruber said was a key finding of his report; the fact that 340,000 uninsured Wisconsinites would gain coverage.

Not sure whether to feel sorry for people living in Wisconsin nowadays or just say "Hey, you had your chance, suck it".

Depends a lot on my current state of caffeination.
 
2012-07-13 03:35:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: jigger: HotWingConspiracy: Healthcare will kill us all.

As it consumes a greater and greater percentage of the economy, it just might.

We're the richest nation in the entirety of human history. We just have idiotic priorities.


Well spend a billion dollars on something that doesnt work just because we can... Persistent yes efficient or smart no....
 
2012-07-13 03:37:29 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Imperialism: How is that possible? Isn't the point of the whole thing that people have to buy insurance?

One talking is point is that there doesn't seem to be anything stopping businesses from getting downright terrible (for coverage or price) plans to offer their employees. Employees say "Aw, Hell Naw!" and have to go to the exchanges, not their employer, for coverage.


Scott Walker would be in favor of tighter regulations on that, right?
 
2012-07-13 03:37:35 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Imperialism: How is that possible? Isn't the point of the whole thing that people have to buy insurance?

One talking is point is that there doesn't seem to be anything stopping businesses from getting downright terrible (for coverage or price) plans to offer their employees.


So, basically exactly like right now. Except that all plans are also covered by the profit limit regulations.
 
2012-07-13 03:41:09 PM  
Wisconsin Governor Walker says ObamaCare will be devastating to Wisconsin

So what's he afraid of, copyright infringement?
 
2012-07-13 03:41:40 PM  

Virulency: Well spend a billion dollars on something that doesnt work just because we can... Persistent yes efficient or smart no....


Whatever we've been doing up till now certainly doesn't work, that's for sure.
 
2012-07-13 03:42:34 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Imperialism: How is that possible? Isn't the point of the whole thing that people have to buy insurance?

One talking is point is that there doesn't seem to be anything stopping businesses from getting downright terrible (for coverage or price) plans to offer their employees. Employees say "Aw, Hell Naw!" and have to go to the exchanges, not their employer, for coverage.


Why don't employers do that now? I would think the same reasons the employers subsidized health insurance now would apply in the future.
 
2012-07-13 03:43:16 PM  
So basically in Wisconsin you should only be entitled to healthcare if it is an emergency or of you are rich?
 
2012-07-13 03:44:10 PM  

quatchi: Walker failed to mention what Gruber said was a key finding of his report; the fact that 340,000 uninsured Wisconsinites would gain coverage.

Not sure whether to feel sorry for people living in Wisconsin nowadays or just say "Hey, you had your chance, suck it".

Depends a lot on my current state of caffeination.


nerdunlimited.com
 
2012-07-13 03:48:19 PM  

machoprogrammer: Wook: God Bless Scott Walker!!!

I see a ton of those bumper stickers and lawn signs on the drive up to and in the Fox Cities. How anyone can think the governor selling state assets to his corporate overlords and disbanding unions is a good thing is beyond me.


His cajones and policies would actually fix the problems plaguing CA. How anyone can think that putting state employee unions (private sector funded) above its citizens (private sector) is beyond me.
 
2012-07-13 03:49:54 PM  
Now we know what Flagg looks like from The Stand - Mr. Scott Walker
 
2012-07-13 03:51:04 PM  

Wook: His cajones and policies would actually fix the problems plaguing CA. How anyone can think that putting state employee unions (private sector funded) above its citizens (private sector) is beyond me.


Then why has Walker taken that power for himself, much like a good little ALEC representative?
 
2012-07-13 03:51:57 PM  

Wook: How anyone can think that putting state employee unions (private sector funded) above its citizens (private sector) is beyond me.


What?
 
2012-07-13 03:52:30 PM  

TimonC346: So basically in Wisconsin you should only be entitled to healthcare if it is an emergency or of you are rich?


No. You don't need a healthcare insurance card anymore, just an ALEC membership card.
 
2012-07-13 03:53:30 PM  

fringedmyotis: Virulency: Well spend a billion dollars on something that doesnt work just because we can... Persistent yes efficient or smart no....

Whatever we've been doing up till now certainly doesn't work, that's for sure.


A lot of data that goes into those stats are not uniformly counted. For instance, in the US infant mortality counts all baby deaths including stillborns, premies, etc. Most countries do not count it like this.

Link
 
2012-07-13 03:53:47 PM  

Wook: machoprogrammer: Wook: God Bless Scott Walker!!!

I see a ton of those bumper stickers and lawn signs on the drive up to and in the Fox Cities. How anyone can think the governor selling state assets to his corporate overlords and disbanding unions is a good thing is beyond me.

His cajones and policies would actually fix the problems plaguing CA. How anyone can think that putting state employee unions (private sector funded) above its citizens (private sector) is beyond me.


Hence why he exempted police and firefighters unions, you know, because those aren't state employee unions...
 
2012-07-13 03:54:03 PM  

Imperialism: Ken VeryBigLiar: Imperialism: How is that possible? Isn't the point of the whole thing that people have to buy insurance?

One talking is point is that there doesn't seem to be anything stopping businesses from getting downright terrible (for coverage or price) plans to offer their employees. Employees say "Aw, Hell Naw!" and have to go to the exchanges, not their employer, for coverage.

Scott Walker would be in favor of tighter regulations on that, right?


He's OK with tighter regulations on anyone that isn't a businessperson or kowtows to business - by virtue of his regulations that he has enacted and the debts Walker created.
 
2012-07-13 03:56:09 PM  
And this will happen again...

cdn100.iofferphoto.com
 
2012-07-13 03:57:44 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Hence why he exempted police and firefighters unions, you know, because those aren't state employee unions...


Walker didn't want it to blow up in his face like it did in Ohio. Had Walker tried to shove a consistent bill, he'd have to make the same sheepish apology for trying the bill.

Thankfully for my home state, Kasich had the arrogance to try. The result was a repealed bill, a governor stripped of his ALEC mandate to reign, and a state that has prospered in ways that Walker couldn't ever imagine.
 
2012-07-13 03:58:22 PM  

Graffito: Why don't employers do that now? I would think the same reasons the employers subsidized health insurance now would apply in the future.


Not when you could be staring at about a 30% rate hike (the max you can ask for from the state in a year) from providers.

/Not reporting fact, just what I've read on the "other side".
 
2012-07-13 03:59:03 PM  
In all fairness, all those things happened in Massachusetts after Romneycare was enacted. Right?
 
2012-07-13 03:59:10 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Teufelaffe: You know, I've been meaning to get rid of my left foot for a while now. Do I have to move to Wisconsin for it to happen, or can I just visit?

Just mail it back to netflicks.


Got here late an nobody had responded. This was a good one. It took me a second to get it.
 
2012-07-13 03:59:40 PM  

Weaver95: it's ok - just sell off more state assets to your corporate buddies and its all good.


That's the real debt for accepting the help of ALEC - you have to sell off state assets - for any of the 2010 governors. The "insolvency" to get the union restriction bill is the fake one.
 
2012-07-13 04:00:27 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Hence why he exempted police and firefighters unions, you know, because those aren't state employee unions...


Ahh, bullshiat Link

/AFSCME also represents or represented some PD's.
 
2012-07-13 04:02:17 PM  

TimonC346: So basically in Wisconsin you should only be entitled to healthcare if it is an emergency or of you are rich?


Only if you're rich AND have an emergency. Everyone else can just pull their bootstraps if they want to live.
 
2012-07-13 04:04:29 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: quatchi: Walker failed to mention what Gruber said was a key finding of his report; the fact that 340,000 uninsured Wisconsinites would gain coverage.

Not sure whether to feel sorry for people living in Wisconsin nowadays or just say "Hey, you had your chance, suck it".

Depends a lot on my current state of caffeination.

[diehardgruber]


Thought his name was Bill Clay.
 
2012-07-13 04:07:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: TimonC346: So basically in Wisconsin you should only be entitled to healthcare if it is an emergency or of you are rich?

Only if you're rich AND have an emergency. Everyone else can just pull their bootstraps if they want to live.


No silly, just dial 912.
 
2012-07-13 04:10:01 PM  

Raoul Eaton: In all fairness, all those things happened in Massachusetts after Romneycare was enacted. Right?


Well, MA had the highest insurance premiums in the country before Romneycare and they still have the highest.

i.imgur.com

The graph looks the same for all years since, except the average has gone up. Was the MA law called "Affordable Care"? If not, maybe that was the problem.

Also:

theincidentaleconomist.com

Damn, MA, you spend a lot on "health care".
 
2012-07-13 04:10:01 PM  
as a person living in Wisconsin, anything this guy does the next 2 yrs i'm fine with. We voted him in twice, so we should face the consequences of our actions. And if that means some poor hillbillies from anywhere outside the few main cities in our state hack off a limb in a tractor, or grandpa cant afford medicine, so f'n be it. I hope this gets the state democratic party off their fat ass and get us a person we can rally behind. Russ isn't coming out of retirement so get the hell over it
 
2012-07-13 04:14:56 PM  

GameSprocket: TrollingForColumbine: Teufelaffe: You know, I've been meaning to get rid of my left foot for a while now. Do I have to move to Wisconsin for it to happen, or can I just visit?

Just mail it back to netflicks.

Got here late an nobody had responded. This was a good one. It took me a second to get it.


I think most people here are on my lawn.
 
2012-07-13 04:26:55 PM  

jigger: A lot of data that goes into those stats are not uniformly counted. For instance, in the US infant mortality counts all baby deaths including stillborns, premies, etc. Most countries do not count it like this.

Link


Fair enough r/e infant mortality, although the link provided does not provide an amended ranking based on harmozined statisticals - just says the US would rank better than it does. Kind of weak to say something would have 'x' impact and then not provide 'x'. Or did I miss a link to new rankings?

The original link is to a composite study based on several variables? Where are the challenges to the rest? Again, sorry if I'm just going data blind & can't see it...
 
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