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(Washington Post)   While it's true Mitt Romney was CEO, sole owner, and managing director, he says he didn't have anything to do with Bain, so Obama is a liar. It's all laid out in this text wall of obfuscation   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-07-13 02:23:35 PM  

Dog Welder: This is more than enough to "Swift Boat" his electoral chances, though, and the GOP is rightly concerned about it. That's why you hear all the spinning and spinning and spinning from Rush, Hannity, etc. today.


I think it is, but it's going to pale in comparison to the first time he has to debate Obama. Mark my words, it's going to be epic. Flop sweat, the whole bit.

I think there's a really good chance that Romney is going to be the beginning of the end of the Republican party as it exists today. I realize that's a pretty tall order but I really do think it's possible. Likely, even.
 
2012-07-13 02:24:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: CEO is more of a figurehead type of position, I guess.


It comes with a figurehead salary and stock options.
 
2012-07-13 02:24:25 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: "We had examined many SEC documents related to Romney and Bain in January, and concluded that much of the language saying Romney was "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president" was boilerplate that did not reveal whether he was actually managing Bain at the time."


Bain Capital, Inc., a Delaware corporation ("Bain Capital"), is the sole
------------
managing partner of the BCIP entities. Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole
shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain
Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital.


[...]

After reasonable inquiry and to the best of its knowledge and belief, the
undersigned certifies that the information set forth in this Statement is true,
complete and correct.

Dated: July 13, 2000

[Source: SEC.gov]

Bain Capital, Inc., a Delaware corporation ("Bain Capital"), is the sole
------------
managing partner of the BCIP entities. Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole
shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain
Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital.


[...]


After reasonable inquiry and to the best of its knowledge and belief,
the undersigned certifies that the information set forth in this Statement is
true, complete and correct.
Dated: February 20, 2001


Yes, declaring yourself the sole shareholder of Bain Capital AND the sole director of Bain Capital AND the chief executive officer of Bain Capital AND the president of Bain Capital AND the controlling person of Bain Capital AND signing off on it as true, complete, and correct is certainly boilerplate.

The company votes for itself. It directs itself. It chairs its own meetings. It presides over itself. Oh, and it has no controlling person behind it.

I don't know about corporations in America, but I have incorporated in Canada, twice. If I filed shiat like this with Industry Canada and I was a shill director/president/chairman/shareholder/controller I would get dragged into court.
 
2012-07-13 02:24:50 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp.

Prove it. Even the MA Ballot Commission ascertained that he had left Bain in 1999.

""The Respondent remained actively employed at Bain Capital until January 1, 1999, at which time he left to take the position of President and Chief Executive Officer of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.""


You're still repeating this?
 
2012-07-13 02:24:52 PM  

Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hollie Maea: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hollie Maea: We get it--you want Romney to win.

Right, which is why I said upthread "Will still probably vote for Obama."

They always do.

"I'm probably the most liberal person around, but I think Obama has been hired by terrorists to destroy the country blah blah blah."

Hi, I don't think we've met. I'm a registered Republican. Have been for 14 years. I'm probably the least, non-troll, lib here.

I think the Republican Party left you behind a few years ago. It might have happened sometime around November 5, 2008, but I can't be completely sure of the exact timing.


It was long before that, I can tell you that. The National Party is not something I will identify with, but there are several good local organizations trying to elect local Republicans that I agree with. Those candidates have not achieved the status required to be tainted by the National Party.
 
2012-07-13 02:24:59 PM  
I just wish all you Libtards would stop saying it's "about a blowjob". We've been saying all along it's the lying under oath that matters!
 
2012-07-13 02:25:29 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp.

Prove it. Even the MA Ballot Commission ascertained that he had left Bain in 1999.


no need to prove it, just keep saying it and enough people will believe it.
 
2012-07-13 02:25:42 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: I get it.


What the fnck do you care? Hardly our fault the GOP quakes at the mention of his name.

Trolling?
 
2012-07-13 02:25:47 PM  
www.thestand.org

/oblig
 
2012-07-13 02:26:33 PM  

Deucednuisance: I just wish all you Libtards would stop saying it's "about a blowjob". We've been saying all along it's the lying under oath that matters!


That's a particularly cruel shot.
 
2012-07-13 02:27:05 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How many people screaming "this is no big deal" also scream "the long-form birth certificate was shooped!"


That would be "What is 100%, Alex?"
 
2012-07-13 02:27:43 PM  

whidbey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp.

Prove it. Even the MA Ballot Commission ascertained that he had left Bain in 1999.

""The Respondent remained actively employed at Bain Capital until January 1, 1999, at which time he left to take the position of President and Chief Executive Officer of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.""

You're still repeating this?


Sorry, were those not the findings of the MA Ballot Commission? Do they hold no weight?

Dr. Mojo PhD: Yes, declaring yourself the sole shareholder of Bain Capital AND the sole director of Bain Capital AND the chief executive officer of Bain Capital AND the president of Bain Capital AND the controlling person of Bain Capital AND signing off on it as true, complete, and correct is certainly boilerplate.


Yes, it actually is.

Dr. Mojo PhD: If I filed shiat like this with Industry Canada and I was a shill director/president/chairman/shareholder/controller I would get dragged into court.


Industry Canada must have differing rules as to what a CEO's duties must entail. Fortunately, the United States and the SEC do not. Because, honestly, I wouldn't take too kindly to an outside agency telling me the minimum requirements and job duties I must perform in order to give myself a title.
 
2012-07-13 02:27:50 PM  

Weaver95: Hollie Maea: In spite of the derp brigade in this thread assuring us all that this is a complete non story, Romney has signed up for three different (non Fox News) TV interviews today. I'm pretty sure that's more than he's done in at least the past six months.

Romney seems pretty afraid of the Bain capital commercials. between those and refusing to release his tax returns, he's getting kicked in the nuts over his 'business record'.


Frankly this starting to remind me a lot of the Kerry/Bush race. Kerry's biggest strength was that he actually fought in a war and was an actual war hero. The Bush team (brilliantly) made that a liability for Kerry.. it looks like President Obama learned from that race.

One thing is for sure, just like 30+ years of official records, official investigations and re-investigations proving Kerry right, didn't matter, Romney being cleared of any criminal charges won't matter. Being 'technically' not-guilty of any crime doesn't matter as much as the lies and the 'common sense' contradictions the Obama campaign can catch the Romney campaign on his Bain record. Heck, just having Romney on the ropes defending his biggest (and perhaps only) strength is a victory for the Obama team.
 
2012-07-13 02:28:00 PM  
As usual, I find myself leaning toward the less obvious lying rich corporate sycophant.

/seriously, these two candidates really suck
//I mean, Romney sucks way farking more, but still
///not a BSABSVR as voting Republican is pointless unless you're a millionaire
 
2012-07-13 02:28:02 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Better to herp, than to derp


Indeed. I couldn't agree more
 
2012-07-13 02:28:21 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hollie Maea: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hollie Maea: We get it--you want Romney to win.

Right, which is why I said upthread "Will still probably vote for Obama."

They always do.

"I'm probably the most liberal person around, but I think Obama has been hired by terrorists to destroy the country blah blah blah."

Hi, I don't think we've met. I'm a registered Republican. Have been for 14 years. I'm probably the least, non-troll, lib here.


Don't listen to Troll_Fingers. He's definitely a troll. The other day, he disputed the proposition that Trayvon Martin would still be alive today had not George Zimmerman accosted him with a loaded firearm. He did so by claiming that Martin could have been struck by lightning, or hit by a bus.

I dunno, I guess it's possible he really thought that was a compelling argument. In which case he's less of a troll than he is a lobotomy patient.
 
2012-07-13 02:28:29 PM  

Deucednuisance: I just wish all you Libtards would stop saying it's "about a blowjob". We've been saying all along it's the lying under oath that matters!


www.harrystone.net
 
2012-07-13 02:29:40 PM  

skullkrusher: imontheinternet: But at the same time, Mittens is trying to act like he completely walked away from Bain when he started working on the Olympics, as though he wasn't capable of picking up a phone to check in, offer input, and even approve decisions. The idea that one of the founders of the company would quit returning phone calls from executives simply because he was working on another project is ridiculous.

that's the gray area. I think he could very well have responded to requests for advice. This would put the lie to his claims to America that he had no involvement but I don't think it would make his statement on the OGE form false. Directing them to buy this or sell that, that would make his statement to the OGE false. Responding to a "hey Mitt, what do you think about this idea?" I think that might be something different.


I doubt we'll ever know the extent of his involvement in those years. Everyone with direct knowledge will have a personal stake in the success of his campaign, and Romney's good about covering his tracks, so I doubt there are any emails floating around.

Regardless, for political purposes, Bain's misdeeds are going to stick to Romney. Even if his level of control is murky, he certainly profited from offshoring and incinerating fetuses, and he did nothing to stop it. I think that would be enough for the average swing voter without getting too far into the technical details of his level of involvement.
 
2012-07-13 02:29:54 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: The company votes for itself. It directs itself. It chairs its own meetings. It presides over itself. Oh, and it has no controlling person behind it.


"Corporations are people, my friend."
 
2012-07-13 02:30:20 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp.

Prove it. Even the MA Ballot Commission ascertained that he had left Bain in 1999.

""The Respondent remained actively employed at Bain Capital until January 1, 1999, at which time he left to take the position of President and Chief Executive Officer of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.""


NO, he was running bain by telephone in an underground bunker in Nevada. Romney knew he would be running for president against Obama in 2012 so he contacted reptilians who told him to pretend to step down in 1999.
 
2012-07-13 02:30:28 PM  

Deucednuisance: I just wish all you Libtards would stop saying it's "about a blowjob". We've been saying all along it's the lying under oath that matters!


Was a Republican when I believed that it was about nailing him to the wall regardless and then he lied under oath thus sealing his fate.

Am a liberal (independent) now and I still believe that,

But continue telling us what we do and don't believe, Madame Clio! God forbid that the truth lies somewhere in between!
 
2012-07-13 02:31:11 PM  

Aldon: Weaver95: Hollie Maea: In spite of the derp brigade in this thread assuring us all that this is a complete non story, Romney has signed up for three different (non Fox News) TV interviews today. I'm pretty sure that's more than he's done in at least the past six months.

Romney seems pretty afraid of the Bain capital commercials. between those and refusing to release his tax returns, he's getting kicked in the nuts over his 'business record'.

Frankly this starting to remind me a lot of the Kerry/Bush race. Kerry's biggest strength was that he actually fought in a war and was an actual war hero. The Bush team (brilliantly) made that a liability for Kerry.. it looks like President Obama learned from that race.

One thing is for sure, just like 30+ years of official records, official investigations and re-investigations proving Kerry right, didn't matter, Romney being cleared of any criminal charges won't matter. Being 'technically' not-guilty of any crime doesn't matter as much as the lies and the 'common sense' contradictions the Obama campaign can catch the Romney campaign on his Bain record. Heck, just having Romney on the ropes defending his biggest (and perhaps only) strength is a victory for the Obama team.


its been interesting watching the GOP get knocked back on their pins over this stuff.
 
2012-07-13 02:32:14 PM  

Weaver95: mcwehrle:
As another poster said, I appreciate you taking the arrow to the knee for us, I can't listen to that derpious toad.

I just listen to the first hour. anything more than that and I start reaching for my liquor cabinet.


I have to liquor up just to tune to that station. Hell, by an hour I'd be reaching for the heroin*.....

*not a factual statement (the heroin part anyway)
 
2012-07-13 02:32:25 PM  

paygun: Dog Welder: This is more than enough to "Swift Boat" his electoral chances, though, and the GOP is rightly concerned about it. That's why you hear all the spinning and spinning and spinning from Rush, Hannity, etc. today.

I think it is, but it's going to pale in comparison to the first time he has to debate Obama. Mark my words, it's going to be epic. Flop sweat, the whole bit.

I think there's a really good chance that Romney is going to be the beginning of the end of the Republican party as it exists today. I realize that's a pretty tall order but I really do think it's possible. Likely, even.


If Romney loses (which I think is somewhat likely but not completely certain by any stretch), there are two possibilities for the GOP.

1) They realize that acting like a bunch of infants going through the terrible twos is a losing strategy. They accept Obama as the legitimate president rather than calling his very eligibility into question. They start to toss the hardline pledges that prevent all compromise and begin moderating their policy positions. Slowly, bipartisan legislation passes and is signed into law. They accept ObamaCare as the law of the land and work with the Democrats to improve it so the health care sector doesn't destroy the country. They stop holding up his nominations for executive and judicial positions and get government working again.

2) They decide that the reason they lost the presidency is because they were not nearly conservative enough. Congress completely grinds to a halt as the GOP decides that they will not assent to anything that does not meet 100% of their demands. If they still have a majority in the House, they impeach Obama on whatever trumped-up charges they can find within a few weeks of his second term starting. The entire federal government shuts down.

One of these two possibilities is infinitely more likely than the others. Take a wild guess which it is.
 
2012-07-13 02:32:44 PM  

paygun: There's going to be a lot of disappointed whiners when nothing ever comes of this. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have to answer for this, just that he won't.


It doesn't matter. This is being pushed by Obama's campaign to tie negative connotations to Bain. Well more negative than it does on it's own with the unfortunate homophone.

bane [beyn]
noun
1.a person or thing that ruins or spoils: Gambling was the bane of his existence.
2.a deadly poison (often used in combination, as in the names of poisonous plants): wolfsbane; henbane.
3.death; destruction; ruin.
4.Obsolete . that which causes death or destroys life: entrapped and drowned beneath the watery bane.


Who names their company something like that besides comic book villains?

Since Bain is Romney's only qualification that is being run on, they are turning his strength into a weakness. If all the talk is about Bain is negative, legitimately or not, that is now tied to Romney.

Ironically, as a libby libermiester, Romney actually sounded like a plausible Presidential candidate when I first noticed him in this elections slate of Republican hopefuls. Governor of Massachusetts when they acquired Universal Health Care and Same Sex Marriage. Ran the Olympics. Plus some private sector dealings so he could have a chance of appealing to conservatives.

Then I heard him open his mouth and boy howdy, the things that spewed forth.
 
2012-07-13 02:33:28 PM  

Serious Black: paygun: Dog Welder: This is more than enough to "Swift Boat" his electoral chances, though, and the GOP is rightly concerned about it. That's why you hear all the spinning and spinning and spinning from Rush, Hannity, etc. today.

I think it is, but it's going to pale in comparison to the first time he has to debate Obama. Mark my words, it's going to be epic. Flop sweat, the whole bit.

I think there's a really good chance that Romney is going to be the beginning of the end of the Republican party as it exists today. I realize that's a pretty tall order but I really do think it's possible. Likely, even.

If Romney loses (which I think is somewhat likely but not completely certain by any stretch), there are two possibilities for the GOP.

1) They realize that acting like a bunch of infants going through the terrible twos is a losing strategy. They accept Obama as the legitimate president rather than calling his very eligibility into question. They start to toss the hardline pledges that prevent all compromise and begin moderating their policy positions. Slowly, bipartisan legislation passes and is signed into law. They accept ObamaCare as the law of the land and work with the Democrats to improve it so the health care sector doesn't destroy the country. They stop holding up his nominations for executive and judicial positions and get government working again.

2) They decide that the reason they lost the presidency is because they were not nearly conservative enough. Congress completely grinds to a halt as the GOP decides that they will not assent to anything that does not meet 100% of their demands. If they still have a majority in the House, they impeach Obama on whatever trumped-up charges they can find within a few weeks of his second term starting. The entire federal government shuts down.

One of these two possibilities is infinitely more likely than the others. Take a wild guess which it is.


oh that's a no brainer - the GOP will go with door #2.
 
2012-07-13 02:33:44 PM  
Oh, I'm sure this is no big deal. That's why Romney is scheduled to go on all three major networks this evening. Just to chew the fat. Because this is no big deal.
 
2012-07-13 02:33:52 PM  
For once, this 'Taking both sides of the issue' thing might stand the chance of catching up to him and biting him in the ass.

So here's how I see it; When convenient, Romeny was a major player in Bain, had a hand in ongoing operations, and was a much needed part of the team. When politically INconvenient, then he left there in '99, and saying otherwise is just making your pants combust.
 
2012-07-13 02:34:06 PM  

bugontherug: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hollie Maea: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hollie Maea: We get it--you want Romney to win.

Right, which is why I said upthread "Will still probably vote for Obama."

They always do.

"I'm probably the most liberal person around, but I think Obama has been hired by terrorists to destroy the country blah blah blah."

Hi, I don't think we've met. I'm a registered Republican. Have been for 14 years. I'm probably the least, non-troll, lib here.

Don't listen to Troll_Fingers. He's definitely a troll. The other day, he disputed the proposition that Trayvon Martin would still be alive today had not George Zimmerman accosted him with a loaded firearm. He did so by claiming that Martin could have been struck by lightning, or hit by a bus.

I dunno, I guess it's possible he really thought that was a compelling argument. In which case he's less of a troll than he is a lobotomy patient.


Yes, I am troll because I am telling the truth. The truth that has been in my profile since 2008, a clean 3 years before you showed up to vomit your quasi legal opinions on the internet. Most of which are wrong.
 
2012-07-13 02:34:21 PM  

Pincy: Oh, I'm sure this is no big deal. That's why Romney is scheduled to go on all three major networks this evening. Just to chew the fat. Because this is no big deal.


and it's really nothing. it's completely unimportant. He just wants to say 'hi'.
 
2012-07-13 02:35:01 PM  

Serious Black: 2) They decide that the reason they lost the presidency is because they were not nearly conservative enough.


Definitely the most likely possibility, and it will be the end of them. It's a party made up of people, not comic book villains. They'll get voted out and that will be the end of that. They're not going to destroy the country from their secret mountain lair.
 
2012-07-13 02:35:30 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: whidbey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp.

Prove it. Even the MA Ballot Commission ascertained that he had left Bain in 1999.

""The Respondent remained actively employed at Bain Capital until January 1, 1999, at which time he left to take the position of President and Chief Executive Officer of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.""

You're still repeating this?

Sorry, were those not the findings of the MA Ballot Commission? Do they hold no weight?


Apparently they weigh a good deal more than the words "sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital."

What Bain did was highly unethical and Romney should have to answer for it.

And if your point is "Well at least it isn't ILLEGAL for Romney" that doesn't negate our objections, either.
 
2012-07-13 02:35:37 PM  

bugontherug: Don't listen to Troll_Fingers. He's definitely a troll. The other day, he disputed the proposition that Trayvon Martin would still be alive today had not George Zimmerman accosted him with a loaded firearm. He did so by claiming that Martin could have been struck by lightning, or hit by a bus.


technically correct, it's the best kind ;)
 
2012-07-13 02:35:39 PM  

Cataholic: ""Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."

oops...you forgot something.


May 2, 2000

Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital.

February 11, 2001

Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital.
 
2012-07-13 02:36:00 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Yes, I am troll because I am telling the truth. The truth that has been in my profile since 2008, a clean 3 years before you showed up to vomit your quasi legal opinions on the internet. Most of which are wrong.


You mean like my opinion that the individual mandate would be upheld as a valid exercise of the tax power was wrong?
 
2012-07-13 02:37:24 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp. Prove it.



ACCORDING TO HIS TESTIMONY:

While he was 'running the Olympics' "[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth."

What board meetings would he be attending?

And he "remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the LifeLike Corporation. I returned for most of those meetings. Others I attended by telephone if I could not return."

Staples and LifeLike were Bain companies. But sworn testimony straight from Romney's mouth is "derp" to you, right? I find it very exciting that Romney and his defenders are so outraged over corporate outsourcing, since he so obviously got filthy rich off of it. Lovely hole he's dug for himself in trying to claim he had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-07-13 02:37:34 PM  

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: RolandGunner: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: Vote Mitt Romney. He hasn't accomplished anything since Clinton was in office.

Except being Governor of Massachusetts, and saving the Olympics. Other than that... nothin'.

Oh right, he could run on his gubernatorial record of RomneyCare, gun control, and his involvement with the scandal-plagued 2002 Winter Olympics.

Obama will totally hate that.


To be fair, it looks like Romney was brought in after the main Olympic bribery scandal broke, and he was hired to run a honest program after they cleaned house. He seemed to do an okay job afterwards.

Not exactly "give me the launch codes" experience, but I don't see it as a negative.
 
2012-07-13 02:37:35 PM  

Serious Black: 1) They realize that acting like a bunch of infants going through the terrible twos is a losing strategy. They accept Obama as the legitimate president rather than calling his very eligibility into question. They start to toss the hardline pledges that prevent all compromise and begin moderating their policy positions. Slowly, bipartisan legislation passes and is signed into law. They accept ObamaCare as the law of the land and work with the Democrats to improve it so the health care sector doesn't destroy the country. They stop holding up his nominations for executive and judicial positions and get government working again.


You may as well add on to that, "and flying monkeys then shoot out of all of their asses."

If you stop and think what Republicans could do to make America better, and then think of the opposite of that, Republicans will always choose that second one.
 
2012-07-13 02:38:09 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital and thus is the controlling person of Bain Capital.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.,....!!!
 
2012-07-13 02:39:12 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: The_Six_Fingered_Man: shower_in_my_socks: This all goes back to Romney's sworn testimony that he was still active in Bain

Herp de derp. Prove it.


ACCORDING TO HIS TESTIMONY:

While he was 'running the Olympics' "[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth."

What board meetings would he be attending?

And he "remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the LifeLike Corporation. I returned for most of those meetings. Others I attended by telephone if I could not return."

Staples and LifeLike were Bain companies. But sworn testimony straight from Romney's mouth is "derp" to you, right? I find it very exciting that Romney and his defenders are so outraged over corporate outsourcing, since he so obviously got filthy rich off of it. Lovely hole he's dug for himself in trying to claim he had nothing to do with it.


look - 'facts' are liberal bias. are you gonna believe Romney or your lyin' eyes!?
 
2012-07-13 02:40:49 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: (BS - he was in Utah and wasn't involved in Bain during thosee years, like he said. Focus on issues instead of technicalities, douchebags)


OK, How's this then:

He got paid millions to do nothing, for years. And presumes to lecture people about wanting "free stuff".

How about "OK, he's not a felon. He's just an asshole"?

That work for you?
 
2012-07-13 02:42:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Serious Black: 1) They realize that acting like a bunch of infants going through the terrible twos is a losing strategy. They accept Obama as the legitimate president rather than calling his very eligibility into question. They start to toss the hardline pledges that prevent all compromise and begin moderating their policy positions. Slowly, bipartisan legislation passes and is signed into law. They accept ObamaCare as the law of the land and work with the Democrats to improve it so the health care sector doesn't destroy the country. They stop holding up his nominations for executive and judicial positions and get government working again.

You may as well add on to that, "and flying monkeys then shoot out of all of their asses."


Well, yeah, that's why I said that one of the options was infinitely more likely than the other. In fact, I may have actually understated what lies behind door #2.
 
2012-07-13 02:42:28 PM  

Serious Black: paygun: Dog Welder: This is more than enough to "Swift Boat" his electoral chances, though, and the GOP is rightly concerned about it. That's why you hear all the spinning and spinning and spinning from Rush, Hannity, etc. today.

I think it is, but it's going to pale in comparison to the first time he has to debate Obama. Mark my words, it's going to be epic. Flop sweat, the whole bit.

I think there's a really good chance that Romney is going to be the beginning of the end of the Republican party as it exists today. I realize that's a pretty tall order but I really do think it's possible. Likely, even.

If Romney loses (which I think is somewhat likely but not completely certain by any stretch), there are two possibilities for the GOP.

1) They realize that acting like a bunch of infants going through the terrible twos is a losing strategy. They accept Obama as the legitimate president rather than calling his very eligibility into question. They start to toss the hardline pledges that prevent all compromise and begin moderating their policy positions. Slowly, bipartisan legislation passes and is signed into law. They accept ObamaCare as the law of the land and work with the Democrats to improve it so the health care sector doesn't destroy the country. They stop holding up his nominations for executive and judicial positions and get government working again.

2) They decide that the reason they lost the presidency is because they were not nearly conservative enough. Congress completely grinds to a halt as the GOP decides that they will not assent to anything that does not meet 100% of their demands. If they still have a majority in the House, they impeach Obama on whatever trumped-up charges they can find within a few weeks of his second term starting. The entire federal government shuts down.

One of these two possibilities is infinitely more likely than the others. Take a wild guess which it is.


I vote for #2... one of the reasons I kinda hoped for a Santorum or another ultra-conservative win in the primary... when they lost the Republicans would have to take a long hard look at themselves. The problem with Romney and McCain is that they don't represent the far right wing of the party.... they are supported by them only because they were convinced by others that a 'true' conservative couldn't win.

Bush was a 'true' conservative, and he won twice.
 
2012-07-13 02:43:22 PM  

I alone am best: Fact check says he is telling the truth.


You're not up with current events, are you? Factcheck is assuming that Romney actually DID leave Bain Capital in Feb. 1999. The SEC filings suggest he did not in fact leave Bain Capital until 2002.

And even in this thread, there's evidence to suggest that Romney used the fact that he still had ties to Bain Capital between 1999 and 2002 that convinced courts in Massachusetts that he should be allowed to run for governor in that state.

Oops.
 
2012-07-13 02:43:25 PM  

GAT_00: When it comes down to it, Romney lied. He has to have lied, because he has openly contradicted himself with official SEC documents. So one of these must be true:

Either Romney lied to the SEC and has committed a felony, or Romney lied to the American people.

One of these simply has to be true.


technically it's still possible that both are true and he lied to everyone.
 
2012-07-13 02:43:31 PM  

Deucednuisance: Debeo Summa Credo: (BS - he was in Utah and wasn't involved in Bain during thosee years, like he said. Focus on issues instead of technicalities, douchebags)

OK, How's this then:

He got paid millions to do nothing, for years. And presumes to lecture people about wanting "free stuff".

How about "OK, he's not a felon. He's just an asshole"?

That work for you?


I have a prediction...
 
2012-07-13 02:43:38 PM  
Ok, even if Romney is telling the truth, that he had ZERO control over Bain after Feb 1999, why in the hell would you call yourself the CEO of a company that had dubious business practices that could bite your future political career in the ass? Wouldn't the more logical explanation - that he still was CEO and doesn't have an ounce of conscience - be the more likely one?

Occam's FTW!
 
2012-07-13 02:44:19 PM  

Apparently, as soon as Romney stopped running Bain in 1999, they were all, "WHEW, now we can do all that stuff he doesn't approve of."

- Molly Ball (@mollyesque) July 13, 2012
 
2012-07-13 02:45:23 PM  

bugontherug: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Yes, I am troll because I am telling the truth. The truth that has been in my profile since 2008, a clean 3 years before you showed up to vomit your quasi legal opinions on the internet. Most of which are wrong.

You mean like my opinion that the individual mandate would be upheld as a valid exercise of the tax power was wrong?


Are you operating under the same definition of "most" as the Washington Post?

shower_in_my_socks: Staples and LifeLike were Bain companies.


Bain, and I'll try to type this in words that you can understand, invested in Staples and LifeLike. I mean, you know that Staples has it's own, separate, executive officers, right? Is Facebook a Founder's Fund/Meritech Capital/Greylock Partners company because they provided an initial investment?
 
2012-07-13 02:45:30 PM  

Deucednuisance: I just wish all you Libtards would stop saying it's "about a blowjob". We've been saying all along it's the lying under oath that matters!


Good thing you're bringing up "lying under oath", since it appears that Romney is doing just that. Now we know that you'll hold his feet to the flames on this.
 
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