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(Yahoo)   That "DNA link" between an Occupy Wall Street protestor and an unsolved murder? Yeah that was actually what those in the professional crime-fighting biz call a "Lab error"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 84
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2012-07-13 11:33:38 AM  
or a coverup
 
2012-07-13 11:35:00 AM  
Did anyone question Steve Sax?
 
2012-07-13 11:36:21 AM  
Or it just conveniently put a cloud of piss over OWS by the oh-so-friendly NYPD.

Just a coincidence. Sure.
 
2012-07-13 11:36:53 AM  
source: an unnamed law enforcement official.

anything to protect the 0WS croud.
 
2012-07-13 11:37:54 AM  
DNA samples collected from a chain left behind at a March 28 protest in Brooklyn was said to match the DNA found on a pink CD player found near Fox's body.

Why would they have run a DNA test on a chain left behind at a protest anyway? Are we talking about some kind of heavy, outlaw biker style ass-kicking chain or what?

tenpoundsofcheese
or a coverup

Does it excite you to take a big, steaming shiat in the thread before anyone else manages to make a comment?
/don't answer that
//we know it does
 
2012-07-13 11:38:01 AM  
How often do these kinds of errors occur?
A bit scary...
 
2012-07-13 11:38:01 AM  
Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?
 
2012-07-13 11:38:30 AM  
As opposed to the documented instances of rape, arson, drug overdoses and vandalism among occupy Wall Street participants.

And all that for what is essentially a pathetically tiny movement.
 
2012-07-13 11:39:16 AM  
They saw some of the OWS people eating McDonalds... so now they're going around taking DNA samples from every discarded McDonald's bag they see.
 
2012-07-13 11:39:45 AM  
Just one question -

What the fark are the US police doing running DNA tests on discarded jewelery?

Orwell's 1984 was meant as a warning, not an operations manual...
 
2012-07-13 11:40:49 AM  
 
2012-07-13 11:41:43 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: or a coverup


Because if there's a group that's on the side of OWS, it's law enforcement.
 
2012-07-13 11:42:00 AM  
Hysterical. I was surprised but impressed that the NYPD had the ability to match DNA samples from two completely unrelated events - I had no idea that they had that ability, thinking they needed to match specific DNA samples.

Turns out it was a just a keystone kops like fark up. D'oh!
 
2012-07-13 11:43:33 AM  

kevlar51: Did anyone question Steve Sax?


i.imgur.com

Best. Episode. Ever.
 
2012-07-13 11:44:39 AM  

orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?


I'm under the belief that those that maliciously and intentionally cause the death of another human being should never taste the air of freedom again. If there is a visual record of them doing so, then the death penalty gets put on the table. If it's just DNA evidence? Life without parole. If it's to the point where no one can dispute that that person did it? Death. That would narrow down the death penalty to so few cases, that no innocent will be put to death. It would have to be a very high burden, but not an insurmountable one. But 99.99% of murder cases would end with life sentences.
 
2012-07-13 11:46:59 AM  

PlatinumDragon: Because if there's a group that's on the side of OWS, it's law enforcement.


Man, ten pounds of dick cheese really has gone off the deep end, if he thinks the NYPD is covering for Occupy farking Wall Street. I wonder if he looks in his back seat every time he gets in his car, just to make sure there aren't any scary liberals there, just waiting to tax him.
 
2012-07-13 11:47:40 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: or a coverup


Yes, the NYPD crime lab is orchestrating a cover up for OWS that embarrasses the NYPD crime lab.
 
2012-07-13 11:48:50 AM  
FTA: On Tuesday, an unnamed law enforcement official said DNA found on a chain at a Brooklyn protest in March matched the genetic material collected from a 2004 crime scene... But on Wednesday, another unnamed "law enforcement official" said that the DNA was actually from a lab worker who handled both cases.

But don't let that stop you making headline news out of it. Good old yellow journalism.
 
2012-07-13 11:50:15 AM  

LawrencePerson: As opposed to the documented instances of rape, arson, drug overdoses and vandalism among occupy Wall Street participants.

And all that for what is essentially a pathetically tiny movement.


How do those documented instances hold up in court? Because the NYPD has been striking out hard on that front. Cases dismissed due to officers perjuring themselves, etc.
 
2012-07-13 11:51:28 AM  
Wow.. there's a few murderers in the 99%? What are the odds?
 
2012-07-13 11:53:33 AM  
But on Wednesday, another unnamed "law enforcement official" said that the DNA was actually from a lab worker who handled both cases.

Updated Fox headline: OWS Murder Now Connected to Scientist

/suspect went to University of California...
//studied biology, evolution, carbon dating...
///developing...
 
2012-07-13 11:55:24 AM  
It's pretty obvious that the Lab Tech is one who did it. It's the kind of twist Hollywood would write.
 
Bf+
2012-07-13 11:56:21 AM  
Boy FoxNews must be embarrassed.
I'm sure they'll apologize, and correct their stories immediately.
 
2012-07-13 11:57:40 AM  

generallyso: FTA: On Tuesday, an unnamed law enforcement official said DNA found on a chain at a Brooklyn protest in March matched the genetic material collected from a 2004 crime scene... But on Wednesday, another unnamed "law enforcement official" said that the DNA was actually from a lab worker who handled both cases.

But don't let that stop you making headline news out of it. Good old yellow journalism.


Maybe it's just me, but I think a requirement to be a police officer should be that you actually have a name. Constantly going "Hey Officer You!" Must be annoying...
 
2012-07-13 11:59:00 AM  
Why the fark are they doing DNA analysis on this? It was a protest site, not a murder scene. Obviously they were fishing for any dirt they could find to discredit OWS, Unsolved murders on the docket be damned as Bloomberg has to undermine the credibility of an organization that has already faded into obscurity.

NYC can sympathize with the un Texans in this respect - we both have an egomaniacal simpleton running things.
 
2012-07-13 11:59:43 AM  
OWS... OWS. Oh yeah. How's that working out?
 
2012-07-13 11:59:47 AM  
"But on Wednesday, another unnamed "law enforcement official" said that the DNA was actually from a lab worker who handled both cases."

Wow, this is as good alibi for a serial killer as Dexter Morgan's job.

"My DNA at the crime scene? Sorry, my bad for the sloppy lab work."
 
2012-07-13 12:00:49 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Why the fark are they doing DNA analysis on this? It was a protest site, not a murder scene. Obviously they were fishing for any dirt they could find to discredit OWS


Pretty much. They were ordered to destroy OWS and were given all the resources they wanted to do it.

DNA tests. For fare jumpers.
 
2012-07-13 12:03:44 PM  
In before trolls come in to claim OWS cost NYC millions in DNA lab fees.
 
2012-07-13 12:04:33 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Pretty much. They were ordered to destroy OWS and were given all the resources they wanted to do it.


Which is pretty hilarious given the fact that OWS was more than capable of doing that themselves, uh, Wings?

What with the protest AGAINST people trying to end child trafficking, right?

Bunch of sick farking twists.
 
2012-07-13 12:09:31 PM  
This is bad news for Hank Williams Jr.
 
2012-07-13 12:10:33 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Pretty much. They were ordered to destroy OWS and were given all the resources they wanted to do it.

Which is pretty hilarious given the fact that OWS was more than capable of doing that themselves, uh, Wings?


They're still around.

What with the protest AGAINST people trying to end child trafficking, right?

Yeah I read your dumb links the other day. They obviously felt that organization wasn't being upfront about their goals. Merely a difference of opinion.

But you sound like an expert on child trafficking, so you probably know best.
 
2012-07-13 12:11:27 PM  

Riffington: How often do these kinds of errors occur?
A bit scary...


Quite often if precautions aren't taken, which is why a lab has to have very strict requirements and personnel have to be very careful. I hope that lab tech gets fired.

Although, it had been quiet a while since I've heard about this happening.

/Forensic scientist.
 
2012-07-13 12:17:37 PM  

mungo: Just one question -

What the fark are the US police doing running DNA tests on discarded jewelery?

Orwell's 1984 was meant as a warning, not an operations manual...


That's an excellent question. Forensic labs are usually way to busy to be running random DNA samples. One option is that the chain was a part of a crime in which the investigator had good reason to believe it belonged to a suspect. A second option is that the cops lied to the forensic personnel. A third option is that the particular lab hasn't set in place a requirement to the cops that they can't just give the lab every little thing and tell them to run it, which means the lab isn't low on money or personnel. If that's the case, and they are low on money or personnel, then they are wasting time and resources running every little sample; time and resources which could be used to solve actual cases. A fourth option is that it was a mistake that the chain made into evidence. And lastly, it could have been sent to a private lab, which may have lower standards (which may be why the error occurred), at higher cost to the police (assuming that the normal lab rejected the chain, and the cops wanted to pursue this line of investigation).
 
2012-07-13 12:18:41 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.


My dumb Links? The link to an Occupy site, and the link to the Conference Web Site of an Organization dedicated to ending Child Trafficking? And you call them "DUMB."

Jesus, we have a true believer here folks.

And, no, I'm certainly not an expert on Child Trafficking, but it sure as hell sounds like your idiot farking pals in the OWS know about it, and they farking love it.

Sick farking twists and their apologists
 
2012-07-13 12:20:37 PM  

Riffington: How often do these kinds of errors occur?
A bit scary...


pretty simple error

=vlookup(chain DNA, all perps,1, false)
vs
=vlookup(chain DNA, all perps,1, true)
 
2012-07-13 12:21:52 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

My dumb Links? The link to an Occupy site, and the link to the Conference Web Site of an Organization dedicated to ending Child Trafficking? And you call them "DUMB."


Yes. Everything you post is dumb.

Jesus, we have a true believer here folks.

NO U

And, no, I'm certainly not an expert on Child Trafficking,

So you can't really vouch for that group or their claims? True believer indeed.
 
2012-07-13 12:25:30 PM  
OWS COST NYC MILLIONS IN LAB FEES!!!1!one!
 
2012-07-13 12:26:46 PM  

dsriggs: kevlar51: Did anyone question Steve Sax?

[Sad Steve Sax]

Best. Episode. Ever.


We're Talkin' Soooooooftbaaaaaall
From Maine to San Diego
Talkin' soooooooftbaaaaaall
Mattingly and Canseco
Ken Griffey's grotesquely swollen jaw
Steve Sax and his run-in with the law
We're talkin' Homer...
Ozzie, and the Straw
 
2012-07-13 12:27:31 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Hysterical. I was surprised but impressed that the NYPD had the ability to match DNA samples from two completely unrelated events - I had no idea that they had that ability, thinking they needed to match specific DNA samples.

Turns out it was a just a keystone kops like fark up. D'oh!


Absolutely. We keep several databases of DNA. Usually one is kept at the state level, and one is kept on the federal level. As of right now, we're only allowed to keep DNA from unsolved crimes and from people charged with a federal crime (note that I said charged, not convicted). Usually when a sample comes in that has no reference sample (such as the saliva from a known suspect or from a victim), we run it against the databases to see if there are any hits.

With these databases, we've been able to solve quite a few previously unsolved crimes, and we've also been able to link crimes together even if we don't know who the suspect is.

A new up and coming technique is called familial searches, in which we use the DNA of a suspect who isn't in our database, and connect it to parents, siblings, or children of the suspect that are in the database. It's how we (actually, they, as I wasn't involved) caught the the Grim Sleeper in LA. His son was arrested for a felony and had his DNA on file. Someone was running a search to see if the Grim Sleeper could get any hits on the DNA database, and they found a 50% match to his son. But don't get me wrong, this wasn't a random search (oh, look! we've got a 50% match, maybe that's him!); they had to go through a bunch of legal proceedings to even be allowed to do a familial search, and appropriate technology had to be developed. It was planned out to do a search specifically looking for relatives.
 
2012-07-13 12:31:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy:
So you can't really vouch for that group or their claims? True believer indeed.


Wow, wings, you really want to go down this path? Are you serious? The path where I will show that the sick twists and their rqually deranged apologists have protested against efforts to end child trafficking. NO PROBLEM!

Here is a link to an Organization that the OWS has protested against:

2012 National Human Exploitation and Trafficking (H.E.A.T.) Watch Conference


H.E.A.T. Watch combines five successful strategies that protect CSEC victims, enhance efforts to investigate and prosecute their traffickers, and stop human exploitation and trafficking.

Judge for yourselves people! Truly history's greatest monsters.

/Keep posting Wings PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!! I will next link to the agenda of the conference dedicated to ending child enslavement, and which you seem to be against for some reason.
 
2012-07-13 12:35:04 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy:
So you can't really vouch for that group or their claims? True believer indeed.

Wow, wings, you really want to go down this path? Are you serious? The path where I will show that the sick twists and their rqually deranged apologists have protested against efforts to end child trafficking. NO PROBLEM!

Here is a link to an Organization that the OWS has protested against:

2012 National Human Exploitation and Trafficking (H.E.A.T.) Watch Conference


H.E.A.T. Watch combines five successful strategies that protect CSEC victims, enhance efforts to investigate and prosecute their traffickers, and stop human exploitation and trafficking.


Right. The protestors stated that that isn't their actual goal and their policies were having opposite of the intended effect.

Judge for yourselves people!

Yes, everybody should.

Truly history's greatest monsters.

Yes you read their website, so no need to look any further.

/Keep posting Wings PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!! I will next link to the agenda of the conference dedicated to ending child enslavement, and which you seem to be against for some reason.

You're a child, and I would like you to be enslaved. I've made no secret of this.
 
2012-07-13 12:35:32 PM  

tgambitg: orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?

I'm under the belief that those that maliciously and intentionally cause the death of another human being should never taste the air of freedom again. If there is a visual record of them doing so, then the death penalty gets put on the table. If it's just DNA evidence? Life without parole. If it's to the point where no one can dispute that that person did it? Death. That would narrow down the death penalty to so few cases, that no innocent will be put to death. It would have to be a very high burden, but not an insurmountable one. But 99.99% of murder cases would end with life sentences.


There's a list of classic signs that most serial killers exhibit. We have been able to use that list (and other psychological factors) to help convict other serial killers when they otherwise would have not been convicted. The only reason we know anything about the psychology of serial killers is because we've been able to interview them while they were in prison. If we execute killers, we'll never be able to interview them, and we never would have gotten that knowledge. If we start executing all killers today, who knows what we'll never learn because of it.
 
2012-07-13 12:41:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Right. The protestors stated that that isn't their actual goal and their policies were having opposite of the intended effect.


Really, yet you curiously DID NOT post to their web site. Why is that?

C'mon Wings, link to, do it!

Make sure that you mark it Not Safe For Work, right Wings? You've seen it right?

C'mon, child enslaver.
 
2012-07-13 12:48:00 PM  

orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?


I don't think we've been quick to execute lab techs.
 
2012-07-13 12:58:05 PM  

LawrencePerson: As opposed to the documented instances of rape, arson, drug overdoses and vandalism among occupy Wall Street participants.

And all that for what is essentially a pathetically tiny movement.


Um, no. Among people who show up at large gatherings where they can blend in. Might as well ban things such as sporting events, since all of that happens there as well.

Save your strawmen: Halloween isn't until October.
 
2012-07-13 12:58:42 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Right. The protestors stated that that isn't their actual goal and their policies were having opposite of the intended effect.

Really, yet you curiously DID NOT post to their web site. Why is that?


Because I didn't save your dumb link, dummy. It's just not a big deal to me. I have a life, and you exist only for my amusement.
 
2012-07-13 12:59:51 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: "But on Wednesday, another unnamed "law enforcement official" said that the DNA was actually from a lab worker who handled both cases."

Wow, this is as good alibi for a serial killer as Dexter Morgan's job.

"My DNA at the crime scene? Sorry, my bad for the sloppy lab work."


Didn't cops in Europe think they had a prolific serial killer on their hands until they discovered that the DNA they were testing was coming from the woman that was improperly packaging the sterile swaps they were using?
 
2012-07-13 01:03:17 PM  

kevlar51: Did anyone question Steve Sax?


Shave your sideburns, hippy!
 
2012-07-13 01:04:21 PM  

patrick767: Why would they have run a DNA test on a chain left behind at a protest anyway? Are we talking about some kind of heavy, outlaw biker style ass-kicking chain or what?


It wasn't that it was a protest, the chain was used to open gates up that allowed people to ride the subway for free. i'm sure that they ran DNA in the hopes of catching that person and charging them criminally as well as financially for the days losses.

Since there was apparently no camera shot of the person that did this, the only evidence would be DNA on the chain.
 
2012-07-13 01:07:08 PM  

Eirik: Vlad_the_Inaner: "But on Wednesday, another unnamed "law enforcement official" said that the DNA was actually from a lab worker who handled both cases."

Wow, this is as good alibi for a serial killer as Dexter Morgan's job.

"My DNA at the crime scene? Sorry, my bad for the sloppy lab work."

Didn't cops in Europe think they had a prolific serial killer on their hands until they discovered that the DNA they were testing was coming from the woman that was improperly packaging the sterile swaps they were using?


Yeah. That was a case of a woman working in the factory which produced the sterile swabs. She wasn't taking proper precautions, and her DNA was on the swabs used in cases.

Here's an article on it: Link
 
2012-07-13 01:08:13 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Right. The protestors stated that that isn't their actual goal and their policies were having opposite of the intended effect.

Really, yet you curiously DID NOT post to their web site. Why is that?

Because I didn't save your dumb link, dummy. It's just not a big deal to me. I have a life, and you exist only for my amusement.


Ah, he was "just trolling," folks. Gotcha. he didn't save the link, folks. Which is in a thread he posted in two days ago. Fark works differently for Wings! LULZ.

And i got to post several times about how your scum farker friends in the OWS are protesting against people dedicated to ending child trafficking. That is amusing!

Don't throw me back in that there briar patch wings! Hee hee!
 
2012-07-13 01:17:28 PM  

mgshamster: tgambitg: orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?

I'm under the belief that those that maliciously and intentionally cause the death of another human being should never taste the air of freedom again. If there is a visual record of them doing so, then the death penalty gets put on the table. If it's just DNA evidence? Life without parole. If it's to the point where no one can dispute that that person did it? Death. That would narrow down the death penalty to so few cases, that no innocent will be put to death. It would have to be a very high burden, but not an insurmountable one. But 99.99% of murder cases would end with life sentences.

There's a list of classic signs that most serial killers exhibit. We have been able to use that list (and other psychological factors) to help convict other serial killers when they otherwise would have not been convicted. The only reason we know anything about the psychology of serial killers is because we've been able to interview them while they were in prison. If we execute killers, we'll never be able to interview them, and we never would have gotten that knowledge. If we start executing all killers today, who knows what we'll never learn because of it.


Yeah, but how many serial killers are caught in the act? None. I'm talking about caught in the act, video AND eyewitness evidence, with no uncertainty at all. Serial killers are usually tripped up by circumstantial evidence and then tying that to the hard evidence. And yeah, keeping them alive is great for psychologists because they give a better understanding of how a human mind can just shut off the compassion for your fellow man. To them, killing multiple people is nothing more than, say, stepping on a bunch of ants. To the person who premeditates a single murder, that person has not quite lost compassion for his fellow man, but is actively plotting the end to a life, knowing the consequences. That's why I drew the distinction of maliciously and intentionally. Your serial killer doesn't have the same level of maliciousness.
 
2012-07-13 01:19:13 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Right. The protestors stated that that isn't their actual goal and their policies were having opposite of the intended effect.

Really, yet you curiously DID NOT post to their web site. Why is that?

Because I didn't save your dumb link, dummy. It's just not a big deal to me. I have a life, and you exist only for my amusement.

Ah, he was "just trolling," folks


Who said that? Not me.

Gotcha. he didn't save the link, folks. Which is in a thread he posted in two days ago. Fark works differently for Wings! LULZ.

I didn't save your dumb link, and I'm not looking for it. You work for me, remember? Go fetch it for me.

And i got to post several times about how your scum farker friends in the OWS are protesting against people dedicated to ending child trafficking. That is amusing!

And still nobody cares. You're truly a legend.

Don't throw me back in that there briar patch wings! Hee hee!

You're supposed to take your pills at lunch time.
 
2012-07-13 01:26:03 PM  

tgambitg: orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?

I'm under the belief that those that maliciously and intentionally cause the death of another human being should never taste the air of freedom again. If there is a visual record of them doing so, then the death penalty gets put on the table. If it's just DNA evidence? Life without parole. If it's to the point where no one can dispute that that person did it? Death. That would narrow down the death penalty to so few cases, that no innocent will be put to death. It would have to be a very high burden, but not an insurmountable one. But 99.99% of murder cases would end with life sentences.


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2012-07-13 01:27:59 PM  
No, this can't be true. It must be that one of the occupists raped and killed that girl in 2004. It couldn't be a lab error in DNA testing and processing. That shiat almost never happens on CSI...
 
2012-07-13 01:35:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: didn't save your dumb link, and I'm not looking for it. You work for me, remember? Go fetch it for me.


Trollo troll-a-lee.

I'll give you a 2/10, I had to knock a coupls points off for the embarrassing "you work for me" tough guy act after you got farking owned.

Looking forward to your next post supporting the scumbag OWS.
 
2012-07-13 01:36:26 PM  

thelordofcheese: tgambitg: orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?

I'm under the belief that those that maliciously and intentionally cause the death of another human being should never taste the air of freedom again. If there is a visual record of them doing so, then the death penalty gets put on the table. If it's just DNA evidence? Life without parole. If it's to the point where no one can dispute that that person did it? Death. That would narrow down the death penalty to so few cases, that no innocent will be put to death. It would have to be a very high burden, but not an insurmountable one. But 99.99% of murder cases would end with life sentences.

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Did you even read the whole thing?
 
2012-07-13 01:37:16 PM  

tgambitg: mgshamster: tgambitg: orbister: Will this deter those who think DNA evidence is so reliable that it allows the death penalty to be used without fear of error?

I'm under the belief that those that maliciously and intentionally cause the death of another human being should never taste the air of freedom again. If there is a visual record of them doing so, then the death penalty gets put on the table. If it's just DNA evidence? Life without parole. If it's to the point where no one can dispute that that person did it? Death. That would narrow down the death penalty to so few cases, that no innocent will be put to death. It would have to be a very high burden, but not an insurmountable one. But 99.99% of murder cases would end with life sentences.

There's a list of classic signs that most serial killers exhibit. We have been able to use that list (and other psychological factors) to help convict other serial killers when they otherwise would have not been convicted. The only reason we know anything about the psychology of serial killers is because we've been able to interview them while they were in prison. If we execute killers, we'll never be able to interview them, and we never would have gotten that knowledge. If we start executing all killers today, who knows what we'll never learn because of it.

Yeah, but how many serial killers are caught in the act? None. I'm talking about caught in the act, video AND eyewitness evidence, with no uncertainty at all. Serial killers are usually tripped up by circumstantial evidence and then tying that to the hard evidence. And yeah, keeping them alive is great for psychologists because they give a better understanding of how a human mind can just shut off the compassion for your fellow man. To them, killing multiple people is nothing more than, say, stepping on a bunch of ants. To the person who premeditates a single murder, that person has not quite lost compassion for his fellow man, but is actively plotting the end to a life, knowing the consequences. That's why I drew the distinction of maliciously and intentionally. Your serial killer doesn't have the same level of maliciousness.


I recommend reading Mind Hunter by John Douglas. You might be surprised by how malicious serial killers can be, and how intelligent. Not all of them are psychopaths.

On a personal note, I am against the death penalty for all cases.

/It's also a really good read.
 
2012-07-13 01:37:56 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: didn't save your dumb link, and I'm not looking for it. You work for me, remember? Go fetch it for me.

Trollo troll-a-lee.

I'll give you a 2/10, I had to knock a coupls points off for the embarrassing "you work for me" tough guy act


I'm no tough guy, I just think circles around you. You have clear mental issues, so it's not difficult.

after you got farking owned.

Was it epic though? You're 12, aren't you? Be honest.

Looking forward to your next post supporting the scumbag OWS.

I know, you're my biggest fan.
 
2012-07-13 01:40:53 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

My dumb Links? The link to an Occupy site, and the link to the Conference Web Site of an Organization dedicated to ending Child Trafficking? And you call them "DUMB."

Jesus, we have a true believer here folks.

And, no, I'm certainly not an expert on Child Trafficking, but it sure as hell sounds like your idiot farking pals in the OWS know about it, and they farking love it.

Sick farking twists and their apologists



Isn't it amazing how dumb people usually think smart things are dumb?
 
2012-07-13 01:45:11 PM  
So the lab assistant is the murderer! It all makes sense now
 
2012-07-13 01:48:08 PM  

thelordofcheese: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

My dumb Links? The link to an Occupy site, and the link to the Conference Web Site of an Organization dedicated to ending Child Trafficking? And you call them "DUMB."

Jesus, we have a true believer here folks.

And, no, I'm certainly not an expert on Child Trafficking, but it sure as hell sounds like your idiot farking pals in the OWS know about it, and they farking love it.

Sick farking twists and their apologists


Isn't it amazing how dumb people usually think smart things are dumb?


This should be fun. What was smart about the links?
 
2012-07-13 01:53:20 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: thelordofcheese: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

This should be fun. What was smart about the links?


Wait, what was "Dumb" about the links that you "didn't save" and are to lazy to find in a short thread you posted in a couple of days ago and one of which i linked, child trafficking apologist?

/this should be good? Hee hee
 
2012-07-13 01:56:27 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: thelordofcheese: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

This should be fun. What was smart about the links?

Wait, what was "Dumb" about the links


Already told you, dummy.

And you forgot to respond as your alt.
 
2012-07-13 02:03:38 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: thelordofcheese: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

This should be fun. What was smart about the links?

Wait, what was "Dumb" about the links

Already told you, dummy.

And you forgot to respond as your alt.


My alt? paranoid, huh? Hee hee.

Call me dummy again, It sounds mature.

Here is who the OWS was protesting:

cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2012-07-13 02:08:02 PM  

Eirik: It wasn't that it was a protest, the chain was used to open gates up that allowed people to ride the subway for free. i'm sure that they ran DNA in the hopes of catching that person and charging them criminally as well as financially for the days losses.

Since there was apparently no camera shot of the person that did this, the only evidence would be DNA on the chain.



Because no way, no how, would random DNA from hundreds of people get on a chain left on a subway gate.

This is how CSI works?

/hopes the DNA was from the hot goth pigtails chick tech.
 
2012-07-13 02:08:49 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: thelordofcheese: halfof33: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I read your dumb links the other day.

This should be fun. What was smart about the links?

Wait, what was "Dumb" about the links

Already told you, dummy.

And you forgot to respond as your alt.

My alt? paranoid, huh? Hee hee.

Call me dummy again, It sounds mature.

Here is who the OWS was protesting:

[cdn.pjmedia.com image 509x612]


Yeah I saw the website. Your inability to understand their argument isn't a poor reflection on them, it's on you. Dummy.
 
2012-07-13 02:14:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy:
Yeah I saw the website. Your inability to understand their argument isn't a poor reflection on them, it's on you. Dummy.


Why don't you tell us what their own words were? Shall I help?

Whores get revenge

H.E.A.T. Watch is an ongoing campaign facilitated by the Alameda County District Attorney, The City of Oakland, the OPD, and a few select piece-of-shiat non-profits.

We set out with the intentions of shutting the farker down and started the event with the distribution of some dope literature, some inflammatory speeches, the harassment of mainstream media and of course, the all-out taunting of the police. It got taken a step further when the crowd attempted to enter the lobby of the Marriott Convention Center. This all resulted in a rumble with the pigs, the vandalized facade of the convention center entrance with eggs and paint, and a march to and from Oscar Grant Plaza. We would say that this was a nice way to spend an afternoon and, for a brief moment, fulfilled our goal of shutting the farker down.

....

Have I quoted them properly, troll?
 
2012-07-13 02:15:53 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Eirik: It wasn't that it was a protest, the chain was used to open gates up that allowed people to ride the subway for free. i'm sure that they ran DNA in the hopes of catching that person and charging them criminally as well as financially for the days losses.

Since there was apparently no camera shot of the person that did this, the only evidence would be DNA on the chain.


Because no way, no how, would random DNA from hundreds of people get on a chain left on a subway gate.

This is how CSI works?

/hopes the DNA was from the hot goth pigtails chick tech.


If that's true, then it's pretty pathetic. Even if the DNA was a true match, it would get shot down in court by a competent defense lawyer.

But no, that's not how CSI works. The vast majority of forensic scientists/technicians do not do investigative work. They're lab people, who analyze evidence. Cops do investigative work; that's their job. If I had to actually investigate crimes, I would never have time to actually analyze evidence.
 
2012-07-13 02:20:09 PM  

halfof33: Have I quoted them properly, troll?


I don't know, I don't have the link.
 
2012-07-13 02:28:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: halfof33: Have I quoted them properly, troll?

I don't know, I don't have the link.


I guess it depends on whether he was quoting the Drudge Report, or the people who also said "Occupy Oakland is Dead. Long Live the Oakland Commune." and "If we had chosen to follow the specific trajectory prescribed by Adbusters and the Zucotti-based organizers of Occupy Wall Street [...] We intentionally chose a different path based on a longer trajectory."

So quoting someone who explicitly disowns OWS is quoting OWS?
 
2012-07-13 02:37:02 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: HotWingConspiracy: halfof33: Have I quoted them properly, troll?

I don't know, I don't have the link.

I guess it depends on whether he was quoting the Drudge Report, or the people who also said "Occupy Oakland is Dead. Long Live the Oakland Commune." and "If we had chosen to follow the specific trajectory prescribed by Adbusters and the Zucotti-based organizers of Occupy Wall Street [...] We intentionally chose a different path based on a longer trajectory."

So quoting someone who explicitly disowns OWS is quoting OWS?


Ya know, I knew there had to be some bullshiat involved, because, well, all that guy posts is bullshiat. Thanks for that.
 
2012-07-13 02:43:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy:
Ya know, I knew there had to be some bullshiat involved, because, well, all that guy posts is bullshiat. Thanks for that.


wait, you said that you read the dumb links, remember that Hotwing? And now you are telling us "that there had to be some bullshiat involved." Really?

You have that much trouble keeping your lies straight?

But it seems that the new objection is that Occupy Oakland is not part of OWS. Huh. Keep on farking that chicken guys.
 
2012-07-13 02:47:41 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy:
Ya know, I knew there had to be some bullshiat involved, because, well, all that guy posts is bullshiat. Thanks for that.

wait, you said that you read the dumb links, remember that Hotwing? And now you are telling us "that there had to be some bullshiat involved." Really?

You have that much trouble keeping your lies straight?


What lies? You're not making any sense.

Sorry, bullshiat exposed. Maybe log in to your alt for some backup.
 
2012-07-13 02:51:14 PM  

halfof33: HotWingConspiracy:
Ya know, I knew there had to be some bullshiat involved, because, well, all that guy posts is bullshiat. Thanks for that.

wait, you said that you read the dumb links, remember that Hotwing? And now you are telling us "that there had to be some bullshiat involved." Really?

You have that much trouble keeping your lies straight?

But it seems that the new objection is that Occupy Oakland is not part of OWS. Huh. Keep on farking that chicken guys.


"Occupy Oakland is Dead. Long Live the Oakland Commune." they said.

Has the Zombie Apocalypse finally started?
 
2012-07-13 02:54:18 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: "Occupy Oakland is Dead. Long Live the Oakland Commune." they said.


The people behind the protest were Occupy Oakland, as Hotwing would have informed you had he not claimed to be unable to find the links he claimed to have read.

but there was some scism in Occupy Oakland? Oh dear, that doesn't seem very Occupy like.
 
2012-07-13 03:01:45 PM  

halfof33: Vlad_the_Inaner: "Occupy Oakland is Dead. Long Live the Oakland Commune." they said.

The people behind the protest were Occupy Oakland, as Hotwing would have informed you had he not claimed to be unable to find the links he claimed to have read.

but there was some scism in Occupy Oakland? Oh dear, that doesn't seem very Occupy like.


You're like a retarded cat trying to cover up shiat in a litter box now.
 
2012-07-13 03:08:56 PM  
Interesting. This could affect my vote the next time I'm on a jury and am told by someone with a vested interest in a conviction that DNA is 99.999999995 percent accurate.
 
2012-07-13 03:12:16 PM  

HotWingConspiracy:
You're like a retarded cat trying to cover up shiat in a litter box now.


My my, you are an aggressive troll aren't you? First you called the links dumb, and then that you couldn't find them, and I'm retarded, etc, etc.

Keep your lies straight, champ.

Was my link that you called "dumb" from Occupy Oakland or Bays of Rage?

Tick, tock, troll.

/by the way, you got anything in that tool box of insults other than "retarded," sport? Seems kinda played.
 
2012-07-13 03:38:20 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Interesting. This could affect my vote the next time I'm on a jury and am told by someone with a vested interest in a conviction that DNA is 99.999999995 percent accurate.


Arguably, you didn't need any news articles to know such a line is bogus. Nothing performed by humans or computers (and certainly not both) can be 99.999999995 percent accurate.

You can give a person a bowling ball, ask that person to drop the bowling ball on the ground, and he or she will fail more often than 1 in 20000000000 times. Likewise, in any given second a desktop PC is going to have a memory or CPU fault with a greater probability than 1 in 20000000000. You can't even trust a computer to correctly tell you the sum of the numbers from 1 to 1000 with 99.999999995 percent accuracy, much less the outcome of a DNA test.
 
2012-07-13 04:44:43 PM  
HotWingConspiracy
Was it epic though? You're 12, aren't you? Be honest.

Don't insult 12 year olds. I don't know how that douchebag wasn't on my ignore list yet, but that's fixed now.
 
2012-07-13 04:49:51 PM  

patrick767: HotWingConspiracy
Was it epic though? You're 12, aren't you? Be honest.

Don't insult 12 year olds. I don't know how that douchebag wasn't on my ignore list yet, but that's fixed now.


That's odd, I was responding to a troll who basically did nothing other than call people "retarded" and he puts me on ignore.

How courageous.
 
2012-07-14 12:37:09 PM  

halfof33: That's odd, I was responding to a troll who basically did nothing other than call people "retarded" and he puts me on ignore.


You?!? Imagine that.
 
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