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(AP)   The Zombie Bloc: While you were targeting Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as unmarried women, blacks, Latinos and young adults, you also managed to snare animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 38
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2012-07-13 09:15:02 AM
Okay, if you can get a large enough number of people to shlep around to different voting centers all day to individually cast additional ballots, you're proving you're a damn good leader and probably have enough pull to win the election anyway. Election fraud doesn't happen in the farking voting booth, it happens when the ballot box is opened and the votes are counted. Has there ever been a case where people casting additional fraudulent votes, individually, at polling centers, has turned an election?

Assuming the system can't be perfect, which it can't, isn't it more important to make sure all people who should be able to vote can vote than to make sure all people who shouldn't be allowed to vote can't vote? Granting every one of their premises, if we can assume there is no ideal solution that solves its intended problem without any drawbacks or bleedthrough, shouldn't upholding the right to vote be a higher priority than preventing fake votes on a scale that... really has never come anywhere close to mattering compared to fraud that happens after the ballots are cast?
 
2012-07-13 09:23:38 AM

Bloody William: Assuming the system can't be perfect, which it can't, isn't it more important to make sure all people who should be able to vote can vote than to make sure all people who shouldn't be allowed to vote can't vote? Granting every one of their premises, if we can assume there is no ideal solution that solves its intended problem without any drawbacks or bleedthrough, shouldn't upholding the right to vote be a higher priority than preventing fake votes on a scale that... really has never come anywhere close to mattering compared to fraud that happens after the ballots are cast?


The problem with that is that it carries the assumption that most of these efforts are meant to preserve the integrity of voting instead of manipulating the system so that in politically benefits those promoting these efforts.
 
2012-07-13 09:25:15 AM
So don't fill it out and turn it in. You can't take that incomplete form and go vote.

This is a problem, though, but the GOP solution is pretty good. Only offer voter registration forms at gun shows! And, to be sure you aren't lying about who you are, you'll be asked for your Concealed Carry License.
 
2012-07-13 09:34:22 AM

Bloody William: isn't it more important to make sure all people who should be able to vote can vote than to make sure all people who shouldn't be allowed to vote can't vote?


the only thing that is actually important is that fewer Democrats vote
 
2012-07-13 10:51:33 AM

kingoomieiii: So don't fill it out and turn it in. You can't take that incomplete form and go vote.

This is a problem, though, but the GOP solution is pretty good. Only offer voter registration forms at gun shows! And, to be sure you aren't lying about who you are, you'll be asked for your Concealed Carry License.


Anyone can do that. The rule should be you can't get your voter registration form unless you also purchase a gun and enough ammo to fend of the gub'mint from your double-wide when they come try to take the gun away.
 
2012-07-13 10:55:34 AM
People already registered?! My heavens! *clutches pearls*
 
2012-07-13 10:57:16 AM
Encouraging stupid people to vote is stupid.
 
2012-07-13 10:58:15 AM
This is an outrage. We should make it illegal to send people voter registration forms.
 
2012-07-13 11:01:49 AM
New democrat crusade: free brains for underpriviledged young zombies
 
2012-07-13 11:06:06 AM
Call me when it's resulted in a single fraudulent vote being cast. I won't hold my breath.
 
2012-07-13 11:17:41 AM
Sending voter registration paperwork to a housecat does not impact election results.

The housecat (or other bogus voter) somehow getting onto the voter rolls (which the story shows no sign of) indicates criminal shenanigans by someone, but does not in itself impact the election outcome, only the "turnout" statistic.

Someone using Jennyanydots Smith's registration to cast a ballot conceivably can impact the election outcome. Such an illegitimate vote cancels out up to one legitimate vote -- though it's possible it might be cast for someone who would win anyway, having no consequence to the election outcome. But "one vote" is good enough for a rough approximation. Ergo, any measure to preclude this that effectively cancels out more than one legitimate vote -- say, by preventing an otherwise legitimate voter from voting -- is a cure that does more harm than the disease.

The incident of TFA is registration opportunities being presented to the ineligible -- not about such "voters" applying, making it to the rolls, or casting votes.

Bloody William: Election fraud doesn't happen in the farking voting booth, it happens when the ballot box is opened and the votes are counted.


It happens at both; however, the latter form of fraud is more likely to enable a single individual to flip an election, and harder for society to investigate (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?).

That said, a quick whack at Google fails to turn up data on how often that happens. There's a hit from the NYTimes which mentions cases in 1994 (PA) and 1986 (AL), so it's at least not nonexistent.
 
2012-07-13 11:21:43 AM
I HEARD, YOU CAN GET VOTING REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS AT THE DMV, THEY DON'T EVEN ASK WHO YOU ARE, OR MAKE YOU PRODUCE ID.


/AND THEY COME BLANK, SO YOU COULD FILL ONE OUT FOR ANYONE, EVEN YOUR NEIGHBORS DEAD PARAKEET SNICKERS
 
2012-07-13 11:24:25 AM
Hate voter fraud to embrace election fraud. It's the conservative way.
 
2012-07-13 11:27:42 AM

RowdyRough: AND THEY COME BLANK, SO YOU COULD FILL ONE OUT FOR ANYONE, EVEN YOUR NEIGHBORS DEAD PARAKEET SNICKERS


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Finally! Petey can exercise his liberty freedoms!
 
2012-07-13 11:33:24 AM
This just in: my right to vote trumps your desire to prevent a type of fraud that you've yet been able to provide *evidence of.

*By the way - the evidence must be sufficiently high in order to warrant any restricted access to my right to vote.
 
2012-07-13 11:34:26 AM

Lanadapter: New democrat crusade: free brains for underpriviledged young zombies


"Undead-Americans for Obama"
 
2012-07-13 11:37:11 AM
Manipulating the system to disenfranchise eligible voters is worse than actual voter fraud.
 
2012-07-13 11:53:16 AM
animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote

Oh wow. Subby still thinks that Obama didn't "really" get elected by the people again and it's a huge fraud like global warming.

Watch out, world.
 
2012-07-13 11:55:16 AM

RowdyRough: I HEARD, YOU CAN GET VOTING REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS AT THE DMV, THEY DON'T EVEN ASK WHO YOU ARE, OR MAKE YOU PRODUCE ID.


/AND THEY COME BLANK, SO YOU COULD FILL ONE OUT FOR ANYONE, EVEN YOUR NEIGHBORS DEAD PARAKEET SNICKERS


Those filthy pirates are also printing them out at home and mailing them in.
 
2012-07-13 12:04:01 PM
Zombie Paul Weyrich is outraged.
 
2012-07-13 12:05:10 PM
Those fake registrations aren't so innocent. They are used by millions of illegals, hobos, and union workers bussed in by democrats to vote in elections all over the country. None of those millions of fake voters have ever come forward or been found because Shut Up, Lib.
 
2012-07-13 12:07:15 PM

whidbey: animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote

Oh wow. Subby still thinks that Obama didn't "really" get elected by the people again and it's a huge fraud like global warming.

Watch out, world.


subby gives no indication that that is what he thinks. Doesn't even hint at it.
 
2012-07-13 12:10:11 PM
Remember, democracy and free elections only work if your guy wins.
 
2012-07-13 01:18:05 PM
Stupid Personal Anecdote time:

Recently on a local forum in a topic on voter fraud filled with right-wing talking points I posted a link from the Brennan Center on how often voting fraud happens (hint: it really doesn't).

I got a response from someone saying "The Brennan Center is basically a legal version of moveon.org, not to be trusted."

I asked him if he had any peer-reviewed studies from an accredited institution disproving what the Brennan Center said or even saying otherwise and all I've gotten so far is crickets.

/CSB
 
2012-07-13 01:20:17 PM

zarberg: Stupid Personal Anecdote time:

Recently on a local forum in a topic on voter fraud filled with right-wing talking points I posted a link from the Brennan Center on how often voting fraud happens (hint: it really doesn't).

I got a response from someone saying "The Brennan Center is basically a legal version of moveon.org, not to be trusted."

I asked him if he had any peer-reviewed studies from an accredited institution disproving what the Brennan Center said or even saying otherwise and all I've gotten so far is crickets.

/CSB


did not enough people care about the non-response in the actual thread where this occurred?
 
2012-07-13 01:25:20 PM

skullkrusher: zarberg: Stupid Personal Anecdote time:

Recently on a local forum in a topic on voter fraud filled with right-wing talking points I posted a link from the Brennan Center on how often voting fraud happens (hint: it really doesn't).

I got a response from someone saying "The Brennan Center is basically a legal version of moveon.org, not to be trusted."

I asked him if he had any peer-reviewed studies from an accredited institution disproving what the Brennan Center said or even saying otherwise and all I've gotten so far is crickets.

/CSB

did not enough people care about the non-response in the actual thread where this occurred?


Seeing as the rest of the thread was filled with responses like, "I'll have to check of my dog voted for Obama, and if he did kick him" I've decided to ignore things posted there from now on. A shame, it's a local forum that had potential.
 
2012-07-13 01:48:02 PM
I have spent the last 13 years SHOCKED at how lax voter security is. The first time I went to vote at age 18, I had my ID and Voter registration card out and ready to show. I was asked for neither. I never have been, though I still have them primed and ready every time. I dont recall being asked for much in the way of proof of anything when I registered 2 days after my birthday either.

"Vote Early, Vote Often" is Chicago's unofficial motto. There must be some measure of truth in this. Hell, the simpsons had an episode where the pet cemetery voted. Things like this dont usually invade our culture for no reason.

For voter fraud to be obvious, turn out would have to exceed registered. As it is, our turn out is abysmal. I did security for the fall 2005 Iraq elections. Those folks turned out to vote and get purple fingers.

Also, how in the fark do people go thru life with out basic ID? How do you buy smokes or booze? How do you fill out the I-9 form when you get a job? I use my ID a fairly decent amount. I really dont get it. I also dont get the opposition to an extremely minor check. Can we at least do the purple finger thing? Way cooler than a stupid sticker.
 
2012-07-13 01:50:00 PM

skullkrusher: whidbey: animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote

Oh wow. Subby still thinks that Obama didn't "really" get elected by the people again and it's a huge fraud like global warming.

Watch out, world.

subby gives no indication that that is what he thinks. Doesn't even hint at it.


Pretty sure it's a slag on Democrats putting dead people, dogs or non-existent people on ballots to bolster votes. It's an old trick, thanks for the Lady Justice impersonation, nonetheless.
 
2012-07-13 02:00:19 PM

whidbey: skullkrusher: whidbey: animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote

Oh wow. Subby still thinks that Obama didn't "really" get elected by the people again and it's a huge fraud like global warming.

Watch out, world.

subby gives no indication that that is what he thinks. Doesn't even hint at it.

Pretty sure it's a slag on Democrats putting dead people, dogs or non-existent people on ballots to bolster votes. It's an old trick, thanks for the Lady Justice impersonation, nonetheless.


it's also a partial direct quote from TFA

"targeting Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as unmarried women, blacks, Latinos and young adults."
 
2012-07-13 02:06:10 PM

Bloody William: Has there ever been a case where people casting additional fraudulent votes, individually, at polling centers, has turned an election?


I am told repeatedly that this is the ONLY way any Democrat can ever win any election, anywhere in Amercia.
 
2012-07-13 02:19:36 PM

MindStalker: RowdyRough: I HEARD, YOU CAN GET VOTING REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS AT THE DMV, THEY DON'T EVEN ASK WHO YOU ARE, OR MAKE YOU PRODUCE ID.


/AND THEY COME BLANK, SO YOU COULD FILL ONE OUT FOR ANYONE, EVEN YOUR NEIGHBORS DEAD PARAKEET SNICKERS

Those filthy pirates are also printing them out at home and mailing them in.


That's what I did ... all I need is paper and toner. Just think of all the chaos i can create by printing out blank forms. BUHAHAHA
 
2012-07-13 02:39:47 PM

Mechanic81: I have spent the last 13 years SHOCKED at how lax voter security is. The first time I went to vote at age 18, I had my ID and Voter registration card out and ready to show. I was asked for neither. I never have been, though I still have them primed and ready every time. I dont recall being asked for much in the way of proof of anything when I registered 2 days after my birthday either.

"Vote Early, Vote Often" is Chicago's unofficial motto. There must be some measure of truth in this. Hell, the simpsons had an episode where the pet cemetery voted. Things like this dont usually invade our culture for no reason.

For voter fraud to be obvious, turn out would have to exceed registered. As it is, our turn out is abysmal. I did security for the fall 2005 Iraq elections. Those folks turned out to vote and get purple fingers.

Also, how in the fark do people go thru life with out basic ID? How do you buy smokes or booze? How do you fill out the I-9 form when you get a job? I use my ID a fairly decent amount. I really dont get it. I also dont get the opposition to an extremely minor check. Can we at least do the purple finger thing? Way cooler than a stupid sticker.


The Simpsons is not a documentary. If we find cases of this type of thing happening in real life, that might be worth checking into, but the fact that it happened in Springfield does not cause me to fear for the future of our great nation.
 
2012-07-13 02:46:17 PM

skullkrusher: whidbey: animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote

Oh wow. Subby still thinks that Obama didn't "really" get elected by the people again and it's a huge fraud like global warming.

Watch out, world.

subby gives no indication that that is what he thinks. Doesn't even hint at it.


Shhh, you'll interrupt the conversation whidbey is having with the people inside his head.
 
2012-07-13 02:49:54 PM

FloydA: If we find cases of this type of thing happening in real life, that might be worth checking into


You "we've never found fraud" people conveniently bypass the whole, "You don't find what you don't seek" aspect of that claim.

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2012-07-13 03:11:18 PM

jjorsett: FloydA: If we find cases of this type of thing happening in real life, that might be worth checking into

You "we've never found fraud" people conveniently bypass the whole, "You don't find what you don't seek" aspect of that claim.

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OK, show me. I am quite willing to look at the evidence of voter fraud. Show me the cases of individuals voting illegally or voting more than once in a single election.


[Note: Registration fraud and election fraud are not the same thing as voter fraud.]
 
2012-07-13 03:33:43 PM
If you have a facebook account you're automatically registered to vote.
 
2012-07-13 04:33:29 PM

jjorsett: FloydA: If we find cases of this type of thing happening in real life, that might be worth checking into

You "we've never found fraud" people conveniently bypass the whole, "You don't find what you don't seek" aspect of that claim.

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So the five year investigation by Bush's Justice Department doesn't count as looking? The Brennan Center analysis of voter fraud doesn't count as looking? Or is it just that the result of those investigations are inconvenient to your beliefs? Maybe it's just that you know that disenfranchising Democrats is exactly what Republicans have said they use Voter ID laws for.

So which is it? Impervious to facts or maliciously anti-American?
 
2012-07-14 06:25:34 PM
Citizen's United-cash funded anti-progressive psy-ops
 
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