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2012-07-13 09:38:17 AM
10 Presidents Nobody Remembers

By Miss Cellania in History, Mentalfloss on Jul 13, 2012 at 5:05 am

We don't recall ever seeing them on our coins, stamps, or monuments, but we're told the following seven men were once president of the United States. Go figure!


I'm figuring, I'm figuring...
 
2012-07-13 10:04:31 AM
10 presidents nobody heard of if they were born after 1995 and went to public school

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-13 10:07:21 AM
In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He's just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump


/I rarely post block quotes of lyrics, but this is the first time it's seemed relevant enough to do so.
 
2012-07-13 10:08:19 AM
We are the mediocre presidents.
You won't find our faces on dollars or on cents!
There's Taylor, there's Tyler,
There's Fillmore and there's Hayes.
There's William Henry Harrison,
I died in thirty days!
All: We... are... the...
Adequate, forgettable,
Occasionally regrettable
Caretaker presidents of the U-S-A!
 
2012-07-13 10:10:00 AM
tfa author thinks most people haven't ever had an education on the Great Depression?

Or is he thinking that people have heard of Hoover, but don't realize he was president?

/hoping it's the second. Or he's trolling
 
2012-07-13 10:10:02 AM
Herbert Hoover? Seriously?
 
2012-07-13 10:12:10 AM
I eighth grade, we had to pull President's names out of a hat and write a five page report on them. I drew Millard Fillmore. I honestly thought it was a joke at first, but the teacher assured me he was a real president. I looked him up in the encyclopedia (that was something we used to find information in the pre-internet days) and there were only about twp pages worth of information there.

Awesome.
 
2012-07-13 10:12:13 AM

grinding_journalist: In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He's just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump

/I rarely post block quotes of lyrics, but this is the first time it's seemed relevant enough to do so.


I feel compelled to comment on this just because.
 
2012-07-13 10:16:39 AM

thisone: tfa author thinks most people haven't ever had an education on the Great Depression?

Or is he thinking that people have heard of Hoover, but don't realize he was president?

/hoping it's the second. Or he's trolling


I think the issue is that people do not realize who was or was not a President. There are people who think Ben Franklin was at one point President. Its possible that people are just misinformed or just did not study in American History.
 
2012-07-13 10:17:22 AM
What about the presidents we had under the Articles of Confederation?
 
2012-07-13 10:19:49 AM

davidhyde: What about the presidents we had under the Articles of Confederation?


don't be unAmerican citizen. George Washington was the first president. And he had wooden teeth, and he chopped down a cherry tree, and he didn't lie about it.
 
2012-07-13 10:21:12 AM
They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.
 
2012-07-13 10:22:41 AM

MisterLoki: Herbert Hoover? Seriously?


Harding, Arthur and Hayes are on that list, too.

It's almost as if one political party's legacy between Reconstruction and the Depression is being whitewashed...can't imagine why that would be.
 
2012-07-13 10:24:51 AM
while J.M. doesn't get much airtime nowadays, he's got no reason to hang his head.

Except for the fact that he was the Linda Tripp of his time.

And if you remembered "Ol' Small Government Herbie" and the outcomes of his policies, you wouldn't be trashing public education, subtard.
 
2012-07-13 10:26:20 AM

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


He must have done something important, otherwise why would Al Bundy's high school be named after him?

www.80stees.com
 
2012-07-13 10:28:05 AM

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


He was the first President to give congress the middle finger as he launched a war.
 
2012-07-13 10:28:39 AM

grinding_journalist: In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He's just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump

/I rarely post block quotes of lyrics, but this is the first time it's seemed relevant enough to do so.


I came for the TMBG reference

/leaving happy
 
2012-07-13 10:29:39 AM
afro-squad.com
 
2012-07-13 10:30:22 AM

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


Fought and won a war in Mexico, managed to keep all his main campaign promises, including the promise to serve only one term, died months after stepping down, the shortest post-presidency life span thus far. There's more, but I wasn't planning to write a report today.

/take off Hoover, put Polk somewhere on that list.
 
2012-07-13 10:33:09 AM
"Miss Cellania" seems to have left off the most significant accomplishment of Millard Fillmore's career: sending Matthew Perry to open Japan to international trade, ultimately sparking a civil war in that country. Didn't reap that many rewards for the US in the short term but it definitely changed the course of history.

Also, discussing Rutherford Hayes without talking about the end of Reconstruction? That's a huge miss.

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


James Knox Polk? The guy who presided over the Mexican-American War and expanded US territory by almost 1/3? The most successful president to never run for re-election? Real obscure.
 
2012-07-13 10:33:38 AM
Actually, some of our best Presidents are on that list. The reason we don't remember them is because nothing terrible happened during their presidency, they had no major wars, they kept Government from overreaching, but didn't majorly interfere with goings-on. That's what we want from a President. It's the warmongers, self-aggrandizers, and charismatic manipulators we remember. We could only wish to get another John Tyler or Grover Cleveland nowadays.
 
2012-07-13 10:40:12 AM

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


No, he's quite well remembered. Actually, Polk is a perfect example of my point. He was a dictatorial warmonger who expanded executive power, started a war with another country for land grabbing, and now he's regularly considered in the top tier of Presidents for doing it. It calls into question what are values really are when we praise someone like Polk.
 
2012-07-13 10:40:52 AM

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


Read the thread before posting, did you not?

dkoucky: I came for the TMBG reference


It's the only TMBG song with a "singing saw" in it. Such a bizarre sound.

/flood is/was their best album imho
 
2012-07-13 10:41:10 AM

Arkanaut: "Miss Cellania" seems to have left off the most significant accomplishment of Millard Fillmore's career: sending Matthew Perry to open Japan to international trade


"Could you be any more protectionist?"

Virtuoso80: We could only wish to get another John Tyler


If it's a secessionist you want, Rick Perry could run again.
 
2012-07-13 10:43:21 AM

Arkanaut: Miss Cellania" seems to have left off the most significant accomplishment of Millard Fillmore's career: sending Matthew Perry to open Japan to international trade, ultimately sparking a civil war in that country. Didn't reap that many rewards for the US in the short term but it definitely changed the course of history.


Only Fillmore could have gone to Japan.
 
2012-07-13 10:44:25 AM
I went to public school. I knew all of these Presidents.
 
2012-07-13 10:44:55 AM

Wendy's Chili: Arkanaut: "Miss Cellania" seems to have left off the most significant accomplishment of Millard Fillmore's career: sending Matthew Perry to open Japan to international trade

"Could you be any more protectionist?"


I would also argue that civil service reform was Chet's most significant accomplishment.
 
2012-07-13 10:49:49 AM
image.spreadshirt.com
 
2012-07-13 10:52:21 AM

IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


The best president from Tennessee and one of the top ten in American history. If there was any justice, he'd replace genocidal bastard Andy Jackson on our money.

He kept his campaign promises and refused to run again. He ended the Mexico question once and for all. He kept peace between the North and South better than his predecessors or successors. And he did it all by working through the proper channels and not going all dictatorial like Jackson, Lincoln, and FDR.

More presidents need to have him as a model rather than Reagan or FDR.

On the other hand, the Mexican War started the hippy movement in the US, so maybe it really is a wash.
 
2012-07-13 11:00:28 AM

mechgreg: We are the mediocre presidents.
You won't find our faces on dollars or on cents!
There's Taylor, there's Tyler,
There's Fillmore and there's Hayes.
There's William Henry Harrison,
I died in thirty days!
All: We... are... the...
Adequate, forgettable,
Occasionally regrettable
Caretaker presidents of the U-S-A!


... or never heard of Tiny Toon Adventures :

Heigh ho!
Do you know,
The names of the US residents
Who then became the Presidents
And got a view from the White House-heigh-ho
Of Pennsylvania Avenue

George Washington was the first, you see
He once chopped down a cherry tree

President number two would be
John Adams and then number three

Tom Jefferson stayed up to write
The Constitution late at night
So he and his wife had a great big fight
And she made him sleep on the couch all night

James Madison never had a son
then he fought the War of 1812

James Monroe's colossal nose
Was bigger than Pinnochio's

John Quincy Adams was number six
And it's Andrew Jackson's butt he kicked
So Jackson learns to play politics
Next time he's the one that the country picks

Martin Van Buren number eight
For a one term shot as chief of state

William Harrison, how do you praise
That guy was dead in thirty days!

John Tyler he liked country folk
And after him came President Polk
Zachary Taylor liked to smoke
His breath killed friends whenever he spoke

1850, really nifty
Millard Fillmore's in
Young and fierce was Franklin Pierce
The man without a chin

Follows next a period spannin'
Four long years with James Buchanan
Then the South start shootin' cannon
And we've got a civil war

A war!
A war down south in Dixie!

Up to bat comes old Abe Lincoln
There's a guy who's really thinkin'
Kept the United States from shrinking
Saved the ship of state from sinking

Andrew Johnson's next
He had some slight defects
Congress each
Would impeach
And so the county now elects

Ulysses Simpson Grant
Who would scream and rave and rant
While drinking whiskey
Although risky
Cause he'd spill it on his pants

It's 1877 and the democrats would gloat
But they're all amazed when Rutherford Hayes
Wins by just one vote

James Garfield, someone really hated
Cause he was assassinated
Chester Arthur gets instated
Four years later he was traded

For Grover Cleveland, really fat
Elected twice as a Democrat
Then Benjamin Harrison after that
It's William McKinley up at bat

Teddy Roosevelt charged up San Juan Hill
And President Taft he got the bill
In 1913 Woodrow Wilson
Takes us into World War One

Warren Harding he does fine
It's Calvin Coolidge next in line
And then in 1929
The market crashes and we find

It's Herbert Hoover's big debut
He gets the blame and loses to
Franklin Roosevelt, president who
Helped us win in World War Two

Harry Truman, weird little human
Serves two terms and when he's done
It's Eisenhower who's got the power
From '53 to '61

John F. Kennedy, he gets shot
So Lyndon Johnson takes his spot
Richard Nixon he gets caught
And Gerald Ford fell down a lot

Jimmy Carter liked campaign trips
And Ronald Reagan's speeches' scripts
All came from famous movie clips
And President Bush said "read my lips"

Now in Washington, D.C.
It's Democrats and the G.O.P.
But the one in charge is plain to see
It's Clinton, first name Hillary

The next President to lead the way
Well, it just might be yourself one day
Then the press'll distort everything you say
So jump in your plane and fly away
 
2012-07-13 11:01:27 AM

luidprand: IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.

The best president from Tennessee and one of the top ten in American history. If there was any justice, he'd replace genocidal bastard Andy Jackson on our money.

He kept his campaign promises and refused to run again. He ended the Mexico question once and for all. He kept peace between the North and South better than his predecessors or successors. And he did it all by working through the proper channels and not going all dictatorial like Jackson, Lincoln, and FDR.

More presidents need to have him as a model rather than Reagan or FDR.

On the other hand, the Mexican War started the hippy movement in the US, so maybe it really is a wash.


I believe Obama used him as a model when he said, "We're goin' into Libya, biatches!"
 
2012-07-13 11:01:49 AM

MisterLoki: Herbert Hoover? Seriously?


Didn't he invent the vacuum cleaner?
 
2012-07-13 11:02:17 AM
Who can't remember a president with the campaign slogan "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too"?
 
2012-07-13 11:02:51 AM

ArcadianRefugee: MisterLoki: Herbert Hoover? Seriously?

Didn't he invent the vacuum cleaner?


No, he built the Hoover dam.
 
2012-07-13 11:06:32 AM

Wendy's Chili: luidprand: IronJelly: They forgot one that needs to be on that list.

We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.

The best president from Tennessee and one of the top ten in American history. If there was any justice, he'd replace genocidal bastard Andy Jackson on our money.

He kept his campaign promises and refused to run again. He ended the Mexico question once and for all. He kept peace between the North and South better than his predecessors or successors. And he did it all by working through the proper channels and not going all dictatorial like Jackson, Lincoln, and FDR.

More presidents need to have him as a model rather than Reagan or FDR.

On the other hand, the Mexican War started the hippy movement in the US, so maybe it really is a wash.

I believe Obama used him as a model when he said, "We're goin' into Libya, biatches!"


Actually, Polk started a war for no good reason, and then lied about the reasons to congress. If you want a comparison, George Dubya is the perfect fit.
 
2012-07-13 11:07:47 AM
Why is Monroe on this list? Do you honestly mean to tell me that no one was taught about the Monroe Doctrine? I guess so, because the author didn't even reference the sort of claim that essentially kept Europe out of the Americas for the next hundred years.

/of course the effectiveness is disputed based on whether the Europeans even cared to interfere in the Americas
//but at least in my school it was taught like this was the Sign From God That Kept Away Imperialism
 
2012-07-13 11:15:13 AM
I'll always remember Fillmore as the 13th president from what grandma Stallone thought me in the sixth grade. When you have a dozen of eggs in the carton and you Fillmore, the next egg is number 13. It changed my way of remembering numbers by association.
 
2012-07-13 11:20:54 AM
Yes, it's kinda pointless to do direct rankings, but I'm a geek about this, so here it is for discussion:

The Ivan Eland rankings, based on his PP&L (Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty) standard:

EXCELLENT
1 John Tyler
2 Grover Cleveland
3 Martin van Buren
4 Rutherford B. Hayes
GOOD
5 Chester A Artur
6 Warren G Harding
7 George Washington
8 Jimmy Carter
9 Dwight D Eisenhower
10 Calvin Coolidge
Average
11 Bill Clinton
12 John Quincy Adams
13 Zachary Taylor
14 Millard Fillmore
POOR
15 Benjamin Harrison
16 Gerald Ford
17 Andrew Johnson
18 Herbert Hoover
19 U.S. Grant
20 William Howard Taft
21 Theodore Roosevelt
22 John Adams
23 James Buchanan
24 Franklin Pierce
BAD
25 James Monroe
26 Thomas Jefferson
27 Andrew Jackson
28 James Madison
29 Abraham Lincoln
30 Richard Nixon
31 FDR
32 LBJ
33 George HW Bush
34 Ronald Reagan
35 JFK
36 George W Bush
37 James K Polk
38 William McKinley
39 Harry S. Truman
40 Woodrow Wilson

Compare this with the conventional wisdom, and you'll see some pretty major disparities.
 
2012-07-13 11:23:33 AM
I'm assuming that David Rice Atchison was on the list, yes?
 
2012-07-13 11:38:32 AM

Virtuoso80: The Ivan Eland rankings, based on his PP&L (Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty) standard:

EXCELLENT
1 John Tyler


I'm guessing Ivan Eland isn't black.
 
2012-07-13 11:45:53 AM
All the refresher anyone ever needs.

The Presidents, Johnathon Coulton

Bonus: Animaniacs - Presidents
 
2012-07-13 11:47:45 AM
I did a survey in my college's Department of History to see who could name all the presidents and all the states from memory.

The most forgotten president was James Monroe, and the most forgotten state was New Hampshire.

To be honest, I don't think New Hampshire actually exists. Has anyone actually met a person from New Hampshire? I didn't think so.
 
2012-07-13 11:54:57 AM

Wendy's Chili: Virtuoso80: The Ivan Eland rankings, based on his PP&L (Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty) standard:

EXCELLENT
1 John Tyler

I'm guessing Ivan Eland isn't black.


Well, he did put the most overtly racist President in US history at the very bottom, so you can't assume.
 
2012-07-13 11:56:39 AM

IronJelly: We had a president named "Polk." We did. I bet nobody here can tell me anything about him without a google (or wikipedia) search.


I remember that he declined to run for a second term, but I would guess that this is by far what he's most known for.
 
2012-07-13 11:58:17 AM
www.wearysloth.com
Chester A. Arthur! You asked who was the 21st president of the united states!
 
2012-07-13 12:07:36 PM

Virtuoso80: EXCELLENT
3 Martin van Buren


You're just spreading Van Buren Boys propaganda.

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2012-07-13 12:20:14 PM
What about Harrison? He only lived for 30 days after taking office, and was sick most of that time.
 
2012-07-13 12:28:49 PM
Martin Van Buren got stuck in little Pete's nose....
 
2012-07-13 12:30:42 PM

Virtuoso80: Wendy's Chili: Virtuoso80: The Ivan Eland rankings, based on his PP&L (Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty) standard:

EXCELLENT
1 John Tyler

I'm guessing Ivan Eland isn't black.

Well, he did put the most overtly racist President in US history at the very bottom, so you can't assume.


The list looks to me like a ranking of who exerted the least amount of federal authority during their tenure.
 
2012-07-13 12:44:20 PM
This is the most times I've ever been quoted in one thread.

For what it's worth I wasn't trolling. I had only heard the name, he never came up in history in high school, and without help from the Animaniacs, I would not have known him from most of the other men on the list.

Fark, you guys surprise me in a good way. Thanks.
 
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