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2012-07-13 09:10:17 AM
Allow me to be the first to say: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
 
2012-07-13 09:12:13 AM
Worshipping money and those who have it is as American as apple pie.

Since the 80s anyway...
 
2012-07-13 09:12:31 AM
I would never say that people aren't entitled to their money. I get irritated when people think they made their money by themselves in a vacuum, and are thus exempt from paying taxes. We live in a society that provides protection and services that allow rich people to succeed. Pay up.
 
2012-07-13 09:12:34 AM
FTFA: Most Americans still have positive views of the wealthy and hope to become rich one day themselves.


And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the 'mercan public.

If you just work hard enough, maybe you can be rich too! It's not until retirement time that most realize they've been had. Plus with continous attacks on SSI and Medicare -- they are coming for that too.
 
2012-07-13 09:13:37 AM
What kind of fool begrudges people their money.
 
2012-07-13 09:13:42 AM
What? You mean some people believe the government should allow people to keep SOME of what they earn? Gasp!

Clearly, the only FAIR thing to do is tax away all the money from everyone who makes more money than I do, and distribute it equally. It's only FAIR!

How much money do I make? Whatsamatter, bucko? Worried that you'll have to give me some of your money?

Reward the fail, America. The fundamental precept of psychology is false...trust me
 
2012-07-13 09:16:04 AM
Who cares if they "deserve" it. Deserve is not the issue. It's theirs. End of story. shiatall we po' folks can do about it.

/not bitter
//going broke from medical bills
///my profession is considered middle class. Hah!
 
2012-07-13 09:16:35 AM
The rich do deserve their money. They worked so hard to get it, unlike you lazy proles who chatter away on internet forums all day!
 
2012-07-13 09:16:44 AM
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. - Steinbeck
 
2012-07-13 09:16:47 AM

SevenizGud: What? You mean some people believe the government should allow people to keep SOME of what they earn? Gasp!


Because rich people are taxed 100% of their income! It's so unfair! The only solution is to ensure they are taxed 0%! THERE IS NO POSSIBLE MIDDLE GROUND!
 
2012-07-13 09:16:49 AM
I have no problem with people working hard, earning and then enjoying their money. And if they earn enough to pay someone who is smart enough (or are smart enough themselves) to navigate and exploit the tax laws that are in effect so that they pay little to no tax, then fair play to them.
 
2012-07-13 09:16:55 AM

Abox: What kind of fool begrudges people their money.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2012-07-13 09:17:02 AM

j0e_average: FTFA: Most Americans still have positive views of the wealthy and hope to become rich one day themselves.


And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the 'mercan public.


Pretty much yeah. You ask these people who think they're going to be rich one day how they plan on going about accomplishing that and you get a blank stare. They just think it'll happen eventually, meanwhile their pension is being looted by their bosses and their wages are stagnating
 
2012-07-13 09:17:34 AM
Same as it ever was.

art.laborarts.clients.singlebrook.com
 
2012-07-13 09:17:41 AM
There should be a law that whenever reports talk about the findings of a survey they have to link to the full think with the methodology. Even on the Globescan website all I can find is a press release.
 
2012-07-13 09:17:44 AM
lolfed.com
 
2012-07-13 09:17:58 AM
I used to feel alot different about it until I worked extremely hard, didnt take vacations, saved like a madman, took some great risks with investments, studied about things I didnt know about until I felt I understood them enough to make a sound decision involving them, sacrificed my standard of living in order to hopefully better my financial future and then actually earned some real money. I am not yet 40 years old and have MANY more assets than the average American my age and willing to bet more money in my bank account than 95% of people my age or close-- Now, I want to keep my money and make sure I dont have to give it to others because they arent willing to do the same

DNRTFA
 
2012-07-13 09:18:13 AM
Most rich people deserve it, if by deserve you mean earned it.

The real question is what kind of taxes they should pay.
 
2012-07-13 09:18:17 AM
Aww, a whole country of people who think they might be rich one day. How adorable!

Americans, such a quaint and simple people. It's a wonder why the world at large doesn't care for them.
 
2012-07-13 09:21:04 AM
Mitt Romney loves tax loopholes, hates Trident.
 
2012-07-13 09:21:19 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Fourth Doctor?


Dentist Who... worst. spin-off. evar.
 
2012-07-13 09:21:33 AM
What do the wealthiest people think about this?

www.tomtom.com
I'd trade in all my wealth....for just a little bit more.
 
2012-07-13 09:22:02 AM

j0e_average: Same as it ever was.

[art.laborarts.clients.singlebrook.com image 512x662]


I love that illustration. The new version:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-13 09:22:04 AM

Aarontology: j0e_average: FTFA: Most Americans still have positive views of the wealthy and hope to become rich one day themselves.


And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the 'mercan public.

Pretty much yeah. You ask these people who think they're going to be rich one day how they plan on going about accomplishing that and you get a blank stare. They just think it'll happen eventually, meanwhile their pension is being looted by their bosses and their wages are stagnating


America is a country where people at least have a chance of changing the social station they were born into. Can it be done? Yes and I am proof of that. Is it easy? Absolutely not, and it is getting harder to do so.
 
2012-07-13 09:22:06 AM

Ess_Aytch: Aww, a whole country of people who think they might be rich one day. How adorable!

Americans, such a quaint and simple people. It's a wonder why the world at large doesn't care for them.


As opposed, say, to a country where generations of families do nothing but stay on the public dole so that they don't get kicked out of council housing?

Yeah, I can see why wishing to be rich is *so* much worse.
 
2012-07-13 09:22:17 AM
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2012-07-13 09:23:07 AM

j0e_average: Same as it ever was.

[art.laborarts.clients.singlebrook.com image 512x662]



If that was really the case the folks on the bottom could just drop the whole thing. The real, practical division in society (as opposed to the whiney division depicted) is a vertical line down the center of that picture. Put all the competent, sensible folks on one side and the incompetent d-bags on the other.
 
2012-07-13 09:23:08 AM

stuhayes2010: Most rich people deserve it, if by deserve you mean earned it.

The real question is what kind of taxes they should pay.


Okay, I work for a large hated institution and make a six-figure salary. I have always scratched my head over how I could be paid so much, and others such as nurses get paid so little, even though we need nurses much more than we need b**k**s.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not going to stop collecting...but in the great scheme of things, I recognize that this country has it all backwards.
 
2012-07-13 09:23:17 AM

Highway61Revisited: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x322]

Fourth Doctor?


Dentist Who... worst. spin-off. evar.


I see the proper response has been covered. My GIS efforts were unneeded.
 
2012-07-13 09:24:05 AM

poe_zlaw: I used to feel alot different about it until I worked extremely hard, didnt take vacations, saved like a madman, took some great risks with investments, studied about things I didnt know about until I felt I understood them enough to make a sound decision involving them, sacrificed my standard of living in order to hopefully better my financial future and then actually earned some real money. I am not yet 40 years old and have MANY more assets than the average American my age and willing to bet more money in my bank account than 95% of people my age or close-- Now, I want to keep my money and make sure I dont have to give it to others because they arent willing to do the same

DNRTFA


Congratulations, but unless you are making more than 1.5 million a year you still aren't part of the 1% or what many would consider rich, and unless you are making over 25 million a year you aren't part of the .05%.

You perfectly illustrated the problem with this survey. When people hear "rich" they fill in their own definition. Making 200,000 a year is rich in most of the country but middle class in some major cities.
 
2012-07-13 09:24:25 AM

j0e_average: even though we need nurses much more than we need b**k**s.


bigkoks?
 
2012-07-13 09:24:30 AM
This is such a bullshiat headline. Most people don't despise the wealthy for their wealth. Most people simply feel like everyone should pay their fair share, and that the wealthy can afford to pay a little more. In addition, most people feel like capital gains (if they even understand what they are) are income just like wages received at work, and should be taxed accordingly.

What people do despise is rich individuals and corporations using their power, influence, and financial means to avoid paying taxes or paying their fair share. In addition, nobody likes those who use their means to be above the law.
 
2012-07-13 09:26:20 AM

Abox: j0e_average: Same as it ever was.

If that was really the case the folks on the bottom could just drop the whole thing.


You mean like all of the people who complain about cable tv and satellite, but refuse to do anything about it?

Big business and the government DEPEND on the herd mentality of the proletariat to maintain the status quo. Those men with guns are there for when the bottom DOES drop out.
 
2012-07-13 09:26:38 AM

Ess_Aytch: Aww, a whole country of people who think they might be rich one day. How adorable!

Americans, such a quaint and simple people. It's a wonder why the world at large doesn't care for them.


This is a valid point-- almost everyone says "when I am rich" and actually believe it-- It is when they realize it isnt happening and their egos are hurt, so they do what they can to act rich: Buy a house they cant afford, drive a fancy car they scrape by to make payments on, finance huge tv's with the most expensive cable package they can get.

If people would focus on lowering their monthly bills by wisely choosing financing methods for their homes, driving old, paid-off cars, wearing modest shoes and cheaper sunglasses, not eating out, getting rid of HBO and Showtime- Americans would quickly see their bank accounts grow. It really isnt what you do as much as what you DONT do that will put money in your bank account. Quit picking up other people's tabs at the restaurant when you go out- they dont think you're rich and they dont do it for you.
 
2012-07-13 09:27:03 AM
Yawner article by a guy who writes blurbs that can be digested by rich white folk while they wait in their limos as their jets are fueled.

I am sure the polls have some meaning, but if you look at this dude's article history, they are all little mini blubs about the oh-so-difficult lives of overly rich people and how things like helicopter noise in the Hamptons is akin to anarchy and the cultured elite are able to poop more cultured feces than the 99%.

Pass the caviar.
 
2012-07-13 09:29:51 AM
A larger and larger wealth disparity, a loss of essential public services, quality public education k-college, and a lack of well paying middle class jobs throws a wrench in the idea of the "American Dream"

People are still living in the fantasy land they read about in school

/love the title subby. I predict 15 pages
 
2012-07-13 09:30:06 AM
Orgasmatron138: I would never say that people aren't entitled to their money. I get irritated when people think they made their money by themselves in a vacuum, and are thus exempt from paying taxes. We live in a society that provides protection and services that allow rich people to succeed. Pay up.

I certainly have nothing to add to this. Except possibly to say "this."
 
2012-07-13 09:30:43 AM

Yellow Beard: America is a country where people at least have a chance of changing the social station they were born into. Can it be done? Yes and I am proof of that. Is it easy? Absolutely not, and it is getting harder to do so.


And that's one of the major problems. Social mobility is becoming harder and harder to achieve due to policies that make it very difficult to move up, but also preserve the statues of those who are already at the top.

We're near the bottom of the list of social mobility amongst western industrialized nations.
 
2012-07-13 09:31:23 AM
So can Subby please make a case for why they don't? Not some tiny subset of them, but at least a majority. This will include a definition of "rich."

Citations will be required for non-credible statistical claims.

Also, why does this belief differ from saying everyone should be equally poor?
 
2012-07-13 09:31:57 AM
So it begins. The media will spend the rest of this election cycle attacking "the rich", and will infer Romney every time without telling you that Obama is also very rich.

The class envy thing is worn out. Not everyone can be rich, but you can be comfortable if you get off your backside and work for it.
 
2012-07-13 09:32:43 AM

poe_zlaw: I used to feel alot different about it until I worked extremely hard, didnt take vacations, saved like a madman, took some great risks with investments, studied about things I didnt know about until I felt I understood them enough to make a sound decision involving them, sacrificed my standard of living in order to hopefully better my financial future and then actually earned some real money. I am not yet 40 years old and have MANY more assets than the average American my age and willing to bet more money in my bank account than 95% of people my age or close-- Now, I want to keep my money and make sure I dont have to give it to others because they arent willing to do the same

DNRTFA


Aren't willing or aren't able? Good opportunities simply do not occur for the majority of people because there are more people looking for them and working for them than there are opportunities out there to take advantage of. I mean, it is telling that one of the single best predictors of success in the United States is socioeconomic background: more children born to middle- or upper-class families go on to succeed than children born to lower-income families. This isn't to say everyone in one group does better or worse than everyone in the other group, but as a trend that's more or less how it goes.

I think a leveling of the playing field is necessary, and a good way to do that is for those who came from relatively privileged, or lucky backgrounds to put a little of their gains out there to give opportunities for those who, for whatever reason, didn't get a good education because of a poorly funded school system in their area, or weren't friends with the CEOs son, or had the misfortune of being a minority that is still discriminated against in even subtle ways.

This is not the same as saying rich people, as a rule, don't deserve their money because they just happened to know the right people or got lucky. No, most people who do well for themselves put in the necessary hard work to do as well as they do, but their hard work probably would have paid off less if they hadn't had a good letter of recommendation from a family friend or a really awesome professor. Maybe, keeping that in mind, we could all appreciate how sometimes all it takes for a person to succeed is for them to be given the opportunity to make their hard work count, as was the case for a great many of us. And, at least for me, that makes me perfectly willing to give up some of mine. Given some of the incredible stories we occasionally see on Fark about some really dedicated, absolute hard-worker who never quit and accomplished something in spite of having started with almost nothing, it makes me wonder how many more stories like those we could hear if all of us were willing to give up just a tiny bit more than we currently do.
 
2012-07-13 09:33:06 AM

SevenizGud: What? You mean some people believe the government should allow people to keep SOME of what they earn? Gasp!

Clearly, the only FAIR thing to do is tax away all the money from everyone who makes more money than I do, and distribute it equally. It's only FAIR!

How much money do I make? Whatsamatter, bucko? Worried that you'll have to give me some of your money?

Reward the fail, America. The fundamental precept of psychology is false...trust me



It isn't your money. You want a free lunch. You think all the services you use are entitled to you, no taxes needed. The government can survive on donations and prayers.

Any dollar earned is from someone else busting their ass to help you. If you bail out on a nice dinner when the check comes, that's stealing.

The American dream was made possible with high tax rates on corporations and the wealthy. They weren't hurting for money and you don't hurt your chances of being rich with higher taxes on them, it ironically hurts your ability to move up. That's why socialist countries like the UK, Canada, Sweden and others have better upward mobility rates.
 
2012-07-13 09:35:04 AM
What is a "fair share"? If you can't define what it is, how can I pay it?
 
2012-07-13 09:35:09 AM

happyleper: As opposed, say, to a country where generations of families do nothing but stay on the public dole so that they don't get kicked out of council housing?

Yeah, I can see why wishing to be rich is *so* much worse.


No, you're right. There is no middle ground. People either stay on the dole their whole lives, or strive to be wealthy. Not a single person in the world works hard and is content supporting themselves and/or their family but at the same time not being able to afford a giant house, expensive car or the latest electronics. Nope, such a person does not exist.
 
2012-07-13 09:35:17 AM
The socialist view of capitalist class struggle has been debunked. Better luck next time you bitter angry people.
 
2012-07-13 09:35:41 AM

Vrpljbrwock: Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. - Steinbeck


Priceless.
 
2012-07-13 09:35:42 AM
Here's the real problem with the article: the questions are single-item measures of fairly deep and complex feelings. Asking "Do the rich deserve their wealth" really doesn't capture much. Hell, I'd probably answer yes, because people who work hard, take some chances and have a bit of luck deserve to profit from their efforts. So, sure, the rich deserve their wealth, but I still think the tax rate on earned income over $1 million should be 50%. I still think that inheritance and capital gains taxes should make a come-back. I can't think of a single ethical or moral justification why money earned by the sweat of my brow should be taxed at a higher rate than money earned effortlessly through my portfolio.
 
2012-07-13 09:36:04 AM

poe_zlaw: I used to feel alot different about it until I worked extremely hard, didnt take vacations, saved like a madman, took some great risks with investments, studied about things I didnt know about until I felt I understood them enough to make a sound decision involving them, sacrificed my standard of living in order to hopefully better my financial future and then actually earned some real money. I am not yet 40 years old and have MANY more assets than the average American my age and willing to bet more money in my bank account than 95% of people my age or close-- Now, I want to keep my money and make sure I dont have to give it to others because they arent willing to do the same

DNRTFA



Then you get hit with a huge medical bill, lose your job, or countless other things, and you find yourself back to square one, with nothing. You are too old for anyone to want to hire you, and your money goes fast. Then you're in line for food stamps and unemployment and you're thankful of some social services to help you back on your feet again.

You want to keep "your money?"

Fark you, you ignorant greedy prick. You used more services in a month than poor people do in a year but you want to skip out on the tab?
 
2012-07-13 09:36:15 AM

shotglasss: So it begins. The media will spend the rest of this election cycle attacking "the rich", and will infer Romney every time without telling you that Obama is also very rich.


Obama himself says he's rich all the time when he's talking about ending the Bush/Obama tax cuts on the wealthy. One of his standard lines is "Wealthy people like myself need to pay their fair share" or something to that effect

And Romney's entire reason for why someone should vote for him is because he's a wealthy businessman. He's pretty much tossed aside his record as governor, so his money and business experience are all he has.
 
2012-07-13 09:36:31 AM

poe_zlaw: I used to feel alot different about it until I worked extremely hard, didnt take vacations, saved like a madman, took some great risks with investments, studied about things I didnt know about until I felt I understood them enough to make a sound decision involving them, sacrificed my standard of living in order to hopefully better my financial future and then actually earned some real money. I am not yet 40 years old and have MANY more assets than the average American my age and willing to bet more money in my bank account than 95% of people my age or close-- Now, I want to keep my money and make sure I dont have to give it to others because they arent willing to do the same

DNRTFA


Appropriate nickname. It definitely applies here.
 
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