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(Detroit Free Press)   Penn State unlikely to receive "Death Penalty". I mean, it's not like players got free tattoos or a donor gave someone a car or anything... that would be far more serious   (freep.com) divider line 797
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2012-07-13 09:36:19 AM
i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.
 
2012-07-13 09:49:18 AM
If the NCAA doesn't impose the death penalty, I will have hard time ever believing they have any authority or control over college football again.

I've heard 2 arguments against the death penalty.

1. The current players and coaches had nothing to do with the Sandusky situation.

So what? The institution not only lost control of their minions, they actively covered up their heinous crimes. This way of thinking would pretty much eliminate any punishment for schools unless the action was caught right then and there. Reggie Bush? He was in the NFL making millions and farking a Kardashian while USC suffered. Eric Dickerson was outrunning defenses and buying as many gold Trans Ams as he wanted by the time SMU received the death penalty. If we used this line of reasoning, corporate crime would have no repercussions if the offending management / employees were dead or fired. Just like the SEC needs power on Wall Street, so too does the NCAA in dealing with college sports.

2. It would be economically devastating for the area to lose the revenue created during football season.

This is an unfortunate reality. The guy who owns the restaurant, the woman who owns the gas station, the company who owns the hotels... yes they will be hurt. Businesses will close, families will have to move, etc. So what? What if a physician who employs 20 people is caught for massive medicare fraud and abuse of patients. Should he or she be allowed to stay in business due to the chain-reaction of bad events that will befall his or her employees? What about the businessman who gets a DUI and is charged with reckless endangerment after severely injuring a jogger while driving under the influence? Does he deserve to not go to jail and lose his job because it will be economically painful for his family. They will probably lose their house, have to move, etc.

Actions and inaction have consequences. In this case, the very people who were making hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars for the university and community were actively covering up and enabling the rape of children. If there is a more horrendous crime I don't know what it is. Those children are irreparably broken... they will never get back to where they should be. Their lives will never be made whole again. The people who had the power to make it stop did nothing... actually, worse, they covered up and squelched any attempt to make it stop. When big people fail to act, it hurts many. Such is the responsibility of being in power. Heavy is the crown...

Let it burn.
 
2012-07-13 10:06:10 AM

alywa: If the NCAA doesn't impose the death penalty, I will have hard time ever believing they have any authority or control over college football again.


No matter what excuse they use not to $hut P$U down, this will show to the world what an utterly corrupt and revolting institution the NCAA is. Free Shoes? That's a paddlin' Coverup child rape? But...but...think of the children!!!

WE ARE thinking of the children, you asshats.
 
2012-07-13 10:07:10 AM

alywa: If the NCAA doesn't impose the death penalty, I will have hard time ever believing they have any authority or control over college football again.

I've heard 2 arguments against the death penalty.

1. The current players and coaches had nothing to do with the Sandusky situation.

So what? The institution not only lost control of their minions, they actively covered up their heinous crimes. This way of thinking would pretty much eliminate any punishment for schools unless the action was caught right then and there. Reggie Bush? He was in the NFL making millions and farking a Kardashian while USC suffered. Eric Dickerson was outrunning defenses and buying as many gold Trans Ams as he wanted by the time SMU received the death penalty. If we used this line of reasoning, corporate crime would have no repercussions if the offending management / employees were dead or fired. Just like the SEC needs power on Wall Street, so too does the NCAA in dealing with college sports.


Corporations aren't people.
 
2012-07-13 10:07:31 AM
Why are we talking about giving the death penalty to the football program and not to the assholes who let this happen?

Just sayin'.
 
2012-07-13 10:08:52 AM
Like they would EVER use the Death Penalty on a school again after seeing the lasting effects it had on SMU...
 
2012-07-13 10:09:42 AM

alywa: So what?


alywa: Let it burn.


I look forward to your resignation once you discover someone at your job committed a felony.
 
2012-07-13 10:10:08 AM

Bunny Deville: Why are we talking about giving the death penalty to the football program and not to the assholes who let this happen?

Just sayin'.


They aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2012-07-13 10:10:23 AM
Yeah let's punish the whole university for the actions of a few men.

Want to send a message? Then Curley and Spanier and Co should go to jail for a good 10 years. That will send a message.

Shutting down the football program punishes players who had nothing to do with it, coaches who had nothing to do with it, all of the other sports programs that had nothing to do with it, the student body who had nothing to do with it and all of the businesses in the town.

Maybe they should execute all of the kids in the 2nd Mile program too, just to really send a message.
 
2012-07-13 10:12:21 AM

Bunny Deville: Why are we talking about giving the death penalty to the football program and not to the assholes who let this happen?


We're not doing one at the expense of the other. In case you haven't noticed, the crimes are being taken care of.

As for why the football program deserved the death penalty, the silence was fostered by a culture that the football program is too important. Anything that important that involves a bunch of guys running around on a grass field needs its importance put in its place.

Did you ever say "too big to fail, too big to exist"? This scandal was Penn State's "too big to fail". Paterno's legacy, PSU football, coaching jobs, everything was deemed too important to do the moral thing.
 
2012-07-13 10:12:51 AM

bluelancer03: Like they would EVER use the Death Penalty on a school again after seeing the lasting effects it had on SMU...


If they could find a mid-level school that committed reasonably serious infractions...

I kinda thought that Boise St would step up and bite the bullet. You know, fear of the battle station will keep the local systems in line.

Bunny Deville: Why are we talking about giving the death penalty to the football program and not to the assholes who let this happen?


Cause the environment surrounding the football team enabled this situation. Of course, maybe I missed your point.
 
2012-07-13 10:13:01 AM
So basically, the NCAA will signal that if you're gonna fark up, fark up BIG. Like, decades long child rape cover up big. You'll be fine.
 
2012-07-13 10:13:24 AM

dragonchild: As for why the football program deserved the death penalty, the silence was fostered by a culture that the football program is too important. Anything that important that involves a bunch of guys running around on a grass field needs its importance put in its place.

Did you ever say "too big to fail, too big to exist"? This scandal was Penn State's "too big to fail". Paterno's legacy, PSU football, coaching jobs, everything was deemed too important to do the moral thing.


Then why not shut down every major football and basketball program? That's what the NCAA should do.
 
2012-07-13 10:14:05 AM

Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.


The school should be closed, and all the degrees it issued should be voided.
 
2012-07-13 10:14:24 AM

Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.


Agreed.
 
2012-07-13 10:14:31 AM

kwame: alywa: So what?

alywa: Let it burn.

I look forward to your resignation once you discover someone at your job committed a felony.


this.
 
2012-07-13 10:14:53 AM
I don't understand the death penalty as an option here. The NCAA exists to patrol competition and academic issues. As heinous as this whole situation is, it's related to neither competition nor academics. It's basically outside the NCAA's jurisdiction.
 
2012-07-13 10:15:05 AM
I don't think it's fair to the current and future student body to install the death penalty.

The correlation of Eric Dickerson and SMU as well as Reggie Bush and USC doesn't directly apply as this wasn't about players and cheating for the team. This is actually far worse but belongs in the hands of those who abetted Sandusky by their actions. Paterno's records should be wiped out as if he never coached a down. The school should and will be sued. The staff should be dealt with in the severest way possible.

I don't think taking the football program away punishes the correct people but then I don't know who all had knowledge of Sandusky's actions.
 
2012-07-13 10:15:06 AM

alywa: So what?


Ok. Whatever you do for a living gets shut down for tomorrow.

You now have to move to find work with the same amount of money. Except of course you have a house you can't get rid of.

Good luck.
 
2012-07-13 10:15:12 AM

MugzyBrown: dragonchild: As for why the football program deserved the death penalty, the silence was fostered by a culture that the football program is too important. Anything that important that involves a bunch of guys running around on a grass field needs its importance put in its place.

Did you ever say "too big to fail, too big to exist"? This scandal was Penn State's "too big to fail". Paterno's legacy, PSU football, coaching jobs, everything was deemed too important to do the moral thing.

Then why not shut down every major football and basketball program? That's what the NCAA should do.


Maybe because the other ones aren't fostering a culture of accepted child rape?
 
2012-07-13 10:15:23 AM
I'm sure that people watching this unfold are going to say "You know what? if they don't get the death penalty, I'm totally down for suppressing evidence of pedophilia. Being fired, disgraced, and possibly jailed is such a small potential punishment!"

No, continue pretending that tons of kids need to be booted out of scholarships and tons of people who didn't know have to lose their jobs out of some completely disproportionate outrage mostly stemming from the fact that you hate college football. It's weird how the report shows that, upon the initial incident, all of the original charges were ignored by police and institutional leaders whom are now fired and facing jail time, not anyone associated with the football program.

And for you idiots who claim Paterno controlled the entire university, what do you think Paterno would've done if the university president went to the board of trustees and said anything about Sandusky's pedophilia? At the point that anyone outside of the power structure knows, there's no tenable position Paterno can take and there's no realistic threat he can make to anyone that would keep him and his program from being discredited as much as they have been since the news broke.

But hey, continue your irrational hate parade and lack of critical thinking skills because you're mad at college football.
 
2012-07-13 10:15:24 AM
I don't think they should shut the program down, however they should have to play every game for the next fifteen years one man short on both offense and defense.
 
2012-07-13 10:15:27 AM

MugzyBrown: Shutting down the football program punishes players who had nothing to do with it, coaches who had nothing to do with it, all of the other sports programs that had nothing to do with it, the student body who had nothing to do with it and all of the businesses in the town.


The key is that it punishes the program, which is the system that allowed this and on some level fostered it.

Nobody cries when other criminal enterprises are shut down.
 
2012-07-13 10:15:32 AM

Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.


And toss out anyone that knew and did nothing to protect the children, but did try to cover for and protect Sandusky.
 
2012-07-13 10:16:47 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So basically, the NCAA will signal that if you're gonna fark up, fark up BIG. Like, decades long child rape cover up big. You'll be fine.


No no, just make sure the coverup is good enough that you have the school/area dependent on your success. Then they can't shut you down, you're too important from all the coverups you did! Ta-da!
 
2012-07-13 10:17:08 AM

Ned Stark: Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.

The school should be closed, and all the degrees it issued should be voided.


their academic programs didn't cover up decades of kiddie rape. the football program, on the other hand, should be purged with fire.
 
2012-07-13 10:17:32 AM

MugzyBrown: Yeah let's punish the whole university for the actions of a few men.


sounds good to me and most sane people!
 
2012-07-13 10:17:40 AM
Shut down the program? That's a bit much, as the current players and staff had nothing to do with what happened ten years ago.

However, that statue of Paterno needs to be sold for scrap and melted down...and don't even think of naming the stadium after him.
 
2012-07-13 10:17:50 AM

wyltoknow: HotWingConspiracy: So basically, the NCAA will signal that if you're gonna fark up, fark up BIG. Like, decades long child rape cover up big. You'll be fine.

No no, just make sure the coverup is good enough that you have the school/area dependent on your success. Then they can't shut you down, you're too important from all the coverups you did! Ta-da!


yup, 'too big to fail' works for college football, just as it did for wall street.
 
2012-07-13 10:17:55 AM
In the end I hope the university's focus goes back to academics. The program needs to be take out of action for a few seasons. I would like to see the students tear the statue down even if they a vilified for it.
 
2012-07-13 10:18:05 AM
If only we could give the Catholic Church the death penalty.
 
2012-07-13 10:18:10 AM
www.thecampussocialite.com
 
2012-07-13 10:18:28 AM

MugzyBrown: Yeah let's punish the whole university for the actions of a few men.


The whole university? Closing a sports program for actively covering up repeated cases of child rape is hardly going to be considered a unjust by the vast majority of students who are there for academic programs. You know, people who actually went to university to learn.
 
2012-07-13 10:19:02 AM

kwame: alywa: So what?

alywa: Let it burn.

I look forward to your resignation once you discover when it is revealed you covered for someone at your job committed routinely committing a felony.

 
2012-07-13 10:19:04 AM

Ed_Severson: I don't understand the death penalty as an option here. The NCAA exists to patrol competition and academic issues. As heinous as this whole situation is, it's related to neither competition nor academics. It's basically outside the NCAA's jurisdiction.


There are NCAA bylaws concerning ethical behavior. Jim Tressel was hammered with it.
 
2012-07-13 10:19:08 AM
Maybe because the other ones aren't fostering a culture of accepted child rape?

You don't think the culture at Ohio State, or Nebraska, or any other small college town with a huge football program could lead to similar behavior?

This has nothing to do with PSU or football, it's about any large institution and people. People always protect themselves first. Institutions always protect themselves.

If the Director of the FBI and some of his deputies did this, would we shut down the FBI?

Removing the football progam does not send a message other than so stupid vengence against innocent people.

Maybe we should throw the victims in jail for not coming forward in time
 
2012-07-13 10:19:29 AM

kwame: I look forward to your resignation once you discover someone at your job committed a felony.


I'm trying to follow your line of reasoning here.

Let's say a coworker committed murder or rape... if it was isolated that wouldn't involve me, nor would my company have to shut down. Let's say he raped a woman at work, and I actively helped him cover up, or buried the investigation. That is a different beast. Let's say he owns the company, or was the CEO, and we institutionally tried to cover up the crime. That's even a bigger problem. In fact, it's conspiracy at that point.

When you're in charge, you are responsible to many people. Families. Corporations. Communities. Responsibility is required of those to whom great power and reward are given. The brass at Penn State failed to live up to their responsibilities.
 
2012-07-13 10:19:37 AM
The incident was not reported *because* it involved football. You can bet a million dollars the cover-up would never have happened if it concerned the economics department.

Therefore, close the football program.
 
2012-07-13 10:19:54 AM
Then we can expect to see another scandal of this magnitude in a decade or so. We need to get over this culture of worshiping sports franchises. It's just a farking game people and it's not worth covering up for murder, assault, rape, molestation, etc.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:06 AM

THX 1138: MugzyBrown: Yeah let's punish the whole university for the actions of a few men.

The whole university? Closing a sports program for actively covering up repeated cases of child rape is hardly going to be considered a unjust by the vast majority of students who are there for academic programs. You know, people who actually went to university to learn.


Thank you. It's insane how people define their collegiate experiences in terms of the farking football team's wins/losses
 
2012-07-13 10:20:08 AM
Call me crazy, but I want to see the actual people who allowed this to happen to be punished. After seeing Wall St. corporations collapse but nobody go to jail, my sense of outrage and justice has been refocused on individuals, not big faceless entities.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:11 AM

Weaver95: their academic programs didn't cover up decades of kiddie rape.


The university president and university police did, even before anyone else in the football program knew about it. The janitors never reported it, either. I see no one actually read the report.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:13 AM

Bunny Deville: Why are we talking about giving the death penalty to the football program and not to the assholes who let this happen?

Just sayin'.


It's about sending a message. It needs to be done. Covering up something as heinous as child rape just to keep the gravy train running is obviously inexcusable. So punishing those responsible is absolutely not enough. Penn State should never be allowed to have a football program again. And if it does, the AD, and others in charge need to be women. A woman would not have tolerated any coverup just so Paterno and crew can chase some stupid win record and continue milking the cash cow.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:22 AM
This isn't "punishing the whole University", the football program was the channel by which Sandusky lured victims an draped them. And the coach of that program allowed it to happen and covered it up. And the University president, vice-president and others allowed that to happen. The football program needs to be shut down for a while because it is dysfunctional and it allowed immoral and unethical behavior,. The rest of the University isn't "punished". Students will still get their education there. The focus on football is hurting the University as a whole. As for the players and new coach O'Brien, they will be able to play football somewhere else.

There can't be football at Penn State. How can you fill that stadium with students after what has happened? Supporting Penn State football is supporting the cover-up, and aiding and abetting a predator pedophile. AFTER 1998, when Sandusky "resigned" he came back with a new position of outreach for kids, he was put in close contact with kids at Second Mile. After he'd already been investigated for inappropriate behavior.

The University and the football program HELPED him abuse kids. And the MAIN reason why the program needs to be killed is precisely because of the culture problem at Happy Valley. Nobody did anything humane for those victims. JoPa is still a God there, football is more important than right and wrong. The culture there is still loyal to a liar and an enabler and a villain, and the priorities are screwed up. Until the football is taken away this learning institution will NOT learn the most important lesson from this tragedy. It is my opinion.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:27 AM

MugzyBrown: .

Then why not shut down every major football and basketball program? That's what the NCAA should do.


Seems reasonable to me. Shut it all down.

Perhaps then institutes of higher learning could concentrate on learning.

Weird idea I know.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:35 AM

spentmiles: I don't think they should shut the program down, however they should have to play every game for the next fifteen years one man short on both offense and defense.


Have you been watching them the last few years? They play like that anyway.

/so ready for this talk to be over
//every time you think it's done, something else happens
 
2012-07-13 10:20:46 AM

Ed_Severson: I don't understand the death penalty as an option here. The NCAA exists to patrol competition and academic issues. As heinous as this whole situation is, it's related to neither competition nor academics. It's basically outside the NCAA's jurisdiction.


Never hear of the phrase "lack of institutional control"?
 
2012-07-13 10:20:47 AM
Heavily sanctioned. Barely any scholarships left for 5 years. Allow any exsisting PSU players to transfer to another school with no one year wait period (literally letting them play this year).

The PSU fanbase will stick around for a while, understanding the regime that ran things were a bunch of pedophile coverup lackeys. They will allow those who financially survive on Penn State to limp along for a while.

At the end of the day the NCAA may not have the RIGHT to give them the death penalty for this.

/barely even CARE about college football
//go Gophers!
 
2012-07-13 10:21:10 AM

IAmRight: It's weird how the report shows that, upon the initial incident, all of the original charges were ignored by police and institutional leaders whom are now fired and facing jail time, not anyone associated with the football program.


You mean, except for Paterno....the head of the football program.

IAmRight: And for you idiots who claim Paterno controlled the entire university, what do you think Paterno would've done if the university president went to the board of trustees and said anything about Sandusky's pedophilia? At the point that anyone outside of the power structure knows, there's no tenable position Paterno can take and there's no realistic threat he can make to anyone that would keep him and his program from being discredited as much as they have been since the news broke.


And your explanation for the part where they say "I talked with Joe, and I don't feel comfortable with going to the police"? That statement is a figment of our imaginations?
 
2012-07-13 10:21:19 AM

MugzyBrown: Yeah let's punish the whole university for the actions of a few men.

Want to send a message? Then Curley and Spanier and Co should go to jail for a good 10 years. That will send a message.

Shutting down the football program punishes players who had nothing to do with it, coaches who had nothing to do with it, all of the other sports programs that had nothing to do with it, the student body who had nothing to do with it and all of the businesses in the town.

Maybe they should execute all of the kids in the 2nd Mile program too, just to really send a message.


This is NOT punishing those players. They will be allowed to transfer without penalty just like the SMU players. And the idea that the death penalty would be "punishment" to the students and university is a JOKE. If the university can't stand on it's own without football, then that goes to show how big the problem really was.
 
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