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(Detroit Free Press)   Penn State unlikely to receive "Death Penalty". I mean, it's not like players got free tattoos or a donor gave someone a car or anything... that would be far more serious   (freep.com) divider line 797
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2012-07-13 05:32:36 PM  
To me, this is how this situation breaks down, by putting everyone involved in a scandal in tiers.

Tier 1: These are the people directly involved in the crime that was committed. They were there as the crime has taken place and directly caused the harm. They are the worst of the worst; the ones who plotted and perpetrated the crime.

Tier 2: These are people who were not directly involved in planning or perpetrating, but directly knew the crime took place. These are people who either through witnessing or conversation with a Tier 1 person knew that a crime had been committed and either did or did not take action.

Tier 3: These are people who may have heard rumors about the crime that took place, but cannot confirm anything due to lack of concrete evidence. These are the "grapeviners" who through word of mouth may have heard of a crime being committed. They are without any first hand knowledge

Tier 4: These are outsiders. These are people that go to the same school or work for the same company that have no knowledge whatsoever of a crime being committed (unless reported by the news media).

In the Sandusky case, he is clearly a standalone Tier 1. He planned and perpetrated these crimes and should receive the swiftest punishment. The University President, Paterno, campus PD, and AD were Tier 2 people who took no action. They should be punished as well for conspiracy to cover up this crime (ie loss of jobs, jail time, fines, etc). Paterno should be removed from the record books and Hall and have his statue and name removed from the school. The AD and President should be removed from school record and blacklisted from being hired at any university. The coach who witnessed it and his father were Tier 2 as well, but they did at least try to do something about it. However, these two gentlemen still didn't call the police and should be reprimanded or punished in some, less severe, way. Other coaches and some students would be Tier 3; they may have heard rumors but that's it. Tier 4 is by large the biggest group here, and I would say that it represents 98.5% of the students, faculty, and staff of the PSU.

So it makes me wonder why because their were so few people in Tier 1 & 2 that all of Tiers 3&4 must be punished. By administering the death penalty, the student body/athletes as a whole will suffer due to something they weren't even aware of taking place. Football brings a lot of revenue to a school and supports other athletic programs. If it goes away, the sports that don't make money will suffer (i.e. track, volleyball, swimming, etc) as well as scholarships for non-athletes. You are now not just punishing the football team, but everyone. Students will go elsewhere, faculty will have to leave, and the town of University Park will suffer.

What Sandusky did was atrocious, and the people who let him get away with it should be severely punished and there is no excuse for what any party involved did. But why are we so quick to want to punish those who were not involved and are just as shocked, disgusted, and outraged as you or I?
 
2012-07-13 05:43:27 PM  

sethstorm: Sandusky got convicted. Paterno admitted to a wrongdoing. You just want to smear them.


It was a lot more than two people involved. And hey perhaps some of them should of the consequences of their actions some years ago. Had they done the right thing, there'd be no problem now. As is often the case, the coverup is what topples things, not the original offense.
 
2012-07-13 05:43:43 PM  

EKU Colonel: What Sandusky did was atrocious, and the people who let him get away with it should be severely punished and there is no excuse for what any party involved did. But why are we so quick to want to punish those who were not involved and are just as shocked, disgusted, and outraged as you or I?

BECAUSE KIDS GOT RAPED!

...and the sad part is, people who say this think it is, in fact, the only justification needed.
 
2012-07-13 05:44:28 PM  

EKU Colonel: What Sandusky did was atrocious, and the people who let him get away with it should be severely punished and there is no excuse for what any party involved did. But why are we so quick to want to punish those who were not involved and are just as shocked, disgusted, and outraged as you or I?


Because it was the institution of football that allowed the abuse to happen, not just a few people.

The reflex desire to protect that institution and the money involved was the primary motivation for the cover up.

You take away the institution (or at least cripple it severely) and the motivation for a cover up is lessened or removed.

People not involved with the crime in any imaginable way will be negatively impacted, but too damned bad. The crimes committed and the lengths to which those in power went to cover up said crimes demand the strongest reaction possible.

Frankly, the Death Penalty isn't the worst that could happen. As has been noted before, the Clery act could be invoked and the school lose Title VI funding.
 
2012-07-13 05:46:13 PM  

jekostas: IlGreven: Giving the death penalty to PSU football program would be like penalizing the mob's front organizations for murders that a mob hitman committed without mob sanction.

So you're saying that the PSU football program is a criminal organization that should be permanently and completely eradicated?


I'm saying that the NCAA can only truly act on stuff within its purview. Covering up an academic integrity violation is well within it. Covering up child rape, while definitely worse, is not at all within it. PSU's punishment should probably be left up to the state and federal government, not the NCAA.
 
2012-07-13 05:47:27 PM  

sethstorm: In both cases, there is an irrational desire for a late hit. Whatever Penn State does, it won't undo the rape or its effects - the rabid populace empowered by the media will never be satisfied and should be denied a death penalty.


As I said before, they don't care about the kids anymore than Sandusky did. They want another witch to burn.
 
2012-07-13 05:49:32 PM  

IlGreven: jekostas: IlGreven: Giving the death penalty to PSU football program would be like penalizing the mob's front organizations for murders that a mob hitman committed without mob sanction.

So you're saying that the PSU football program is a criminal organization that should be permanently and completely eradicated?

I'm saying that the NCAA can only truly act on stuff within its purview. Covering up an academic integrity violation is well within it. Covering up child rape, while definitely worse, is not at all within it. PSU's punishment should probably be left up to the state and federal government, not the NCAA.


We have a case where the coach of the football team was dictating terms to the director of the athletics department, with proof in writing. Not only that, he was specifically exempting football players from punitive and disciplinary measures that affected the rest of the student athletic population and student body in general.

Lack of Institutional Control is under the purview of the NCAA.
 
2012-07-13 05:49:58 PM  

jekostas: EKU Colonel: What Sandusky did was atrocious, and the people who let him get away with it should be severely punished and there is no excuse for what any party involved did. But why are we so quick to want to punish those who were not involved and are just as shocked, disgusted, and outraged as you or I?

Because it was the institution of football that allowed the abuse to happen, not just a few people.

The reflex desire to protect that institution and the money involved was the primary motivation for the cover up.

You take away the institution (or at least cripple it severely) and the motivation for a cover up is lessened or removed.


No, it's not. Pedos will still find ways to get their fix. Shutting down the football program does no more to stop it than it did when the perps were in their positions to begin with. You just want your witch to burn.
 
2012-07-13 05:53:36 PM  

IlGreven: Covering up child rape, while definitely worse, is not at all within it.


It's an ethical violation that reflects badly upon the people involved, the athletics program and the school, and the NCAA can punish people for such things.

IlGreven: They want another witch to burn


When Tulane was caught doing something quite reprehensible, but not quite as reprehensible, the school president shut down the entire basketball program and didn't plan on ever bringing it back. Part of what happened was players being given cocaine. The NCAA would've dropped the ban hammer on Tulane, except Tulane took care of things first. Penn State hasn't exactly taken care of much. Hell someone who thinks the school, team etc are completely outside of what happened just got elected to their board of governors.
 
2012-07-13 05:54:32 PM  

jekostas: Not only that, he was specifically exempting football players from punitive and disciplinary measures that affected the rest of the student athletic population and student body in general.


Which is itself a violation of NCAA rules.
 
2012-07-13 05:55:45 PM  

jekostas: IlGreven: jekostas: IlGreven: Giving the death penalty to PSU football program would be like penalizing the mob's front organizations for murders that a mob hitman committed without mob sanction.

So you're saying that the PSU football program is a criminal organization that should be permanently and completely eradicated?

I'm saying that the NCAA can only truly act on stuff within its purview. Covering up an academic integrity violation is well within it. Covering up child rape, while definitely worse, is not at all within it. PSU's punishment should probably be left up to the state and federal government, not the NCAA.

We have a case where the coach of the football team was dictating terms to the director of the athletics department, with proof in writing. Not only that, he was specifically exempting football players from punitive and disciplinary measures that affected the rest of the student athletic population and student body in general.

Lack of Institutional Control is under the purview of the NCAA.


Lack of Institutional Control is a supplemental and punitive finding, and can only be added to another violation of the NCAA guidelines on academic integrity. As bad as covering up child rape is, it's not a violation of the NCAA's academic integrity guidelines, so there's nothing to attach a Lack of Institutional Control violation to.
 
2012-07-13 05:56:28 PM  

IlGreven: My argument on the Death Penalty is and will remain: Why stop there?

Sure, Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky were part of the football program, so the football program gets the death penalty, according to the proponents.

By that logic, because Tim Curley, the athletic director (for all athletics, not just football) was involved, we should also shut down all other sports at Penn State.


Ultimately, this was all about football, even for the higher-ups who should have known better. Therefore, it makes sense to take away football: the punishment should be painful, but also as localized as is practical. In this case, it can be limited to within the scope of the crime's motive: the football program.

...but seriously, shutting down the football program is no deterrence.

Yes, it is. The idea is to show that doing this to gain (or protect) something will only cause you to lose it.
 
2012-07-13 05:59:54 PM  

IlGreven: No, it's not. Pedos will still find ways to get their fix. Shutting down the football program does no more to stop it than it did when the perps were in their positions to begin with. You just want your witch to burn.


yes, pedos will be pedos. and if penn state had turned in sandusky when it was first discovered that he was raping children on campus in the football facilities then there wouldn't be a problem. that would be one evil man doing evil things. and he could rot in jail. however, when instead penn state decides to repeatedly conceal and enable an additional decade or more of kiddy rape just to protect the prestige of the football program we have a problem. people aren't asking for the death penalty because sandusky raped kids. they are asking for the death penalty because the penn state football program conceal and enabled him for at least 14 years during which there were numerous new victims.
 
2012-07-13 06:04:03 PM  

IlGreven: Lack of Institutional Control is a supplemental and punitive finding


Well given there is written evidence of rules violations, it fits in well.
 
2012-07-13 06:04:23 PM  

IlGreven: No, it's not. Pedos will still find ways to get their fix.


Not at Penn State, they won't, and if they do, they won't be sheltered for it.

Shutting down the football program does no more to stop it than it did when the perps were in their positions to begin with.

It doesn't stop the first victim, that's true. Nothing short of precrime profiling and arrest could, and that has other problems which clearly make it unacceptable. What it does is drop the number of victims and deny perpetrators the possibility of sanctuary.
 
2012-07-13 06:05:45 PM  

IlGreven: sethstorm: In both cases, there is an irrational desire for a late hit. Whatever Penn State does, it won't undo the rape or its effects - the rabid populace empowered by the media will never be satisfied and should be denied a death penalty.

As I said before, they don't care about the kids anymore than Sandusky did. They want another witch to burn.


The only people proven not to care about the kids are the jackasses at PSU who covered it up and prevented proper inquiry. I get that feelings like anger and outrage may not register with you, maybe you've spent too much time at /b/ or something, who knows. Don't let that disconnect cloud your judgment. PSU, especially the football program, deserves and requires strict punishment.
 
2012-07-13 06:09:30 PM  

A Fark Handle: people aren't asking for the death penalty because sandusky raped kids. they are asking for the death penalty because the penn state football program conceal and enabled him for at least 14 years during which there were numerous new victims.


This. A pedo with a sanctuary to render him untouchable is exponentially more dangerous than a pedo without one. That's what PSU football gave that to Sandusky; the people could perhaps have done some damage by themselves, but PSU football as an institution is what made it all possible. Tear it down, not necessarily permanently, but long enough that when it is finally allowed to reborn, nothing will remain of the old.
 
2012-07-13 06:12:53 PM  

A Fark Handle: people aren't asking for the death penalty because sandusky raped kids. they are asking for the death penalty because the penn state football program conceal and enabled him for at least 14 years during which there were numerous new victims.


Also it came out in the Freeh report there were NCAA rules violations going on, so it's not like what went on with Sandusky was the only problem.
 
2012-07-13 06:16:29 PM  

WhoIsWillo: sethstorm: Paterno admitted to a wrongdoing.

When?


When he left Penn State, he said something about making an error in judgment.

IlGreven: As I said before, they don't care about the kids anymore than Sandusky did. They want another witch to burn.


THIS.


Owangotang: The only people proven not to care about the kids are the jackasses at PSU who covered it up and prevented proper inquiry. I get that feelings like anger and outrage may not register with you, maybe you've spent too much time at /b/ or something, who knows. Don't let that disconnect cloud your judgment. PSU, especially the football program, deserves and requires strict punishment.


The proper inquiry has been performed. You (and others) just want something you will never get, and won't care if the university ends up being torn down for it.

What happened on the field should not be impacted by what happened off the field. Crossing that line will not undo the damage, it will only create more damage.
 
2012-07-13 06:17:25 PM  

EKU Colonel: What Sandusky did was atrocious, and the people who let him get away with it should be severely punished and there is no excuse for what any party involved did. But why are we so quick to want to punish those who were not involved and are just as shocked, disgusted, and outraged as you or I?


Because the only way not to "punish" those around a perpetrator is to never punish anyone: people's lives are too interconnected to allow otherwise. Some degree of collateral damage is acceptable when the gravest of crimes are involved, and this most certainly qualifies as being among the gravest of crimes. We should not be slow to punish those involved simply because those around them will be inconvenienced.
 
2012-07-13 06:19:43 PM  

sethstorm: What happened on the field should not be impacted by what happened off the field. Crossing that line will not undo the damage, it will only create more damage.


What happened off the field would not have been possible were it not for what happened on the field. Sandusky's sanctuary could not have been built without the idolization of Joe Paterno and the overvaluation of PSU football to back it up. The damage is, therefore, wholly deserved; no line is being crossed.
 
2012-07-13 06:22:02 PM  

Millennium: This. A pedo with a sanctuary to render him untouchable is exponentially more dangerous than a pedo without one. That's what PSU football gave that to Sandusky; the people could perhaps have done some damage by themselves, but PSU football as an institution is what made it all possible. Tear it down, not necessarily permanently, but long enough that when it is finally allowed to reborn, nothing will remain of the old.


Not going to happen with Paterno's coaching record on the field. Trying to pull another Ohio State late hit will not satisfy the rabid folks, like you, who aren't satisfied by justice.

If there was a just and sane world, the trustees would find themselves kicked to the curb, and Urban Meyer would not be improperly denied a championship game.
In an even saner world, Tressel would have suffered no sanction since no scandal would be raised.
 
2012-07-13 06:22:24 PM  

sethstorm: The proper inquiry has been performed. You (and others) just want something you will never get, and won't care if the university ends up being torn down for it.

What happened on the field should not be impacted by what happened off the field. Crossing that line will not undo the damage, it will only create more damage.


It is not about undoing damage, FFS if you really think some measure of punishment can unrape kids then you are a goddamned wizard or something. It's about removing the power from a program BECAUSE THE POWER IS WHAT DEMANDED THEY PROTECT THE PROGRAM OVER LITTLE BOYS.

Jesus f*cking Christ it's like talking to a brick wall with these deflectors.
 
2012-07-13 06:23:40 PM  

sethstorm: What happened on the field should not be impacted by what happened off the field. Crossing that line will not undo the damage, it will only create more damage.


BTW the Freeh report unveiled some nice NCAA rules infractions beyond anything to do with Sandusky. The program was hardly clean by any measure. And those violations and the fact they were known and nothing was done about them are enough to bring about some serious NCAA sanctions.
 
2012-07-13 06:23:59 PM  

sethstorm: If there was a just and sane world, the trustees would find themselves kicked to the curb, and Urban Meyer would not be improperly denied a championship game.
In an even saner world, Tressel would have suffered no sanction since no scandal would be raised.


I really, really wish I didn't believe that you somehow still, STILL find comparison between PSU and OSU's sanctions.

I wish I didn't, but...
 
2012-07-13 06:24:39 PM  
If any of you want to destroy a football team's program, I believe the SEC has more than a few candidates for that task.

Take your rage there.
 
2012-07-13 06:26:37 PM  

sethstorm: If any of you want to destroy a football team's program, I believe the SEC has more than a few candidates for that task.

Take your rage there.


It must be really, terribly sad to be so beholden to a school or conference or whatever that you continue to equivocate. What the f*ck ever, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL fan. Enjoy your creepy, sh*tty sport and what it's become.
 
2012-07-13 06:28:29 PM  

Owangotang: It is not about undoing damage, FFS if you really think some measure of punishment can unrape kids then you are a goddamned wizard or something. It's about removing the power from a program BECAUSE THE POWER IS WHAT DEMANDED THEY PROTECT THE PROGRAM OVER LITTLE BOYS.

Jesus f*cking Christ it's like talking to a brick wall with these deflectors.


Helps that I saw Ohio State get the same treatment for a tattoo. Nobody bothered to put the penalty on the bad coach, so they saved a late hit for the good one - Urban Meyer.

Thankfully some sanity prevailed and the snitch got disbarred for a while. I'm not saying that some measure of punishment will undo the rape - I'm just saying that you're motivated by something that will never be truly satisfied.
 
2012-07-13 06:28:35 PM  

sethstorm: If any of you want to destroy a football team's program, I believe the SEC has more than a few candidates for that task.


Actually Penn Sate has pretty well destroyed their own program already. No one with any sort of credentials wants to work there. I can't imagine many recruits want to play there any more just because of what went on, the lack of being able to get top flight people will keep them away. Also there's the various NCAA rules infractions, like having a different set of rules for discipline for the football team, that are still to be dealt with. The very things done to try to protect the program, have sent it to the basement and who knows for how long.
 
2012-07-13 06:31:16 PM  

sethstorm: Owangotang: It is not about undoing damage, FFS if you really think some measure of punishment can unrape kids then you are a goddamned wizard or something. It's about removing the power from a program BECAUSE THE POWER IS WHAT DEMANDED THEY PROTECT THE PROGRAM OVER LITTLE BOYS.

Jesus f*cking Christ it's like talking to a brick wall with these deflectors.

Helps that I saw Ohio State get the same treatment for a tattoo. Nobody bothered to put the penalty on the bad coach, so they saved a late hit for the good one - Urban Meyer.

Thankfully some sanity prevailed and the snitch got disbarred for a while. I'm not saying that some measure of punishment will undo the rape - I'm just saying that you're motivated by something that will never be truly satisfied.


You Buckeye fans are a special breed of batsh*t crazy, ain't ya?
 
2012-07-13 06:32:16 PM  

Owangotang: It must be really, terribly sad to be so beholden to a school or conference or whatever that you continue to equivocate. What the f*ck ever, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL fan. Enjoy your creepy, sh*tty sport and what it's become.


In college football, skill is still a significant motivator for a team. With the NFL, it isn't so much a case of skill but money.

/Why yes, I am a Buckeyes fan.
 
2012-07-13 06:32:53 PM  

sethstorm: Not going to happen with Paterno's coaching record on the field. Trying to pull another Ohio State late hit will not satisfy the rabid folks, like you, who aren't satisfied by justice.

If there was a just and sane world, the trustees would find themselves kicked to the curb, and Urban Meyer would not be improperly denied a championship game.
In an even saner world, Tressel would have suffered no sanction since no scandal would be raised.


who the fark cares about some free tattoos? i sure as shiat don't. i don't think the ncaa should care about that. further, there wasn't a "late hit" on ohio state. ohio state was farking stupid. it could have self-imposed a postseason ban last year and missed out on going to the shiat-tastic gator bowl. that would have allowed meyer to have bowl season practices in his first year assuming they could win six games. and tressel farking straight up lied to the ncaa with a paper trail to prove he was lying. i hate the ncaa and don't have a problem with the players cashing in on there fame, but lying to the folks with the power to biatch slap you is farking plain stupid. and how has meyer been improperly denied a championship game? i didn't realize that the buckeyes had already played the season and were champs of the whatever legends/leaders division they are in. ugh.

and yes penn state deserves to die (ncaa death penalty that is). and i hope they burn in hell.
 
2012-07-13 06:34:52 PM  

sethstorm: the good one - Urban Meyer.


Meyer is hardly a good one, there's been talk about him going back to his days at Bowling Green.
 
2012-07-13 06:36:16 PM  

sethstorm: Owangotang: It must be really, terribly sad to be so beholden to a school or conference or whatever that you continue to equivocate. What the f*ck ever, BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL fan. Enjoy your creepy, sh*tty sport and what it's become.

In college football, skill is still a significant motivator for a team. With the NFL, it isn't so much a case of skill but money.

/Why yes, I am a Buckeyes fan.


Not even close, it's called NFL is better football. Better players, better coaches, better plays made. The worst team in the NFL would beat OSU repeatedly, 100 out of 100 times.
 
2012-07-13 06:39:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: sethstorm: the good one - Urban Meyer.

Meyer is hardly a good one, there's been talk about him going back to his days at Bowling Green.


he means good at winning since that's all that matters in college football. not any other definition you might have about what it means to be "good."
 
2012-07-13 07:20:12 PM  

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doubled99: I hope all the outrage and calls for the "death penalty" here is cathartic for the horde Fark geeks who were bullied by those mean football players back in school.

Nobody gives a shiat about your SILLY LITTLE GAME or the people who play it. Because it is JUST A GAME.

There are far more important issues here, like that an organization (who gives a fark what kind of organization) was so concerned with the bottom line and their image that they ALLOWED AND FACILITATED THE RAPE OF LITTLE CHILDREN.

It is literally the worst crime imaginable, and they knew about it, let it keep happening, and covered it up.

I don't care if it was football, pro hockey, or ultimate frisbee.

GET YOUR farkING PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.



It's not your fault.

It's NOT your fault.

It's not your fault



/they can't hurt you anymore


Is this mockery? Because bad form, dude. Even for Fark.
 
2012-07-13 07:25:26 PM  

IlGreven: sethstorm: In both cases, there is an irrational desire for a late hit. Whatever Penn State does, it won't undo the rape or its effects - the rabid populace empowered by the media will never be satisfied and should be denied a death penalty.

As I said before, they don't care about the kids anymore than Sandusky did. They want another witch to burn.


Prove this.

Seriously, prove it. Prove how people being very, very angry about something means they DON'T care.

Is there some sort of imaginary rule in your head that says if enough people believe something, it MUST be wrong?

Explain your logic, or stop repeating this nonsensical PSU talking point.
 
2012-07-13 07:36:34 PM  
The program should be shut down for the cover-up. The thing is, there are individual crimes and organizational crimes. Sandusky's crime was originally an individual one - he wormed his way into the program to abuse kids, and it's safe to say the college neither asked nor desired that he do that. At that point, it was purely an individual issue that should have been punished in an individual way. However, people used their organizational powers to protect him, for the benefit of the organization; I really don't think the conspirators really were thinking of themselves when they did this, they were thinking of the football program. Personal charges against them are still justified, but those will not change the way the organization behaves. Ultimately, even the leader of a college or football program is hired by and accountable to someone (usually some sort of board), and those people don't care if the leaders end up in prison if the program itself is safe.

Basically, unless the program itself is put under sanctions (and given the severity of the offense, they need to be really harsh ones) these programs will still put pressure on their leaders to cover up crimes instead of dealing with them, and they'll choose leaders who will throw themselves under the bus to do so. To really change the behavior here, you have to punish the organization itself.
 
2012-07-13 08:03:08 PM  

sethstorm: Not going to happen with Paterno's coaching record on the field.


In a just and sane world, his coaching record will mean nothing. No amount of good can balance out giving shelter to a predator. It's worthless now. He's worthless now; he squandered every scrap of value his life ever had over those fourteen years, through the harm he did.

Is this a just and sane world? No, at least not much of the time. But justice and sanity do prevail once in a great while, and I hope they do so here.

Trying to pull another Ohio State late hit will not satisfy the rabid folks, like you, who aren't satisfied by justice.

Not satisfied by your twisted and worthless definition of justice, you mean.

If there was a just and sane world, the trustees would find themselves kicked to the curb, and Urban Meyer would not be improperly denied a championship game.

What does Urban Meyer have to do with this?

In an even saner world, Tressel would have suffered no sanction since no scandal would be raised.

Um... whoa. OK, nice one; you got me but good; I didn't catch on till this last bit. I award you the full 10/10 points, and may God have mercy on your soul. We're done here. May as well leave the rest of my bite up.
 
2012-07-13 08:14:58 PM  

Millennium: Um... whoa. OK, nice one; you got me but good; I didn't catch on till this last bit. I award you the full 10/10 points, and may God have mercy on your soul. We're done here. May as well leave the rest of my bite up.


Don't beat yourself up over it too bad.

mister aj totally had me going yesterday until he stated that Jerry Sandusky was just "making love to some kids" and that maybe they didn't even really mind so much. Epic trolling on his part, and I fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Either that, or he's actually a legitimate pedophile boylover.
 
2012-07-13 08:15:53 PM  

doktorsteve: I'm not saying it's ok to cover this up. The people involved in that cover get investigated & if found guilty go to jail.
Getting rid of the football program doesn't (for sure) stop anyone at any university from covering things up again. No penalty guarantees that & you know it.


Which way makes the systmematic oovering up of horrific crimes by Penn State less likely in the future?
 
2012-07-13 08:22:59 PM  
can someone please get I AM RIGHT's comments from when this was breaking for a compare and contrast session? Thatd be hilarious.
 
2012-07-13 09:04:37 PM  
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2012-07-13 10:56:58 PM  

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 640x890]


Okay, dude. You win the thread.
 
2012-07-13 11:43:53 PM  
What needs to be done is to have the program shut down for 2 years. Let the kids go elsewhere. Get a new school administration, new athletic department head, and new football coaches. Start from SCRATCH in 2014. With the normal number of scholarships available and hold tryouts at the school amongst its students for the rest of the positions. It may hurt, but in a few years, with new people, new attitude, things should be much better.
 
2012-07-15 02:03:21 AM  
When all you stupid pro-death-penalty farkers keep saying "Well, when the execs at Enron did bad things, the entire company did suffer the consequences, so by analogy, who cares if the innocent at PSU/in State College suffer", you're skipping a step in your reasoning.

Which is: Yes, often, innocent people do suffer the consequences of someone else's crime, but that doesn't mean they should. If magically, only the bad guys at Enron could have been punished, but the rest of the company could have been saved, its reputation restored, etc. so that the average worker at the bottom of the food chain could have survived "unpunished", wouldn't we have supported such a magical outcome, with only the truly guilty suffering?

So now you (in the form of a Fark discussion) have the imaginary opportunity to do it. You can punish only the guilty at PSU, or you can condemn the whole place.

"Well," you say, "because life has happened to be unfair in the past, clearly we should seize the opportunity to make it unfair again."

Idiots.

/not a PSU fan, in fact, a Pitt fan who hates PSU football
//also a PA taxpayer
///no damn death penalty
 
2012-07-15 03:59:59 AM  

sk4p: So now you (in the form of a Fark discussion) have the imaginary opportunity to do it. You can punish only the guilty at PSU, or you can condemn the whole place.


wrong. condemning the football program is the only right thing to do. they covered up at least 14 years and multiple new victims of kiddy-rape to protect the football program of penn state. folks aren't asking for the death penalty because sandusky raped a kid, they are asking because penn state covered it up for 14 or more years. that's farked up. penn state is not a football program, it's a college, it's a research university. if the folks feel the need to protect a football program so much that they will destroy lives, there should be a readjustment of priorities. and that's what the death penalty will do. if players accepting cash is worthy of the death penalty, if playing ineligible players is worthy of the death penalty, then for fark's sake 14 year plus systematic institutional cover up of kiddy rape is. clearly the members of the penn state program had lost sight of the goals of an intercollegiate sports program when they did what they did. thus, penn state can live without an intercollegiate sports program for a little while. if penn state had any decency (and it's pretty clear they don't) they would self-impose at least one season of no football. a bullshiat weakass double prayer circle the week after is not all that should happen. real men do the right thing. penn state clearly doesn't understand that.
 
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