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(Detroit Free Press)   Penn State unlikely to receive "Death Penalty". I mean, it's not like players got free tattoos or a donor gave someone a car or anything... that would be far more serious   (freep.com ) divider line
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2012-07-13 01:41:10 PM  
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-san dusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=2

Just burn it to the ground. Really.
 
2012-07-13 01:41:28 PM  
Northwestern grad here, and I never wanted Penn State in the conference in the first place, but my reaction has nothing to do with it being PSU on the hot seat. Like others, I wanted to give JoePa the benefit of the doubt, but the report is just too damning.

Between the school and the NCAA, I'd like to see the following:

Death Penalty, because this isn't about players, it's about coaches, administrators and culture. Two years with no football program, starting with the 2012 season. No television for five years, no bowl games for a decade, Paterno's records vacated. All coaches discharged, not to return for at least 12 years. Players offered unconditional releases if they wish to transfer, or free rides consistent with their eligibility, if they prefer to finish their degrees at Penn State.

As for the library and the statue, I'll let the Penn State community hash those out.

Then, I suggest that the people of Pennsylvania think about how their universities are governed. PSU has a ginormous board of trustees compared to similar schools, with 32 trustees. The entire University of California system is run by a board of 26 and Ohio's state schools make do with 11. (I'm including ex-officio members, of course.) Michigan's board of regents is elected by the people; it doesn't seem to have hurt the school.

In any event, the brand is farked for the next few years, across the board. Sucks to be one of their fans right now, but time heals all wounds. I had to wait almost 30 years for my program to live down the reputation of being a patsy. You'll get over it.
 
2012-07-13 01:43:27 PM  

precious_crotchflake: A Fark Handle: kwame: alywa: I actively helped him cover up

Oh see there's your problem. I'm going to assume you knew nothing about it. We'll even assume your boss and a couple of coworkers knew about it. We're still going to fire you and your coworkers and shut down your place of business.

turns out that if you work for a company that is involved in a decade plus criminal conspiracy you may lose your job. that's how it works. sure the secretary didn't know she was working for a mob front company, but when the fbi busts up the office she's going to lose her job.

That is not how it works. When managers are caught embezzling, cooking the books, whatever, they are taken out and replaced with ones that hopefully aren't crooks. If the whole company is a front for the mob, it is taken down.
The football program itself is not a criminal enterprise.


Really? Tell that to the secretaries here.

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
rka
2012-07-13 01:43:58 PM  

redmid17: Millennium: IAmRight: Millennium: The plan was to defend the reputation and continuity of the football program university

FTFY

So you want the university to be destroyed, right? You can't on the one hand say it's all about the football program and then say that "because it extended beyond the football program is the reason the football program must be the ones heavily punished."

The university will not be destroyed by a couple of years without football. Nowhere near. Only an institution of higher learning that had truly gone rotten to the core would be destroyed by a few years without football. I would like to think that Penn State is not that far gone, and if it is, then perhaps it's time for it to die.

The President is the one who gave Sandusky emeritus status, giving him access to PSU for all those years. Paterno doesn't have the authority to do that, no matter how much people want him to have had that authority.

Nice one. Look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that Paterno had no role in that decision.

Emeritus status is pretty much a given for anyone who's been affiliated with the university for X number of years in a significant fashion. I don't really think Paterno or the president had much to do with that particular aspect.


Please.

"Oh gosh, We pretty much have to hand out this emeritus status to this kiddie diddler here. Our hands are tied! Think of the precedent!!!".

That's stupid. Even for Fark.
 
2012-07-13 01:44:54 PM  

room at the top: I can't imagine being a PSU coach now and making the 'I'll take care of your kid' speech to a recruit's parents.


No shiat
 
2012-07-13 01:44:58 PM  

doktorsteve: I'm not saying it's ok to cover this up.


Yes, you are, because you are allowing the people who committed the cover up to get what they wanted. This was done by people who are only too aware of what it means to take one for the team: people who knew they would be pilloried if caught, but found this risk acceptable in the name of protecting their precious team. The appropriate punishment, therefore, is to ensure this plan fails: let the guilty parties watch and despair as everything they worked for is taken away. Those still alive, anyway; it is a pity that Paterno will not see this.

The beauty of this is that for people so dedicated to their team that they would protect one of the vilest people alive just to keep it going, this is probably worse than any prison sentence, fine, probation, community, or other judicial punishment you could possibly give them. I wouldn't even mind so much if nobody went to jail, as long as the death penalty still gets imposed, because this is how you hit someone where it hurts. That's not to say that jail and the other sentences are not still necessary, because they serve important societal functions apart from their punitive role. But the death penalty, if imposed, would be the real punishment. It's sad, and sick, that people exist for which this would be the case. But the fact that this cover-up ever happened proves that there are, so let us punish them as appropriate to their psychological makeup.

Another plus is that it even hits not just Sandusky's defenders, but their defenders: you can grab and slap all the scum in one fell swoop. That's a feature, not a bug. You, too, get a share in the pain: a minor share for your minor role, but a share all the same.

No penalty guarantees that & you know it.

No penalty guarantees it, but it can reduce the risk dramatically, and also ensure that the guilty, once found, are removed. This last is the most important thing.
 
2012-07-13 01:45:48 PM  

LibertyHiller: Northwestern grad here, and I never wanted Penn State in the conference in the first place, but my reaction has nothing to do with it being PSU on the hot seat. Like others, I wanted to give JoePa the benefit of the doubt, but the report is just too damning.

Between the school and the NCAA, I'd like to see the following:

Death Penalty, because this isn't about players, it's about coaches, administrators and culture. Two years with no football program, starting with the 2012 season. No television for five years, no bowl games for a decade, Paterno's records vacated. All coaches discharged, not to return for at least 12 years. Players offered unconditional releases if they wish to transfer, or free rides consistent with their eligibility, if they prefer to finish their degrees at Penn State.

As for the library and the statue, I'll let the Penn State community hash those out.

Then, I suggest that the people of Pennsylvania think about how their universities are governed. PSU has a ginormous board of trustees compared to similar schools, with 32 trustees. The entire University of California system is run by a board of 26 and Ohio's state schools make do with 11. (I'm including ex-officio members, of course.) Michigan's board of regents is elected by the people; it doesn't seem to have hurt the school.

In any event, the brand is farked for the next few years, across the board. Sucks to be one of their fans right now, but time heals all wounds. I had to wait almost 30 years for my program to live down the reputation of being a patsy. You'll get over it.


Relax, man. As I Am Right has pointed out, everything is cool and no punishment or sanctions are warranted.
 
2012-07-13 01:46:05 PM  

LibertyHiller: Northwestern grad here, and I never wanted Penn State in the conference in the first place, but my reaction has nothing to do with it being PSU on the hot seat. Like others, I wanted to give JoePa the benefit of the doubt, but the report is just too damning.

Between the school and the NCAA, I'd like to see the following:

Death Penalty, because this isn't about players, it's about coaches, administrators and culture. Two years with no football program, starting with the 2012 season. No television for five years, no bowl games for a decade, Paterno's records vacated. All coaches discharged, not to return for at least 12 years. Players offered unconditional releases if they wish to transfer, or free rides consistent with their eligibility, if they prefer to finish their degrees at Penn State.

As for the library and the statue, I'll let the Penn State community hash those out.

Then, I suggest that the people of Pennsylvania think about how their universities are governed. PSU has a ginormous board of trustees compared to similar schools, with 32 trustees. The entire University of California system is run by a board of 26 and Ohio's state schools make do with 11. (I'm including ex-officio members, of course.) Michigan's board of regents is elected by the people; it doesn't seem to have hurt the school.

In any event, the brand is farked for the next few years, across the board. Sucks to be one of their fans right now, but time heals all wounds. I had to wait almost 30 years for my program to live down the reputation of being a patsy. You'll get over it.


1000x This. And I really hope IAmRight reads this. He needs help.
 
2012-07-13 01:46:10 PM  
Plus this image should be posted more often in here.

thepigskindoctors.com

Because it's going to be at every single game they have for years.
 
2012-07-13 01:48:46 PM  

gimmegimme: Again, we're talking about degrees.


No, we're talking about the fact that, right now, Penn State is probably the safest campus in America to be a kid. And Ohio State is probably the most vigilant about ensuring that players aren't selling off their free stuff. Are you really not aware of how this works? Again, I'll bring up Jack-in-the-Box. They had an e.Coli outbreak - since that point, they were the safest fast-food restaurant to eat at because they went over the top on trying to prevent another giant PR disaster. People still made jokes and talked about how unsafe they were for a while, just like people are still making Pedo State jokes. But in reality, that campus is probably the safest campus for little boys in the country.

gimmegimme: Penn State football was clearly the problem.


No, a pedophile was the problem, and governing a powerful institution was the problem. You realize, again, that sexual crimes are happening at colleges every day and ignored by higher-ups because they don't want to bring attention to it, right? It's usually harassing students, but it's still a sexual crime that would cause great damage to the university. And no one's demanding that those entire departments or the entire university be dismantled.
 
2012-07-13 01:48:59 PM  

rka: Please.

"Oh gosh, We pretty much have to hand out this emeritus status to this kiddie diddler here. Our hands are tied! Think of the precedent!!!".

That's stupid. Even for Fark.


Blame Schultz, Spanier, and the current PSU president. My initial explanation was inaccurate and the Freehy report, which I referenced downthread, gives the fully explanation.
 
2012-07-13 01:49:02 PM  
Penn State is now the most expensive state school in the country.
 
2012-07-13 01:52:08 PM  

Mager: Plus this image should be posted more often in here.

[thepigskindoctors.com image 590x300]

Because it's going to be at every single game they have for years.


i think road games will be fun for penn state. 3 hours of the fans chanting; "KID-DIE RAPE KID-DIE RAPE!" and similar.
 
2012-07-13 01:54:07 PM  

IAmRight: gimmegimme: Again, we're talking about degrees.

No, we're talking about the fact that, right now, Penn State is probably the safest campus in America to be a kid. And Ohio State is probably the most vigilant about ensuring that players aren't selling off their free stuff. Are you really not aware of how this works? Again, I'll bring up Jack-in-the-Box. They had an e.Coli outbreak - since that point, they were the safest fast-food restaurant to eat at because they went over the top on trying to prevent another giant PR disaster. People still made jokes and talked about how unsafe they were for a while, just like people are still making Pedo State jokes. But in reality, that campus is probably the safest campus for little boys in the country.

gimmegimme: Penn State football was clearly the problem.

No, a pedophile was the problem, and governing a powerful institution was the problem. You realize, again, that sexual crimes are happening at colleges every day and ignored by higher-ups because they don't want to bring attention to it, right? It's usually harassing students, but it's still a sexual crime that would cause great damage to the university. And no one's demanding that those entire departments or the entire university be dismantled.


My goodness, you quazy. When someone gets sick from Jack in the Box, they GO TO THE DOCTOR. And if there are enough cases, they CALL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. Then the news TELLS EVERYONE ABOUT IT. And if someone put the e. coli in the meat on purpose, THE COPS GET INVOLVED.

When someone rapes a child in the Penn State shower...nothing happens.

Are you aware that schools are LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT CRIMES ON CAMPUS? When they fail to do so, they get in big trouble. If an emeritus English professor were farking boys in the English Department bathroom, someone would CALL THE COPS and the incident would be put into the university's mandated report.

When someone rapes a child in the Penn State shower...no one in Penn State football calls the cops, so it can't go into Penn State's report.
 
2012-07-13 01:56:08 PM  

IAmRight:
That's what most of the issues with the football players were, so bringing up the fact that the program handled those "in-house" is stupid and has nothing to do with this. Everyone handles that sh*t in-house.


We get it. You love Penn State. I'm guessing you're catholic. and you love football.

so much so that you're defending the culture that allows for the institutional rape of little boys. seriously, how else would you describe it?

I don't get it. You've displayed morals in your postings before. What happened?

I don't think the NCAA or anyone else should yank PSU's athletic programs. I would hope the university would have the decency to do that proactively, if nothing more than to acknowledge their total failure here. Perhaps the University should go back to focusing on academics?

/I know, I know, think about the little footballs
 
2012-07-13 01:56:30 PM  

IAmRight: No, you're limiting it to the football program because it suits your argument, not because it's logical to think that the president of any university cares more about a football program than the university.


Well, I'd believe that about Gordon Gee, no problem.

But this really is an important point in this argument. The people arguing that this is such a football problem that the football program must be punished severely by the people with power over football are actually giving athletics power over the rest of the university, and I mean that in an ongoing sense; not retrospectively.

Kiddie rape being covered up by local functionaries (in 1998) and higher-ups in the University is not a football problem. To say that it is a football problem, simply because the perp was associated with football, is to say that the next time some crime is committed by a football player, the coach is the one who should deal with it. That's not true. In fact, that has long been my biggest complaint against Paterno - like other bigtime coaches he protected his players from judicial punishment by claiming special powers that should not have been ceded to him. Now, even though many of you are complaining about that type of thing happening, you are making it more likely, not less, by continuously painting these crimes as something from the football program , that "the football program" should have prevented and "the football program" should be punished for.

It's wrong to cede that power to athletics. Punish the individuals who caused and allowed it to happen. When you say that the power of Paterno compelled them, you are admitting, and some of you are reveling in, the notion that football should replace law enforcement and the judiciary, football trumps morality, football controls the universe. When you seem to by saying that preventing football would prevent or deter crime, you are being extremely simplistic.

Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and probably others should face justice for what they did or didn't do. Focusing on "the program" removes the focus from those individuals who were responsible.
 
2012-07-13 01:57:09 PM  

gimmegimme: Are you aware that schools are LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT CRIMES ON CAMPUS? When they fail to do so, they get in big trouble. If an emeritus English professor were farking boys in the English Department bathroom, someone would CALL THE COPS and the incident would be put into the university's mandated report.

When someone rapes a child in the Penn State shower...no one in Penn State football calls the cops, so it can't go into Penn State's report.


The law requires underlings to report the crime to their immediate superior until the buck is supposed to stop. It went McQueary->Paterno-> Tim Curley -> Schultz -> Spanier
 
2012-07-13 01:57:19 PM  
I hope all the outrage and calls for the "death penalty" here is cathartic for the horde Fark geeks who were bullied by those mean football players back in school.
 
2012-07-13 01:57:36 PM  

IAmRight: supageil: If you're arguing against the death penalty because you think it's "too harsh", for whatever reason, you're a pedophile-excusing asshole.

The pedophile is in prison for life, special one. No one is defending this.

A Fark Handle: ok to punish in house: skipping class, underage drinking, etc

That's what most of the issues with the football players were, so bringing up the fact that the program handled those "in-house" is stupid and has nothing to do with this. Everyone handles that sh*t in-house.


No, this also has to do with things like football players invading a house party, starting a brawl, and putting a bunch of people in the hospital. Incidents where players were returned by the Police to JoePa rather than being taken downtown and booked. He swept those under the rug and assumed he could sweep Sandusky under the rug too.

Link
 
2012-07-13 01:58:41 PM  

IAmRight: Penn State is probably the safest campus in America to be a kid.


So what?
 
2012-07-13 01:59:57 PM  

redmid17: gimmegimme: Are you aware that schools are LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT CRIMES ON CAMPUS? When they fail to do so, they get in big trouble. If an emeritus English professor were farking boys in the English Department bathroom, someone would CALL THE COPS and the incident would be put into the university's mandated report.

When someone rapes a child in the Penn State shower...no one in Penn State football calls the cops, so it can't go into Penn State's report.

The law requires underlings to report the crime to their immediate superior until the buck is supposed to stop. It went McQueary->Paterno-> Tim Curley -> Schultz -> Spanier


Well, I assure you that if I ever witness child rape, my very first call will be to 911. I hope yours is, too.

Leopold Stotch: IAmRight: supageil: If you're arguing against the death penalty because you think it's "too harsh", for whatever reason, you're a pedophile-excusing asshole.

The pedophile is in prison for life, special one. No one is defending this.

A Fark Handle: ok to punish in house: skipping class, underage drinking, etc

That's what most of the issues with the football players were, so bringing up the fact that the program handled those "in-house" is stupid and has nothing to do with this. Everyone handles that sh*t in-house.

No, this also has to do with things like football players invading a house party, starting a brawl, and putting a bunch of people in the hospital. Incidents where players were returned by the Police to JoePa rather than being taken downtown and booked. He swept those under the rug and assumed he could sweep Sandusky under the rug too.

Link


Hmm...so what you're saying is that the institution has no control whatsoever over the football program. The institution has losst control...over the program.
 
2012-07-13 02:00:12 PM  
Ahhhh, the smell of people poisoned by tradition and blind loyalty making excuses for the reprehensible and showing the attitude that let the crime happen to begin with.

fark good old boys. fark settling things internally. fark protecting the school or the football program or the community. These are people who have dined on the fruits of the Nittany Lions and found that they liked the taste so much, they were willing to look the other way when rape started to get on the table.

This isn't just a pedophile, or just a coach covering for a pedophile. This is about an institutionalized and decades-long loyalty to a name, and to tradition, and willing to sell your soul to see those protected even when they've been stained with evil.
 
2012-07-13 02:00:22 PM  

gimmegimme: When someone rapes a child in the Penn State shower...nothing happens.


Except for the time the police were told and did nothing about the molestation, because, in Sandusky's own words, "I do it all the time."

gimmegimme: Are you aware that schools are LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT CRIMES ON CAMPUS?


Yes, I am. Actually, people who work for a university are - universities are incapable of dialing phones. That's part of why those people with that obligation who did not inform the law are in legal trouble and why they were fired - the university, or the people that govern it, doesn't have the power to do anything more than fire someone.

gimmegimme: no one in Penn State football calls the cops


McQueary was the one witness involved with the football program that didn't go to the cops, yet you're all upset about the 100+ players/coaches that didn't see anything that we know of, therefore couldn't tell anyone.
 
2012-07-13 02:01:52 PM  
Matt Millen on ESPN:

"I think back to stuff that Coach Paterno himself would tell us... talk to us about, and that's be responsible, be accountable to what your actions are, what you did or failed to do."


And then


"They're pointing the finger right now, so take responsibility, be accountable. Right now it's the blame game."


Doesn't Matt Millen see his mentor and coach was a hypocrite? He told others to be responsible and accountable, and then he doesn't hold Sandusky responsible and accountable and he covers things up. All his words of wisdom and character were hollow words he didn't live it. And then he calls it the "blame game", no, it is HOLDING Paterno responsible and accountable for his dirty cover-up.

Does Matt Millen even think about the shiate that comes from his own lips? No wonder he failed as GM of the Lions. The man is stupid. Must be that quality Penn State education that taught him Paterno is God. Another example to shut down PSU football. It shuttles dumb guys like Matt Millen out into the world.
 
2012-07-13 02:02:37 PM  

IAmRight:

gimmegimme: no one in Penn State football calls the cops

McQueary was the one witness involved with the football program that didn't go to the cops, yet you're all upset about the 100+ players/coaches that didn't see anything that we know of, therefore couldn't tell anyone.


Really? Do you have any proof that Joe Paterno called the cops in 2002?
 
2012-07-13 02:03:17 PM  
I'm pretty sure there were nice people at Arthur Andersen too.
 
2012-07-13 02:03:59 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: We get it. You love Penn State. I'm guessing you're catholic. and you love football.


I don't give a sh*t about Penn State or Catholicism. I don't blame the entire Catholic Church and say that they need to not be allowed to preach because some of their priests f*cked kids. Everyone who knew about the priests f*cking kids needs to be fired, then it's up to the law to decide what to do with them. And obviously the same goes for the actual pedophiles.

I believe in limiting punishments for crimes to the people that were actually involved in the commissions of crimes, rather than "proving a point." I also disagreed with the punishments for tOSU and USC.
 
2012-07-13 02:04:40 PM  

IAmRight: I also disagreed with the punishments for tOSU and USC.


*blink, blink*
 
2012-07-13 02:04:46 PM  

Sliding Carp: Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and probably others should face justice for what they did or didn't do. Focusing on "the program" removes the focus from those individuals who were responsible.


can't we do both. throw those farks in jail AND lessen the power and prestige of the football program. after all, they concealed this kiddy-rapist for a decade plus to protect the football program (and perhaps partially the university). they concealed sandusky to maintain the program they had built. that was their goal. kids just happened to have to get raped to do so. let's take it away. let's make the penn state football program a little less powerful and not as prestigious. and as smu proved, the death penalty will do just that.
 
2012-07-13 02:05:36 PM  

IAmRight: SisterMaryElephant: We get it. You love Penn State. I'm guessing you're catholic. and you love football.

I don't give a sh*t about Penn State or Catholicism. I don't blame the entire Catholic Church and say that they need to not be allowed to preach because some of their priests f*cked kids. Everyone who knew about the priests f*cking kids needs to be fired, then it's up to the law to decide what to do with them. And obviously the same goes for the actual pedophiles.

I believe in limiting punishments for crimes to the people that were actually involved in the commissions of crimes, rather than "proving a point." I also disagreed with the punishments for tOSU and USC.


Dude, the entire hierarchy of the Church knew about and facilitated the child rape. Cardinal Ratzinger knew. The previous Pope knew. At what point does the institution deserve the taint of their crimes?
 
2012-07-13 02:06:02 PM  

doubled99: I hope all the outrage and calls for the "death penalty" here is cathartic for the horde Fark geeks who were bullied by those mean football players back in school.


Nobody gives a shiat about your SILLY LITTLE GAME or the people who play it. Because it is JUST A GAME.

There are far more important issues here, like that an organization (who gives a fark what kind of organization) was so concerned with the bottom line and their image that they ALLOWED AND FACILITATED THE RAPE OF LITTLE CHILDREN.

It is literally the worst crime imaginable, and they knew about it, let it keep happening, and covered it up.

I don't care if it was football, pro hockey, or ultimate frisbee.

GET YOUR farkING PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.
 
2012-07-13 02:06:31 PM  

gimmegimme: Really? Do you have any proof that Joe Paterno called the cops in 2002?


In 1998, no one from PSU reported it, but the police investigated, as did other state child welfare agencies, and concluded that it wasn't a big deal that two boys had been picked up and hugged in the showers by a naked Sandusky. That had nothing to do with the football program getting in anyone's way or stopping the investigation. This should have been over before any of the people who "covered it up" even knew it had happened.

Thanks, incompetent investigators who will never be punished! We'll blame football for your incompetence!
 
2012-07-13 02:07:32 PM  

doubled99: I hope all the outrage and calls for the "death penalty" here is cathartic for the horde Fark geeks who were bullied by those mean football players back in school.


Some of the people most pissed off at Penn State are people who played football.
 
2012-07-13 02:09:30 PM  

IAmRight: gimmegimme: Really? Do you have any proof that Joe Paterno called the cops in 2002?

In 1998, no one from PSU reported it, but the police investigated, as did other state child welfare agencies, and concluded that it wasn't a big deal that two boys had been picked up and hugged in the showers by a naked Sandusky. That had nothing to do with the football program getting in anyone's way or stopping the investigation. This should have been over before any of the people who "covered it up" even knew it had happened.

Thanks, incompetent investigators who will never be punished! We'll blame football for your incompetence!


So you are admitting that your statement was specious. You said, "McQueary was the one witness involved with the football program that didn't go to the cops." Paterno didn't go to the cops. The administration didn't go to the cops.

Maybe the cops who had Penn State football stars in their eyes would have taken the charges more seriously in 2002 if they had been informed that Sandusky had just farked a boy in the shower.

You keep admitting that Penn State is unable and/or unwilling to prevent child rape in its facilities. Why shouldn't they take a time out?
 
2012-07-13 02:09:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: *blink, blink*


The NCAA's system of punishment is stupid.

Also, in my book, conning a sports agent is awesome, and Reggie Bush should be praised for having done such. I don't think it helps USC to have guys trying to take players out of their program early. He didn't get the money because he went to USC - he got the money because he was going to the NFL.

A Fark Handle: throw those farks in jail AND lessen the power and prestige of the football program.


All of which has already been done.
 
2012-07-13 02:09:35 PM  

IAmRight: This should have been over before any of the people who "covered it up" even knew it had happened.


As it was it wasn't and they did.
 
2012-07-13 02:10:09 PM  

IAmRight: SisterMaryElephant: We get it. You love Penn State. I'm guessing you're catholic. and you love football.

I don't give a sh*t about Penn State or Catholicism. I don't blame the entire Catholic Church and say that they need to not be allowed to preach because some of their priests f*cked kids. Everyone who knew about the priests f*cking kids needs to be fired, then it's up to the law to decide what to do with them. And obviously the same goes for the actual pedophiles.

I believe in limiting punishments for crimes to the people that were actually involved in the commissions of crimes, rather than "proving a point." I also disagreed with the punishments for tOSU and USC.


So you've no problem with continuance of the culture that allowed kiddy-farking to happen? It's what happened with the Catholic Church, but I'm sure Penn State will be different because they're not an isolated environment that allows for easy cover......oh, wait. never mind.
 
2012-07-13 02:10:36 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IAmRight: This should have been over before any of the people who "covered it up" even knew it had happened.

As it was it wasn't and they did.


I think what IAmRight is ultimately saying, "Hate the playa, don't hate da game."
 
2012-07-13 02:10:37 PM  

doubled99: I hope all the outrage and calls for the "death penalty" here is cathartic for the horde Fark geeks who were bullied by those mean football players back in school.


It is, but that doesn't make what happened here any less deserving of the death penalty. Nor does it make you any less of the scum of the Earth for defending these people just because football.
 
2012-07-13 02:10:41 PM  

IAmRight: The NCAA's system of punishment is stupid.


Only because it's applied unevenly. They need to be a lot more strict.
 
2012-07-13 02:11:34 PM  

doubled99: I hope all the outrage and calls for the "death penalty" here is cathartic for the horde Fark geeks who were bullied by those mean football players back in school.


Oh STFU, don't you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?

/HS football and baseball player
 
2012-07-13 02:12:00 PM  

IAmRight: I also disagreed with the punishments for tOSU and USC.


sure. we can agree there. nothing wrong with the players getting some extra cash, tattoos, or whatever some dumb booster wants to give them. on the other hand there this whole decade plus institutional cover up of and worse the enabling of kiddy rape that seems just a little more serious...
 
2012-07-13 02:12:20 PM  

IAmRight: I believe in limiting punishments for crimes to the people that were actually involved in the commissions of crimes, rather than "proving a point." I also disagreed with the punishments for tOSU and USC.


So you don't believe in prison or fines, since these cause hardship for perpetrators' families?

Some level of collateral damage is acceptable, when the crime is severe enough. This is one such case.
 
2012-07-13 02:12:47 PM  
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Clery Act.

Do you know how many times the Freeh report mentions the NCAA? Three. Yep. Three times.

Do you know how many times the Freeh report mentions the Clery Act? Over a hundred. I stopped counting when I hit triple digits.

Campuses who receive Title IV funds are required by law (surprisingly enough, a law called The Clery Act) to report to the Department of Education the number of crimes committed on campus each year. Campuses are required to post alerts when certain crimes are committed. The consequences for failure to comply? The loss of Title IV funds. No Federal Financial Aid dollars.

Money drives everything. Take away the money and you have the scorched earth you're looking for. If the NCAA shuts down the PSU football program, the message is 'do a better job of hiding your dirty laundry'. If the Department of Education yanks federal funding from PSU, it sends a message to ALL schools: we have a stick and we're not afraid to use it.

Someone waaaaay up thread said if PSU had any decency, they'd shut the football program down themselves. I agree.
 
2012-07-13 02:13:20 PM  

gimmegimme: Dude, the entire hierarchy of the Church knew about and facilitated the child rape. Cardinal Ratzinger knew. The previous Pope knew. At what point does the institution deserve the taint of their crimes?


Damn right. And I say that as a formerly practicing Roman Catholic who left the church when he realized that his money was going to child molesters and child molester enablers.

Ratty/Benny needs to absolutely be held accountable for his (very large and crucial) involvement in what was and still is going on in the RCC, and it will probably kill the institution. But again, if the bottom line is more important than the safety and welfare of children, the whole organization needs to be ripped apart and rebuilt from the ground up to ensure that it puts moral values before profits.
 
2012-07-13 02:13:34 PM  

gimmegimme: You said, "McQueary was the one witness involved with the football program that didn't go to the cops." Paterno didn't go to the cops. The administration didn't go to the cops.


Neither Paterno nor the administration were witnesses. The most we know for SURE about Paterno is that he knew there was another molestation incident reported by McQueary, because "something sexual in nature" doesn't really say "rape." And the cops themselves had said in 1998 that showering with boys was A-OK with them.

/McQueary's dad should've told him to go to the cops. WTF @ saying "ask Paterno."

gimmegimme: You keep admitting that Penn State is unable and/or unwilling to prevent child rape in its facilities.


As I said before, no organization is able to prevent child rape in its facilities unless you want to separate all children from all adults and never allow contact between the two, especially if they're family members, because family members commit the most pedophilic acts. So your claim is pointless and stupid.
 
2012-07-13 02:15:21 PM  

Millennium: Some level of collateral damage is acceptable, when the crime is severe enough. This is one such case.


Also as far as the players are concerned, they'd be free to go to other schools to play, the NCAA would exempt them from the usual transfer rule. Same thing happened with SMU, since the vast majority of players were not involved with the rules violations that took place, the NCAA let them transfer to any school they wanted and not lose any eligibility. Indeed it might be wise for the NCAA to exempt the players as is right now. They certainly didn't sign on to end up playing for a program going down the toilet and certainly could be excused for having personal feelings that make it rather difficult from them to really want to hang around given what happened.
 
2012-07-13 02:15:52 PM  

IAmRight: All of which has already been done.


No. The process of lowering the prestige of the PSU football program has scarcely begun. If any of you farkers out there are at U of Michigan and DON'T have a pedobear sign, well, you know what to do. Same goes for any Buckeyes out there, and what the heck, even Golden Gophers.
 
2012-07-13 02:15:58 PM  

IAmRight: Neither Paterno nor the administration were witnesses. The most we know for SURE about Paterno is that he knew there was another molestation incident reported by McQueary, because "something sexual in nature" doesn't really say "rape." And the cops themselves had said in 1998 that showering with boys was A-OK with them.


That doesn't mean Paterno was right. That means the cops were farking wrong and part of the very disgusting cycle of tradition and blind loyalty that allowed this to happen.
 
2012-07-13 02:17:04 PM  

fireclown: IAmRight: All of which has already been done.

No. The process of lowering the prestige of the PSU football program has scarcely begun. If any of you farkers out there are at U of Michigan and DON'T have a pedobear sign, well, you know what to do. Same goes for any Buckeyes out there, and what the heck, even Golden Gophers.


The Golden Gopher sounds like the Pedobear's sidekick. Like a dancing rodent that pees on everything.
 
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