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(Detroit Free Press)   Penn State unlikely to receive "Death Penalty". I mean, it's not like players got free tattoos or a donor gave someone a car or anything... that would be far more serious   (freep.com) divider line 797
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2012-07-13 12:56:15 PM

LTRM35A2: If Paterno had said "Keep this palooka off my campus", I doubt anyone would have refused to honor that request.


Similarly, if the President had not given Sandusky emeritus status, no one would have raised an eyebrow (because football coaches don't get emeritus status ever). And if the President had gotten rid of Sandusky based on what was known in the 1998 case, what would Paterno have done about it that would be worse than what happened?

Even if Paterno were openly trying to stop everything with all his power at all steps of the way, he never had the power to do anything about it if information was made public.

room at the top: That was the first thing established on any Penn State job interview.


Did you interview at Penn State or are you, like most people, just making this up?
 
2012-07-13 12:57:05 PM

room at the top: he was a freaking football coach. Enough already with the pedestals for these guys.


Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
 
2012-07-13 12:57:23 PM

birchman: redmid17: Millennium: IAmRight: Millennium: The plan was to defend the reputation and continuity of the football program university

FTFY

So you want the university to be destroyed, right? You can't on the one hand say it's all about the football program and then say that "because it extended beyond the football program is the reason the football program must be the ones heavily punished."

The university will not be destroyed by a couple of years without football. Nowhere near. Only an institution of higher learning that had truly gone rotten to the core would be destroyed by a few years without football. I would like to think that Penn State is not that far gone, and if it is, then perhaps it's time for it to die.

The President is the one who gave Sandusky emeritus status, giving him access to PSU for all those years. Paterno doesn't have the authority to do that, no matter how much people want him to have had that authority.

Nice one. Look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that Paterno had no role in that decision.

Emeritus status is pretty much a given for anyone who's been affiliated with the university for X number of years in a significant fashion. I don't really think Paterno or the president had much to do with that particular aspect.

Wow.


The emeritus professors I knew in college said it was pretty much handed to them in their retirement package. May differ elsewhere
 
2012-07-13 12:57:41 PM

IAmRight: Penn State as a university did nothing to do those kids.


This is literally the only thing people need to read from you on this topic. It demonstrates that you just don't get it and likely never will.
 
2012-07-13 12:57:43 PM
The finger JoePa wouldn't lift to stop a kiddie-diddler is immortalized in bronze.
missourisportsmag.com
'
We do things the right way here'...
'Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.'
....
Where were those ideals when you were called upon to do the right thing Joe???

Guess it was easier to yell at students to pick up litter than it was to throw that pile of garbage Sandusky in the trash heap where he belongs.

Fire the ENTIRE Board of Trustees, they can't be trusted to have priorities of honor over $$

Indict Shultz, Curley, McQueery, & anyone else tied to this coverup.
 
2012-07-13 12:57:53 PM

precious_crotchflake: gimmegimme: precious_crotchflake: gimmegimme: trappedspirit: nmiguy: PENN State football. yes. Stay with me here, you have READ the report right? Penn State Football meaning Paterno and his bosses allowed Sandusky to bring little boys on campus to showers to bowl games and they knew he was sodomizing them in the showers and they did NOTHING. They gave him the keys to the facility and basically gave him access to team showers for his rapes. Are you DIM? Do you know NOTHING about this story?

PENN state football is comprised of who ever happens to be in PENN state football at the time. It is not a being that does anything. Do you really think there is SOMETHING SPECIAL about football programs that make them cause child rape? Or might it be a finite number of specific people who abused their positions and aided in a guy's sickness? PENN State football as an entity or even concept is about as much to blame here as is the state governors office of Illinois for Blagojevich.

What a great point. The United States should not have gone to war with Germany. After all, Germany wasn't the problem. It was a finite number of people who abused their positions and aided in a guy's sickness.

You know WHO ELSE made broad generalizations about a group of people?

/hot Godwin-on-Godwin action

Trappedspirit was making the point that only a few people at the top are responsible in any organization. Instead of that whole messy D-Day thing, America should simply have sent a commando in to take out Hitler and everything would have been right with the world.

Oh, I get that. But are we really comparing Paterno to Hitler now? And PSU football to the Third Reich? And PSU to Nazi Germany?


I was addressing his silly analogy. I figured he would be familiar with Nazi Germany and who led it.
 
2012-07-13 12:58:40 PM

Gosling: Basically, SomebodyElsesShoes. Nobody's going to do the right thing, nobody's going to learn a valuable lesson. All that's left to do is bring the hammer down as hard as possible by any means necessary.


Well, I'm not so naive as to be stupid. But I'd just think that applying public pressure to PSU would be more effective and direct than the NCAA. But clearly that hasn't worked since I just saw an article about how much money they have already raised.

I look forward to stories in the coming years about the Nittany Lions "overcoming adversity" and "bouncing back" to win football games after this terrible "scandal," since I don't have much confidence in the NCAA.
 
2012-07-13 12:59:08 PM

gimmegimme: Then Penn State can focus on playing a little football.


And as things are, if they ever do want a good program again, it might actually be better if they don't have one for a couple years. Right now, no one who has any sort of credentials wants to get near the program. When they went looking for a new coach several people who would be absolute awesome hires for any other program, basically said "Oh hell no I'm not coaching there". While a good number of coaches, though by no means all of them, might look the other way about boosters who are a bit too friendly with a team and other things, there are lines they won't cross or allow others to cross. And they aren't going to take a job where their reputation would be out the window if things stand as they are.
 
2012-07-13 12:59:32 PM

IAmRight: LTRM35A2: If Paterno had said "Keep this palooka off my campus", I doubt anyone would have refused to honor that request.

Similarly, if the President had not given Sandusky emeritus status, no one would have raised an eyebrow (because football coaches don't get emeritus status ever). And if the President had gotten rid of Sandusky based on what was known in the 1998 case, what would Paterno have done about it that would be worse than what happened?

Even if Paterno were openly trying to stop everything with all his power at all steps of the way, he never had the power to do anything about it if information was made public.


What are you talking about? If Paterno had openly done something in 1998, then that kid wouldn't have been farked in the Penn State shower in 2002.
 
2012-07-13 12:59:34 PM

IAmRight: Even if Paterno were openly trying to stop everything with all his power at all steps of the way, he never had the power to do anything about it if information was made public.


He could have banned Sandusky from the football facilities and from all football events.

Thanks for proving to us that you didn't bother to read the Freeh Report by the way.
 
2012-07-13 12:59:42 PM

AliceBToklasLives: room at the top: he was a freaking football coach. Enough already with the pedestals for these guys.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.


You're the one who stated "If it can happen to JoPa, it can happen to anyone." I fully expected it to happen to someone like JoPa.
 
2012-07-13 01:01:04 PM

WhyteRaven74: gimmegimme: Then Penn State can focus on playing a little football.

And as things are, if they ever do want a good program again, it might actually be better if they don't have one for a couple years. Right now, no one who has any sort of credentials wants to get near the program. When they went looking for a new coach several people who would be absolute awesome hires for any other program, basically said "Oh hell no I'm not coaching there". While a good number of coaches, though by no means all of them, might look the other way about boosters who are a bit too friendly with a team and other things, there are lines they won't cross or allow others to cross. And they aren't going to take a job where their reputation would be out the window if things stand as they are.


You're absolutely right. The only way for Penn State to start building a reputation is to make the painful choices.
 
2012-07-13 01:02:14 PM

Millennium: The university will not be destroyed by a couple of years without football. Nowhere near.


Having trouble understanding what I said? Oh, the university president was only worried about the reputation of the football program. He didn't give a sh*t about the university or its reputation when he was deciding to cover it up. No, you're limiting it to the football program because it suits your argument, not because it's logical to think that the president of any university cares more about a football program than the university.

redmid17: Emeritus status is pretty much a given for anyone who's been affiliated with the university for X number of years in a significant fashion. I don't really think Paterno or the president had much to do with that particular aspect.


It's really, really rare for football coaches, though that may be in large part because they are pretty transient.

Millennium: Nice one. Look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that Paterno had no role in that decision.


Who cares if he had a role in the decision? He didn't put a gun to his head and force him to sign the papers, as far as we know. Anything short of that and it's pretty silly to blame someone else for influencing your decision if you're the president of a university.
 
2012-07-13 01:04:37 PM

redmid17: Emeritus status is pretty much a given for anyone who's been affiliated with the university for X number of years in a significant fashion. I don't really think Paterno or the president had much to do with that particular aspect.


actually, no. there was internal debate about giving emeritus status to sandusky, it usual doesn't go to football coaches, and he had limited academic credentials. but they still gave it to him (and an unusually large cash payment of ~$170K) after they knew about at least one shower incident. after more incidents they changed their minds and basically said, "go be a kiddy rapist somewhere else." he was still allowed on campus, but he just wasn't allowed to bring his "guests" anymore. it's all sorts of farked up...
 
2012-07-13 01:05:33 PM

AliceBToklasLives: SH: Weaver95: yes. why is this so difficult to grasp?

For a very good reason. You are punishing THOUSANDS of innocent people because a tiny percentage of them were morons.
Why is that so difficult to grasp?

I'll repeat: PUNISH THE PEOPLE RESPONISIBLE.

Here's the problem with the 'institutions have no agency, only people do' argument: Penn State is a case study in how institutions can corrupt. Yes, Sandusky was a monster hiding under institutional cover. But Paterno wasn't. He was a model citizen. It's not like he was busy covering up all sorts of crimes and Sandusky was the last straw. No - he was a good guy who allowed himself to be corrupted by power. Does that mean he is not responsible for his actions? By no means. Does that mean the institution that provided him the power and opportunity to make horrific decisions bears no responsibility? By no means.


Apparently when it came to his football players, he actually was covering up crimes. Football players were disciplined by Paterno, and Paterno only. Not by the normal University code of conduct or procedures. JoePa outranked the Dean of Student Affairs.
 
2012-07-13 01:05:38 PM

gimmegimme: What are you talking about? If Paterno had openly done something in 1998


1998 is prior to Paterno having knowledge of the first incident, which was initially reported by the kid that got molested directly to police. 1999 is when Paterno possibly knew something about it. Read the timeline on the report, not articles about the report.

PowerSlacker: He could have banned Sandusky from the football facilities and from all football events.


Could have and should have. But that's not really morally correct, either, unless you consider telling a known molester "go molest somewhere else" as correct.
 
2012-07-13 01:06:00 PM

IAmRight: redmid17: Emeritus status is pretty much a given for anyone who's been affiliated with the university for X number of years in a significant fashion. I don't really think Paterno or the president had much to do with that particular aspect.

It's really, really rare for football coaches, though that may be in large part because they are pretty transient.


For the people laying this at the feet of Paterno:

"Erickson approved "emeritus" status for Sandusky: Despite knowledge of allegations against Sandusky in 1998, Spanier promised him professor emeritus status as part of his retirement. That status change was approved by current university President Rodney Erickson, who was provost at the time. In an email exchange, Erickson said the university should "go ahead and approve" Sandusky's emeritus status because Spanier had promised it."

Erickson is the current PSU President and was then the Provost. Schultz prepared the request, Spanier promised it, and Erickson approved it despite the lack of basis for it (he didn't know about allegations though).
 
2012-07-13 01:07:08 PM

Leopold Stotch: Apparently when it came to his football players, he actually was covering up crimes. Football players were disciplined by Paterno, and Paterno only. Not by the normal University code of conduct or procedures. JoePa outranked the Dean of Student Affairs.


It is not unusual for people to be disciplined "in-house" rather than through formal procedures.
 
2012-07-13 01:08:39 PM
For those of you who don't think Paterno had the power to stop this; remember, this is the same guy that threw the AD off his property or call the cops when said AD was there to fire him.
 
2012-07-13 01:09:07 PM

gimmegimme: You're absolutely right. The only way for Penn State to start building a reputation is to make the painful choices.


Yep. As it is, they're now far from one of the top programs to work for, and it'll stay that way if they keep playing. They can keep playing and enjoy their new found status as the new Purdue of the Big Ten, or start from scratch and somewhere down the line become what they were in the past. Plus I can't imagine this isn't having an impact on all the other sports at Penn State when it comes to recruiting.
 
2012-07-13 01:09:59 PM

IAmRight: gimmegimme: What are you talking about? If Paterno had openly done something in 1998

1998 is prior to Paterno having knowledge of the first incident, which was initially reported by the kid that got molested directly to police. 1999 is when Paterno possibly knew something about it. Read the timeline on the report, not articles about the report.

PowerSlacker: He could have banned Sandusky from the football facilities and from all football events.

Could have and should have. But that's not really morally correct, either, unless you consider telling a known molester "go molest somewhere else" as correct.


Jesus Christ. Okay. I'll rephrase:

What are you talking about? If Paterno had openly done something in 19989, then that kid wouldn't have been farked in the Penn State shower in 2002.

And the morally correct thing to do is to CALL THE FARKING COPS.
 
2012-07-13 01:11:31 PM

IAmRight: It is not unusual for people to be disciplined "in-house" rather than through formal procedures.


That's kind of the problem. Indeed it is the central problem at play here.
 
2012-07-13 01:12:04 PM

gimmegimme: And the morally correct thing to do is to CALL THE FARKING COPS.


Call the cops, who, in 1998, upon hearing testimoney directly from two child molestation victims of Sandusky's, dropped all charges and said that it wasn't a big deal. I'm sure that would've stopped everything.
 
2012-07-13 01:12:59 PM

WhyteRaven74: That's kind of the problem. Indeed it is the central problem at play here.


It's also not always wrong for people to be punished "in-house."

/it was in this case, especially since they didn't really punish him
 
2012-07-13 01:13:42 PM

Weaver95: doktorsteve: Why not let the football program keep running BUT 25% of all revenue brought in by it for the rest of time goes to charities that deal with child abuse?

Because then you're saying that it's ok to cover up rape. if you get caught later, then you just pay off a few charities and it's all cool. that won't change the culture of lies and unethical behavior at all. in fact, you just encourage them to get better at the coverup, not stop committing crimes in the first place.


I'm not saying it's ok to cover this up. The people involved in that cover get investigated & if found guilty go to jail.
Getting rid of the football program doesn't (for sure) stop anyone at any university from covering things up again. No penalty guarantees that & you know it.
 
2012-07-13 01:14:25 PM

IAmRight: gimmegimme: And the morally correct thing to do is to CALL THE FARKING COPS.

Call the cops, who, in 1998, upon hearing testimoney directly from two child molestation victims of Sandusky's, dropped all charges and said that it wasn't a big deal. I'm sure that would've stopped everything.


So what you're saying is that the Penn State football program is unable to prevent child rape from occurring in its facilities? Maybe they shouldn't have any football until such time as they can guarantee no little boys get farked in the Penn State showers.
 
2012-07-13 01:15:42 PM

doktorsteve: Weaver95: doktorsteve: Why not let the football program keep running BUT 25% of all revenue brought in by it for the rest of time goes to charities that deal with child abuse?

Because then you're saying that it's ok to cover up rape. if you get caught later, then you just pay off a few charities and it's all cool. that won't change the culture of lies and unethical behavior at all. in fact, you just encourage them to get better at the coverup, not stop committing crimes in the first place.

I'm not saying it's ok to cover this up. The people involved in that cover get investigated & if found guilty go to jail.
Getting rid of the football program doesn't (for sure) stop anyone at any university from covering things up again. No penalty guarantees that & you know it.


But the football program raped those kids and lied about it. It wasn't the people within the program that knew about it. It was the football program because dammit, football hates kids.
 
2012-07-13 01:18:38 PM

gimmegimme: So what you're saying is that the Penn State football program is unable to prevent child rape from occurring in its facilities? Maybe they shouldn't have any football until such time as they can guarantee no little boys get farked in the Penn State showers.


No institution in the world can prevent child rape from occurring in its facilities. Until we start aggressively acting much as we do with child porn, where parents will be looked at with suspicion and not be allowed to be with their kids. After all, most child rape is done by a family member. We'll pretty much have to keep kids from being in any buildings with adults.

/I hope no one is testing the first sentence out
 
2012-07-13 01:19:14 PM
Well, I've got three new Farkers on my ignore list.

I'll put it real simply. If you want to argue that the death penalty would be misapplied because of NCAA "jurisdiction", then let's argue. I disagree, but it's a legitimate question.

If you're arguing against the death penalty because you think it's "too harsh", for whatever reason, you're a pedophile-excusing asshole. All this bargaining I'm reading here--"do anything else to us, just don't take away our football!"--is indicative of the exact attitude that led to this abuse of power.

PSU apologists, your relationship to football and to your school is an addiction. PSU higher-ups knew this, and banked on it with their cover up. YOUR ATTITUDES led to these abuses of power being tolerated, and therefore continuing. There are children who have to deal with memories of being raped, so that you could feel pride in your school.

Consider the death penalty your intervention.
 
2012-07-13 01:19:34 PM

WhyteRaven74: IAmRight: It is not unusual for people to be disciplined "in-house" rather than through formal procedures.

That's kind of the problem. Indeed it is the central problem at play here.


mathspig.files.wordpress.com
Testify, my brotha.
 
2012-07-13 01:20:05 PM

gimmegimme: stonicus: gimmegimme: IAmRight: Millennium: The plan was to defend the reputation and continuity of the football program university

FTFY

So you want the university to be destroyed, right? You can't on the one hand say it's all about the football program and then say that "because it extended beyond the football program is the reason the football program must be the ones heavily punished."

The President is the one who gave Sandusky emeritus status, giving him access to PSU for all those years. Paterno doesn't have the authority to do that, no matter how much people want him to have had that authority.

Why didn't Paterno call up the President and say, "Mr. President, Jerry Sandusky has been farking little boys in the campus showers. Please don't give him emeritus status?" Why didn't Paterno call up ESPN and say, "It pains me to have waited so long, but I must reveal that Jerry Sandusky has been farking little boys in the Penn State showers and it needs to stop. The President is considering giving Sandusky emeritus status, but he should go to jail instead."

Because he knew in the aftermath of it all he'd end up being forced to resign then he couldn't get to play his game anymore.

Wait...so football was more important to Penn State than reporting child rape (or education)? Maybe they shouldn't have football for a little while, so they can re-establish the proper priorities.


No, it was more important to Joe Paterno...
 
2012-07-13 01:20:15 PM

A Fark Handle: doktorsteve: Why not let the football program keep running BUT 25 60% of all revenue brought in by it for the rest of time goes to charities that deal with child abuse?

NCAA appoints an independent auditor that checks their books & this can never be repealed. If they don't want to do that, then burn it to the ground. I think this covers both aspects. It doesn't punish the athletes but it does extract an amount of payback.
And the millions it will generate for charity will help far more than just killing off the program.

ftfy. if you're going to go, go big. i still say the death penalty is appropriate.


I stand corrected. That would be a better amount.
I'm not against the death penalty but I think in the long run money put towards charities could be more beneficial.
Either way they have to clean house at that place
 
2012-07-13 01:20:29 PM

IAmRight: WhyteRaven74: That's kind of the problem. Indeed it is the central problem at play here.

It's also not always wrong for people to be punished "in-house."


it's actually pretty simple, somethings are ok to punish in house, some are not. this clearly falls into the not category.

ok to punish in house: skipping class, underage drinking, etc
not ok to punish in house: murder, rape, kiddy rape, etc
 
2012-07-13 01:20:51 PM
Let Mark Emmert, NCAA president, know how you feel.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/NCAA+President/NCAA+P r esident+Mark+Emmert

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2012-07-13 01:20:54 PM
I love whiling away lazy Saturdays in the Fall watching college football, but I'd be willing to boycott the NCAA if they don't give Penn State football the death penalty. I already feel guilty watching these guys give each other brain damage. I'll spend my time watching roller derby instead.
 
2012-07-13 01:21:29 PM

WhyteRaven74: gimmegimme: You're absolutely right. The only way for Penn State to start building a reputation is to make the painful choices.

Yep. As it is, they're now far from one of the top programs to work for, and it'll stay that way if they keep playing. They can keep playing and enjoy their new found status as the new Purdue of the Big Ten, or start from scratch and somewhere down the line become what they were in the past. Plus I can't imagine this isn't having an impact on all the other sports at Penn State when it comes to recruiting.


I can't imagine being a PSU coach now and making the 'I'll take care of your kid' speech to a recruit's parents.
 
2012-07-13 01:23:51 PM

supageil: If you're arguing against the death penalty because you think it's "too harsh", for whatever reason, you're a pedophile-excusing asshole.


The pedophile is in prison for life, special one. No one is defending this.

A Fark Handle: ok to punish in house: skipping class, underage drinking, etc


That's what most of the issues with the football players were, so bringing up the fact that the program handled those "in-house" is stupid and has nothing to do with this. Everyone handles that sh*t in-house.
 
2012-07-13 01:24:50 PM

IAmRight: Millennium: The university will not be destroyed by a couple of years without football. Nowhere near.

Having trouble understanding what I said? Oh, the university president was only worried about the reputation of the football program. He didn't give a sh*t about the university or its reputation when he was deciding to cover it up.


The university president is in perhaps the best position out of anyone in the entire university to know just how little the school would be affected by this (or how much, in which case the university has other problems which he failed to correct). This was about football. If the university would truly be destroyed by a death penalty, then it is still about football; the only difference is that now the university's existence is a subordinate problem to the football problem.

No, you're limiting it to the football program because it suits your argument, not because it's logical to think that the president of any university cares more about a football program than the university.

If a university president does not take steps to ensure that the university's reputation and existence are not too dependent on any one program, that's pretty powerful evidence that he cares more about that program than the university.

Who cares if he had a role in the decision?

Because it shows who, official title or otherwise, is really running things.
 
2012-07-13 01:24:51 PM

Badguy: The only way to stop the Penn State Culture from thinking football & money are more important than protecting children from rape is to take away football and money.

Period.
End of story.


This. 1000 times this.
 
2012-07-13 01:25:08 PM

IAmRight: gimmegimme: So what you're saying is that the Penn State football program is unable to prevent child rape from occurring in its facilities? Maybe they shouldn't have any football until such time as they can guarantee no little boys get farked in the Penn State showers.

No institution in the world can prevent child rape from occurring in its facilities. Until we start aggressively acting much as we do with child porn, where parents will be looked at with suspicion and not be allowed to be with their kids. After all, most child rape is done by a family member. We'll pretty much have to keep kids from being in any buildings with adults.

/I hope no one is testing the first sentence out


Penn State football now has a well-documented history of facilitating child rape and of helping perpetrators escape prosecution. Penn State football could easily have at least prevented the 2002 shower rape that occurred, but chose not to. An employee of Penn State football witnessed that 2002 shower rape but failed to call the police and the administration chose not to call the police.

Sorry, but Penn State football deserves much more scrutiny with respect to child rape than the average institution. Or don't you believe that the name on the front of the uniform means more than the name on the back?
 
2012-07-13 01:25:09 PM

room at the top: I can't imagine being a PSU coach now and making the 'I'll take care of your kid' speech to a recruit's parents.


Remember that Big 10 ad where Paterno says "come to Penn State" at the end, and at the time it was already kinda creepy-desperate? Yeah, this whole thing added about 100,000x to the creepy scale.
 
2012-07-13 01:25:35 PM

IXI Jim IXI: of course the NCAA has jurisdiction over this. This whole situation was caused by an over-abundance of tight ends


The express lane to hell is now open, please take a seat right over there... :)
 
2012-07-13 01:26:26 PM

IAmRight: doktorsteve: Weaver95: doktorsteve: Why not let the football program keep running BUT 25% of all revenue brought in by it for the rest of time goes to charities that deal with child abuse?

Because then you're saying that it's ok to cover up rape. if you get caught later, then you just pay off a few charities and it's all cool. that won't change the culture of lies and unethical behavior at all. in fact, you just encourage them to get better at the coverup, not stop committing crimes in the first place.

I'm not saying it's ok to cover this up. The people involved in that cover get investigated & if found guilty go to jail.
Getting rid of the football program doesn't (for sure) stop anyone at any university from covering things up again. No penalty guarantees that & you know it.

But the football program raped those kids and lied about it. It wasn't the people within the program that knew about it. It was the football program because dammit, football hates kids.


I'll only agree with you if they were raped with an actual football.
 
2012-07-13 01:27:02 PM

IAmRight: room at the top: I can't imagine being a PSU coach now and making the 'I'll take care of your kid' speech to a recruit's parents.

Remember that Big 10 ad where Paterno says "come to Penn State" at the end, and at the time it was already kinda creepy-desperate? Yeah, this whole thing added about 100,000x to the creepy scale.


Maybe Penn State football should wipe away Paterno's legacy as much as possible and take a time out until the creepy scale reduces somewhat.
 
2012-07-13 01:28:32 PM

gimmegimme: Sorry, but Penn State football deserves much more scrutiny with respect to child rape than the average institution.


Exactly, which means that there's no chance they're not going to be running a tighter ship than everyone else already.

gimmegimme: Or don't you believe that the name on the front of the uniform means more than the name on the back?


There aren't any names on either side of their uniforms.

/pointless information

Millennium: Because it shows who, official title or otherwise, is really running things.


Which makes you all sound like JoePa Truthers. "Yeah, but he was REALLY in control of everything from the police to state agencies to the university president!"
 
2012-07-13 01:31:01 PM

IAmRight: gimmegimme: Sorry, but Penn State football deserves much more scrutiny with respect to child rape than the average institution.

Exactly, which means that there's no chance they're not going to be running a tighter ship than everyone else already.

gimmegimme: Or don't you believe that the name on the front of the uniform means more than the name on the back?

There aren't any names on either side of their uniforms.

/pointless information


Well, that makes sense. If you want to be trusted to prevent child rape, you must first let it happen. Cool.

And JoePa said the thing about the names on the jerseys.
 
2012-07-13 01:33:52 PM

gimmegimme: Well, that makes sense. If you want to be trusted to prevent child rape, you must first let it happen. Cool.


If all organizations are corrupt (and they are), the one most likely to be clean for any length of time is the one that just got popped.
 
2012-07-13 01:33:52 PM
And lest we forget: The PSU athletic program is going to be paying a whole lot of money in settlements. And if you buy a ticket, make a contribution, or buy a PSU jersey, YOUR money is going to it. Consider how you spend your entertainment money this holiday season.

CSB: My aunt Norma is the most Catholic woman alive. Old school Italian family (her mom was an immigrant and wore a black dress for years before she passed on), no fish on fridays, the Popes word is absolute, the whole nine yards. I'm imagining that I would have had another ten cousins if my uncle hadn't been shooting blanks, but they did adopt. Through the RCC.

During the abuse settlements in the Chicago Diocese, she became uncomfortable with the notion of contributing cash to the church as she didn't want her money to go to settlements. Her compromise, and it doesn't seem to have been just her, was to find a cause that her church was supporting (in this case the renovation of a hospital), and donating directly to it in the form of very large home depot gift cards.

Penn Staters could take a lesson from this.
 
2012-07-13 01:36:53 PM

r0Be: Let Mark Emmert, NCAA president, know how you feel.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/NCAA+President/NCAA+P r esident+Mark+Emmert

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THANK YOU! :-)
 
2012-07-13 01:37:37 PM

IAmRight: gimmegimme: Well, that makes sense. If you want to be trusted to prevent child rape, you must first let it happen. Cool.

If all organizations are corrupt (and they are), the one most likely to be clean for any length of time is the one that just got popped.


Again, we're talking about degrees. Sure, Ohio State had "corruption" in terms of Pryor getting tattoos and accepting cash and cars. You're darn right that OSU Compliance is probably watching the players like a hawk.

But Penn State football folks committed and facilitated child rape on its premises. The administration of the college itself knew of the child rape and ignored it because of the status of the Penn State football program. Why shouldn't Penn State football have a time out? Penn State football was clearly the problem.

//Oh, by the way, serial child rape is way worse than getting a free tattoo or selling a pair of game-used gloves.
 
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