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(Detroit Free Press)   Penn State unlikely to receive "Death Penalty". I mean, it's not like players got free tattoos or a donor gave someone a car or anything... that would be far more serious   (freep.com ) divider line
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2012-07-13 11:14:24 AM  

IAmRight: A Fark Handle: that's in the freeh report. all four knew from 1998. why do you think a well respected national title winning defensive coordinator suddenly "retired" in 1999 at age 55 never to be mentioned as a candidate for another job. they told him to sit down, shut up, and stop doing that...

According to the Freeh report timeline, all of the reported rapes occurred after Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next head coach - he was told in February 1998, the initial report victim was molested in May 1998.


those monsters. if only they had let him be the head coach he never would have raped a single kid. that must have been the trigger.

fun fact: penn state also emergency hired sandusky back for the 1999 season after they knew about his "fun" with children. and they even let him bring a boy the alamo bowl at the end of the 1999 season. joepa and company let a man they knew to enjoy the rape young boys bring a boy to a bowl game!! what the fark? i mean i've heard of imports, but that's crossing a line.
 
2012-07-13 11:14:28 AM  

IAmRight: It has nothing to do with football or State College in particular. It has to do with large organizations, power, and generational differences in dealing with crises. At least, if you've ever worked with people or paid attention to any organizations it does.


Semantics. Football was and is the large powerful organization. People still appear to be more than willing to give football all the power over there and that's why it that powerful organization needs to be shut completely down for a while.
 
2012-07-13 11:14:31 AM  
I love football. Not enough to condone child rape. Penn State needs to lose its football program. It is the football program that allowed these atrocities to happen. Who knows maybe the talented players at Penn State will transfer to one of my local colleges.
 
2012-07-13 11:14:34 AM  

IAmRight: jbtilley: The program doesn't need the death penalty for anything the now fired/dead staff did wrong. They need the death penalty because it's clear from all the JoePa supporters that this kind of thing could easily happen again. The environment still hasn't changed over there. Football >>>> all else.

It has nothing to do with football or State College in particular. It has to do with large organizations, power, and generational differences in dealing with crises. At least, if you've ever worked with people or paid attention to any organizations it does.

Galloping Galoshes: Yet another reason to nuke the program.

They let OJ go free because of his NFL history, too! Better shut down the NFL! Famous people get lighter sentences than average people! Better shut down Hollywood!


Seriously? There were many factors that played into OJ's criminal verdict, and him being a former NFL star had nothing to do with it. Prosecution dropping the ball and the race issue were the only deciding factors.
 
2012-07-13 11:14:43 AM  
thepoliticalcarnival.net

A lot of people under his employ lost their jobs too
 
2012-07-13 11:14:48 AM  

thelordofcheese: meanmutton:

Corporations aren't people.

Sure they are!


I'll accept that they're people when Texas executes one. (I don't remember where I heard that.)
 
2012-07-13 11:14:58 AM  

Nickninja: So what you're saying is that because a few people farked up royally, that is justification for ruining the nfl chances of every player and practically bankrupting an entire town. The students had absolutely nothing to do with this and weren't even there. The town had no idea.

Destroy the leadership for sure. Everyone. Hell, make it so that all profit from football for X seasons goes to Y charity for the victims of child abuse. But to do so much collateral damage is not helping anything. It just brings more suffering to an area that's already mourning.


NFL chances wouldn't be ruined, they would have the opportunity to transfer to different schools that would extend to them the same scholarships as they had at PSU, based on performance. Correct, the students had nothing to do with this, but there are plenty of other things to do or support at PSU other than college football. The town will recover.

The leadership either has been destroyed or is in the process of being destroyed, the president's gone, the AD is about to leave (voluntarily or by force) and the criminal/civil charges are just beginning based on the Freeh report and the outcome of the Sandusky trial. It could be argued that profits from X seasons would be going to the victims of child abuse vis-a-vis the enormous civil suits that I'm sure are going to come shortly.

What the problem is here is the complete deference to the football program at the detriment of simple ethics and reason. PSU saw dollar signs, and as long as that gravy train is rolling they were going to sweep any possible derailments of that train away someplace deep. Seeing as damn near everyone on the football staff was in on it, and the coverup went all the way to the President's office and University Police, it seems to me to be a fitting punishment to permanently shut down that train. You can't replace enough people to change a culture overnight, even with something like this rattling the cage. You can look to Wall Street for confirmation of that.
 
2012-07-13 11:15:05 AM  

nmiguy: This isn't "punishing the whole University", the football program was the channel by which Sandusky lured victims an draped them. And the coach of that program allowed it to happen and covered it up. And the University president, vice-president and others allowed that to happen. The football program needs to be shut down for a while because it is dysfunctional and it allowed immoral and unethical behavior,. The rest of the University isn't "punished". Students will still get their education there. The focus on football is hurting the University as a whole. As for the players and new coach O'Brien, they will be able to play football somewhere else.

There can't be football at Penn State. How can you fill that stadium with students after what has happened? Supporting Penn State football is supporting the cover-up, and aiding and abetting a predator pedophile. AFTER 1998, when Sandusky "resigned" he came back with a new position of outreach for kids, he was put in close contact with kids at Second Mile. After he'd already been investigated for inappropriate behavior.

The University and the football program HELPED him abuse kids. And the MAIN reason why the program needs to be killed is precisely because of the culture problem at Happy Valley. Nobody did anything humane for those victims. JoPa is still a God there, football is more important than right and wrong. The culture there is still loyal to a liar and an enabler and a villain, and the priorities are screwed up. Until the football is taken away this learning institution will NOT learn the most important lesson from this tragedy. It is my opinion.


This X 1000.

It's a sports program, the university will move on and it sends a message to all schools that your football program is not more important than your students. The program is a gangrenous appendage that needs to be lopped off so the rest of the body (school) can continue on.
 
2012-07-13 11:16:12 AM  

Weigard: Removing the football program would crush the local economy. It's not worth ruining thousands of lives just to satisfy the moral outrage you'll have for the next four days.


The US leaving Vietnam caused financial hardships on defense contractors, and their employees, too.
 
2012-07-13 11:16:49 AM  

Weigard: Removing the football program would crush the local economy. It's not worth ruining thousands of lives just to satisfy the moral outrage you'll have for the next four days.


let them join everyone suing the college, then.
 
2012-07-13 11:17:03 AM  
The NCAA shouldn't have to shut down the program for a year. Penn State should be doing it voluntarily. PSU deserves everything it gets right now.


PSU's fans are trying to minimize JoePa's involvement, or claim that it has nothing to do with the football program, because this was just a "few bad apples." The fact that the school and its fans are "just trying to move past this" right now, and avoid more bad press, is disgusting. If they ever hope to regain their prestige, they HAVE to shut down the program for a year. Why? Because that's the only real, meaningful thing to do. JoePa and company enabled a child rapist for years to protect the football program. JoePa ruined his own legacy, and you can't - and shouldn't - try to protect it any more.

Now, PSU and its fans are out there trying to save the football program by minimizing the program's involvement, or saying "lets just get past this." And they're just demonstrating the cause of this problem to begin with - they all value protecting the Penn State "brand" over facing the music and doing what is right.

It's shocking to me the degree to which the football cult is integrated into the culture of PSU, and I can't believe how insanely strong the PSU fans have demonstrated their denial complex since the Freeh Report came out.
 
2012-07-13 11:17:03 AM  

jbtilley: IAmRight: It has nothing to do with football or State College in particular. It has to do with large organizations, power, and generational differences in dealing with crises. At least, if you've ever worked with people or paid attention to any organizations it does.

Semantics. Football was and is the large powerful organization. People still appear to be more than willing to give football all the power over there and that's why it that powerful organization needs to be shut completely down for a while.


How can the US maintain its standing of 47th in the world in math without college football?
 
2012-07-13 11:17:16 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: The mass murder, torture, and general repression of Bashar al-Assad's Syria has nothing to do with Al-Assad or Syria. It has to do with dictatorships, power, and how oppressive rulers deal with crises.

/so don't punish the current government and put out of work all the honest civil servants!


If you'd like me to draw out the allegory you're making:

The "government" in this situation has already been deposed. What people here are advocating is that we nuke Syria to the ground "to send a message." What I am suggesting is that the message has been quite sent. Do you think anyone really wants to see what has already happened happen to them? Like being fired and getting a decade in jail isn't enough of a deterrent, you have to punish a bunch of random bystanders just because?

Enron isn't an apt comparison - if Enron were capable of existing as an entity without the disgraced leaders, it would have been allowed to. The football program is capable of existing without their disgraced leaders.

I'd liken it more to Jack-in-the-Box. Remember how they had an e.coli outbreak that killed some customers? The institution was left on the brink of bankruptcy thanks to a lot of lawsuits and unpopularity when everyone found out, but were afforded the opportunity to turn it around and took that chance and went on to impose far more strict safety controls on themselves than the restaurant industry required.

What has already been done has tarnished the reputation of the program, has certainly cost it many recruits, and will probably come close to destroying the institution with lawsuit payments. I'd like to see them take the opportunity to help set an example with new leadership of how this will never happen again - and I highly doubt that anyone that saw first-hand how this went down is going to repeat the mistakes of their predecessors.
 
2012-07-13 11:17:23 AM  

IAmRight: I'm sorry, were the people on your side NOT claiming that because Penn State football had such a large fanbase and because those people had been afforded extra power due to their position in society as beloved entertainers, that it merited a more significant punishment of others not involved? Because that's exactly what I saw you arguing, and I showed how stupid that thought process is with those examples.


Yes I was, and no you didn't. Your example was too extreme and has no parallel to the PSU case. There was no relationship between the NFL and OJ at the time. His fame had its source in his NFL career, but his career was long over. He got off because of his fame, wealth, and his defense team, not because the NFL shielded his serial killings for 15 year. PSU WAS aware of what Sandusky was doing and did shield it, in order to protect the football program from embarrassment, possible loss of revenue, loss of recruits, etc.

The fact that we disagree doesn't mean one of us is stupid, it means that we're starting from different places, and we have different values. We are talking only about football, right?
 
2012-07-13 11:17:32 AM  

Weigard: Removing the football program would crush the local economy.


How? I'm a redneck in western PA. I've saved up my money to drive my beater to a PSU game. PSU football goes away. I guess my money goes poof too?

Study after study after study has shown that sports has absolutely no impact on a regional economy. The most it does is move the hot spots; for every restaurant that does well because of a local team, another one shuts down because no one goes there on Saturday nights anymore.

Broken window fallacy is broken.
 
2012-07-13 11:17:49 AM  

birchman: thecpt: Lost Thought 00: No, Penn State shouldn't receive the Death Penalty, but Penn State should be sued into oblivion by all the victims.

This, and also I wouldn't care if they get the axe or not, but I want them gone from the Big Ten. Now. The conference itself should do something and not wait for the entire NCAA to not do something. Which is what is going to happen.

Is that really being seriously considered or is it just wishful thinking by internet posters? I haven't really been following the conference news...


To be honest I don't know their status. I think they are awaiting for big daddy NCAA's help/decision so right now its just wishful thinking. But damnit, Big Ten fans are proud of their conference for standards that aren't just athletics. We know the programs aren't perfect, but we think they're better than the rest an we as fans don't deserve to have a black eye like this.

/grew up 15mi away from state college. Parents were UoM fans.
 
2012-07-13 11:18:21 AM  

SH: Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.


Punish an institution? .


yes. why is this so difficult to grasp? if we DON'T punish PSU football then we risk leaving intact a culture that looked the other way while someone was raping kids for over a decade. i'm one of those crazy people that thinks any organization that let a decade of kiddie rape go unpunished needs to be changed. And how does one change such a corrupt leadership culture? easy - you burn it down to the ground. No matter the cost, no matter the consequences...you destroy that organization and salt the earth where it once stood. Because if you don't destroy that sort of organization then you risk another scandal further down the road. And I don't want to take that sort of risk.
 
2012-07-13 11:18:43 AM  

Weaver95: its really weird sad seeing people come out of the woodwork to defend PSU football.


FTFY
 
2012-07-13 11:19:07 AM  

trappedspirit: nmiguy: trappedspirit: So football made him touch little boys? Does anything about college sports make the least bit of sense?

No it didn't MAKE him touch little boys, it LET him and it HELPED him RAPE little boys. No wonder it doesn't make sense, you don't seem to understand what happened.

Football helped him rape little boys? You were hoping to come across as sane with that statement?


Access to the football facilities helped him rape little boys. The blessing of the football leadership helped him rape little boys. The reflected glory of the football program helped him rape little boys.
 
2012-07-13 11:19:12 AM  

trappedspirit: nmiguy: trappedspirit: So football made him touch little boys? Does anything about college sports make the least bit of sense?

No it didn't MAKE him touch little boys, it LET him and it HELPED him RAPE little boys. No wonder it doesn't make sense, you don't seem to understand what happened.

Football helped him rape little boys? You were hoping to come across as sane with that statement?


PENN State football. yes. Stay with me here, you have READ the report right? Penn State Football meaning Paterno and his bosses allowed Sandusky to bring little boys on campus to showers to bowl games and they knew he was sodomizing them in the showers and they did NOTHING. They gave him the keys to the facility and basically gave him access to team showers for his rapes. Are you DIM? Do you know NOTHING about this story?
 
2012-07-13 11:19:35 AM  

SH: Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.


Punish an institution? Wouldn't this punish untold thousands of people who do the right thing and had zero to do with this?
Better idea: let's punish the people responsible.


Whatever they do here is going to set a strong precedent. If they don't lay the hammer down, it's basically going to send the message to every other football program that they can pretty much get away with anything they want, as long as they have a fall guy if they get caught. And people seem to forget that we're not talking about victimless violations like tattoos or free cars here, we're talking about more than a decade of young boys being repeatedly raped for Christ sake. If this coverup is not deserving of the harshest of punishments, what is?
 
2012-07-13 11:19:47 AM  

bulldg4life: And your explanation for the part where they say "I talked with Joe, and I don't feel comfortable with going to the police"? That statement is a figment of our imaginations?


That part is an even stronger indictment against the people who were ABOVE Paterno in the org chart. The athletic director and University Senior Vice President were perfectly free to ignore Paterno's wishes. They didn't. That's THEIR fault.
 
2012-07-13 11:20:04 AM  

Weaver95: we risk leaving intact a culture that looked the other way while someone was raping kids for over a decade.


I think you meant "leave in place", not "risk leaving in place". Also, what kind of example would that be to the other programs where football is just this side of religion?
 
2012-07-13 11:20:35 AM  

THX 1138: MugzyBrown: Yeah let's punish the whole university for the actions of a few men.

The whole university? Closing a sports program for actively covering up repeated cases of child rape is hardly going to be considered a unjust by the vast majority of students who are there for academic programs. You know, people who actually went to university to learn.


I went there and learned how to rape children then get others to cover it up for me. See? I'm learning.
 
2012-07-13 11:20:39 AM  

A Fark Handle: fun fact: penn state also emergency hired sandusky back for the 1999 season after they knew about his "fun" with children. and they even let him bring a boy the alamo bowl at the end of the 1999 season. joepa and company let a man they knew to enjoy the rape young boys bring a boy to a bowl game!!


Well, not that it's much better, but at that point the cops had told them "hey, there's no problem with hugging boys naked in the shower, so he can do whatever," and there was no knowledge of any raping occurring.

Slam Dunkz: your football program is not more important than your students.


No one said they were more important than their students. No PSU students were raped by Sandusky that we know of.
 
2012-07-13 11:21:20 AM  

Bunny Deville: So basically what many of you are saying is that innocent children were hurt, so let'd devastate the economy of Happy Valley and hurt a bunch more kids.

I am just as disgusted by what happened at Penn State as you are. Probably more so, since I am a mom, and my husband's dad is a coach who knew JoePa. My daughter grew up wearing Nittany Lion shirts. Her godfather went to Penn State. This situation at PSU sickens and frightens me, but it's not fair or right to punish an entire college and an entire town for the actions of a few sick farkazoids.

Throw everyone associated with the coverup in jail. You know what will happen there. Leave the football players, students, alumni, and Happy Valley out of it.


The "too big to fail" argument is a lousy argument.
 
2012-07-13 11:21:24 AM  

birchman: SH: Weaver95: i'm sorry but PSU needs to have it's football program completely shut down. THAT should be the Paterno legacy. that school needs a time out.


Punish an institution? Wouldn't this punish untold thousands of people who do the right thing and had zero to do with this?
Better idea: let's punish the people responsible.

Whatever they do here is going to set a strong precedent. If they don't lay the hammer down, it's basically going to send the message to every other football program that they can pretty much get away with anything they want, as long as they have a fall guy if they get caught. And people seem to forget that we're not talking about victimless violations like tattoos or free cars here, we're talking about more than a decade of young boys being repeatedly raped for Christ sake. If this coverup is not deserving of the harshest of punishments, what is?


not only that, but the NCAA is going to have a very bad credibility problem if they let PSU off the hook. smack down one college for free cars but let PSU get away with over a decade of kiddie rape? oh I don't think THAT will go over very well.
 
2012-07-13 11:21:53 AM  
EVERY TIME A FOOTBALL TEAM IS PUNISHED it's "unfair" because most of the people being punished weren't involved at all. Ohio State can't be in a bowl game this year because kids got free tattoos and our coach didn't reoprt it. How is that the current teams' fault? How is that the current coach's fault? IT'S NOT. It's not their fault. But that's how it works. If your PROGRAM does something wrong, the PROGRAM gets punished.

The PROGRAM benefitted from covering this up. They quietly let Sandusky go and recruiting wasn't hurt. If this would've come out when it originally happened, this program would be in a totally different place right now. I doubt Paterno would've been kept around after the scandal, he would've be the most winningest coach in history, etc, etc.

The PROGRAM needs to be punished. Yes, it sucks for the students and businesses that depend on the football program, but if you set a precedent that you can commit absolutely horrendous things like this without your program being punished, no good can come of that.
 
2012-07-13 11:22:14 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: we risk leaving intact a culture that looked the other way while someone was raping kids for over a decade.

I think you meant "leave in place", not "risk leaving in place". Also, what kind of example would that be to the other programs where football is just this side of religion?


I was on a roll and didn't stop to edit.
 
2012-07-13 11:22:19 AM  

IAmRight: Enron isn't an apt comparison - if Enron were capable of existing as an entity without the disgraced leaders, it would have been allowed to. The football program is capable of existing without their disgraced leaders.


...except these disgraced leaders weren't limited to the football program. The school isn't a victim. They were taking tainted money with full knowledge of people in charge.
 
2012-07-13 11:22:22 AM  

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Fooball, is, the DEBIL!

 
2012-07-13 11:22:23 AM  

IXI Jim IXI: Weaver95: its really weird seeing people come out of the woodwork to defend PSU football.

NAMBLA is sponsoring a lot of TF memberships this month...



Cold... Very cold.

/I chuckled, though.
 
2012-07-13 11:23:18 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: There was no relationship between the NFL and OJ at the time.


There is no relationship between Penn State and Jerry Sandusky right now. So your point is...?

Galloping Galoshes: not because the NFL shielded his serial killings for 15 year.


Just as no one at Penn State currently, especially not any of the football players, shielded Sandusky.
 
2012-07-13 11:23:21 AM  
By the way, the fact that IAmRight is arguing against the death penalty here just confirms to me that the death penalty is the right outcome.
 
2012-07-13 11:23:35 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: jbtilley: IAmRight: It has nothing to do with football or State College in particular. It has to do with large organizations, power, and generational differences in dealing with crises. At least, if you've ever worked with people or paid attention to any organizations it does.

Semantics. Football was and is the large powerful organization. People still appear to be more than willing to give football all the power over there and that's why it that powerful organization needs to be shut completely down for a while.

How can the US maintain its standing of 47th in the world in math without college football?


Calculators!!!

/Abacuses?
 
2012-07-13 11:24:02 AM  
Gotta keep that cash comin' in for reference see the Roman Catholic Church

in other news-
to colleges already on probation that commit another major violation.

I don't know about you but if memory serves me well weren't there ten kids he abused? So, isn't that ten violations?

Whole thing is sickening and I can usually see the good somewhere, but this? . . . no
 
2012-07-13 11:24:56 AM  

bulldg4life:

I would assume the next program that finds one of their assistant coaches anal f*cking a little kid won't cover it up for 15 years.


No, they'll quietly fire the guy and hope it's covered up forever.

/That's the way it works in academia.
 
2012-07-13 11:25:37 AM  

cfreak: The culture was football above all else and that is why they deserve the death penalty.

 
2012-07-13 11:26:04 AM  

homeschooled:
The PROGRAM needs to be punished. Yes, it sucks for the students and businesses that depend on the football program, but if you set a precedent that you can commit absolutely horrendous things like this without your program being punished, no good can come of that.


but we have a significant minority of people right here in this thread saying that the program ISN'T responsible and SHOULDN'T be punished. I find that...strange.

it's just really really weird to see people defending PSU in all this. to my mind, that university football program needs to be severely sanctioned, possibly shut down completely. anything less would essentially be saying to the world 'hey,go ahead and do whatever...you're too big to fail so just try not to get caught'. look - PSU got caught covering up over a decade of kiddie rape. if we can't even do the right thing and shut 'em down for that, what sort of chance does society at large have? this is as clear cut as it gets folks.
 
2012-07-13 11:26:06 AM  

Weigard: Removing the football program would crush the local economy. It's not worth ruining thousands of lives just to satisfy the moral outrage you'll have for the next four days.


Any institution that feels their reputation is more important than stopping child rape needs to be burned to the ground so it doesn't happen again somewhere else. Nothing can undo what happened, but what happens now can prevent this from happening again. Will it affect innocent people, yes, life's not always fair. Will it also protect innocent people in the future, absolutely.
 
2012-07-13 11:26:17 AM  

IAmRight:

Slam Dunkz: your football program is not more important than your students.

No one said they were more important than their students. No PSU students were raped by Sandusky that we know of.


Don't be dim. This entire fiasco affects the students learning at PSU. The school exists for EDUCATION, not sports. Sports are a nice-to-have and if it is shown that the sports program is enabling the raping of children is should be removed. It really is that simple.

Your name is quite ironic.
 
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2012-07-13 11:26:19 AM  

steamingpile: And its unlikely to ever be used again since even the NCAA admits the over estimated its effect.


Except that it's been used twice since then.

And SMU compounded their one year death penalty with a self-imposed extra year.
 
2012-07-13 11:26:22 AM  

Weaver95: not only that, but the NCAA is going to have a very bad credibility problem if they let PSU off the hook. smack down one college for free cars but let PSU get away with over a decade of kiddie rape? oh I don't think THAT will go over very well.


In five years this will all have blown over. In twenty it will be an answer to trivia questions on "The Ocho"
 
2012-07-13 11:27:54 AM  

fireclown: Weaver95: not only that, but the NCAA is going to have a very bad credibility problem if they let PSU off the hook. smack down one college for free cars but let PSU get away with over a decade of kiddie rape? oh I don't think THAT will go over very well.

In five years this will all have blown over. In twenty it will be an answer to trivia questions on "The Ocho"


I don't think so.
 
2012-07-13 11:28:17 AM  

PowerSlacker: By the way, the fact that IAmRight is arguing against the death penalty here just confirms to me that the death penalty is the right outcome.


So you agree with freep.

Slam Dunkz: The school exists for EDUCATION, not sports


Who says the two are mutually exclusive? People who aren't good at either?
 
2012-07-13 11:28:51 AM  
Why not let the football program keep running BUT 25% of all revenue brought in by it for the rest of time goes to charities that deal with child abuse?

NCAA appoints an independent auditor that checks their books & this can never be repealed. If they don't want to do that, then burn it to the ground. I think this covers both aspects. It doesn't punish the athletes but it does extract an amount of payback.
And the millions it will generate for charity will help far more than just killing off the program.
 
2012-07-13 11:28:57 AM  

IAmRight: Galloping Galoshes: There's always collateral damage. That's one of the things that is supposed to encourage people not to do bad things.

This argument sounds great. I suppose you hope for as much collateral damage as possible in war, too, to "send a message" to the leaders. The more civilians that get killed, the better, because it sends more of a message.


That Argument helped general Sherman win the Civil war and the US to win WWII, ask the residents of Dresden, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki

putting a head on a spike as a warning to every NCAA athletic prgram in the country that their SPORTS are never more importnat than protecting a CHILD from being RAPED, seems the goddamn least the NCAA can do. They Prattle on about instilling character in student atheletes and high moral standards, well now its time for money and mouth to meet.
 
2012-07-13 11:29:07 AM  
Basically proving my originally posted point that organized sport is corrupt and should be banned. You can't regulate it.
It's like anything else.
I commit a crime, I get tossed in jail.
I steal money, I go to jail. I rape a child, I go to Jail.
But if I'm a banker and I steal money, we investigate, and call for regulations. I walk.
And If I'm a coach, and I rape a child, we might investigate, if it leaks, and maybe I go to jail, but those who covered up for me have a big meeting and an investigation and say "it's time for us to begin the healing process" and keep playing Ball, because that is what education is all about. It's about football.
And raping kids.
 
2012-07-13 11:29:15 AM  

Tickle Mittens: They used the Penn State football program, and facilities to set up a corporation that existed to find and facilitate the rape of under privillaged children.


I'd like to know more about that shady real estate deal between Penn State and the Second Mile, the consideration of which was the exact amount of the unusual go-away money they gave Sandusky on his way out.
 
2012-07-13 11:29:16 AM  

Bunny Deville: So basically what many of you are saying is that innocent children were hurt, so let'd devastate the economy of Happy Valley and hurt a bunch more kids.

I am just as disgusted by what happened at Penn State as you are. Probably more so, since I am a mom, and my husband's dad is a coach who knew JoePa. My daughter grew up wearing Nittany Lion shirts. Her godfather went to Penn State. This situation at PSU sickens and frightens me, but it's not fair or right to punish an entire college and an entire town for the actions of a few sick farkazoids.

Throw everyone associated with the coverup in jail. You know what will happen there. Leave the football players, students, alumni, and Happy Valley out of it.


Yes, and if you're dependant on a criminal enterprise for your livelyhood, maybe you should consider diversifying your income sources. The people of Happy Valley invited this unto themselves. The people who participated in the cult of Joe Pa lent the will necessary for this to take place. You had a hand in this. It was small, but it was yours. The community involved lacked the necessary integrity to stand up and proclaim, "No, it is unacceptable to set up a corporation, and use Penn State facilities to enable the rape of children." Here you are defending that after the fact; patting the NCAA on the back as they equivocate, "You know children can't be un-raped, and it's not like players got free pedobear jackets...." If there are blameless devestated in the wake of accountability, the prehaps the NCAA can make them whole to atone for it's failings. Perhaps the university's endowment can begin to address the wrongs. Perhaps the participants who elevated a less than benevolant man to autocracy of a football fiefdom can just suck it up, and acknowledge their role.

The next time someone helps you when you're in trouble. Think on the fact that doing the right thing usually isn't that hard, it's just harder than doing nothing.
 
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