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(Townhall)   Obamacare was based on the fraudulent premise that we have almost 50 million Americans without health insurance and that this is tantamount to a lack of access to health care. The facts should help dispel this pernicious propaganda   (townhall.com) divider line 117
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2012-07-13 09:18:01 AM  
Facts? In a TownHall link?
Not happening.
 
2012-07-13 09:20:45 AM  

SilentStrider: Facts? In a TownHall link?
Not happening.


Came in here for this. Leaving now.
 
2012-07-13 09:30:28 AM  

David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics who writes engaging columns from a fresh, conservative point of view. David Limbaugh was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo., on Dec. 11, 1952. David Limbaugh attended Southeast Missouri State University from 1971 to 1972 and the University of Missouri for the next three years,


Yes. That seems sane.
 
2012-07-13 09:31:17 AM  
Really? You're going to pretend everyone has health care? That's all you've got Townhall? I didn't realize you were so badly beaten on health care arguments that you've fallen to this.
 
2012-07-13 09:33:07 AM  
If it's so horrible, then the GOP has a lot of explaining to do. After all, it was their plan to begin with.
 
2012-07-13 09:46:48 AM  
Yay, Freeper Friday!!!!
 
2012-07-13 09:47:56 AM  
0bama[doesnt]care was based on the lie that poor people don't have very much money. They have refrigerators, they have hair extensions, they have those fancy pierced nails. But they don't have health insurance because they're poor? Obviously a lie. They don't have health insurance because they're lazy. And N0bamaNocry is nothing more than a federally funded grabber arm paid for with the sweat off real Americans' backs.
 
2012-07-13 09:49:50 AM  
The ER should be good enough for anyone. -Bill Gates
 
2012-07-13 09:49:52 AM  
I'm assuming that one of their "facts" is that everyone has access to the ER. If that is the case, they are hilariously wrong about how that works.
 
2012-07-13 09:50:22 AM  

sprawl15: N0bamaNocry


I love you so much right now.
 
2012-07-13 09:51:19 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics who writes engaging columns from a fresh, conservative point of view. David Limbaugh was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo., on Dec. 11, 1952. David Limbaugh attended Southeast Missouri State University from 1971 to 1972 and the University of Missouri for the next three years,

Yes. That seems sane.


These are the people considered current by the GOP. The ones born in the 50's.

/outdated you say? oh heavens no.
 
2012-07-13 09:51:48 AM  
I'm going to wait and see what PillCo and Tenpoundsofjizz have to say about this.
 
2012-07-13 09:52:51 AM  

sprawl15: 0bama[doesnt]care was based on the lie that poor people don't have very much money. They have refrigerators, they have hair extensions, they have those fancy pierced nails. But they don't have health insurance because they're poor? Obviously a lie. They don't have health insurance because they're lazy. And N0bamaNocry is nothing more than a federally funded grabber arm paid for with the sweat off real Americans' backs.


I remember
when we used to sit
in a gubbament yard
in Nairobi
 
2012-07-13 09:53:06 AM  
we have almost 50 million Americans without health insurance...

...In fact, millions included in that number are illegals


Then they wouldn have been counted in the number of Americans without insurance, would they?

Beyond this glaring hole in the author's logic, I pretty much skimmed the rest of the article. Were there citations for any numbers given in the rest of the argument? I just couldn't bring myself to keep reading.
 
2012-07-13 09:53:13 AM  
The Republican solution to every problem is to pretend it doesn't exist.
 
2012-07-13 09:53:27 AM  
Also, without reading the article, I'm presuming that the author of this dreck is assuming that going to the ER is tantamount to healthcare? Anyone who is willing to give these dipshiats a click wanna find out for me?
 
2012-07-13 09:53:52 AM  
Depends on how you define "Facts" are we talking objective stats that can be proven or more like the GOP "facts that feel right"
 
2012-07-13 09:54:07 AM  

sprawl15: 0bama[doesnt]care was based on the lie that poor people don't have very much money. They have refrigerators, they have hair extensions, they have those fancy pierced nails. But they don't have health insurance because they're poor? Obviously a lie. They don't have health insurance because they're lazy. And N0bamaNocry is nothing more than a federally funded grabber arm paid for with the sweat off real Americans' backs.


NObamaNocry is one of my favorite Bob Marley songs.
 
2012-07-13 09:54:14 AM  
Its also built on the premise that the budget problems in this country are a health care problem.
 
2012-07-13 09:56:00 AM  
wat
 
2012-07-13 09:56:06 AM  
David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics who writes engaging columns from a fresh, conservative point of view. David Limbaugh was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo., on Dec. 11, 1952. David Limbaugh attended Southeast Missouri State University from 1971 to 1972 and the University of Missouri for the next three years,

He's an "expert" in law and politics who didn't graduate college?
 
2012-07-13 09:56:44 AM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend everyone has health care? That's all you've got Townhall? I didn't realize you were so badly beaten on health care arguments that you've fallen to this.


What, fallen to lying? Its Townhall. All they do is lie.
 
2012-07-13 09:57:08 AM  
Townhall needs to borrow Obama's time machine so they can back date their rage to Romneycare and the Clinton-era GOP healthcare plans.
 
2012-07-13 09:58:01 AM  
Then why did Romney enact it in Massachusetts?
 
2012-07-13 09:58:06 AM  

exick: David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics who writes engaging columns from a fresh, conservative point of view. David Limbaugh was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo., on Dec. 11, 1952. David Limbaugh attended Southeast Missouri State University from 1971 to 1972 and the University of Missouri for the next three years,

He's an "expert" in law and politics who didn't graduate college?


Neither did Frank Abagnale Jr. and he was a doctor, lawyer and pilot!
 
2012-07-13 09:58:22 AM  

bartink: Its also built on the premise that the budget problems in this country are a health care problem.


I though they thought denying health care was a jobs problem, was I wrong?
 
2012-07-13 09:58:31 AM  
So if you don't have insurance, you are not really an American?
 
2012-07-13 10:00:24 AM  

exick: He's an "expert" in law and politics who didn't graduate college?


Yeah, that's what the article made it look like, however he did graduate and then went to law school--according to Wiki. That being said, just because you graduated law school and work as an attorney, that does not make you an expert in the "law". I don't think any attorney claims to be an expert in the "law". They may claim being an expert in family law, tax law, administrative law, immigration law, etc. That's like saying one is an expert in medicine.
 
2012-07-13 10:00:29 AM  
I'm going to stop posting in Townhall links. It only encourages more links.

I will use my posting for good and not stupid.
 
2012-07-13 10:00:32 AM  
Fark you Townlavatory. I'm one of uninsurable people (flat feet + min dose of simvistatin = uninsurable => fark you Anthem) with an uninsurable wife whose small business does not offer a group insurance plan, who would rather not have to deal with private insurance, on state insurance I pay for, who would most likely benefit from holding my nose, biting the bullet and using the exchange to get private insurance.

/bitter
 
2012-07-13 10:00:56 AM  

TommyDeuce: bartink: Its also built on the premise that the budget problems in this country are a health care problem.

I though they thought denying health care was a jobs problem, was I wrong?


I don't know what that means.
 
2012-07-13 10:01:01 AM  
"millions are only uninsured for short periods of time"

The awesome thing is that no one gets hurt or sick while they are between employer-based healthcare options, so I see his point.
 
2012-07-13 10:01:06 AM  
The facts should....

You almost had me.
 
2012-07-13 10:01:22 AM  

rev. dave: So if you don't have insurance, you are not really an American?


No, now you're a victim! Of Obama's tax kabuki theater! Because before responsibility was the catch word of the 20th century, now it's freedom! Freedom from responsibility no less!
 
2012-07-13 10:02:13 AM  

Polyhazard: "millions are only uninsured for short periods of time"

The awesome thing is that no one gets hurt or sick while they are between employer-based healthcare options, so I see his point.


A chronic pre-existing condition is only chronic if you use chronic, lib. Amirite?
 
2012-07-13 10:02:17 AM  
Premise of argument: REJECTED
 
2012-07-13 10:02:24 AM  
Obamacare was based on the fraudulent premise that we have almost 50 million Americans without health insurance and that this is tantamount to a lack of access to health care. The facts should help dispel this pernicious propaganda.

So, you're saying that we don't have 50 million people who don't have health insurance?

In fact, millions included in that number are illegals; millions are young people in good health who can afford but choose not to purchase health care (the "young invincibles") -- as many as 18 million; millions are eligible for government assistance and don't avail themselves of it; and millions are only uninsured for short periods of time.

... oh. You're saying those 50 million don't count.

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2012-07-13 10:03:31 AM  

coeyagi: exick: David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics who writes engaging columns from a fresh, conservative point of view. David Limbaugh was born in Cape Girardeau, Mo., on Dec. 11, 1952. David Limbaugh attended Southeast Missouri State University from 1971 to 1972 and the University of Missouri for the next three years,

He's an "expert" in law and politics who didn't graduate college?

Neither did Frank Abagnale Jr. and he was a doctor, lawyer and pilot!


Neither did this guy...

susiemadrak.com
 
2012-07-13 10:04:20 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: If it's so horrible, then the GOP has a lot of explaining to do. After all, it was their plan to begin with.


They proposed it in the 90's, then Bush fixed everything. Mission Accomplished.
 
2012-07-13 10:05:22 AM  

sprawl15: 0bama[doesnt]care


lol
 
2012-07-13 10:05:58 AM  
(Selects bait; casts from FARK boat...)

Look, if I wreck my car, there is no free car ER!
 
2012-07-13 10:06:03 AM  

NeverDrunk23: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend everyone has health care? That's all you've got Townhall? I didn't realize you were so badly beaten on health care arguments that you've fallen to this.

What, fallen to lying? Its Townhall. All they do is lie.


Yeah, but this is a really terrible lie.
 
2012-07-13 10:06:06 AM  
Good luck with this.

I am amazed they can even find the feathers left from this particular chicken...
 
2012-07-13 10:07:05 AM  
DNRTFA, but came here for the "Poor" Americans image.

/leaving disappointed
 
2012-07-13 10:07:56 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: David Limbaugh


Ah. OK. Thanks for saving me a click.
 
2012-07-13 10:07:57 AM  

exick: He's an "expert" in law and politics who didn't graduate college?


Do you have a problem with that? College degrees are a brand that marks you as one of them elitist liberal pansies that use things like facts and reality in every day life. There is no room for that in the current GOP party or in the lives of the people that call themselves Republicans. He went to college long enough to study the enemy, figure out how they think and realized that he didn't need all this incomprehensible learning crap when he can just easily state that he is "an expert in law and politics" at random on the web.

Hell, he probably has a very lovely law degree done in crayon and magic marker hanging on his wall because he doesn't need a fake degree made by those fancy communist printers with their socialist cables and their lieberal designed user interfaces that are so confusing and intimidating for a guy born in 1952 and just trying to ride his equally dimwitted yet far more talkative brother's coattails.

Oh, and he realized he could do even better by name-dropping his brother. Nothing like some nice sloppy-seconds from all the hot dittohead action out there.
 
2012-07-13 10:08:32 AM  
The facts should help dispel this pernicious propaganda

Reverse "fact" and "propaganda" and you've got a truthful statement! Congratulations, teabaggers. You're getting closer.
 
2012-07-13 10:10:23 AM  
No, it was based on the premises that those without health care cause inefficiencies in the provision of health care by acting as free riders who get health care without paying, forcing those with health care to pay for them, that they sometimes wait too late to get treatment due to lack of coverage, causing illnesses that can be simply treated initially to balloon into more costly and complicated to treat illnesses, which others have to pay for, that they sometimes put everyone 's health at risk by acting as vectors for communicable diseases when they forego treatment due to lack of coverage, and that, sometimes, due to lack of medical care, they die, (estimates are 50,000/yr) which act as a drain on the economy when they are well-trained and/or educated individuals.
 
2012-07-13 10:10:40 AM  
Obamacare was based on the fraudulent premise that we have almost 50 million Americans without health insurance and that this is tantamount to a lack of access to health care. The facts should help dispel this pernicious propaganda Romneycare.
 
2012-07-13 10:11:24 AM  

Serious Black: I'm assuming that one of their "facts" is that everyone has access to the ER. If that is the case, they are hilariously wrong about how that works.


No, their arguments is that "out of the 50 million, millions are illegal, millions are healthy and choosing not to buy insurance, only about 8 million are truly poor and can't buy insurance".

I'm not sure of all the fact, here is a census breakdown (start at page 23) http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf looks like about 9 million are foreign non citizens, this does NOT mean they are illegal though. About 20 million are over the age of 35, past the age one could argue are young and don't need insurance. I'm sure you can find other facts in there if you look.
 
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