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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP to Romney: Seriously, I think the Democrats have a point   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 89
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2012-07-13 09:30:22 AM  
Romney seems very scared of those tax returns. I very much doubt he's broken any laws....but I'm also fairly sure he's probably used every trick in the book to reduce his tax burden to the lowest possible rate.

it's interesting to watch. this is probably the first time in his life that Romney's ever been put on the spot.
 
2012-07-13 09:30:40 AM  
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2012-07-13 09:34:12 AM  
I really don't care about Mitt's finances. Even if there is a problem, that's probably between 25th and 30th in terms of reasons not to vote for him.
 
2012-07-13 09:35:16 AM  
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2012-07-13 09:37:20 AM  
Those attacks are obviously as effective as I hoped. Of course, given that the DNC is making them, that they are effective is surprising.
 
2012-07-13 09:40:40 AM  
It's time to let the sunshine in. Mitt, release your past tax records. Barack, release your college transcripts and the disputed F&F documents. The American people deserve transparency. This is a non-partisan challenge for both of you to come clean.

If only one candidate comes clean, he can bludgeon the other over his evasiveness. If neither comes clean, we know it's just the same old bullshiat politics as usual. If both come clean, America will be better able to decide who is most able to lead our country.

So how bout it guys? Let the truth come out. What have you got to hide?
 
2012-07-13 09:41:43 AM  
And it had better be the long-form tax returns.
 
2012-07-13 09:42:26 AM  

Serious Black: [unrealitymag.com image 400x320]


Seriously. I was shocked to see a hint of consistency from the GOP.
 
2012-07-13 09:42:31 AM  

Il Douchey: It's time to let the sunshine in. Mitt, release your past tax records. Barack, release your college transcripts and the disputed F&F documents. The American people deserve transparency. This is a non-partisan challenge for both of you to come clean.

If only one candidate comes clean, he can bludgeon the other over his evasiveness. If neither comes clean, we know it's just the same old bullshiat politics as usual. If both come clean, America will be better able to decide who is most able to lead our country.

So how bout it guys? Let the truth come out. What have you got to hide?


I'm sure you are as eager to see Romney's college transcripts right? What about Romney's long form birth certificate?
 
2012-07-13 09:42:49 AM  

Il Douchey: Barack, release your college transcripts


Then Mitt will release his as well? Seriously?
 
2012-07-13 09:43:33 AM  

Il Douchey: It's time to let the sunshine in. Mitt, release your past tax records. Barack, release your college transcripts


So, you want Mitt to release records that every presidential candidate has done since his father ran, which you think is equal to Barack releasing records that no presidential candidate has ever done.

Seems fair.
 
2012-07-13 09:43:35 AM  
So I guess the conservsative talking point for today is that if the public wants to see Mitt's tax returns obama will have to release a bunch of unrelated documents himself, even thouhg he already released his tax returns? got it.
 
2012-07-13 09:44:23 AM  
We are about to find out that Romney has more money than God......and better hair.
 
2012-07-13 09:45:08 AM  
And make sure he releases the long-form returns...
 
2012-07-13 09:45:46 AM  

karnal: We are about to find out that Romney has more money than God......and better hair.


Why is Mitt so afraid of us finding that out?
 
2012-07-13 09:46:31 AM  
What is he hiding? A tax deduction for a nuclear-powered dildo for Anne?
 
2012-07-13 09:47:13 AM  
When will Obama release his long-form book manuscript?
 
2012-07-13 09:47:46 AM  

amiable: So I guess the conservsative talking point for today is that if the public wants to see Mitt's tax returns obama will have to release a bunch of unrelated documents himself, even thouhg he already released his tax returns? got it.


He will have to release his father's tax returns. To prove that he didn't make the Indonesian dog dinner a business related expense.
 
2012-07-13 09:48:26 AM  

kronicfeld: When will Obama release his long-form book manuscript?


When will Obama release his long-form love letters to assorted white women?
 
2012-07-13 09:48:41 AM  

Weaver95: Romney seems very scared of those tax returns. I very much doubt he's broken any laws....but I'm also fairly sure he's probably used every trick in the book to reduce his tax burden to the lowest possible rate.

it's interesting to watch. this is probably the first time in his life that Romney's ever been put on the spot.


The problem for him is the more he looks like rich Washington elite, the more likely the Tea Party is to stay home on election day. An excellent Dem strategy is to further poison the relation between Romney and the Santorum/Gingrich voters.
 
2012-07-13 09:49:44 AM  

ha-ha-guy: The problem for him is the more he looks like rich Washington elite, the more likely the Tea Party is to stay home on election day. An excellent Dem strategy is to further poison the relation between Romney and the Santorum/Gingrich voters.


Does the Tea Party even exist anymore?
 
2012-07-13 09:51:02 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Il Douchey: It's time to let the sunshine in. Mitt, release your past tax records. Barack, release your college transcripts

So, you want Mitt to release records that every presidential candidate has done since his father ran, which you think is equal to Barack releasing records that no presidential candidate has ever done.

Seems fair.


Yeah. Just like how if we want Mitt to talk about his time at Bain in 2000 Obama has to learn penis puppetry.
 
2012-07-13 09:51:16 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Weaver95: Romney seems very scared of those tax returns. I very much doubt he's broken any laws....but I'm also fairly sure he's probably used every trick in the book to reduce his tax burden to the lowest possible rate.

it's interesting to watch. this is probably the first time in his life that Romney's ever been put on the spot.

The problem for him is the more he looks like rich Washington elite, the more likely the Tea Party is to stay home on election day. An excellent Dem strategy is to further poison the relation between Romney and the Santorum/Gingrich voters.


And the timing is good for the Democrats. Making the Romney camp a bit more worried about shoring up the base at the time they are selecting the VP candidate works in the Democrats favor.
 
2012-07-13 09:59:38 AM  
The only thing I think that he has to "hide" and it's not that he's rich, we all get it, he's rich, is that he used the money to buy churches.

I'll bet dude has had at least a dozen temples built all over the world.

And he knows that that fact alone creeps people out.
 
2012-07-13 09:59:55 AM  
seriously - nothing is going to happen to Romney over the whole tax return thing. Worst case, he amends his tax returns and says its all a socialist gubbermint plot to keep hm out of office. the freepers will love it, the teabaggers will close ranks around him and life goes on.

he should man up and release his returns. NOTHING is going to come of it.
 
2012-07-13 10:03:16 AM  

Wyalt Derp: And it had better be the long-form tax returns.


Something tells me that Mittler and his accountant weren't filing any 1080EZ forms.
 
2012-07-13 10:04:44 AM  
They're right to push Romney. This issue gets worse for him and the GOP every day. He's going to have to release them, and he's going to take a hit when he does. Delays just mean he takes the hit closer to election day. If he had released them 6 months ago, people would be tired of talking about them by now.
 
2012-07-13 10:06:20 AM  

Weaver95: seriously - nothing is going to happen to Romney over the whole tax return thing. Worst case, he amends his tax returns and says its all a socialist gubbermint plot to keep hm out of office. the freepers will love it, the teabaggers will close ranks around him and life goes on.

he should man up and release his returns. NOTHING is going to come of it.


And Obama will continue to use the graphic that has check marks in the last 10 years with Romney having one checkmark.
 
2012-07-13 10:06:38 AM  
I doubt the tax filings will show anything illegal. I think he's probably more worried that it will hurt his message that the rich already pay their fair share of taxes. Through loopholes and different types of income, he'll probably end up paying a lower percentage than the middle class.

If the only thing he's worried about is being a bit embarrassed, he needs to just release them now and let the whole thing blow over. If it's done now, it will be old news by November. If it happens in October, it will be even more detrimental.
 
2012-07-13 10:08:52 AM  

Weaver95: seriously - nothing is going to happen to Romney over the whole tax return thing. Worst case, he amends his tax returns and says its all a socialist gubbermint plot to keep hm out of office. the freepers will love it, the teabaggers will close ranks around him and life goes on.

he should man up and release his returns. NOTHING is going to come of it.


Assuming he used every trick to pay a lower tax rate than middle class voters for his whole adult life, it makes it harder for him to argue against ending the Bush Tax Cuts. Obama will heavily use the returns in the debate, putting Romney in a pretty awkward spot on national TV.
 
2012-07-13 10:09:20 AM  

Weaver95: Romney seems very scared of those tax returns. I very much doubt he's broken any laws....but I'm also fairly sure he's probably used every trick in the book to reduce his tax burden to the lowest possible rate.

it's interesting to watch. this is probably the first time in his life that Romney's ever been put on the spot.


Do did Obama. So does every person with a tax accountant. The IRS is smarter than you, very much so. They are liable for making sure he didn't break laws, not you. How many years did Obama release in 2008? You just want the records so you can try and lie about him being a felon like the left is right now. It is petty when there are still records Obama has not released. Grow up.
 
2012-07-13 10:09:22 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: karnal: We are about to find out that Romney has more money than God......and better hair.

Why is Mitt so afraid of us finding that out?


I suspect that it's less about how much, but what he's invested in.
 
2012-07-13 10:09:27 AM  
His father released 12 years of tax turns when he ran for Governor and said that not releasing so many years was an attempt to hide things, "[releasing] one year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show". Link
 
2012-07-13 10:10:46 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: seriously - nothing is going to happen to Romney over the whole tax return thing. Worst case, he amends his tax returns and says its all a socialist gubbermint plot to keep hm out of office. the freepers will love it, the teabaggers will close ranks around him and life goes on.

he should man up and release his returns. NOTHING is going to come of it.

And Obama will continue to use the graphic that has check marks in the last 10 years with Romney having one checkmark.


the only reason this is even an issue is because Romney looks like he's hiding something. So ok - we know that even if Romney cheated on his taxes, nothing bad is going to happen to him for admitting to it. so why is he hiding his tax returns? the only thing I can think of is that Romney is simply being obstinate. I think he's mad as hell about commoners pawing his tax returns and second guessing his fiscal decisions. He doesn't WANT to give out that information because he doesn't like people knowing what he does with his money and he DAMN sure doesn't like people judging his lifestyle.

problem is...when you run for public office, all that gets put on the table. you don't get to hide anything anymore. that's part of the process.
 
2012-07-13 10:12:02 AM  

MyRandomName: Weaver95: Romney seems very scared of those tax returns. I very much doubt he's broken any laws....but I'm also fairly sure he's probably used every trick in the book to reduce his tax burden to the lowest possible rate.

it's interesting to watch. this is probably the first time in his life that Romney's ever been put on the spot.

Do did Obama. So does every person with a tax accountant. The IRS is smarter than you, very much so. They are liable for making sure he didn't break laws, not you. How many years did Obama release in 2008? You just want the records so you can try and lie about him being a felon like the left is right now. It is petty when there are still records Obama has not released. Grow up.


WTF are you talking about...?
 
2012-07-13 10:18:38 AM  

Weaver95: the only reason this is even an issue is because Romney looks like he's hiding something. So ok - we know that even if Romney cheated on his taxes, nothing bad is going to happen to him for admitting to it. so why is he hiding his tax returns? the only thing I can think of is that Romney is simply being obstinate. I think he's mad as hell about commoners pawing his tax returns and second guessing his fiscal decisions. He doesn't WANT to give out that information because he doesn't like people knowing what he does with his money and he DAMN sure doesn't like people judging his lifestyle.

problem is...when you run for public office, all that gets put on the table. you don't get to hide anything anymore. that's part of the process.


It's more likely that he doesn't consider it a good trade off. Right now the unreleased tax returns are a stick that Obama can beat Romney with. Although Romney may not get in trouble for his tax returns he probably can see that it will give Obama other sticks to beat him with. Maybe he didn't pay income taxes a few years. Maybe he has money tucked into unsavory countries. He may simply think that the voting public is too stupid to see that his finances are perfectly legitimate. In any case, he apparently thinks that whatever the press imagines is better than showing people what he did.
 
2012-07-13 10:20:37 AM  

odinsposse: Weaver95: the only reason this is even an issue is because Romney looks like he's hiding something. So ok - we know that even if Romney cheated on his taxes, nothing bad is going to happen to him for admitting to it. so why is he hiding his tax returns? the only thing I can think of is that Romney is simply being obstinate. I think he's mad as hell about commoners pawing his tax returns and second guessing his fiscal decisions. He doesn't WANT to give out that information because he doesn't like people knowing what he does with his money and he DAMN sure doesn't like people judging his lifestyle.

problem is...when you run for public office, all that gets put on the table. you don't get to hide anything anymore. that's part of the process.

It's more likely that he doesn't consider it a good trade off. Right now the unreleased tax returns are a stick that Obama can beat Romney with. Although Romney may not get in trouble for his tax returns he probably can see that it will give Obama other sticks to beat him with. Maybe he didn't pay income taxes a few years. Maybe he has money tucked into unsavory countries. He may simply think that the voting public is too stupid to see that his finances are perfectly legitimate. In any case, he apparently thinks that whatever the press imagines is better than showing people what he did.


I've heard there may be some discrepancies with his claimed residency and thus votes he's cast in elections.
 
2012-07-13 10:21:48 AM  

odinsposse: In any case, he apparently thinks that whatever the press imagines is better than showing people what he did.


which is interesting in and of itself. its also a bit of an unintended insight into how Romney would run the country.
 
2012-07-13 10:22:54 AM  

odinsposse: In any case, he apparently thinks that whatever the press imagines is better than showing people what he did.


Was investing in that Iranian nuclear power plant wrong? Should I not have done that?
 
2012-07-13 10:24:52 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Weaver95: Romney seems very scared of those tax returns. I very much doubt he's broken any laws....but I'm also fairly sure he's probably used every trick in the book to reduce his tax burden to the lowest possible rate.

it's interesting to watch. this is probably the first time in his life that Romney's ever been put on the spot.

The problem for him is the more he looks like rich Washington elite, the more likely the Tea Party is to stay home on election day. An excellent Dem strategy is to further poison the relation between Romney and the Santorum/Gingrich voters.


In addition to suppressing Democratic voters, the Republicans will need a strong Tea Party turnout to have a chance in November, and they'll get it. Sometime in mid-to-late September, the Republicans will have finalized their suite of wedge issues designed to enrage the Tea Party. You can count on the typical God/Gays/Guns wedgies, as well as the usual Brown People/Muslims wedgies. The only wild card wedgie is the one the Republicans will base on a gaff, or misstatement, or intentional distortion. We should have a contest: Guess That Wedgie! The Farker who first guesses the Republican's gaff/distortion-bassed wedgie wins a cookie!
 
2012-07-13 10:27:00 AM  
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2012-07-13 10:31:34 AM  

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2012-07-13 10:41:47 AM  

Lucky LaRue:


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2012-07-13 10:45:19 AM  

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2012-07-13 10:48:12 AM  
One of the things that we know is going to be on those tax returns is his salary from Bain from 1999-2003.

He will then have to explain the nuance of how he deserved a six-figure salary while doing nothing and having no responsibilities....

good 'ol boy welfare.
 
2012-07-13 10:48:25 AM  

qorkfiend: *swish*


The sound of a swing and a miss.
 
2012-07-13 10:48:42 AM  

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: seriously - nothing is going to happen to Romney over the whole tax return thing. Worst case, he amends his tax returns and says its all a socialist gubbermint plot to keep hm out of office. the freepers will love it, the teabaggers will close ranks around him and life goes on.

he should man up and release his returns. NOTHING is going to come of it.

And Obama will continue to use the graphic that has check marks in the last 10 years with Romney having one checkmark.

the only reason this is even an issue is because Romney looks like he's hiding something. So ok - we know that even if Romney cheated on his taxes, nothing bad is going to happen to him for admitting to it. so why is he hiding his tax returns? the only thing I can think of is that Romney is simply being obstinate. I think he's mad as hell about commoners pawing his tax returns and second guessing his fiscal decisions. He doesn't WANT to give out that information because he doesn't like people knowing what he does with his money and he DAMN sure doesn't like people judging his lifestyle.

problem is...when you run for public office, all that gets put on the table. you don't get to hide anything anymore. that's part of the process.


I don't think he's nervous about any illegality in those returns.

He is, I think, more worried about disclosing what he's invested in, despite his protestations. He is more worried about his own record, than he is about illegality. He's not going to get in trouble for illegality, but legal investments that show his true colors.

Follow the money. Always follow the money. If money is free speech, then Mitt has been singing for some years. He just doesn't want folks realizing the tune that he's really been humming...
 
2012-07-13 10:50:37 AM  

gilgigamesh: Boy that "Fast and Furious" scandal lived up to its name, huh? Talk about a quick death.

It's already out of the news cycle and relegated exclusively to right wing nutjob mewling on internet message boards. Even talk radio has forgotten about it.


When your Congressional leadership realizes your conspiracy theory is so founded upon poultry sodomy that it schedules the contempt vote for that two hour period right after the Supreme Court's PPACA ruling is handed down, it means that you should really just let it go. But then again, if BillCo let it go, he wouldn't be the batshiat conservatard we all know and love.
 
2012-07-13 10:52:09 AM  

kronicfeld: When will Obama release his long-form book manuscript?


I want to see a list of Obama's high score at playing Marble Madness!
 
2012-07-13 10:52:19 AM  
I think it's fairly obvious at this point that there's something in his tax returns that he really doesn't want anyone to see.
 
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