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(Shadowlocked)   Let's face it: There's still a possibility that The Dark Knight Rises might not be The Best Film Ever   (shadowlocked.com) divider line 162
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2012-07-13 01:26:19 AM  
There's a really GOOD chance.
 
2012-07-13 01:31:55 AM  
Link
The Onion called it.
 
2012-07-13 02:13:19 AM  
Catwoman and any possible Batgirl sightings are by far the biggest problems waiting in the wings on this flick.

I've got my imax passes and I'm ready to go.
 
2012-07-13 03:58:35 AM  
What, and supplant Weekend at Bernie's? I think not.
 
2012-07-13 04:02:52 AM  
Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

Anyway, the article itself isn't bad, and lists some legitimate concerns about how it might go.
 
2012-07-13 04:06:55 AM  
Of course not...It's got some livin' up to do if it wants to reach Hudson Hawk levels of wit and awesome.
 
2012-07-13 04:08:08 AM  

Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

Anyway, the article itself isn't bad, and lists some legitimate concerns about how it might go.


Shut up, Joss. Your movie was good, but nobody, anywhere, at any time, on any plane of existence thinks your movie was the best ever.
 
2012-07-13 04:10:06 AM  
I LOVED the Avengers, but I really think this movie will take home the prize.

It's the capstone to a much loved trilogy that features amazing talent both in front of and behind the cameras. There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.
 
2012-07-13 04:15:26 AM  
Jim Carrey was NOT the defining Riddler or some crap like that article claims... it was amusing maybe, but that movie was still pretty lame, especially after Batman Returns
 
2012-07-13 04:20:56 AM  

Imperious Rex!: There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.


Besides, no one has filled out the Catsuit as well as Anne Hathaway since Julie Newmar and Lee Meriweather.
 
2012-07-13 04:25:53 AM  

Moonvale: Jim Carrey was NOT the defining Riddler or some crap like that article claims... it was amusing maybe, but that movie was still pretty lame, especially after Batman Returns


'Was that over the top? I can never tell.'
 
2012-07-13 04:34:52 AM  
I love Catwoman!I

aux-www.s3.amazonaws.com

But then again, I am a cat lover and I love to run.
 
2012-07-13 04:41:44 AM  
In six months when all these summer movies come out on DVD I will look forward to having an opinion.
 
2012-07-13 04:57:16 AM  
We live in such a fast-paced society that movie backlash is happening before it's even released! What a country.
 
2012-07-13 05:06:09 AM  
Sooooo much fail. And im sorta drunk, so im going to go through everything thats wrong with the article.

5... ok, cant really argue with that, Ledgers Joker was the performance of a lifetime, literally. His joker will be mold for the character for anyone who plays him in the future as well as im sure comic book interpretations. It was really pitch perfect, any time he was not on screen you wanted him to be. He deserved the Oscar even if he hadnt died. I think Ledgers Joker surpasses even Hamills.

4. Catwoman is a complex character, shes been done a dozen different ways in the comics, the only person to really compare Hathaway to would be Kidman, which was STILL a rather cheesy performance and comparable to Newmar and Kitt in some ways. The Nolan films are too different from the TV show obviously, and i dont even want to discuss the Catwoman movie. Completely different mythos, and although a similar origin to the Burton version, completely different character. Also one of the worst movies ive ever seen, if not THE worst, i dont know how this movie ever got made. That aside... Hathaway is NOT just a romcom bimbo (although neither was Berry), the authors examples are weak, and while i havnt seen Princess Diaries or Bride Wars, i think Passengers, Rachel Getting Married and especially Brokeback Mountain shows shes more than that . Now the comic book version has gone through several phases, but for the most part shes an extraordinary woman who burgles her way into wealth and high society. But you really cant compare this to earlier portrayals because they were all pretty cheesy. Shes also not a polar opposite to Batman... theyre very much similar people, farked up pasts, turn to a wacky animal inspired persona, but for different ends. Plus most versions of her put her as sort of a robin hood archetype, shes a thief, but definitely a "good guy". Very much the same as Bruce Wayne except he came from money and she didnt.

3. Yeah, this is pretty wild speculation. Nolan hasnt made a bad film yet, so hes due? WTF. Following is his "worst" movie? Ok yeah, its still a great movie. Thats like saying uh... shoulder is the worst part of the pig. While technically correct, BBQ is still farking awesome. Yes it will be hard to top The Dark Knight. Can TDKR do it? I dont know, but even if it doesnt, its going to be a 99 next to 100.

2. This ship sailed a loooooong time ago. Comic fans grew up, comics got darker, and yes, in some cases overly, ridiculously so. Batman was dark in the comics decades before Batman Begins, partly as a backlash to Wests Batman, but in general the modern age of comics is a backlash against the sincere cheesiness of the silver and golden ages, which were partly what they were because of censorship/the comic code. At the root of it Batman is a deeply tortured character still hung up on the deaths of his parents, enough so that he uses his vast fortune not on therapy, or hookers and blow, but to put on a cape and beat up bad guys. Is there any way for that NOT to be dark? Batman often admits theres little difference between him and his antagonists. Hes basically a bad guy but for the right reasons. He doesnt have super powers, he doesnt have some extrinsic influence giving him some higher purpose. With great power comes great responsibility, but Batman doesnt have any power.

1. I dont think the author has actually seen Bronson. I didnt think Hardy could pull off Bane either. Until i saw Bronson. And again, why even mention the Schumaker (historys greatest monster) Bane. Much like Berrys Catwoman, he wasnt Bane, he was just some guy called Bane with a few similarities. Now granted originally in the comic books Bane was little more than a cheap plot device for an ill contrived attempt at completely changing the Batman franchise. It was the 90s, Marvel was kicking DCs butts partly because Marvel heroes werent afraid to kill, darker heroes were all the rage. Meanwhile Superman was a boyscout and Batman with his code wasnt far off. DCs answer to this was Azbat (yo dawg, we heard you like wolverine, so we put wolverine in your batman, right down to the yellow and blue and claws...) but first they had to get someone besides Bruce in the Batsuit. So Bane came and was Batmans superior in every way, physically as well as intellectually and put him in a wheelchair for a while until fan backlash convinced DC theyd gone too far. Bane was developed as a character however and grew beyond his original role as a cheap plot device. Bane is one of the few characters i dont think they did justice to in TAS, but i dont think he had really been explored in the comics at that point anyway. I really dont see how Bane cant fit into the Nolanverse. People talk about the realism of it all, but forget that in the first film theres an ancient ninja training school... That being the case is it implausible for an orphan raised in a remote prison to rise through the ranks and become the badassest mercenary on the planet? And no, Danny Devito is not still the Penguin and Jim Carry is not still the Riddler, he was and always will be Ace Ventura. I dont think Bane will necessarily be a career defining role for Hardy, yes its a big deal, but i think he has much more and possibly even greater work ahead of him.

TL;DR, wheres my whiskey.
 
2012-07-13 05:20:25 AM  
poop
 
2012-07-13 05:36:01 AM  
Has this person seen the movie?

No?

Okay then. Next thread.
 
2012-07-13 05:42:06 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Has this person seen the movie?

No?

Okay then. Next thread.


pinkie.ponychan.net

/do not GIS "this asshole gets it"
//porn, porn, gay porn, romney, porn, tucker max, porn, gay porn, porn...
 
2012-07-13 05:54:51 AM  
Y'know internet, there was a lot more to The Dark Knight then Heath Ledger's second coming of the Clown Christ, his performance has become so overrated, he was good but not, "The greatest actor ever playing a role in the entire history of theater" good.
/Everyone looks at him like a genius because he's dead, see examples: Cobain, Kurt and Hendrix, Jimi
 
2012-07-13 05:56:23 AM  
Best film EVer? Not without the universe scrubbing off the exalted presence of Ernest Scared Stupid from the fabric of spacetime.
 
2012-07-13 06:04:11 AM  

olddeegee: Link
The Onion called it.


" and Batman's cameo appearances on Scooby-Doo. These were my creative touchstones as I completed my trilogy.""

awesome!
 
2012-07-13 06:06:46 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Imperious Rex!: There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.

Besides, no one has filled out the Catsuit as well as Anne Hathaway since Julie Newmar and Lee Meriweather.


Michelle Pfeiffer?

I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"

Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..


An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.
 
2012-07-13 06:11:34 AM  
Bane - Popular newer villain to the Batman universe. (Not one of the old classic Batman villains...)

You know what other recent 3rd movie in a superhero series used the popular newer villain (Not one of that heroes old classic villains)?
 
2012-07-13 06:21:20 AM  

Six_By_Nine: Kurmudgeon: Imperious Rex!: There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.
An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.


Yeah... Joss Whedon totally has no idea how to do complexity or plot =/
 
2012-07-13 06:30:19 AM  

Six_By_Nine: I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"


Still a babe, but time has marched on.
www.gorgeouspfeiffer.com
 
2012-07-13 06:31:47 AM  
Here's a crazy idea.

Let's just watch the damn movie and then decide if it's good or bad.

/insane, i know.
 
2012-07-13 07:04:22 AM  

Imperious Rex!: It's the capstone to a much loved trilogy that features amazing talent both in front of and behind the cameras. There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.


And don't forget Catwoman's behind:

www.writetrack.com

www.writetrack.com

www.viciousnews.com
 
2012-07-13 07:09:29 AM  
So....his arguments boil down to "a whole bunch of other movies weren't very good, except for the other Batman movie, which was TOO good, and the director's other movies, which were all really good, so this one will be bad."

Someone got assigned by his boss to write something negative about the movie to rack up some page views, and this was the best he could come up with.
 
2012-07-13 07:09:54 AM  
I didn't realize Heath Ledger's death was a suicide. It thought it was ruled an accidental overdose. Or was that part of the article complete bullshiat?
 
2012-07-13 07:17:21 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Six_By_Nine: I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"

Still a babe, but time has marched on.
[www.gorgeouspfeiffer.com image 290x290]


Any Pfeiffer fans -- I recommend you see "Stardust." It's a pretty good film that nobody saw in the theater. It's actually a good "date night" movie in the same sort of tone as "Princess Bride," (though not nearly as good). And Michelle Pfeiffer is AWESOME as a scenery-chewing evil witch.
 
2012-07-13 07:18:50 AM  
Nolan is dull. His films lack any fun. They hit a high point with Prestige and Batman Begins (which is a dumb title).

TDK is ok. It's 2 times as long as it needs to be and is loaded with shiatty stuff (hong kong, bat vision, Michael Cain speeches, bat-blackmail, stupid annoying spouting catchphrases in the police can during jokers assault, the last scene with twoface where the climax of the movie is batman pushing an asshole out a window while music goes DUH DUH DUH Duh duh duh...)

TDKR has potential but it'll probably just be an overwrought melodramatic mess like inception. Full of dull characters and plot holes.
 
2012-07-13 07:22:11 AM  
Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.
 
2012-07-13 07:22:20 AM  
Anybody know when the reviews will start coming out? It was screened for critics almost a week ago.
 
2012-07-13 07:24:19 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Imperious Rex!: It's the capstone to a much loved trilogy that features amazing talent both in front of and behind the cameras. There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.

And don't forget Catwoman's behind:



Oh, I am very much looking forward to seeing Hathaway in her Catwoman outfit, I am just not expecting greatness. I really hope and think I will be surprised.
 
2012-07-13 07:35:44 AM  

consider this: Anybody know when the reviews will start coming out? It was screened for critics almost a week ago.


A few will start trickling in Monday and Wednesday should be when RT has its most likely score.

Look, I've been bouncing off the walls for this since 5 minutes after walking out of TDK but I'll wait till I'm walking out before I make a jugdement. In all likelyhood, it will be a very satisfying conclusion to a great trilogy but not the greatest movie ever.

/ hope I'm wrong though
// really looking forward to watching Gotham descend into absolute chaos like the previews suggest
 
2012-07-13 07:46:44 AM  
Am I the only one that thought Begins was boring and the joker was the only good thing about the second movie? I might watch it, when it's on TV in a couple of years
 
2012-07-13 07:47:49 AM  
The Empire Strikes Back was a far superior movie to Return of the Jedi, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy Return of the Jedi.

That is my analogy.
 
2012-07-13 07:54:51 AM  
cdn.ifanboy.com

Whoooooooo knows?
 
2012-07-13 08:01:37 AM  

stoli n coke: Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

Anyway, the article itself isn't bad, and lists some legitimate concerns about how it might go.

Shut up, Joss. Your movie was good, but nobody, anywhere, at any time, on any plane of existence thinks your movie was the best ever.


I felt like i was covered in Whedon when i got out of that movie. It was good, don't get me wrong, but it could have been so much better if anyone else had directed it.
 
2012-07-13 08:09:02 AM  
kaktusjack.com
 
2012-07-13 08:26:13 AM  

Gunny Highway: [cdn.ifanboy.com image 640x360]

Whoooooooo knows?


What is going on in this photo??
 
2012-07-13 08:28:21 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-13 08:30:56 AM  

MrCheeks: Gunny Highway: [cdn.ifanboy.com image 640x360]

Whoooooooo knows?

What is going on in this photo??


It was taken by Scott Snyder at yesterday's Batman panel. There is an evil group called The Court of the Owls in the story and they wear those masks. I guess they passed them out to the audience and Snyder snapped a picture. Thought it was cool and sort of relevant.
 
2012-07-13 08:31:07 AM  

AaronSynn: Bane - Popular newer villain to the Batman universe. (Not one of the old classic Batman villains...)

You know what other recent 3rd movie in a superhero series used the popular newer villain (Not one of that heroes old classic villains)?


Yeah but that was Sony ramming Venom down Raimis throat purely for marketing reasons. Nolan picked Bane himself because he fit the mold for the film, not because the fanbois wanted to see him.
 
2012-07-13 08:33:25 AM  

Cyno01: 4. Catwoman is a complex character, shes been done a dozen different ways in the comics, the only person to really compare Hathaway to would be Kidman


Uhh... Did you mean Michelle Pfeiffer? Kidman played Dr. Chase Meridian the psychiatrist.
 
2012-07-13 08:38:08 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.


Yeah! Dreyfuss can do no wrong and Holly Hunter has a cute little mouth.

/no snark
 
2012-07-13 08:39:51 AM  
 
2012-07-13 08:41:08 AM  
You geeks and your coloring book movies... Get a life.
 
2012-07-13 08:42:10 AM  

Angry Buddha: Click Click D'oh: Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.

Yeah! Dreyfuss can do no wrong and Holly Hunter has a cute little mouth.

/no snark


He meant this one...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-13 08:44:11 AM  

Madbassist1: Angry Buddha: Click Click D'oh: Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.

Yeah! Dreyfuss can do no wrong and Holly Hunter has a cute little mouth.

/no snark

He meant this one...


You shut your whore mouth - that movie rules.

goodbye... hollywooooooood!
 
2012-07-13 08:47:45 AM  

alowishus: I didn't realize Heath Ledger's death was a suicide. It thought it was ruled an accidental overdose. Or was that part of the article complete bullshiat?


Part of the article's complete bullshiat. Accidental overdose due to a prescription drug habit. The article was horrible and full of fail in, I think, pretty much every one of those five points.
 
2012-07-13 08:48:21 AM  

GAT_00: stoli n coke: Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

Anyway, the article itself isn't bad, and lists some legitimate concerns about how it might go.

Shut up, Joss. Your movie was good, but nobody, anywhere, at any time, on any plane of existence thinks your movie was the best ever.

I felt like i was covered in Whedon when i got out of that movie. It was good, don't get me wrong, but it could have been so much better if anyone else had directed it.


except his direction style isn't that distinctive, it was his writing that made the film and done by anyone else it would have sucked. Forget the scene with Hulk punching Thor for no reason and probably Hulk slinging Loki like a ragdoll and enjoy the extra 10 minutes fleshing out BW and Hawkeyes relationship and 3/4 of the quotable lines of the film
 
2012-07-13 08:52:01 AM  

entropic_existence: alowishus: I didn't realize Heath Ledger's death was a suicide. It thought it was ruled an accidental overdose. Or was that part of the article complete bullshiat?

Part of the article's complete bullshiat. Accidental overdose due to a prescription drug habit. The article was horrible and full of fail in, I think, pretty much every one of those five points.


I think it's more a reflection of a personal bias by the author. Ledger died from an overdose, accidental or not he did die by his own hand so the author thinks of it as suicide.
 
2012-07-13 08:52:31 AM  

gmoney101: Am I the only one that thought Begins was boring and the joker was the only good thing about the second movie? I might watch it, when it's on TV in a couple of years


Yes
 
2012-07-13 08:52:40 AM  
Christopher Nolan movies I've seen that were awesome: Memento, Insomnia, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Night, Inception.

Christopher Nolan movies that I've seen that weren't awesome:

Yeah, I'm going to play the odds on this.
 
2012-07-13 08:54:21 AM  
Even the greats trip once in a while...George Michael...

Not sure if this guy is credible...
 
2012-07-13 08:58:51 AM  
Let's face it: There's still a possibility that The Dark Knight Rises might not be The Best Film Ever the Hollywood studio system hasn't produced a watchable film in about twenty years.
 
2012-07-13 08:59:13 AM  
I thought the second film was a wreck. I liked the first much better.
 
2012-07-13 09:00:17 AM  
Seeing Hathaway in a full leather, skin-tight body suit will give this movie a chance at being the best EVAR.

Seeing Hathaway getting out of her full leather, skin-tight body suit will take it over the top.

/I'm expecting full penetration here, people
 
2012-07-13 09:02:00 AM  

Gunny Highway: MrCheeks: Gunny Highway: [cdn.ifanboy.com image 640x360]

Whoooooooo knows?

What is going on in this photo??

It was taken by Scott Snyder at yesterday's Batman panel. There is an evil group called The Court of the Owls in the story and they wear those masks. I guess they passed them out to the audience and Snyder snapped a picture. Thought it was cool and sort of relevant.


Ah very cool. To me it looked like Candle Jack but now tha.......
 
2012-07-13 09:02:04 AM  

Solon Isonomia: Madbassist1: Angry Buddha: Click Click D'oh: Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.

Yeah! Dreyfuss can do no wrong and Holly Hunter has a cute little mouth.

/no snark

He meant this one...

You shut your whore mouth - that movie rules.

goodbye... hollywooooooood!


Requoted for emphasis.

It may not be his best movie, but it sure as hell is Spielberg's most FUN movie.
 
2012-07-13 09:04:43 AM  
(insert late-to-the-party half-assed troll attempt here)
 
2012-07-13 09:09:06 AM  
I'm thinking anything is possible, but I have faith Nolan will deliver. The one thing that the list didn't mention is that Sam Raimi delivered a lackluster Spider-Man 3. It's hard enough to do 1 great sequel...but 2? (Godfather III, Spider-Man 3, Terminator 3, Rambo 3, ah hell...I can't think of a great 3rd film...we're all screwed).

So earlier this week, I was telling my girlfriend that we're going to see The Dark Knight Rises when it comes out (rarely am I that adamant about seeing a movie). I told her it was the next one in the series, I was shocked that she thought I was talking about Batman of the 80's and 90's. So last night we watched Batman Begins...and she loved it. Tonight we're watching The Dark Knight so she'll be ready for The Dark Knight Rises.
 
2012-07-13 09:12:09 AM  

Dog Welder: Kurmudgeon: Six_By_Nine: I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"

Still a babe, but time has marched on.
[www.gorgeouspfeiffer.com image 290x290]

Any Pfeiffer fans -- I recommend you see "Stardust." It's a pretty good film that nobody saw in the theater. It's actually a good "date night" movie in the same sort of tone as "Princess Bride," (though not nearly as good). And Michelle Pfeiffer is AWESOME as a scenery-chewing evil witch.


Seconded. Stardust was an awesome movie. I like her stuff now better than her older stuff and she has the smoking hot I will eat you little boy look to her now. Happy days indeed.
 
2012-07-13 09:12:34 AM  

slayer199: I'm thinking anything is possible, but I have faith Nolan will deliver. The one thing that the list didn't mention is that Sam Raimi delivered a lackluster Spider-Man 3. It's hard enough to do 1 great sequel...but 2? (Godfather III, Spider-Man 3, Terminator 3, Rambo 3, ah hell...I can't think of a great 3rd film...we're all screwed).

So earlier this week, I was telling my girlfriend that we're going to see The Dark Knight Rises when it comes out (rarely am I that adamant about seeing a movie). I told her it was the next one in the series, I was shocked that she thought I was talking about Batman of the 80's and 90's. So last night we watched Batman Begins...and she loved it. Tonight we're watching The Dark Knight so she'll be ready for The Dark Knight Rises.


Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
 
2012-07-13 09:21:41 AM  
Of course there's a chance. However, I've never seen a bad Nolan film, so he gets the benefit of the doubt until he makes one. The only thing I've seen so far to make me doubt the movie at all is if they expect me to believe Ann Hathaway is some kind of ass kicking machine.

Like I've said before, if I am at all disappointed with this movie, chances are it's only because of how awesome the first two are.
 
2012-07-13 09:22:05 AM  

Nayman: Nolan is dull. His films lack any fun. They hit a high point with Prestige and Batman Begins (which is a dumb title).

TDK is ok. It's 2 times as long as it needs to be and is loaded with shiatty stuff (hong kong, bat vision, Michael Cain speeches, bat-blackmail, stupid annoying spouting catchphrases in the police can during jokers assault, the last scene with twoface where the climax of the movie is batman pushing an asshole out a window while music goes DUH DUH DUH Duh duh duh...)

TDKR has potential but it'll probably just be an overwrought melodramatic mess like inception. Full of dull characters and plot holes.


What he said. I just don't get all the love.
 
2012-07-13 09:24:29 AM  

Nayman: Full of dull characters and plot holes.


Are you talking about DKR or the politics tab?

/dull character
//plot hole
 
2012-07-13 09:25:48 AM  
Sorry, The Best Film Ever can not be The Dark Knight Rises... To me, it was not The Avengers or even a movie with in the past 10 years. Though a bunch of movies have been really excellent, The Avengers and The Dark Knight, X-Men II and Spider-Man II. Even Prometheus made my list of excellent movies. But in my eyes. The Best Film of all time would either be Alien / Aliens or Star Wars. Both movie series have pretty much inspired people for generations.

Then again, this is my opinion. And I hope that The Dark Knight Rises turns out to be an awesome movie and a worthy closer to the Nolan Batverse.
 
2012-07-13 09:32:46 AM  

Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade


I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.
 
2012-07-13 09:33:38 AM  
media.comicvine.com

Miss me yet?
 
2012-07-13 09:35:36 AM  
Gosh.

People really take this stuff seriously.

Too seriously.

After all, it's ONLY A MOVIE.
 
2012-07-13 09:35:50 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.


The problem with Always was I believe Spielberg erred in taking the story out of WWII in remaking A Guy Named Joe.There was great poignancy in the original with the idea that the spirits of fallen soldiers remain to help the still living soldiers. Especially since WWII was still going on when the movie came out. Telling the same story with fireman doesn't have the same impact. (No disrespect to the men and women who risk their lives to put out fires.) In fact I believe there was even some dialogue by John Goodman lampshading that fact.
 
2012-07-13 09:37:33 AM  

devilEther: [media.comicvine.com image 300x400]

Miss me yet?


blog.olenska.com

Nope
 
2012-07-13 09:38:11 AM  

slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.


American Tale: Fievel Goes West?

/I kid
//sorta
 
2012-07-13 09:39:50 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Solon Isonomia: Madbassist1: Angry Buddha: Click Click D'oh: Steven Spielberg had Always (Google it...it's horrific);

WTF? Always is a good movie.

Yeah! Dreyfuss can do no wrong and Holly Hunter has a cute little mouth.

/no snark

He meant this one...

You shut your whore mouth - that movie rules.

goodbye... hollywooooooood!

Requoted for emphasis.

It may not be his best movie, but it sure as hell is Spielberg's most FUN movie.


1941 is a mess. But there are many moments that make me laugh out loud to this day.

/HOLLYWOOD!!!!
 
2012-07-13 09:40:52 AM  

slayer199: devilEther: [media.comicvine.com image 300x400]

Miss me yet?

[blog.olenska.com image 350x271]

Nope


The only true Catwoman was Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether and Eartha Kitt.
 
2012-07-13 09:40:56 AM  

Digitalstrange: I think it's more a reflection of a personal bias by the author. Ledger died from an overdose, accidental or not he did die by his own hand so the author thinks of it as suicide.


Given the rest of the article I prefer the explanation that the author is a moron
 
2012-07-13 09:41:36 AM  

slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.


Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.
 
2012-07-13 09:47:52 AM  

Orgasmatron138: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.


matrix reloaded
 
2012-07-13 09:53:09 AM  
Batman Begins > The Dark Knight.

We will see how this new film plays out. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
2012-07-13 09:57:59 AM  
It still has a chance of being the 3rd best comic book hero movie of the year.
 
2012-07-13 09:58:33 AM  

Orgasmatron138: Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.


They were both the 2nd movies in the series.

Terminator 3 was meh, and Return of the Jedi was good but not better than Empire.
 
2012-07-13 09:59:29 AM  

gunga galunga: The only true Catwoman was Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether and Eartha Kitt.


While I agree with you...I have a hard time topping Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman if you know what I mean.
 
2012-07-13 10:02:28 AM  

slayer199: gunga galunga: The only true Catwoman was Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether and Eartha Kitt.

While I agree with you...I have a hard time topping Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman if you know what I mean.


I was just quoting Adam West when he was on The Simpsons. I have zero problem with Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman.
 
2012-07-13 10:08:18 AM  

Cyno01: ... And no, Danny Devito is not still the Penguin and Jim Carry is not still the Riddler, he was and always will be Ace Ventura...


And Danny DeVito will always be:

www.movieactors.com
 
2012-07-13 10:13:33 AM  

Andrew Wiggin: Orgasmatron138: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.

matrix reloaded



What about Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness?
 
2012-07-13 10:15:51 AM  
s3-ak.buzzfed.com
 
2012-07-13 10:16:27 AM  

Spaztictacular: Andrew Wiggin: Orgasmatron138: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.

matrix reloaded


What about Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness?



Also, the Bourne trilogy (Identity, Supremacy, Ultimatum) actually tend to get better with each iteration
 
2012-07-13 10:20:22 AM  
Here's the thing:

Nolan's first 2 "Batman" movies were tedious-as-fark. They weren't good movies. People that like those movies are easily fooled by marketing campaigns and shiny things in general.

I expect this one to be the BEST of the three, but it will still be boring.
 
2012-07-13 10:21:42 AM  

realmolo: Here's the thing:

Nolan's first 2 "Batman" movies were tedious-as-fark. They weren't good movies. People that like those movies are easily fooled by marketing campaigns and shiny things in general.

I expect this one to be the BEST of the three, but it will still be boring.


You are an ass.
 
2012-07-13 10:21:55 AM  

Spaztictacular: Spaztictacular: Andrew Wiggin: Orgasmatron138: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.

matrix reloaded


What about Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness?


Also, the Bourne trilogy (Identity, Supremacy, Ultimatum) actually tend to get better with each iteration


I can never watch only 1 of the Bourne movies. I find it a great series to just watch all three back to back. It seems to me like its really 1 movie split into 3 parts.
 
2012-07-13 10:36:40 AM  

slayer199: I'm thinking anything is possible.

So earlier this week, I was telling my girlfriend that we're going to see The Dark Knight Rises when it comes out (rarely am I that adamant about seeing a movie). I told her it was the next one in the series, I was shocked that she thought I was talking about Batman of the 80's and 90's. So last night we watched Batman Begins...and she loved it. Tonight we're watching The Dark Knight so she'll be ready for The Dark Knight Rises.


Haven't you been smoking Peyote for 6 straight days? Isn't it possible that you've never even been to Mount Vesuvius?
 
2012-07-13 10:38:43 AM  
No worries on Hardy from this Farker. He's going to be awesome. I cans feel it.

/Mister Wayne.
 
2012-07-13 10:48:24 AM  

Andrew Wiggin: Orgasmatron138: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.

matrix reloaded


I keep trying to make my case for reloaded as the best in that series. Here's how the argument goes:
Me: I like reloaded the best
Other Person: OMG the sequels are shiat
Me: No the third one is. The second installment raised great questions and had some of the best action sequences of any movie ever. Plus they built a highway for that scene.
OP: ...

They never have a response and if they do its so generalized and takes forever for them to form. (at least person to person verbal arguments. I've heard okay cases on Fark, but they fall under the generalizations stated earlier. and yes the rave scene sucked.)
 
2012-07-13 10:50:34 AM  

olddeegee: Link
The Onion called it.


The Onion can joke about it, but it already happened once before with disastrous results...
www.scifi-movies.com

Not that Nolan would ever let something like Superman 3 happen to his Batman franchise.
 
2012-07-13 10:51:31 AM  

gunga galunga: slayer199: devilEther: [media.comicvine.com image 300x400]

Miss me yet?

[blog.olenska.com image 350x271]

Nope

The only true Catwoman was Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether and Eartha Kitt.


This: Michelle? Nope. Halle? Great if you were doing the XXX parody of Batman but otherwise? Nope.
 
2012-07-13 10:59:10 AM  
Wow, that article was so full of nothing.

//not expecting TDKR to be perfect, but christ, that was just dumb.
 
2012-07-13 11:07:16 AM  
Wow.... this is one of the worst written articles I've ever read.

Anne Hatahway is a great actor but she may be bad because... she's made some chick flicks? She's proved herself in other roles, who cares if she's been in chick flicks too?

Will future batman films be hard to make because the role is so dark after this film?
a) irrelevant. doesn't affect if this film is good or bad
b) of course that isn't an issue. Comics reboot and change tone ALL THE farkING TIME.

His three examples of "the greats" are Spielburg, Beckham and George Micheals?


But this is not just any role, it's the role of his career. Jim Carrey was (and still is) The Riddler; Heath Ledger became The Joker; and Danny De Vito was born to play The Penguin...is this a role that Hardy can really capture?

Really, is this a farking joke? "Jim Carrey still is The Riddler?" No... I'd say he IS Ace Ventura. Or The Truman Show. or Even Man on the Moon is more iconic than his dumb riddler persona. The farking Batman movies are not the be-all end-all of film. Just because an actor appears in one doesn't mean it is "the role of their career"

Jesus christ. I'm not even that excited for Dark Knight Rises but this was truly one of the worst written articles (that wasnt' being parodied by the headline) I've ever read on Fark. Are there no admins anymore?
 
2012-07-13 11:13:51 AM  
It's about time Citizen Kane and Godfather got knocked down a peg
 
2012-07-13 11:18:36 AM  

Six_By_Nine: Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.


Avengers was Generic Superhero Action Movie #47.

Totally fine popcorn flick, but nothing remotely interesting, unique, inventive, or well executed about it.
 
2012-07-13 11:19:12 AM  

thecpt: I keep trying to make my case for reloaded as the best in that series. Here's how the argument goes:
Me: I like reloaded the best
Other Person: OMG the sequels are shiat
Me: No the third one is. The second installment raised great questions and had some of the best action sequences of any movie ever. Plus they built a highway for that scene.
OP: ...

They never have a response and if they do its so generalized and takes forever for them to form.


Yes, the 100 Agent Smiths fight was awesome as was the scene on the stairway. But. The highway scene overstayed its welcome and, for me, got a little boring. But not nearly as boring as the first 45 minutes or so in Zion where the tropes, from Morpheus' Independence Day speech to Councillor's "this is what we are fighting for" speech, were so heavyhanded, they were laughable. The scene with Merovingian was a waste of celluloid, as was Persephone's wanting to kiss Neo (which had no pay-off whatsoever). The albino twins were, like Darth Maul, promising but ultimately wasted, villains. That's just off the top of my head.
 
2012-07-13 11:21:26 AM  
who the fark cares if they "build a highway" for the scene? That doesn't make a film good...
 
2012-07-13 11:21:35 AM  

Lee's_Austin: No worries on Hardy from this Farker. He's going to be awesome. I cans feel it.

yeah, he's the real deal. but i'm wondering if the character Bane will allow him to showcase just how awesome he is.

 
2012-07-13 11:23:33 AM  

slayer199: I'm thinking anything is possible, but I have faith Nolan will deliver. The one thing that the list didn't mention is that Sam Raimi delivered a lackluster Spider-Man 3. It's hard enough to do 1 great sequel...but 2? (Godfather III, Spider-Man 3, Terminator 3, Rambo 3, ah hell...I can't think of a great 3rd film...we're all screwed).


Toy Story 3
 
2012-07-13 11:24:45 AM  

jj325: It's about time Citizen Kane and Godfather got knocked down a peg


Shut your whore mouth about Citizen Kane.

But, yeah, The Godfather is overrated. It's damn good movie, but even for the genre, I think Goodfellas and Miller's Crossing are better.
 
2012-07-13 11:25:15 AM  
oh and:

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is the 3rd film in a series and farking fantastic.
 
2012-07-13 11:25:56 AM  
Has Christopher Nolan made a bad film yet? Much less one that wasn't pretty damned good?

Even if this is his worst film, it's likely to be pretty effing awesome.
 
2012-07-13 11:26:29 AM  

devilEther: Lee's_Austin: No worries on Hardy from this Farker. He's going to be awesome. I cans feel it.

yeah, he's the real deal. but i'm wondering if the character Bane will allow him to showcase just how awesome he is.


Nolan says it does. In Nolan We Trust.
 
2012-07-13 11:26:52 AM  

Bill Frist: Six_By_Nine: Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.

Avengers was Generic Superhero Action Movie #47.

Totally fine popcorn flick, but nothing remotely interesting, unique, inventive, or well executed about it.


Dis. If you want a fun superhero movie with zero story, watch The Avengers. I saw someone post further upthread that Nolan's Batman movies weren't good because "they aren't enough fun to watch." One of the dumbest opinions I've ever read.
 
2012-07-13 11:27:24 AM  

gunga galunga: jj325: It's about time Citizen Kane and Godfather got knocked down a peg

Shut your whore mouth about Citizen Kane.

But, yeah, The Godfather is overrated. It's damn good movie, but even for the genre, I think Goodfellas and Miller's Crossing are better.


He was being sarcastic, you dolt.
 
2012-07-13 11:28:00 AM  

Gunny Highway: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

American Tale: Fievel Goes West?

/I kid
//sorta


THE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY EYE
 
2012-07-13 11:28:40 AM  
Test audiences appear to have loved it, even if they were sad with Lucien Fox died, and a little confused when Bane decided to take his own life after he was beaten.

It might not be the best film ever, but it sounds like it will be a good one.
 
2012-07-13 11:29:42 AM  

gunga galunga: jj325: It's about time Citizen Kane and Godfather got knocked down a peg

Shut your whore mouth about Citizen Kane.

But, yeah, The Godfather is overrated. It's damn good movie, but even for the genre, I think Goodfellas and Miller's Crossing are better.


I was being sarcastic. Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever

/For me, Godfather is the sum of 1 and 2. I give that a slight edge over Goodfellas
 
2012-07-13 11:31:14 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Test audiences appear to have loved it, even if they were sad with Lucien Fox died, and a little confused when Bane decided to take his own life after he was beaten.

It might not be the best film ever, but it sounds like it will be a good one.


Awesome screen name!
 
2012-07-13 11:32:02 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Test audiences appear to have loved it, even if they were sad with Lucien Fox died, and a little confused when Bane decided to take his own life after he was beaten.

It might not be the best film ever, but it sounds like it will be a good one.


also...snape kills dumbledore, and bruce willis was dead the whole time.
 
2012-07-13 11:34:32 AM  

thecpt: Andrew Wiggin: Orgasmatron138: slayer199: Gunny Highway: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

I loved Last Crusade, but the Temple of Doom kinda sucked and we won't bring up the last abomination.

I was thinking of movies where the first movie was very good/great and the 2nd one in the series was better than the first.

Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.

matrix reloaded

I keep trying to make my case for reloaded as the best in that series. Here's how the argument goes:
Me: I like reloaded the best
Other Person: OMG the sequels are shiat
Me: No the third one is. The second installment raised great questions and had some of the best action sequences of any movie ever. Plus they built a highway for that scene.
OP: ...

They never have a response and if they do its so generalized and takes forever for them to form. (at least person to person verbal arguments. I've heard okay cases on Fark, but they fall under the generalizations stated earlier. and yes the rave scene sucked.)


My problem with the second one is a usual complaint that I have about sequels. The main character had to regress to accommodate the need for a sequel.

Also, it was very clear that they had NO idea where the story was going when they wrote the second one.

The first is an awesome movie that stands on its own merits and doesn't NEED sequels.
 
2012-07-13 11:36:27 AM  

Bill Frist: oh and:

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is the 3rd film in a series and farking fantastic.


Goldfinger, the 3rd of the Bond series, is my favorite. Even if parts of it are farking ridiculous.

"Hi, I'm Auric Goldfinger. I gathered you all around to show you this expensive and meticulously-detailed model that even rises up from out the floor so I can share my elaborate plan to rob Fort Knox. Having spent the time and money to do that, I'm going to gas all of you."
 
2012-07-13 11:40:39 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-13 11:42:04 AM  

thecpt: They never have a response and if they do its so generalized and takes forever for them to form. (at least person to person verbal arguments. I've heard okay cases on Fark, but they fall under the generalizations stated earlier. and yes the rave scene sucked.)


My main issue with the sequels was that the first one worked because of desperation: Neo was just some random dude, and he finally overcomes the nearly godlike Agents by becoming a God. At the end of The Matrix, he was essentially Superman. The sequels then suffered from Superman Syndrome; the world as constructed couldn't offer any challenges, so it had to come up with new meta threats. The Merovingian, the Keymaker, the clone army, prophecies, etc., were all just silly new layers piled on top of what was otherwise a tight, straightforward story. None of that was required to make the first one work.
 
2012-07-13 11:44:47 AM  

gunga galunga: thecpt: I keep trying to make my case for reloaded as the best in that series. Here's how the argument goes:
Me: I like reloaded the best
Other Person: OMG the sequels are shiat
Me: No the third one is. The second installment raised great questions and had some of the best action sequences of any movie ever. Plus they built a highway for that scene.
OP: ...

They never have a response and if they do its so generalized and takes forever for them to form.

Yes, the 100 Agent Smiths fight was awesome as was the scene on the stairway. But. The highway scene overstayed its welcome and, for me, got a little boring. But not nearly as boring as the first 45 minutes or so in Zion where the tropes, from Morpheus' Independence Day speech to Councillor's "this is what we are fighting for" speech, were so heavyhanded, they were laughable. The scene with Merovingian was a waste of celluloid, as was Persephone's wanting to kiss Neo (which had no pay-off whatsoever). The albino twins were, like Darth Maul, promising but ultimately wasted, villains. That's just off the top of my head.


I think all off those are legit criticisms, although i thought that the speech (not that great and I consider it part of the rave scene) served a purpose, the Merovingian scene is cool plus dat cleavage, the kiss was a way to show that Neo is actually romantically involved, and I was unhappy that the twins never came back but thought they were interesting.

The problem is people put the first one way up on a pedestal, and ignorantly lump the second one with the third one.
 
2012-07-13 11:47:02 AM  

thecpt: The problem is people put the first one way up on a pedestal, and ignorantly lump the second one with the third one.


No offense but I truly am not sure I can think of anything more pathetic than a Matrix fanboy, in 2012, who spends his days desperately arguing that the second film was some great movie. To quote Rilke: YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR LIFE
 
2012-07-13 11:50:51 AM  

Bill Frist: gunga galunga: jj325: It's about time Citizen Kane and Godfather got knocked down a peg

Shut your whore mouth about Citizen Kane.

But, yeah, The Godfather is overrated. It's damn good movie, but even for the genre, I think Goodfellas and Miller's Crossing are better.

He was being sarcastic, you dolt.


My brother-in-law says the exact same thing about both movies, but he means it. So it was hard for me to tell.
 
2012-07-13 11:55:45 AM  

Orgasmatron138:
Also, it was very clear that they had NO idea where the story was going when they wrote the second one.

The first is an awesome movie that stands on its own merits and doesn't NEED sequels.


Successful action movie=sequel will happen. The second movie definitely felt like it had a story, and while watching I enjoyed how I thought I understood the world from the first one but they were still throwing good questions about what the matrix is with inclusions of interesting characters ranging from the architect to Seraph. Plus the cliff hanger was pretty good. And how can you say it didn't NEED a sequel? The viewer definitely want to see humans succeed from what they were reduced to.
 
2012-07-13 11:58:37 AM  
I've got Following on DVD. It isn't spectacular but it is still better than any and every single thing Shyamalan has shiat onto a script.

That is kind of a cynical reason to worry. Because Nolan hasn't fallen flat on his face yet? Like say, Hitchcock?
 
2012-07-13 11:59:19 AM  

thecpt: The problem is people put the first one way up on a pedestal, and ignorantly lump the second one with the third one.


I'll say this for the second one. They wisely ditched Tank for that guy from Lost.

/Tank always annoyed the crap out of me
//and WTF was up with that "PUHHH!" sound he makes after kiling Cypher?
 
2012-07-13 12:02:17 PM  

Bill Frist: thecpt: The problem is people put the first one way up on a pedestal, and ignorantly lump the second one with the third one.

No offense but I truly am not sure I can think of anything more pathetic than a Matrix fanboy, in 2012, who spends his days desperately arguing that the second film was some great movie. To quote Rilke: YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR LIFE


No i'm a fan of movies in general. I spend a lot of time watching them, finding them, and sometimes making them. That is a film I love style-wise and story wise. I think it doesn't get the credit it deserves. Sorry if I entertain myself by talking about my interests in a thread where it comes up. But by all means feel better about yourself for calling what I enjoy doing pathetic. I'm debating them without name calling, and I'm interested in hearing what other people thought of movies.

/I know, welcome to Fark or something
 
2012-07-13 12:05:11 PM  

gunga galunga: thecpt: The problem is people put the first one way up on a pedestal, and ignorantly lump the second one with the third one.

I'll say this for the second one. They wisely ditched Tank for that guy from Lost.

/Tank always annoyed the crap out of me
//and WTF was up with that "PUHHH!" sound he makes after kiling Cypher?


Holy crap that was Michael! Someone pointed out his ladyfriend's friend was the woman from Suits, when I was watching the marathon last weekend.
 
2012-07-13 12:08:24 PM  
Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.
 
2012-07-13 12:14:14 PM  

thecpt: Sorry if I entertain myself by talking about my interests in a thread where it comes up


i don't know if arguing with people who, by your OWN admission don't even care enough to argue back, about a old and shiatty movie that is almost universally forgotten counts as an "interest."
 
2012-07-13 12:16:12 PM  

Bill Frist: Six_By_Nine: Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.

Avengers was Generic Superhero Action Movie #47.

Totally fine popcorn flick, but nothing remotely interesting, unique, inventive, or well executed about it.


I won't argue with unique or inventive, but if you didn't think it was well executed for what it was we must've seen different movies. And it was definitely interesting in the sense of visual treats. It was the definition of a well executed big budget summer flick.
 
2012-07-13 12:17:46 PM  

thecpt: I keep trying to make my case for reloaded as the best in that series. Here's how the argument goes:
Me: I like reloaded the best
Other Person: OMG the sequels are shiat
Me: No the third one is. The second installment raised great questions and had some of the best action sequences of any movie ever. Plus they built a highway for that scene.
OP: ...

They never have a response


I still can't get over the fact that one of the central pillars of your argument for Matrix 2, which you've been honing over years of debate and thought, is that "they built a highway."

I think I'd be left in stunned silence at such banal absurdity myself.
 
2012-07-13 12:17:48 PM  

gunga galunga: Bill Frist: oh and:

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is the 3rd film in a series and farking fantastic.

Goldfinger, the 3rd of the Bond series, is my favorite. Even if parts of it are farking ridiculous.

"Hi, I'm Auric Goldfinger. I gathered you all around to show you this expensive and meticulously-detailed model that even rises up from out the floor so I can share my elaborate plan to rob Fort Knox. Having spent the time and money to do that, I'm going to gas all of you."


"Except for the lone dissenter, who I'll hand a bunch of gold and then have him killed in his car. And... then I'll crush the car with the gold still inside, and have to go to a LOT of trouble to extract it again, and what was the point in crushing it at all if I'm just going to have all the evidence trucked right back to my mansion to be unfolded and dribble yucky bits everywhere?"

It's a great movie, but yeah... There's some major head scratchers in that one.
 
2012-07-13 12:19:49 PM  

Electromax: Bill Frist: Six_By_Nine: Alphax: Well, yeah, the Avengers already came out..

An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.

Avengers was Generic Superhero Action Movie #47.

Totally fine popcorn flick, but nothing remotely interesting, unique, inventive, or well executed about it.

I won't argue with unique or inventive, but if you didn't think it was well executed for what it was we must've seen different movies. And it was definitely interesting in the sense of visual treats. It was the definition of a well executed big budget summer flick.


I guess I'd allow "well executed." I did say it was a fine big budget popcorn flick. What I meant is that there wasn't anything particularly notable about its execution (Ruffalo and Downey Jr. were good, but the rest of the acting was pretty blah.... no real memorable action scenes... art design was pretty generic, especially for the aliens, etc.)
 
2012-07-13 12:23:04 PM  
Catwoman always sucks. She's just an excuse to have a chick in tight clothing, making bad "pussy" puns and saying cliche, silly stuff like "Meow" and "Cat got your tongue?"

I've always found her to be a waste of a character in movies or TV shows. She's always boiled down to the lowest, most base aspects of her character.

I'd much rather have seen someone useful, like Batwoman, Oracle or Huntress.
 
2012-07-13 12:25:32 PM  

Six_By_Nine: I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"


Because her Catwoman was just as cheesball, corny, cliche, sexist, and stupid as every other televised and cinematic version of the character?

Face it: You liked the costume and the body, not the character. Catwoman sucks in any live-action form.
 
2012-07-13 12:28:11 PM  

Bill Frist: thecpt: Sorry if I entertain myself by talking about my interests in a thread where it comes up

i don't know if arguing with people who, by your OWN admission don't even care enough to argue back, about a old and shiatty movie that is almost universally forgotten counts as an "interest."


Have no clue what you're talking about here. A couple of people have stated what they thought of it in this thread. Soooo, no? And I believe what I put was about what happens IRL, and that I respected Fark counter arguments
 
2012-07-13 12:31:18 PM  

Bill Frist: thecpt: I keep trying to make my case for reloaded as the best in that series. Here's how the argument goes:
Me: I like reloaded the best
Other Person: OMG the sequels are shiat
Me: No the third one is. The second installment raised great questions and had some of the best action sequences of any movie ever. Plus they built a highway for that scene.
OP: ...

They never have a response

I still can't get over the fact that one of the central pillars of your argument for Matrix 2, which you've been honing over years of debate and thought, is that "they built a highway."

I think I'd be left in stunned silence at such banal absurdity myself.


I work in construction and love movies. This is a rarity that they cross over on a grand scale. Having 2 miles of Freeway built specifically for a movie is really cool as a factoid. I find it genuinely impressive. Like if you talk about Spiderman 1 with Tobey. When the tray flies in the cafeteria and he catches each food item with MJ in his arms, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. No special effects or tricks. Its genuinely cool.
 
2012-07-13 12:38:01 PM  

Vash The Stampede: Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.


Yeah, I wonder how many people will be disappointed with the movie just because of the speculation about JGL, when it turns out he's not Robin, a new Batman, or Azrael. He's Gordon's protege and doesn't factor in all that much to the overall plot.
 
2012-07-13 12:45:02 PM  
Jim Carrey's Riddler wasn't The Riddler-- He was the Mad Hatter crossed with the Joker and Ace Ventura.

Danny DeVito's Penguin wasn't The Penguin-- He was a sicko, slobbering, crude, flippered freak that bore little resemblance to the sophisticated Mr. Cobblepot of the comics, and was a bit more like Louie from Taxi after an industrial accident.

The author of TFA is obviously high on banana peels and blueberry incense.
 
2012-07-13 12:50:08 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Vash The Stampede: Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.

Yeah, I wonder how many people will be disappointed with the movie just because of the speculation about JGL, when it turns out he's not Robin, a new Batman, or Azrael. He's Gordon's protege and doesn't factor in all that much to the overall plot.


But i thought the trailers have shown every scene in the movie already and given away the entire plot?!


dancindan84: Cyno01: 4. Catwoman is a complex character, shes been done a dozen different ways in the comics, the only person to really compare Hathaway to would be Kidman

Uhh... Did you mean Michelle Pfeiffer? Kidman played Dr. Chase Meridian the psychiatrist.


Yes.

Cyno01: Sooooo much fail. And im sorta drunk, so im going to go through everything thats wrong with the article.

 
2012-07-13 01:07:37 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Six_By_Nine: I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"

Because her Catwoman was just as cheesball, corny, cliche, sexist, and stupid as every other televised and cinematic version of the character?

Face it: You liked the costume and the body, not the character. Catwoman sucks in any live-action form.


Face it: You don't like the character, so no portrayal of her will ever please you. Catwoman has always been corny, cliche and sexist, because it's damn near impossible to find any comic book character that isn't. Tight outfits, incredible physiques, and childish innuendo are expected standards of the medium. (Unless it's a recent work by Alan Moore, in which case the outfits are off and the innuendo is replaced with straight-up porn.)
 
2012-07-13 01:20:29 PM  

Cyno01: But i thought the trailers have shown every scene in the movie already and given away the entire plot?!


A lot of info about JGL's role has been made public and none of it points towards him being anything besides a rookie cop who works closely with Gordon. The only reason people keep saying he's the new Batman is because the villian is Bane and so everyone thinks they're going to see "Knightfall." It's not going to happen.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
My prediction: Wayne has not been Batman in 8 years, and when Bane arrives he is still reluctant to take up the mantle again. So when he finally does, being 8 years out of practice has made him slow and unable to handle Bane's meticulously planned onslaught. He gets his ass throughly handed to him, but since Bane doesn't kill him his defeat only serves to ignite a fire in him to reclaim his role as Gotham's protector.. He escapes, becomes refocused and reenergized, and leads the GCPD in an all out war that ends in Bane being defeated and Batman "retiring."
 
2012-07-13 01:26:34 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Vash The Stampede: Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.

Yeah, I wonder how many people will be disappointed with the movie just because of the speculation about JGL, when it turns out he's not Robin, a new Batman, or Azrael. He's Gordon's protege and doesn't factor in all that much to the overall plot.


This. Nolan is good at making the plot go in a different (yet still satisfying) direction from what you think will happen. Plus, I've heard JGL gets killed, anyway. But speculation is just speculation.
 
2012-07-13 01:30:45 PM  

Vash The Stampede: Cyno01: But i thought the trailers have shown every scene in the movie already and given away the entire plot?!

A lot of info about JGL's role has been made public and none of it points towards him being anything besides a rookie cop who works closely with Gordon. The only reason people keep saying he's the new Batman is because the villian is Bane and so everyone thinks they're going to see "Knightfall." It's not going to happen.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
My prediction: Wayne has not been Batman in 8 years, and when Bane arrives he is still reluctant to take up the mantle again. So when he finally does, being 8 years out of practice has made him slow and unable to handle Bane's meticulously planned onslaught. He gets his ass throughly handed to him, but since Bane doesn't kill him his defeat only serves to ignite a fire in him to reclaim his role as Gotham's protector.. He escapes, becomes refocused and reenergized, and leads the GCPD in an all out war that ends in Bane being defeated and Batman "retiring."


And this is about the most logical analysis of the plot that I've seen from what the trailers have showed us so far.
 
2012-07-13 02:05:59 PM  

Vash The Stampede: Cyno01: But i thought the trailers have shown every scene in the movie already and given away the entire plot?!

A lot of info about JGL's role has been made public and none of it points towards him being anything besides a rookie cop who works closely with Gordon. The only reason people keep saying he's the new Batman is because the villian is Bane and so everyone thinks they're going to see "Knightfall." It's not going to happen.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
My prediction: Wayne has not been Batman in 8 years, and when Bane arrives he is still reluctant to take up the mantle again. So when he finally does, being 8 years out of practice has made him slow and unable to handle Bane's meticulously planned onslaught. He gets his ass throughly handed to him, but since Bane doesn't kill him his defeat only serves to ignite a fire in him to reclaim his role as Gotham's protector.. He escapes, becomes refocused and reenergized, and leads the GCPD in an all out war that ends in Bane being defeated and Batman "retiring."


Aside from retiring, and some additional fluff with Catwoman, Gordon and so on, you just spoiled the entire movie.

That's my job.
 
2012-07-13 02:21:45 PM  
Having just re-watched the first two again, i have to say that in retrospect (with sophmore errors aside) Batman Begins is a much more enjoyable film than The Dark Knight. At least when re-watching. A lof the DK film is simply boring in review. Also, Batman is more 'Batmanny' in the first film.

I'm sure this will be a fine film, but i would much more prefer it take it's notes from BB and not DK.
 
2012-07-13 02:42:07 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Vash The Stampede: Cyno01: But i thought the trailers have shown every scene in the movie already and given away the entire plot?!

A lot of info about JGL's role has been made public and none of it points towards him being anything besides a rookie cop who works closely with Gordon. The only reason people keep saying he's the new Batman is because the villian is Bane and so everyone thinks they're going to see "Knightfall." It's not going to happen.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
My prediction: Wayne has not been Batman in 8 years, and when Bane arrives he is still reluctant to take up the mantle again. So when he finally does, being 8 years out of practice has made him slow and unable to handle Bane's meticulously planned onslaught. He gets his ass throughly handed to him, but since Bane doesn't kill him his defeat only serves to ignite a fire in him to reclaim his role as Gotham's protector.. He escapes, becomes refocused and reenergized, and leads the GCPD in an all out war that ends in Bane being defeated and Batman "retiring."

And this is about the most logical analysis of the plot that I've seen from what the trailers have showed us so far.


Pretty much all this, plus the latest TV spot shows Bruce visiting the doctor who tells him he has no cartilage in one knee, scar tissue around his kidneys, concussive brain tissue damage...so yeah, he's not in any shape to face Bane, at least the first time around.
 
2012-07-13 03:32:42 PM  

Andrew Wiggin: SpoilerAlert: Test audiences appear to have loved it, even if they were sad with Lucien Fox died, and a little confused when Bane decided to take his own life after he was beaten.

It might not be the best film ever, but it sounds like it will be a good one.

also...snape kills dumbledore, and bruce willis was dead the whole time.


The last season of Moonlighting makes so much more sense now.
 
2012-07-13 04:29:30 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Vash The Stampede: Cyno01: But i thought the trailers have shown every scene in the movie already and given away the entire plot?!

A lot of info about JGL's role has been made public and none of it points towards him being anything besides a rookie cop who works closely with Gordon. The only reason people keep saying he's the new Batman is because the villian is Bane and so everyone thinks they're going to see "Knightfall." It's not going to happen.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
My prediction: Wayne has not been Batman in 8 years, and when Bane arrives he is still reluctant to take up the mantle again. So when he finally does, being 8 years out of practice has made him slow and unable to handle Bane's meticulously planned onslaught. He gets his ass throughly handed to him, but since Bane doesn't kill him his defeat only serves to ignite a fire in him to reclaim his role as Gotham's protector.. He escapes, becomes refocused and reenergized, and leads the GCPD in an all out war that ends in Bane being defeated and Batman "retiring."

And this is about the most logical analysis of the plot that I've seen from what the trailers have showed us so far.


The trailers pretty much scream this synopsis at you. Move right along here folks, this is what is called a story arc. It tells us almost nothing about the guts of the movie.
 
2012-07-13 04:48:42 PM  

coeyagi: The trailers pretty much scream this synopsis at you. Move right along here folks, this is what is called a story arc.



Yeah, that is my point. There is an overwhelming amount of story info already out there about this movie, and none of it points to a "new Batman." My prediction isn't some kind of brilliant deduction, it's stating the obvious that a lot of people seem to be ignoring. People expecting/hoping for a major story shift like a new Batman are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
 
2012-07-13 04:48:57 PM  
What a sorry article. He had 5 "points" but they all kept going to back to the same thing, Tom Hardy as Bane and Heath Ledger as Joker. That website should be erased.
 
2012-07-13 05:45:03 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Six_By_Nine: Kurmudgeon: Imperious Rex!: There's no way it can fail, even with Catwoman.
An ensemble cast =/= complexity and actual plot.

Yeah... Joss Whedon totally has no idea how to do complexity or plot =/


This presumes I believe he's any good at that sort of thing. I don't think he is. And I thought the Avengers was a great big pile of suck.
 
2012-07-13 05:48:38 PM  

Madbassist1: Besides, no one has filled out the Catsuit as well as Anne Hathaway since Julie Newmar and Lee Meriweather.

Michelle Pfeiffer?

I see Anne Hathaway in the commercials and I keep thinking "why couldn't they get Michelle Pfeiffer back for this?"


Dude...pay more attention. Pfeiffer is skinny and flat chested. Always has been, with watery eyes...meh. Hathaway is a true friggin corn fed American beauty. Pfeiffer is a good actress, I guess, but looks wise? They arent even in the same league. Never were. Don't believe me? Rewatch Scarface and pay attention to her.


Anne Hathaway strikes me as a funny looking little girl playing dress-up. The kind of teenage girl who just discovered she had curves and decided to show them off, but doesn't really know how.

Fine, Nolan wants a Catwoman, great. He should have picked someone for the role that wasn't cutesy and baby-voiced. That's why I miss Pfeiffer.

Jesus, people. The problem with that is what?
 
2012-07-13 05:52:53 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Test audiences appear to have loved it, even if they were sad with Lucien Fox died, and a little confused when Bane decided to take his own life after he was beaten.

It might not be the best film ever, but it sounds like it will be a good one.


You farker, how about a spoiler alert next time?
 
2012-07-13 08:37:06 PM  

slayer199: Orgasmatron138: Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2 come to mind.

They were both the 2nd movies in the series.

Terminator 3 was meh, and Return of the Jedi was good but not better than Empire.


2nd films in good trilogies are usually the best because they are usually the darkest.

T3 wasn't really a trilogy as it wasn't planned or written as a unified story.
 
2012-07-14 01:10:11 AM  
I trust Nolan. He hasn't done wrong by me yet. Inception probably my least favorite, Memento probably my most.
 
2012-07-14 12:20:36 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Vash The Stampede: Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.

Yeah, I wonder how many people will be disappointed with the movie just because of the speculation about JGL, when it turns out he's not Robin, a new Batman, or Azrael. He's Gordon's protege and doesn't factor in all that much to the overall plot.


You are a complete asshole. Are you that much a loser in your day to day life that you take pleasure in ruining things for other people just for the hell of it?
 
2012-07-14 02:02:50 PM  

Madbassist1: SpoilerAlert: Vash The Stampede: Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.

Yeah, I wonder how many people will be disappointed with the movie just because of the speculation about JGL, when it turns out he's not Robin, a new Batman, or Azrael. He's Gordon's protege and doesn't factor in all that much to the overall plot.

You are a complete asshole. Are you that much a loser in your day to day life that you take pleasure in ruining things for other people just for the hell of it?


At least I'm up front about it, unlike Miranda Tate when you find out she's really Talia and been playing Bruce the whole time.
 
2012-07-15 12:54:11 AM  

gunga galunga: jj325: It's about time Citizen Kane and Godfather got knocked down a peg

Shut your whore mouth about Citizen Kane.

But, yeah, The Godfather is overrated. It's damn good movie, but even for the genre, I think Goodfellas and Miller's Crossing are better.


It insists upon itself Lois
 
2012-07-15 01:29:53 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Madbassist1: SpoilerAlert: Vash The Stampede: Quite frankly, I can't wait for the movie to come out just so people will stop speculating that JGL is going to be the "new Batman" by the end of the movie.

Yeah, I wonder how many people will be disappointed with the movie just because of the speculation about JGL, when it turns out he's not Robin, a new Batman, or Azrael. He's Gordon's protege and doesn't factor in all that much to the overall plot.

You are a complete asshole. Are you that much a loser in your day to day life that you take pleasure in ruining things for other people just for the hell of it?

At least I'm up front about it, unlike Miranda Tate when you find out she's really Talia and been playing Bruce the whole time.


How charming.
 
2012-07-15 05:53:59 AM  
"I suppose you're only familiar with the new Batman movies. Anne Hathaway? Ha! The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt. And I didn't need molded plastic to improve my physique. Pure. West. And why doesn't Batman dance anymore? Remember the Batusi?" (starts dancing)
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