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2012-07-12 10:46:14 PM
99% of the time I'd rather save the sales tax money, given a choice. But yeah, even adding sales tax to Amazon won't save the brick-and-mortar retailers. Shopping is a hassle.
 
2012-07-12 10:59:33 PM

Triumph: Shopping is a hassle.


Having items in my hand before I buy them is not obsolete. So many times I'd like to see what it is that I'm buying before I commit to something based on pictures.
 
2012-07-12 11:01:33 PM
My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.

/also, I'm a pretty big Amazon customer
//virgule virgule
 
2012-07-12 11:08:16 PM

jaylectricity: Having items in my hand before I buy them is not obsolete. So many times I'd like to see what it is that I'm buying before I commit to something based on pictures.


Sure - I get that. But there's buying a new couch and popping off to Staples for more printer ink. Most things we buy are familiar.
 
2012-07-12 11:12:02 PM

Grables'Daughter: My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.

/also, I'm a pretty big Amazon customer
//virgule virgule


Solidus
 
2012-07-12 11:14:05 PM

bighoss: Solidus


Wat
 
2012-07-12 11:31:18 PM
Solidus is another name for a virgule.

:)
 
2012-07-12 11:37:53 PM

Grables'Daughter: My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.

/also, I'm a pretty big Amazon customer
//virgule virgule


I replaced a physically broken HDMI cable for dad. He's the kind of guy who really doesn't understand or care what's going on behind the TV/sound system as long as it's expensive and working.

I was given instructions to pick up the same or similar high dollar cable. I bought a generic one on Amazon (monoprice is also good) for $2.53, and it wasn't even the cheapest one. I never asked for a reimbursement of what he thought was probably $70 and he didn't mention it because he figured he had already spent enough money feeding my ass for 18 years.The switch was made almost two years ago, and I've yet to receive a phone call wondering why it doesn't match the rest of his rat's nest of overpriced crap purchased at Best Buy after getting a decent deal on the actual AV gear. I've sort of been waiting for the call, but it never comes.

I know this isn't an HDMI cable thread, but I'm drunk and feel like ranting about these rip-offs. Something tells me that when he finds out he'll invent some story about how he noticed the lesser quality all along, but couldn't put his finger on it.

What's funny is that I am kind of an audiophile douchebag (yes, I listen to jazz...on vinyl!). I believe in quality equipment and would rather not listen at all than to hear it through sh*tty gear. But cables? Especially digital ones? C'mon, man.

/will probably be timed-out for threadjacking, sorry
 
2012-07-12 11:53:50 PM
I got Prime not too long ago and I have to admit, it is pretty awesome. As long as you place the order Monday-Wednesday morning, that is. Otherwise it gets stuck in weekend limbo. I'm sure it's different for people closer to a warehouse but where I'm at in Houston, you got 3 days before it gets stuck. The Prime price usually matches up with the lower price plus shipping and handling so whatever.

But I don't want brick and mortar stores to go away. If you're troubleshooting a living room audio setup, it's pretty handy being able to shoot off to a store for the required part rather than waiting two days to find out if the part you ordered is really what you needed. I'll keep using Prime for books/games/Blu-Rays and just jet off to Fry's if I need something electrical.
 
2012-07-13 12:13:13 AM

Grables'Daughter: My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.


To be fair, the $.71 cable probably isn't anywhere near the quality (in terms of workmanship/longevity) as the $40 cable. You'd need to buy one of the $3 cables to do that.
 
2012-07-13 12:20:42 AM
"Physical retailers will be hosed."
Good

blah blah small, local, blah blah blah

I like amazon and this idea because LESS people will be clogging the road for shopping.
Trucks delivering items to peoples' houses are tons more efficient than million of people going to the store.
TADA - less pollution, less accident risk to me, more time to me for other stuff, less time in stores with morons, and so on.

And if you don't like it, you dont need to shop there, same as wal-mart, buy-more, whatever.
 
2012-07-13 12:23:38 AM
shopping offline isn't really "instant"-it takes time to get in the car, go to the store, find what you want, stand in line, and drive back home. Getting something shipped to your house offers gratification that's even more instant: Order something in the morning and get it later in the day, without doing anything else. Why would you ever shop anywhere else?

Because I like clothes that fit?
Because I don't want to buy pancake syrup by the case lot?
Because IKEA has meatballs?
 
2012-07-13 12:30:01 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I don't want to buy pancake syrup by the case lot?


You...you sicken me.

/swigs from "Big Gulp" of Mrs. Butterworth's
 
2012-07-13 12:35:39 AM

jaylectricity: Triumph: Shopping is a hassle.

Having items in my hand before I buy them is not obsolete. So many times I'd like to see what it is that I'm buying before I commit to something based on pictures.


And for those items, you will still go to the store. But ... When I buy my staple groceries from Peapod, I sure as hell dont need to waste time, energy, and patience by going to a store and dealing with mouth breaking cretins. TADA. Comes to me at my convenience.
 
2012-07-13 12:37:51 AM

bighoss: Solidus is another name for a virgule.

:)


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2012-07-13 12:40:35 AM

ShawnDoc: Grables'Daughter: My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.

To be fair, the $.71 cable probably isn't anywhere near the quality (in terms of workmanship/longevity) as the $40 cable. You'd need to buy one of the $3 cables to do that.


Or buy 10 of the 71¢ cables and throw out the cables as they go bad.
 
2012-07-13 12:43:07 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because I like clothes that fit?
Because I don't want to buy pancake syrup by the case lot?
Because IKEA has meatballs?


sure, but socks, belts and underwear? meh, online shopping forever
I have been buying my court shoes online for over a decade. They always fit, same brand, same size. blah blah blah

Levis and shorts? and t-shirts? same thing

can argue about the syrup, except, have you checked amazon prices?? ;-)

sigh - I WISH there were an Ikea near me....
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm meatballs
/wait, that doesnt sounds right
 
2012-07-13 12:45:11 AM
So will wholesale prices go retail or vice versa?
 
2012-07-13 12:50:59 AM

jaylectricity: So will wholesale prices go retail or vice versa?


You real question is how will this effect the poor little wholesaler?!! How will he survive if he cant jack up the prices to the retailer?!
 
2012-07-13 12:55:02 AM
I've had a couple of surprise next-day deliveries using Amazon Prime. I ordered some coffee beans last Friday and my options were free delivery on Tuesday, $4 delivery on Monday, or $9 delivery on Saturday. I opted for the free Tuesday delivery but it arrived on Saturday anyway.

I don't see same-day delivery from Amazon as the death of the local, indie record store but I do see it as the death of Best Buy. I will not mourn the death of Best Buy.
 
2012-07-13 01:42:49 AM

pizen: I opted for the free Tuesday delivery but it arrived on Saturday anyway.


The delivery times can be faster than expected if you live near enough to one of their main distribution centers and it has what you ordered.
 
2012-07-13 01:43:38 AM
We have no sales tax in Oregon, so this is nothing but win for me.
 
2012-07-13 01:47:35 AM

namatad: ShawnDoc: Grables'Daughter: My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.

To be fair, the $.71 cable probably isn't anywhere near the quality (in terms of workmanship/longevity) as the $40 cable. You'd need to buy one of the $3 cables to do that.

Or buy 10 of the 71¢ cables and throw out the cables as they go bad.


Welcome to America.
 
2012-07-13 01:49:38 AM
Sadly, I suspect the people working in all those new warehouses will continue to be treated like crap.
 
2012-07-13 01:50:50 AM
Local retail can bite my ass. It's getting to the point where a trip to the store is frustrating because simple things just aren't in the store any more.

For example, my wife uses Woolite for hand washing her delicates, and she's bought it for years with no incident. Suddenly, EVERY local retailer isn't carrying it any more. Not Target, not Fred Meyer, not the local grocery. All they have is the big bottles laundry detergent designed for HE machines, and there isn't even a tag on the shelf to indicate it is out of stock. After a fruitless trip around town trying to figure out who still sells it, we eventually just wound up buying a case of 4 bottles of it at Amazon.

If the retail stores aren't selling basic stuff like that any more, what is the point of them? I can understand something hard to find, but it shouldn't be an adventure to try to find damn Woolite.
 
2012-07-13 01:51:17 AM

pizen: I've had a couple of surprise next-day deliveries using Amazon Prime. I ordered some coffee beans last Friday and my options were free delivery on Tuesday, $4 delivery on Monday, or $9 delivery on Saturday. I opted for the free Tuesday delivery but it arrived on Saturday anyway.

I don't see same-day delivery from Amazon as the death of the local, indie record store but I do see it as the death of Best Buy. I will not mourn the death of Best Buy.


Sometimes I wonder how they make money on some of my orders. I have Prime and sometimes I've had $10-15 orders arrive the next day. Or I'll place an order for a $5 item, and Amazon will ship it by two day delivery.


I've ordered some clothes though Amazon. A nice leather jacket at a great price, and another fall jacket. For things like t-shirts and dress shirts, online pics are good enough, some things I don't need to try on.


Amazon gets a lot of my business for digital books, movies, music, electronic items and other things I might normally buy at Target or Best Buy. The prices are just too good, even if they add on tax. I'm even shock that sometimes they have better prices on computer equipment than NewEgg.

 
2012-07-13 01:51:51 AM
Brick & mortar will last as long as women have a gathering instinct.

Forever IOW.
 
2012-07-13 01:52:27 AM

Rufus Lee King: Amazons? Me like.

[www.artmagick.com image 640x359]


No.

Like me.

www.ogeeku.com
 
2012-07-13 01:54:00 AM

ShawnDoc: To be fair, the $.71 cable probably isn't anywhere near the quality (in terms of workmanship/longevity) as the $40 cable. You'd need to buy one of the $3 cables to do that.


Computer/TV cables really don't go bad under normal circumstances in my experience, unless you run over them with a vacuum or the cat gnaws on them.For the digital cables especially, either they work or the don't and once you plug them up you generally don't touch them again unless you are swapping things out, so quality of workmanship isn't really that big of an issue.
 
2012-07-13 01:54:57 AM
Got an email this year letting me know how much tax I needed to pay for my purchases last year. Amazon just "suggested" that I might want to pay for it.

They're building one of those warehouses here in Nashville. The state wouldn't let them build it unless they started collecting sales tax to be "fair" for local retailers.

Not sure what I'm going to do. I buy from time to time from Amazon, but I'm not happy about the tax thing. Guess I'll have to look a little harder on the web for deals now.
 
2012-07-13 01:55:08 AM
Newegg has been doing this for a while, at a charge.
 
2012-07-13 01:58:11 AM
Amazon is so much more convenient than shopping in person. I don't need to wade down aisles of crap I don't want to find the thing I do want. The suggested impulse purchases are at least things that some algorithm figured I'd be interested in. No parking lots. No waiting in line for the privilege of paying.

And it's more democratic. I sell stuff on Amazon. It's super easy. I actually think it's better than ebay, though you can't sell nearly as many things.
 
2012-07-13 01:59:53 AM
Same day takes too long.
 
2012-07-13 02:02:37 AM
namatad : Or buy 10 of the 71¢ cables and throw out the cables as they go bad.

Ahh, but sometimes they go bad because the sheathe material decays, so they would all go bad at once.

// like the rubber sheathe on guitar hero footpedals.
 
2012-07-13 02:03:37 AM
there's a source for everything and a smart shopper knows... monoprice, newegg, amazon, ebay for things where warranty isn't an issue...

went to best buy with the intention of spending a gift card i have. bastards were out of any speaker that would fit my truck. their demo board didn't represent what was actually available. nothing was priced... clusterfark. salesgirl was smokin hot though... i'll go to another BB in a few days and add as little cash as possible to whatever i buy on the giftcard. then--good riddance BB.
 
2012-07-13 02:05:50 AM
jaylectricity: Having items in my hand before I buy them is not obsolete.

For me, it depends heavily on what the item is, and what the item costs.

EX, I really don't have any reason to hold computer components (Hard Drives, Ram, SSDs, Optical Drives, etc) in my hand before buying them.

OTOH, I bought my pair of LCD monitors in a B&M Store (and went through a few before I got a pair where the color was spot on between the two).
 
2012-07-13 02:06:43 AM

lordargent: namatad : Or buy 10 of the 71¢ cables and throw out the cables as they go bad.

Ahh, but sometimes they go bad because the sheathe material decays, so they would all go bad at once.

// like the rubber sheathe on guitar hero footpedals.


Never had that happen. Must have gotten lucky with the cheap cables. Of course, lately I've been stocking up on the Amazon Basics HDMI+ethernet cables whenever they run them on sale.
 
2012-07-13 02:08:01 AM
I am left wondering how all of this can even be profitable - not just to Amazon, but to the manufacturers and primary distributors, even though I know alot of electronic goods are overpriced (digital camera battery? 50 dollars at store. 20 dollars brandname online, 3pack for 12 dollars random Hong Kong dude)

Also in the crowd of those who like to "feel" some of the things i buy first. Purchasing a keyboard and mouse is one of those things I am fickle about.

csb
Upon wanting to replace my previous keyboard I went around half a dozen stores looking for the elusive perfect one. Didn't find it but settled on the Saitek Eclipse II. Fat finger syndrome means I need non-slip keys, deeper presses, empty space between keys, well defined and easy to reach F# keys. Also needed backlightning. Multimedia keys could be better though.
 
2012-07-13 02:09:23 AM
Unless it's one of my favorite authors, I usually always buy the used books off Amazon. They're incredibly cheap, usually $1-$3, plus shipping, and in good condittion. I'd like to think that I'm helping some local book store move their product, but they're probably also just warehouses that have been absorbed by Amazon's network...
 
2012-07-13 02:14:01 AM
I live about a 5-10 minute bus ride from Walmart but still order shiat from their online store.
/That said I will still catch the bus for about 30 minutes to go to Microcenter or Tigerdirect
 
2012-07-13 02:17:18 AM

Grables'Daughter: My mom bought an HDMI cable from Walmart last year.

I hate Walmart, by the way.

Anyway, she paid $40 for a six-foot cable.

I found one on Amazon for her.

It was 71¢.

Yep. Plus $3 shipping, but still. 71¢.

/also, I'm a pretty big Amazon customer
//virgule virgule


I won't make any comments about your girth, but if you shop amazon often, you should join amazon prime...free shipping! And, it lets you check out a free book per month on the kindle. And it opens up a lot of free movies and shows on their video service. The shipping alone is well worth it though, if you buy stuff there lots.
 
2012-07-13 02:17:26 AM
Wasn't there a company in the early 2000's who tried this? I want to say it was called cosmo.com or something. CSB time.

I was working for ZDTV at the time. There was the host of one of the shows who ordered a single 59 cent candy bar from them daily to make a point that it was a stupid business model.

/not really CSB
 
2012-07-13 02:18:06 AM

Eps05: I am left wondering how all of this can even be profitable - not just to Amazon, but to the manufacturers and primary distributors, even though I know alot of electronic goods are overpriced (digital camera battery? 50 dollars at store. 20 dollars brandname online, 3pack for 12 dollars random Hong Kong dude)

Also in the crowd of those who like to "feel" some of the things i buy first. Purchasing a keyboard and mouse is one of those things I am fickle about.

csb
Upon wanting to replace my previous keyboard I went around half a dozen stores looking for the elusive perfect one. Didn't find it but settled on the Saitek Eclipse II. Fat finger syndrome means I need non-slip keys, deeper presses, empty space between keys, well defined and easy to reach F# keys. Also needed backlightning. Multimedia keys could be better though.


How is it profitable? Well, consider this: the company I used to work for sold widgets to grocery stores. This company was a middle man, sometimes not even buying from the manufacturer and instead from another middle man. Our grocery store cost was 60% of the retail price(which we labeled on the products), so the grocery store was selling the product at a large markup, while we were making plenty of profit on the widget(I was told this is more or less a standard pricing strategy). So not getting in to the resellers on Amazon, you're talking about 40% cut off from the top for the middleman to make profit, and in this case Amazon is the middleman while also being the storefront, so they can eat that 40% all day and come out on top.
 
2012-07-13 02:18:34 AM
Mad_Radhu: Never had that happen. Must have gotten lucky with the cheap cables.

I've been having trouble finding a decent set of blue SATA cables with angled connectors.

I added another drive to the array, and the company that made the first set of cables I bought (which rocked), went cheapo on their current cables (which suck).

To the point where it made me write an Amazon review for the first time.
 
2012-07-13 02:21:52 AM
CNET

Answered my own question! see #3.
 
2012-07-13 02:22:45 AM
media.tumblr.com

If this is how amazon's going to do deliveries, I'm ok with it
 
2012-07-13 02:28:26 AM
For the California 10% sales tax (near enough in my area), I'll just order from J&R electronics. Used them before Amazon came to be, used them a few times in the last 15 years, will use them a lot more now.

I'm ok at waiting 3-4 days to save 10% on my order. Hell, I'd rather pay FedEx than give the same money to the idiots in Sacramento.
 
2012-07-13 02:32:09 AM

Ass_Master_Flash: Wasn't there a company in the early 2000's who tried this? I want to say it was called cosmo.com or something. CSB time.


kozmo.com. I was a big fan.
 
2012-07-13 02:32:16 AM
Snotnose: For the California 10% sales tax (near enough in my area),

yep

"California has a statewide sales tax of 8.25%. Municipalities are allowed to assess a local sales tax up to 9.25%"
 
2012-07-13 02:32:46 AM

Eps05: I am left wondering how all of this can even be profitable - not just to Amazon, but to the manufacturers and primary distributors, even though I know alot of electronic goods are overpriced (digital camera battery? 50 dollars at store. 20 dollars brandname online, 3pack for 12 dollars random Hong Kong dude)

Also in the crowd of those who like to "feel" some of the things i buy first. Purchasing a keyboard and mouse is one of those things I am fickle about.

csb
Upon wanting to replace my previous keyboard I went around half a dozen stores looking for the elusive perfect one. Didn't find it but settled on the Saitek Eclipse II. Fat finger syndrome means I need non-slip keys, deeper presses, empty space between keys, well defined and easy to reach F# keys. Also needed backlightning. Multimedia keys could be better though.


All of the people doing the actual work in the warehouses are being paid near minimum wage and told to keep up productivity or they'll lose what little income they have. That keeps things moving quickly. Plus, just about anyone can actually do the shipping jobs with little to no training, so turnover isn't a huge issue, and in fact might be a bonus since long-term employees getting raises and wanting benefits won't be such an issue.

/Just remember that every time you want something cheap, quick and free, it still has to be done by a person, who would like to eat some time this month.
 
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