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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   Santa Monica: You can't smoke, you're near a building. Smoker: Oh, OK. I'll just go down to the park. SM: Can't smoke in the park either. Smoker: Beach? SM: Nope. Smoker: All-right fine... I'll just go home. SM: About that   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 239
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2012-07-13 12:12:34 PM

Bongo Blue: Most voters in CA are in favor of this. So the nanny state comments are kinda off the mark.
I am from San Diego and go visit every couple years. I was smoking in Balboa Park, away from everybody and some cranky old man walks by "no smoking in the park!"
lucky me.
Back in NM where cigarette smoke is low on the list on dying.
Just tax the hell out of beer already!


Blasphemy!!!!
 
2012-07-13 12:15:26 PM

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2012-07-13 09:04:26 AM

Onkel Buck: so let me get this see if I have this right. When it comes to gay marriage you want the government to stay out of your bedroom, but when it comes to smoking and trans fats, salt, and Big Gulps you have no problem with government coming into your home to regulate that?

Yes because gay marriage is as harmful as heterosexual marriage and does not lead to cancer. So you just cant be slective in bannng it. Smoking , sugar and fat increases chances of heart attack, cancer and diabetes leading to more healthcare costs. You are welcome!


So does eating to much and becoming overweight. Want the govt. to tell you how much you can eat?

Where does it end?


No, I don't want them to tell me what to do but if they do I don't have problem with that. I will understand because being overweight is biggest problem in USA right now and believe it or not we are all paying for it. I certainly won't biatch about how government is "forcing" me to live healthy. I do feel government has no business telling people what to do but I know and understand the justification for few things (like dont drive drunk. You want people to run you over while drunk?). I will follow whatever the law is.

On a side not if you are all for keeping government out no matter what, I hope you are pro-choice and pro-gay-marriage as well.
 
2012-07-13 12:18:02 PM

GBB: dorkpixie: Top floor of apartment complexes could be smoking...as an idea....

What?? No. I'm a non-smoker and I like the top floor; don't have to listen to the stampede of kids and fatties. If anything, entire apartment buildings (in a multi-building complex) need to be non-smoking. I don't want to smell it wafting up from your apartment, and I don't want your butts all over the breezeway.

If you can't control your addiction, then you need help.

I like cookies and sweets, but I don't need a 15 minute cookie break every 2 hours, I don't get crabby when I don't have a cookie, I don't have a cookie when I'm stressed or nervous, and I don't bum cookies off friends.

And I have yet to find one person that smokes an occaisonal cigerette. They are either all-in, or abstinent.


I smoke the occasional cigarette. Well I guess it depends on what you mean by occasional. I'll go days without, have one or up to four. I rarely smoke during the day, and I don't get antsy.

/This is also how I consume cookies, and yes I will beg cookies off of friends if they have a bunch.
 
2012-07-13 12:28:00 PM

Andrew Wiggin: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 333x500]


I hope none of that gets in her eyes. I hear that stings something fierce.
 
2012-07-13 12:32:59 PM

stewbert: timujin: basemetal:

Yeah, that'll help.

Stupid as what Santa Monica is doing is, that is an old picture of L.A., and probably tinted a little as well. Things looked like that in the 80's, you can see it in the movies filmed back then like in Beverly Hills Cop, but it's not like that now. We get some, but the most common thing occluding the sky these days is the marine layer.

I heard the farking smogs the farking reason you have such beautiful farking sunsets.


It was, we don't really get those anymore.
 
2012-07-13 12:58:10 PM
If I want no smells from the outside world the enter my apartment, isn't that my responsibility then to seal up my apartment? Do I get to make a law that says noone is allowed to cook fried chicken because I can smell it in my apartment?
 
2012-07-13 01:05:08 PM
Santa Monica: "Sir, you're in front of a building, you can't smoke here"

Me: "Piss off".
 
2012-07-13 01:08:21 PM

Egoy3k: Splinshints: Egoy3k: Smokers are no more horrible than any other type of person

Wrong.

Although, I'll grant you that bicyclists are almost as bad. Same bullshiat "I should be allowed to do whatever I want wherever I want and whenever I want without accepting any responsibility for any of it" attitude, they just don't apply it quite as extensively as smokers.

Splinshints: When's the last time you saw some idiot chuck a cigar nub out a car window on the highway? When's the last time you saw some idiot dump cigar ash on the curb in the parking lot? When's the last time you got stuck standing next to some idiot on the sidewalk creating a big ball of cigar smoke around everyone else?

You know what? When I smoke a cigar I generally try to be as unobtrusive as possible but if I were ever in the same area as you I'd do my best to blow all my smoke in your face, butt out my stogie on your forehead and deposit the butt in your car.

You don't notice decent smokers because they don't annoy you. Generalizations are stupid and generalizing all smokers as evil makes you appear to be a spoiled brat rather than someone with a point of view worth listening to. Hyperbole isn't a useful debate tactic unless you are a congressional candidate and have effectively lowered the intelligence of the debate to the point when being a dick is expected.

Where I work the smokers go outside on their breaks and where they stand is a disgusting wasteland of butts and wrappers and gum. It's downright embarrassing to the company and it drives me up the wall. It's to the point were I'm considering advocating a ban on all smoking on company property. Here is the problem with that, there are orders of magnitude more wrappers, butts, and gum in the garbage and butt trays than there are on the ground. The vast majority of smokers are considerate and use the facilities properly.


Worked retail many years.
Had trashcan in front of store.
Took it to the back to empty.
Customer needed assistance. Then another.
Hours later returned empty trashcan.
People had piled garbage where they thought the trashcan should be.
I loathe the masses.
 
2012-07-13 01:13:48 PM

joness0154: dorkpixie: fluffy2097: If there is no market for housing units that are for smokers, there would be no smoking housing units.

I agree that section 8 and public housing of the sort should all be non smoking, but private apartments and houses? They should just make it known that it's a smoking establishment and let the free market take care of if people want to live there or not.

Apartment managers already have a huge incentive to go non smoking. Smokers destroy the apartments they're in. Cleanup takes a lot of work. If there was no market, smoking rooms wouldn't exist.

/All smokers really need are gazebos here and there with ash trays in them. most smokers are perfectly fine to smoke outside, but they wont stand in the rain, you need to give them a roof.

Top floor of apartment complexes could be smoking...as an idea....

Not all smokers smoke in their houses... Case in point; because it is nasty to the rugs, walls, any other fabrics, not to mention the havoc cigarette smoke causes to electronics; I am a smoker of 26 yrs and do not smoke or allow smoking of cigarettes in my home. However, in the winter, we smoke with an exhaust fan in the bathroom; where the walls are easily cleanable and the room can get wiped down regularly. These are some ways that smokers who know the yuckyness factor and the serious issues cigarette smoke can cause to apartments and particularly computers.
I have yet to have a landlord complain as I keep things clean.

/The government should not have so much power over our personal decisions.
//Many smokers do realize the damage smoke can cause and do try to prevent it, so we should be able to find housing without being penalized; that's what a security deposit is for.
///Lack of coffee and nicotine may have tainted this post. But wanted to say something.

Smoking in the bathroom using the exhaust fan is a horrible idea. In older apartments the bathroom exhaust fan ducting may be connected to multiple units.

Had a neighbor in my college apa ...


We installed the exhaust fan in the window; not an exhaust that was pre-installed.
 
2012-07-13 01:13:52 PM
Jennifer Jones - who exercises in her apartment - describes smelling her neighbor's cigarette through the walls and vents.

I've never lived in an apartment complex that shared a/c among the tenants. I don't think I'd like to because, if you can smell cigarette smoke, then you get to smell everything else from farts to nasty cooking. (Thai meals often reek as they're being cooked.

Plus, that also means you get to share airborne bacteria. If someone 4 apartments down has the flue, then chances are, it's filtering through your vents and into your apartment. Smoke a joint in your pad and your neighbor can tell.

I'd consider such an interconnected ventilation system as more of a hazard than a good thing and a cause to worry a whole lot more about things more dangerous than tobacco smoke.
 
2012-07-13 01:14:55 PM
jso2897: It's hilarious to watch the punk righties flip out about this shiat. Guess what, assholes? We've had stupid, intrusive, "nanny-state" laws like this for decades. They are called "drug laws". Either reject the principle, or embrace it. If you allow the banning of crack because it's "bad", and "thugs" use it, then you need to be ready for the day the busybodies come for your booze, guns, and smoke. You asked for it, Brother.

Logic Fail.
 
2012-07-13 01:21:32 PM

b04155: dorkpixie: fluffy2097: If there is no market for housing units that are for smokers, there would be no smoking housing units.

I agree that section 8 and public housing of the sort should all be non smoking, but private apartments and houses? They should just make it known that it's a smoking establishment and let the free market take care of if people want to live there or not.

Apartment managers already have a huge incentive to go non smoking. Smokers destroy the apartments they're in. Cleanup takes a lot of work. If there was no market, smoking rooms wouldn't exist.

/All smokers really need are gazebos here and there with ash trays in them. most smokers are perfectly fine to smoke outside, but they wont stand in the rain, you need to give them a roof.

Top floor of apartment complexes could be smoking...as an idea....

Not all smokers smoke in their houses... Case in point; because it is nasty to the rugs, walls, any other fabrics, not to mention the havoc cigarette smoke causes to electronics; I am a smoker of 26 yrs and do not smoke or allow smoking of cigarettes in my home. However, in the winter, we smoke with an exhaust fan in the bathroom; where the walls are easily cleanable and the room can get wiped down regularly. These are some ways that smokers who know the yuckyness factor and the serious issues cigarette smoke can cause to apartments and particularly computers.
I have yet to have a landlord complain as I keep things clean.

/The government should not have so much power over our personal decisions.
//Many smokers do realize the damage smoke can cause and do try to prevent it, so we should be able to find housing without being penalized; that's what a security deposit is for.
///Lack of coffee and nicotine may have tainted this post. But wanted to say something.

So, you don't want anyone telling you where to smoke because it's your personal right - yet it's okay to blow smoke into another person's personal space that they may not want, thus affect ...


Yea, I give up; non-smokers are insane and too judgemental (funny I am quitting smoking for health reasons and still feel this way); probably all antiabortionists too and believe everyone should be Christian and pray in school.

//I should do what everyone else tells me to do and the government should have the right to tell everyone what they should do with their own lives and bodies. Yup, that's the answer to everything. Helmets for us all.
 
2012-07-13 01:28:08 PM

Joe Blowme: Bongo Blue: Most voters in CA are in favor of this. So the nanny state comments are kinda off the mark.
I am from San Diego and go visit every couple years. I was smoking in Balboa Park, away from everybody and some cranky old man walks by "no smoking in the park!"
lucky me.
Back in NM where cigarette smoke is low on the list on dying.
Just tax the hell out of beer already!

Blasphemy!!!!


odd fact: I found cigarettes to be cheaper in CA!
 
2012-07-13 01:33:48 PM
Jennifer Jones - who exercises in her apartment - describes smelling her neighbor's cigarette through the walls and vents.

You can smell my cigarettes? Well I can smell your snatch... we'll call it even.
 
2012-07-13 01:40:11 PM

belhade: AverageAmericanGuy: Didn't Rush Limbaugh and Denis Leary warn us of this?

Thanks, libs.

prod-assets.mog.com

Told ya so.


He's an a-hole.
(NSFW)
 
2012-07-13 01:47:28 PM
So, renters can't smoke in a rental property unless the rental property is designated as smoking?

Where's the problem?

Smokers don't just cause minor damage to the interior - they greatly increase the risk of property fires. It's not your property, renters.

Property owners who designate their property as non-smoking should be able to enjoy the insurance benefits that would provide, even at the cost of reducing demand for their properties by excluding smokers. Property owners who designate their property as smoking should be able to enjoy the inclusionary rental opportunities that would provide, at the expense of increased insurance costs.
 
2012-07-13 02:11:07 PM

Artcurus: Iv'e repeated this a few times. OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER SECOND HAND SMOKE A THREAT. AGAIN, SECONDHAND SMOKE IS NOT A REAL THREAT This whole smoking ban thing is about a controlling behavior.


Your tinfoil hat might a bit too tight there.
 
2012-07-13 02:20:53 PM
Also, those of you trying to compare this to the government regulating "harmful" foodstuffs, you are morons.

If you can't tell the difference between the government regulating businesses because they're selling harmful products and the government regulating individuals' behavior because it's harmful to the participants, I'm surprised you manage to get dressed each morning without hurting yourselves.
 
2012-07-13 02:21:09 PM

Teufelaffe: Artcurus: Iv'e repeated this a few times. OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER SECOND HAND SMOKE A THREAT. AGAIN, SECONDHAND SMOKE IS NOT A REAL THREAT This whole smoking ban thing is about a controlling behavior.

Your tinfoil hat might a bit too tight there.


Lol

OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER TINFOIL HATS A THREAT. THERE IS A PANCAKE ON MY BUNNY'S HEAD.

/because OSHA was drafted and passed by omnipotent gods, 42 years ago when we knew everything
 
2012-07-13 02:29:38 PM

xanadian: Nanny state, indeed.

People used to smoke ALL THE farkING TIME in the 70s and before. Asthma was just as prevalent then as now. A couple whiffs of distant smoke isn't going to kill *anyone*. Especially any more than dust, smoke (other than cigarettes), exhaust, etc.

I'm a nonsmoker, but holy shiat. This is getting out of control. It's like they're trying to enact a tobacco prohibition one inch at a time.

Maybe they can do that with alcohol, right? You know. For public safety.


No no, if you can even smell the smoke or see it from a distance, you're irreparably damaged by the smoke and have grounds to sue anyone who made smoking that cigarette even remotely possible.

/not a fan of smoking
//even less of Santa Monica. That city is going insane.
 
2012-07-13 03:13:41 PM

slayer199: You give the government more power, this is what happens...the Nanny State.


At least someone else here on Fark gets it.....
 
2012-07-13 03:18:41 PM

fluffy2097: msupf: Then you have to deal with the ashes and butts everywhere, and the possible fire hazards. Apartment complex my SO manages tried a designated smoking area outside, within 3 months it was the trashiest piece of land in town, and with the dry conditions, we've had 3 wildfire threats from that spot (smoldering or burning grass).

Yeah. they require maintenance. You have to clean the ash-trays and the trash cans.

The thing is, all that trash is still on your property, It's now just spread all over the farking place.

good jorb. Well at least if they wont maintain it, then it's good they're just going non smoking entirely. Not that people won't still smoke outside and ash their butts all over your property.


Actually, it's the opposite. The leases clearly stated that tossing cigarette butts off balconies/porches is a violation of the lease, so there were never issues with the litter aspect until they made the smoking area. Once people could be anonymous slobs, they took it to extremes. It was costing more in man hours to keep that clean than it was worth to have it on a weekly basis. And the complex is relatively isolated, so it was residents doing it.
 
2012-07-13 03:24:37 PM

dorkpixie: fluffy2097: If there is no market for housing units that are for smokers, there would be no smoking housing units.

I agree that section 8 and public housing of the sort should all be non smoking, but private apartments and houses? They should just make it known that it's a smoking establishment and let the free market take care of if people want to live there or not.

Apartment managers already have a huge incentive to go non smoking. Smokers destroy the apartments they're in. Cleanup takes a lot of work. If there was no market, smoking rooms wouldn't exist.

/All smokers really need are gazebos here and there with ash trays in them. most smokers are perfectly fine to smoke outside, but they wont stand in the rain, you need to give them a roof.

Top floor of apartment complexes could be smoking...as an idea....

Not all smokers smoke in their houses... Case in point; because it is nasty to the rugs, walls, any other fabrics, not to mention the havoc cigarette smoke causes to electronics; I am a smoker of 26 yrs and do not smoke or allow smoking of cigarettes in my home. However, in the winter, we smoke with an exhaust fan in the bathroom; where the walls are easily cleanable and the room can get wiped down regularly. These are some ways that smokers who know the yuckyness factor and the serious issues cigarette smoke can cause to apartments and particularly computers.
I have yet to have a landlord complain as I keep things clean.

/The government should not have so much power over our personal decisions.

//Many smokers do realize the damage smoke can cause and do try to prevent it, so we should be able to find housing without being penalized; that's what a security deposit is for.
///Lack of coffee and nicotine may have tainted this post. But wanted to say something.


so the government shouldn't be able to have power over your personal life, but you can have power over mine?

someone please explain why smoking is a right???

how is it that you can puff puff puff away walking down the sidewalk & i get all your lung barf cause i happen to dare to use the sidewalk as well???

(same applies to any building unless it's your own property & you manage to contain all the smoke on YOUR PROPERTY)
 
2012-07-13 03:57:19 PM
LOL, Mesa, Az pretty much did this when they did their ban, but it was illegal. Smoking outside anywhere was illegal, smoking in public buildings was illegal, and smoking in your car with the windows down was illegal, so you were stuck smoking in your car with the windows up or inside your house. Of course, they did it on accident and just changed it to the public buildings thing.
 
2012-07-13 04:04:41 PM
But on the telephone line I am anyone
I am anything I want to be
I could be a supermodel or Norman Mailer
And you wouldn't know the difference

/obscure?
 
2012-07-13 04:15:44 PM

Splinshints: Gothnet: Cigars are still fine though right?

Actually, that's a good point... you know why nobody goes after cigar smokers for the most part?




Not if you live in The People's Republic of Washington....our smoking ban affects all businesses....including smoke shops.
 
2012-07-13 05:31:11 PM
The guys commenting on the effectiveness of e-cigs are right on the money. If you really want information on them go to:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

Everything you ever wanted to know. I've been using them almost two years - after a pack and a half a day habit for far longer than most of you have been alive.
 
2012-07-13 06:01:17 PM

Seraphym: Teufelaffe: Artcurus: Iv'e repeated this a few times. OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER SECOND HAND SMOKE A THREAT. AGAIN, SECONDHAND SMOKE IS NOT A REAL THREAT This whole smoking ban thing is about a controlling behavior.

Your tinfoil hat might a bit too tight there.

Lol

OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER TINFOIL HATS A THREAT. THERE IS A PANCAKE ON MY BUNNY'S HEAD.

/because OSHA was drafted and passed by omnipotent gods, 42 years ago when we knew everything


Nope.

http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/

http://www.nycclash.com/CaseAgainstBans/OSHA.html


John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) sued OSHA to keep them quiet, but OSHA told him to get lost.
 
GBB
2012-07-13 06:13:59 PM

MikeMc: GBB: dorkpixie: Top floor of apartment complexes could be smoking...as an idea....

What?? No. I'm a non-smoker and I like the top floor; don't have to listen to the stampede of kids and fatties. If anything, entire apartment buildings (in a multi-building complex) need to be non-smoking. I don't want to smell it wafting up from your apartment, and I don't want your butts all over the breezeway.

If you can't control your addiction, then you need help.

I like cookies and sweets, but I don't need a 15 minute cookie break every 2 hours, I don't get crabby when I don't have a cookie, I don't have a cookie when I'm stressed or nervous, and I don't bum cookies off friends.

And I have yet to find one person that smokes an occaisonal cigerette. They are either all-in, or abstinent.

You sound like a real joy to be around. Why don't you just man up and buy a house then you won't have to be exposed to other people.


As a matter of fact....
 
2012-07-13 06:14:27 PM

Theaetetus: Back when I smoked, I always went outside, I never stood one foot from the doorway of the building making people edge around me through a cloud of smoke to enter, and I always threw out my butts properly. Don't blame nanny state legislators, smokers, blame each other.


No, stupid shiathead, we (and all rational people) blame stupid, shiatheaded whiners and politicians who see someone acting in a way which they don't personally approve, and then decide that in order to "protect the public" and "protect the children", they must pass stupid laws telling people what they can do in their own homes and in privately-owned businesses. We also blame people who are such worthless, whiny, lying maggots that they pretend that a puff of smoke outside a bar is a grave "health risk" and capable of ruining their entire evening.
 
2012-07-13 06:18:27 PM

Artcurus: Seraphym: Teufelaffe: Artcurus: Iv'e repeated this a few times. OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER SECOND HAND SMOKE A THREAT. AGAIN, SECONDHAND SMOKE IS NOT A REAL THREAT This whole smoking ban thing is about a controlling behavior.

Your tinfoil hat might a bit too tight there.

Lol

OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER TINFOIL HATS A THREAT. THERE IS A PANCAKE ON MY BUNNY'S HEAD.

/because OSHA was drafted and passed by omnipotent gods, 42 years ago when we knew everything

Nope.

http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/

http://www.nycclash.com/CaseAgainstBans/OSHA.html


John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) sued OSHA to keep them quiet, but OSHA told him to get lost.


Oh wow! OSHA says its safe so it must be. To hell with what CDC says

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smo k e/health_effects/index.htm

To hell with actual research

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Passive%20smoking%20exposure% 2 0might%20be%20associated%20with%20hypermetropia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22033573

More publications can be found if you cared to look. BUT OMG! OSHA SAYS ITS NOT A THREAT.

/Citing OSHA as if its some pinnacle of medical research is just wrong.
 
2012-07-13 07:38:04 PM

Artcurus: Iv'e repeated this a few times. OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER SECOND HAND SMOKE A THREAT. AGAIN, SECONDHAND SMOKE IS NOT A REAL THREAT This whole smoking ban thing is about a controlling behavior.


Citing a lack of OSHA rulings, which are affected by a whole lot of things, including political lobbying, over proven science is utterly moronic.

Secondhand smoke is a very real health hazard and has been clearly demonstrated to be such by, you know, actual science.
 
2012-07-13 07:40:18 PM

stonicus: If I want no smells from the outside world the enter my apartment, isn't that my responsibility then to seal up my apartment? Do I get to make a law that says noone is allowed to cook fried chicken because I can smell it in my apartment?


Regular contact with the smell of fried chicken doesn't give me a 30% increased risk of heart disease and cancer.
 
2012-07-13 09:04:39 PM

cptjeff: stonicus: If I want no smells from the outside world the enter my apartment, isn't that my responsibility then to seal up my apartment? Do I get to make a law that says noone is allowed to cook fried chicken because I can smell it in my apartment?

Regular contact with the smell of fried chicken doesn't give me a 30% increased risk of heart disease and cancer.


living in koreatown in l.a., i can't smell my neighbors cigarettes over the smell of delicious meat and garlic that permeates a 4 square mile area.

/santa monica is the busybody's busybody.
 
2012-07-14 03:18:29 AM
If you're using e-cigs, you're still a smoker. Go cold turkey, it's seriously much easier than dragging out the process. Like ripping off a bandaid.
 
2012-07-14 05:37:22 PM
RIP SANTA MONICA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6E_TNgCsY
Link
 
2012-07-15 12:29:31 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: If you're using e-cigs, you're still a smoker. Go cold turkey, it's seriously much easier than dragging out the process. Like ripping off a bandaid.


Uh, no. It really helps. But I'm sure you have evidence to prove your point.
/or it would really bother you if, god forbid, someone actually enjoyed e-cigs.
 
2012-07-15 01:27:14 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: If you're using e-cigs, you're still a smoker. Go cold turkey, it's seriously much easier than dragging out the process. Like ripping off a bandaid.


Yeah, no it's not. You don't actually know what you're talking about. And no, you're not still smoking because it's not smoke. The one I used didn't even contain nicotine.
 
2012-07-15 11:29:09 AM

Jirafa: As someone who is really sensitive to cigarette smoke, I see no problem in banning smoking in buildings with multiple residences. The smoke can come right into the other apartments, through the ventilation systems and through small gaps in the walls, floors, and ceilings. You can move, but there's no telling if your new neighbors smoke, too. And no telling if the people who move in next door a month after you do decide to smoke in their apartment. Plus, getting a house is just not an option in many parts of the country. Smoke can be a serious problem for some people, like those with medical conditions, people who want to keep their kids away from smoke, or even people who simply want to just not have all of their stuff take on a permanent cigarette odor.

That said, the ideal solution would be to ban smoking on a building by building basis, instead of banning it outright. If all the units in an apartment building are designated smoking units, then there should be no problem in allowing it to continue that way. You know what to expect when you sign your lease to live in a designated smoking building, and if you want to you can smoke inside without bothering your neighbors. That would satisfy the market demand for smoking apartments AND allow non-smokers to choose whether to be around smoke or not.

As for the public park smoking ban ... that makes less sense than the apartment smoking ban. Just don't hang out too close to or downwind of the smokers, and you should be fine.


That's just what the article said they will do for existing dwelllers.
 
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