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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   Santa Monica: You can't smoke, you're near a building. Smoker: Oh, OK. I'll just go down to the park. SM: Can't smoke in the park either. Smoker: Beach? SM: Nope. Smoker: All-right fine... I'll just go home. SM: About that   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 239
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2012-07-13 09:58:33 AM  
Second-hand smoke may be offfensive to some, but it's not dangerous.
 
2012-07-13 09:59:35 AM  
HotWingConspiracy 2012-07-13 09:15:36 AM

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2012-07-13 08:54:14 AM

snow9999: Hey,

I will smoke 3 cigs at a time in the garage of a house. You run your car. Come back in 4 hours and see how the results are. Any takers?

So you inhaling less carbon monoxide than an idling car produces means what, exactly?

It means that your car exhaust kills you and my smoking does not.

Both kill you. They contain many of the same poisons.




I believe you get just a bit more of one...
 
2012-07-13 10:00:13 AM  
yet it's okay to blow smoke into another person's personal space that they may not want, thus affecting their personal rights.

Ahh yes, the old 45th Amendement the Right To Personal Space, one of our more cherished rights.
 
2012-07-13 10:01:32 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

does smoking pole count?
 
2012-07-13 10:02:07 AM  

MikeMc: yet it's okay to blow smoke into another person's personal space that they may not want, thus affecting their personal rights.

Ahh yes, the old 45th Amendement the Right To Personal Space, one of our more cherished rights.


It comes before the right to smoke, I think.
 
2012-07-13 10:06:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: MikeMc: yet it's okay to blow smoke into another person's personal space that they may not want, thus affecting their personal rights.

Ahh yes, the old 45th Amendement the Right To Personal Space, one of our more cherished rights.

It comes before the right to smoke, I think.


The Right To Smoke is the 47th Amendment, so technically it does come before but they are both still rights enshrined in the Constitution.
 
2012-07-13 10:08:51 AM  
GAT_00


I'd actually be OK with this if the home ban only applied to people..
This from the guy that calls libertarians supporters of a police state. ROTFL
 
2012-07-13 10:09:14 AM  

Gothnet: Cigars are still fine though right?


Actually, that's a good point... you know why nobody goes after cigar smokers for the most part? Because they just sit quietly in the privacy of their own home minding their own business smoking their cigars. When's the last time you saw some idiot chuck a cigar nub out a car window on the highway? When's the last time you saw some idiot dump cigar ash on the curb in the parking lot? When's the last time you got stuck standing next to some idiot on the sidewalk creating a big ball of cigar smoke around everyone else?

Probably never. Because cigar smokers, for the most part, aren't self-important dicks who think they're entitled to do whatever they want.

/ same goes for pipes, but only if you have a handlebar mustache
 
2012-07-13 10:09:40 AM  
Why don't we just make it illegal then?

I'm not a smoker and I think it's disgusting and stupid, but it is legal. Making it virtually illegal through zoning is going over the line to percussion. You should be able to smoke in your own house. I also think that smoking bars should be a thing and maybe smoke at the beach with a $1000 fine and mandatory sodomy for flicking your cigarette butt into the sand. (I'm a big believer in punishments fitting the crime.)
 
2012-07-13 10:10:22 AM  

Barnstormer: Second-hand smoke may be offfensive to some, but it's not dangerous.


Science called, You're wrong

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-sm o ke
 
2012-07-13 10:10:32 AM  

Jerkwater: The e-cig is truly the greatest cessation method going and if you're a smoker and want to quit (even a little) and you haven't tried it, you are doing yourself a disservice. They taste great, deliver that immediate hit of nicotine that gum and patches lack, and the cost is usually around $1/day once you get yourself set up.

Quick e-cig cheat sheet:

- If it looks like a cigarette, it's a crap model.
- The eGo is a great starter kit and widely available. Google it.


Um, the eGo looks like a cigarette. WTF?

Ever try to google 'eGo'? You end up with the same results as 'ego'...

// Post was crap
 
2012-07-13 10:12:34 AM  

msupf: Then you have to deal with the ashes and butts everywhere, and the possible fire hazards. Apartment complex my SO manages tried a designated smoking area outside, within 3 months it was the trashiest piece of land in town, and with the dry conditions, we've had 3 wildfire threats from that spot (smoldering or burning grass).


Yeah. they require maintenance. You have to clean the ash-trays and the trash cans.

The thing is, all that trash is still on your property, It's now just spread all over the farking place.

good jorb. Well at least if they wont maintain it, then it's good they're just going non smoking entirely. Not that people won't still smoke outside and ash their butts all over your property.
 
2012-07-13 10:13:56 AM  

timujin: basemetal:

Yeah, that'll help.

Stupid as what Santa Monica is doing is, that is an old picture of L.A., and probably tinted a little as well. Things looked like that in the 80's, you can see it in the movies filmed back then like in Beverly Hills Cop, but it's not like that now. We get some, but the most common thing occluding the sky these days is the marine layer.


I heard the farking smogs the farking reason you have such beautiful farking sunsets.
 
2012-07-13 10:17:08 AM  
Two homes I've bought were both previously owned by smokers. They'll paint the ceiling to cover it up, but when winter comes.. I'm replacing duct work and heating units.

fark. YOU. SMOKERS.

I'd tell you to die in a fire, but you probably will anyway.
 
2012-07-13 10:18:46 AM  
I don't even smoke but agree this is useless. I am so sick of people pretending they have health issues because one day, for a few hours, they stood next to a smoker.

Are you alive? That's why you have health issues. It's not from some dude who smoked a cigarette next to you.

This issue is about controlling people, nothing more.
 
2012-07-13 10:19:21 AM  

havocmike: Two homes I've bought were both previously owned by smokers. They'll paint the ceiling to cover it up, but when winter comes.. I'm replacing duct work and heating units.

fark. YOU. SMOKERS.

I'd tell you to die in a fire, but you probably will anyway.


You probably shouldn't have bought those particular houses...
 
2012-07-13 10:22:00 AM  

Klom Dark: Jerkwater: The e-cig is truly the greatest cessation method going and if you're a smoker and want to quit (even a little) and you haven't tried it, you are doing yourself a disservice. They taste great, deliver that immediate hit of nicotine that gum and patches lack, and the cost is usually around $1/day once you get yourself set up.

Quick e-cig cheat sheet:

- If it looks like a cigarette, it's a crap model.
- The eGo is a great starter kit and widely available. Google it.


Um, the eGo looks like a cigarette. WTF?

Ever try to google 'eGo'? You end up with the same results as 'ego'...

// Post was crap


www.ecigsejuice.com

Yeah, you're right. That looks exactly like a cigarette.

Pro-tip -- sometimes when using Google, you have to qualify your search.
 
2012-07-13 10:23:05 AM  

violentsalvation: Of course someone is going to quote me and tell me my smoke violates their personal freedoms. And I don't give a shiat because using that logic, creating the electricity used to post their comment polluted enough to violate me.


LOL, you can't be this dumb

/breather rights!
 
2012-07-13 10:25:06 AM  
If second-hand smoke kills, it's not very accurate.
 
2012-07-13 10:25:55 AM  

Splinshints: Egoy3k: Smokers are no more horrible than any other type of person

Wrong.

Although, I'll grant you that bicyclists are almost as bad. Same bullshiat "I should be allowed to do whatever I want wherever I want and whenever I want without accepting any responsibility for any of it" attitude, they just don't apply it quite as extensively as smokers.

Lipspinach: Why exactly is the car analogy invalid?

A cigarette has no valid, practical use to offset any damage, no matter how slight, it causes to anybody not willingly subjecting themselves to it. A car does. A car provides a practical means of transportation which ultimately conveys numerous social and economic benefits. The toxins it produces, then, are an unfortunate but accepted side effect that is allowed to an extent because the benefits offset or outweigh the detriments. A cigarette is just a tool of a personal habit that conveys zero benefit to anybody but the person smoking it, therefore, the only detriments that are acceptable are to the person smoking it.

If you're going to use a car analogy, it must be restricted to a car that is used solely for personal reasons and has no greater beneficial use. For example, if your idiot neighbor has a top fuel dragster sitting in his driveway revving, subjecting everyone else to fumes and noise, you have a perfectly valid reason to complain and make him stop. Likewise, if your idiot neighbor sits on his porch smoking and it's wafting all over your property, you have a perfectly valid reason to complain and make him stop. As far as barbequing, everybody has to eat, that's a precursor to eating, so the minor detriment is offset by the necessity of the outcome. Although, like with car, there is a limit to which those benefits outweigh the impacts. If you never clean your grill and you're smoking your neighbors out, they're going to have a good reason to complain and make you stop grilling.


Point taken. Thanks.
 
2012-07-13 10:30:12 AM  

meanmutton: coco ebert: I don't understand why cigarette smoking is prohibited in any outdoor space that isn't tightly enclosed like a restaurant or something. I really don't understand it. If it bothers someone, can't they just, you know, walk away?

Why should it be incumbent on the person bothered by the behavior to move away? It seems that a better solution would be designated smoking and non smoking areas. Give people who want a place to smoke a place to do it and just tell non smokers to stay the hell away.


Are you willing to ban all cars because of the exhaust any place where people are walking? I don't smoke and I don't particularly like cigarette smoke but I don't see why a public sidewalk or public park needs to be completely off-limits. It seems akin to many of the other pollutants that fill our lives.
 
2012-07-13 10:30:55 AM  

stewbert: timujin: basemetal:

Yeah, that'll help.

Stupid as what Santa Monica is doing is, that is an old picture of L.A., and probably tinted a little as well. Things looked like that in the 80's, you can see it in the movies filmed back then like in Beverly Hills Cop, but it's not like that now. We get some, but the most common thing occluding the sky these days is the marine layer.

I heard the farking smogs the farking reason you have such beautiful farking sunsets.


I was just gonna watch that movie again last night when I discovered that Netflix took it off their streaming. Stupid Netflix.
 
2012-07-13 10:31:00 AM  
 
2012-07-13 10:32:39 AM  

Splinshints: Egoy3k: Smokers are no more horrible than any other type of person

Wrong.

Although, I'll grant you that bicyclists are almost as bad. Same bullshiat "I should be allowed to do whatever I want wherever I want and whenever I want without accepting any responsibility for any of it" attitude, they just don't apply it quite as extensively as smokers.


Splinshints: When's the last time you saw some idiot chuck a cigar nub out a car window on the highway? When's the last time you saw some idiot dump cigar ash on the curb in the parking lot? When's the last time you got stuck standing next to some idiot on the sidewalk creating a big ball of cigar smoke around everyone else?


You know what? When I smoke a cigar I generally try to be as unobtrusive as possible but if I were ever in the same area as you I'd do my best to blow all my smoke in your face, butt out my stogie on your forehead and deposit the butt in your car.

You don't notice decent smokers because they don't annoy you. Generalizations are stupid and generalizing all smokers as evil makes you appear to be a spoiled brat rather than someone with a point of view worth listening to. Hyperbole isn't a useful debate tactic unless you are a congressional candidate and have effectively lowered the intelligence of the debate to the point when being a dick is expected.

Where I work the smokers go outside on their breaks and where they stand is a disgusting wasteland of butts and wrappers and gum. It's downright embarrassing to the company and it drives me up the wall. It's to the point were I'm considering advocating a ban on all smoking on company property. Here is the problem with that, there are orders of magnitude more wrappers, butts, and gum in the garbage and butt trays than there are on the ground. The vast majority of smokers are considerate and use the facilities properly.
 
2012-07-13 10:35:10 AM  
yeah, biatch about smoking but go ahead and get into your gas guzzling SUV and belch 300 CFM of pollution into MY air. that's OK. farking smoking nazis!
 
2012-07-13 10:36:24 AM  

Palindrom3: Barnstormer: Second-hand smoke may be offfensive to some, but it's not dangerous.

Science called, You're wrong

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-sm o ke


OK, it's mostly harmless.

Medical FAQ search for "types of carcinogens "
"Any agent that can contribute to cell mutation has the potential to lead to cancer and can be classified as a carcinogen. This often includes many materials that may be harmless in small concentrations, or harmless in the absence of other chemicals that act as triggering agents."
 
2012-07-13 10:37:00 AM  

Egoy3k: Where I work the smokers go outside on their breaks and where they stand is a disgusting wasteland of butts and wrappers and gum. It's downright embarrassing to the company and it drives me up the wall.


We have a smoking area where I work. Some people abuse it while others of us take turns cleaning it up. The key to a well maintained smoking area is peer pressure. We have several receptacles for butts and you have to call out those people who don't use them. Some people, smokers and non-smokers alike, are just pigs.
 
2012-07-13 10:40:42 AM  

Palindrom3: Barnstormer: Second-hand smoke may be offfensive to some, but it's not dangerous.

Science called, You're wrong

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-sm o ke


I don't have time to read the entire article, but is there anything about length of exposure and levels of smoke inhaled?

Because that seems like it would be important. While secondhand smoke is dangerous, is just getting a whiff of it cause for concern? Or do you have to work in a bar that allows smoking for 8 hours a day for 5 years before it is harmful?

/anything is bad for you at high amounts
//even drinking water
 
2012-07-13 10:41:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Didn't Rush Limbaugh and Denis Leary warn us of this?

Thanks, libs.


prod-assets.mog.com

Told ya so.
 
2012-07-13 10:50:24 AM  

Splinshints: I absolutely hate smokers because they are complete and utter scum who think they deserve everything and have no responsibility at all for anything in perpetuity forever.

No point, just saying.

/ fark you, smokers, yea this is stupid, but I don't give a shiat because you're all jackasses and anything that hurts you is fine by me


Don't feed the troll... That was a nice try.
 
2012-07-13 10:54:47 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: LeglessDog: . . . and the grip of the nanny state just keeps getting tighter. If we go full-Obamacare in this country, it will be this way everywhere, eventually . . . .

Nobody will have personal freedom and choice of how they live their lives, because everyone will have a vested interest in paying for the healthcare of their fellow drones ("citizens") . . . I pay for your healthcare, so I get to tell you how you live your life and what kinds of risks you take . . .

Garbage.

LOL what hogswallop, codswallop, swill, trash, bullshiat. Utter and complete stupidity. Oh My God! People will be able to afford healthcare! How horrible! How dare the government take an active role in preventing its citizens from getting sick. No, it's much better for people to become deathly ill and take up space in the ER. Personally, I prefer that route. It costs us more, it screws up hospitals, it's bad for the citizens and more people suffer. Yes my friend, suffering is what America was built upon


I was under the impression USA was built on the backs of the ancestors of the of the peoples rights you think it is alright to take away, who cares if you don't like it and it doesn't make sense to you, it ain't your right to chose but when your right to chose to do whatever stupid thing you want to do is taken away then I feel you might have a problem with that. (not saying you want to do stupid things....just sayin)
 
2012-07-13 11:02:39 AM  

Lipspinach: Splinshints: / in before invalid analogy from some braindead smoker involving a barbecue or car exhaust

Why exactly is the car analogy invalid?


Because he drives...
 
2012-07-13 11:06:19 AM  
I quit smoking over three weeks ago and couldn't give a damn about smoking laws.
 
2012-07-13 11:09:46 AM  

Jerkwater: The e-cig is truly the greatest cessation method going and if you're a smoker and want to quit (even a little) and you haven't tried it, you are doing yourself a disservice. They taste great, deliver that immediate hit of nicotine that gum and patches lack, and the cost is usually around $1/day once you get yourself set up.

Quick e-cig cheat sheet:

- If it looks like a cigarette, it's a crap model. The better models use a battery about as thick as a Sharpie marker and ~3" long. For the truly devoted, they can be as big as a flashlight.

- Those mall kiosks that sign you up for regular delivery of new cartridges are a rip-off. You can outfit yourself online for 1/10 the price and a better model.

- There is a wealth of information online and dozens of vendors of quality products that deliver a much better experience for a fraction of the price of the mall/gas station models.

- The eGo is a great starter kit and widely available. Google it.

I've helped several farkers quit using e-cigs. EIP if you want more info.

/not in any way employed or compensated for this. Just like seeing people realize how easy it is to quit.
//10 months completely smoke free after 17 years of (at least) pack-a-day smoking


Totally agree. Smoked for 30 years and now I'm sitting around reading this thread with no urge to smoke at all. Been that way for 3 months thanks to e-cigs. I never imagined it was possible.
/still disagree with the banning of a legal substance in the home.
 
2012-07-13 11:11:28 AM  

Theaetetus: Back when I smoked, I always went outside, I never stood one foot from the doorway of the building making people edge around me through a cloud of smoke to enter, and I always threw out my butts properly. Don't blame nanny state legislators, smokers, blame each other.


Bullshiat. Don't tell me this wasn't the goal all along. That's a lame excuse.
 
2012-07-13 11:13:29 AM  
FTFA: Radinsky expects that within months of living under the ordinance, residents' behaviors will shift and there will be a "great improvement in public health."

Sure. And a year from now, if there isn't a "great improvement in public health", you'll repeal this stupid law, right?

Of course not. It's about control, not health.

For smokers interested in an alternative, vaping works. High end electronic cigarettes. Do some research here, you'll be glad you did.
 
2012-07-13 11:16:36 AM  

KidneyStone: I quit smoking over three weeks ago and couldn't give a damn about smoking laws.


I don't smoke, and the laws don't apply to me either, but they do concern me. They should concern you as well, just for one word...

precedent
 
2012-07-13 11:16:45 AM  

skillett: yeah, biatch about smoking but go ahead and get into your gas guzzling SUV and belch 300 CFM of pollution into MY air. that's OK. farking smoking nazis!


I've often had this same thought. Any defenders?
 
2012-07-13 11:29:21 AM  
Most voters in CA are in favor of this. So the nanny state comments are kinda off the mark.
I am from San Diego and go visit every couple years. I was smoking in Balboa Park, away from everybody and some cranky old man walks by "no smoking in the park!"
lucky me.
Back in NM where cigarette smoke is low on the list on dying.
Just tax the hell out of beer already!
 
2012-07-13 11:32:06 AM  

knbber2: But I bet you can smoke the fark out of medical marijuana, it's like smoking a salad.


Hopefully. After all it's a medical condition, yo.
 
2012-07-13 11:36:44 AM  
They don't actually believe this law will hold up in court, do they?

Fourth Amendment

For the record, I'm a non-smoker can't stand being around smokers, especially when I'm eating. Or breathing. But come on, not in your own house? That's the one place I'd prefer people to be in when they smoke.
 
2012-07-13 11:39:34 AM  

GAT_00: I'd actually be OK with this if the home ban only applied to people with children under 18 in the house.


It's an interesting question. The status of children as voluntary actors/property/? goes into play.

I got along reasonably well with my dad. But, he smoked a big-ol pipe 15 hours a day. Hard-core addict... he was shaking after a 3 hour plane flight without. I was sick a lot as a kid as a result, and somehow he got kinda a sadistic glee out of getting a car so smoky you could barely see through it while I was stuck there. Not exactly enough to call social services on I guess, but seriously, what choice did I have in the matter?
 
2012-07-13 11:43:54 AM  
Iv'e repeated this a few times. OSHA DID NOT CONSIDER SECOND HAND SMOKE A THREAT. AGAIN, SECONDHAND SMOKE IS NOT A REAL THREAT This whole smoking ban thing is about a controlling behavior.
 
2012-07-13 11:48:30 AM  

This About That: Know what this town needs?



An enema?
 
2012-07-13 11:52:21 AM  

Cormee: About that "O'er land of the free" bit in your national anthem...


That's Mexico.....we are over Mexico.
 
2012-07-13 11:53:57 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: I hope this kind of stupidity never reaches Kansas....we have enough in politics as it is.


Are you guys still teaching evolution in your public schools?
 
2012-07-13 11:54:07 AM  

Father_Jack: Buffet: This doesn't surprise me. Santa Monica has been THE place where bodybuilders congregate for decades. There's no room for smokers. Off you go then. Begone losers.

you know how i know you dont live there?


I WISH I lived there sir. Sadly not the case.
 
2012-07-13 11:56:07 AM  

Onkel Buck: so let me get this see if I have this right. When it comes to gay marriage you want the government to stay out of your bedroom, but when it comes to smoking and trans fats, salt, and Big Gulps you have no problem with government coming into your home to regulate that?


It's called "Being Liberal When It's Convenient For Them", or "Regulating When It's Convenient For Them" How pissed off will they get when they realize that this ban refers to pot smoking also?:

Calculon_NOOOOOOO!!!!!.jpg
 
2012-07-13 11:58:47 AM  

SDRR: Buffet: This doesn't surprise me. Santa Monica has been THE place where bodybuilders congregate for decades. There's no room for smokers. Off you go then. Begone losers.

[encrypted-tbn3.google.com image 259x194]


Hmm. I guess everything's not as black and white as my closed mind imagined.
I stand corrected. Apparently there are exceptions to every rule.
 
2012-07-13 12:01:39 PM  
slayer199: You give the government more power, this is what happens...the Nanny State.

MarshHawk: Naw, we've been doing this in the south for years. They're called "dry counties." And people drink in their houses all the time.


Because it's not illegal to drink in your own home in dry counties. You just can't buy booze there.

// Apples, oranges, etc.
 
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