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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   Santa Monica: You can't smoke, you're near a building. Smoker: Oh, OK. I'll just go down to the park. SM: Can't smoke in the park either. Smoker: Beach? SM: Nope. Smoker: All-right fine... I'll just go home. SM: About that   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 239
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2012-07-12 09:02:54 PM
And then came the era when the nicotine addicted began to commit suicide. It was believed to be another strange effect of the Obama death aura.
 
2012-07-12 09:09:09 PM
But I bet you can smoke the fark out of medical marijuana, it's like smoking a salad.
 
2012-07-12 09:18:13 PM
Just f*cking ban it already if you're going to make it so damned difficult and restricted.
 
2012-07-12 09:22:01 PM
 
2012-07-12 09:26:38 PM
I'd actually be OK with this if the home ban only applied to people with children under 18 in the house.
 
2012-07-12 09:34:13 PM
Sounds like some don't mind a bit and a saddle.
 
2012-07-12 09:34:50 PM
I expect that by next year, it will still be legal to buy tobacco in California

/however, you will need to drive to Nevada to smoke it
//any city that passes laws like this should forfeit any share of tobacco tax money
 
2012-07-12 09:43:32 PM
At first I did not fight back because they came for the pot. But then they came for the tobacco and there was no one to hear me screaming. Or some shiat like that. I can't remember these pointless idioms, I'm too high for that.
 
2012-07-12 09:48:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: any city that passes laws like this should forfeit any share of tobacco tax money


This.
 
2012-07-12 10:38:52 PM
You give the government more power, this is what happens...the Nanny State.
 
2012-07-12 10:39:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: any city that passes laws like this should forfeit any share of tobacco tax money

This.


Makes sense to me. You don't play the game, you can't win the prize.
 
2012-07-12 10:55:45 PM
Who will pay all the taxes?
 
2012-07-12 11:02:24 PM

slayer199: You give the government more power, this is what happens...the Nanny State.


Yup, unfortunately that is too often the case, at least if you look at government with a perspective on personal freedoms. Of course someone is going to quote me and tell me my smoke violates their personal freedoms. And I don't give a shiat because using that logic, creating the electricity used to post their comment polluted enough to violate me. And they can use their big gov't to buy them a respirator and maybe a pacifier.
 
2012-07-12 11:36:32 PM
Nanny state, indeed.

People used to smoke ALL THE farkING TIME in the 70s and before. Asthma was just as prevalent then as now. A couple whiffs of distant smoke isn't going to kill *anyone*. Especially any more than dust, smoke (other than cigarettes), exhaust, etc.

I'm a nonsmoker, but holy shiat. This is getting out of control. It's like they're trying to enact a tobacco prohibition one inch at a time.

Maybe they can do that with alcohol, right? You know. For public safety.
 
2012-07-12 11:37:25 PM
I don't understand why cigarette smoking is prohibited in any outdoor space that isn't tightly enclosed like a restaurant or something. I really don't understand it. If it bothers someone, can't they just, you know, walk away?
 
2012-07-12 11:39:15 PM
realitypod.com

Yeah, that'll help.
 
2012-07-13 12:08:32 AM
Well, I'd rather go bowling!
(The lanes are closed!)
Maybe a little tennis?
(Your racket's got a hole.)
How about some baseball?
(Field's rained out.)
Maybe a little fishing?
(The fish are on vacation.)
Well, how about some golfing?
(The greens are overgrown.)
Well, what about some swimming?
(I don't think so!)
Well, what about this--and that--
(No, no, no, no, no!)
Well, you can't tell me what to do!
Well, you can't tell me what to do!
(Hey, fark you!)
 
2012-07-13 12:17:37 AM
Simple solution: don't smoke. It's disgusting and unhealthy and no one wants to smell your stink, not even your family members.

/doesn't smoke
//doesn't care about those who do
 
2012-07-13 12:28:02 AM

basemetal: realitypod.com

Yeah, that'll help
.

Stupid as what Santa Monica is doing is, that is an old picture of L.A., and probably tinted a little as well. Things looked like that in the 80's, you can see it in the movies filmed back then like in Beverly Hills Cop, but it's not like that now. We get some, but the most common thing occluding the sky these days is the marine layer.
 
2012-07-13 12:52:40 AM
I don't care about cigarettes but good luck getting me to stop smoking weed in my apartment. I heard somewhere that might be considered illegal in some places but really, who cares.
 
2012-07-13 01:06:08 AM

timujin: Stupid as what Santa Monica is doing is, that is an old picture of L.A., and probably tinted a little as well. Things looked like that in the 80's, you can see it in the movies filmed back then like in Beverly Hills Cop, but it's not like that now. We get some, but the most common thing occluding the sky these days is the marine layer.


The worst smog attack in L.A. history occurred in 1954. Air quality was also pretty bad in the area during the 1960s and 1970s.

/remembers when 3rd stage smog alerts were common and schoolchildren had to stay indoors all day
//also remembers when inhaling outdoor air was painful
///there haven't been any 2nd or 3rd stage smog alerts since the 1980s
 
2012-07-13 01:15:12 AM
Know what this town needs? A no sanctimony zone.

// Zero Tolerance
 
2012-07-13 02:27:23 AM

xanadian: Nanny state, indeed.

People used to smoke ALL THE farkING TIME in the 70s and before. Asthma was just as prevalent then as now. A couple whiffs of distant smoke isn't going to kill *anyone*. Especially any more than dust, smoke (other than cigarettes), exhaust, etc.

I'm a nonsmoker, but holy shiat. This is getting out of control. It's like they're trying to enact a tobacco prohibition one inch at a time.

Maybe they can do that with alcohol, right? You know. For public safety.


They can't. Tobacco's a lot harder to grow at home. Alcohol literally makes itself.
 
2012-07-13 05:23:38 AM
Didn't Rush Limbaugh and Denis Leary warn us of this?

Thanks, libs.
 
2012-07-13 05:26:07 AM

Aarontology: Just f*cking ban it already if you're going to make it so damned difficult and restricted.


Not with those taxes coming in.
 
2012-07-13 05:38:06 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Aarontology: Just f*cking ban it already if you're going to make it so damned difficult and restricted.

Not with those taxes coming in.


What else is like that? Hmm, maybe we should start taxing abortions.
 
2012-07-13 05:51:17 AM
As someone who grew up in a house where the windows were closed most of the time because of either the a/c or heating, with a father who smoked, I envy the children of Santa Monica.

People at school always assumed I was a smoker because I and my clothes reeked so bad.
 
2012-07-13 05:51:19 AM
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Sh-Sh-Shhaaaa! You commie bastards!
 
2012-07-13 05:56:52 AM
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2012-07-13 06:07:42 AM
I hope this kind of stupidity never reaches Kansas....we have enough in politics as it is. Nice to have a house with a porch on a huge lot. ~flips neighbors off as I light up~
 
2012-07-13 06:08:07 AM
It's hilarious to watch the punk righties flip out about this shiat. Guess what, assholes? We've had stupid, intrusive, "nanny-state" laws like this for decades. They are called "drug laws". Either reject the principle, or embrace it. If you allow the banning of crack because it's "bad", and "thugs" use it, then you need to be ready for the day the busybodies come for your booze, guns, and smoke. You asked for it, Brother.
 
2012-07-13 06:08:56 AM
If there is no market for housing units that are for smokers, there would be no smoking housing units.

I agree that section 8 and public housing of the sort should all be non smoking, but private apartments and houses? They should just make it known that it's a smoking establishment and let the free market take care of if people want to live there or not.

Apartment managers already have a huge incentive to go non smoking. Smokers destroy the apartments they're in. Cleanup takes a lot of work. If there was no market, smoking rooms wouldn't exist.

/All smokers really need are gazebos here and there with ash trays in them. most smokers are perfectly fine to smoke outside, but they wont stand in the rain, you need to give them a roof.
 
2012-07-13 06:12:08 AM
"People have come to testify to city council about asthma problems, people who had no prior health problems who developed health problems because their neighbors smoke," he said.

Oh FFS. You're not even trying now.
 
2012-07-13 06:15:33 AM
I had thought years ago to move to California. So damn glad I didn't. This is the sort of shiat that brings out the anarchist in me.
 
2012-07-13 06:15:53 AM
About that "O'er land of the free" bit in your national anthem...
 
2012-07-13 06:16:43 AM
This doesn't surprise me. Santa Monica has been THE place where bodybuilders congregate for decades. There's no room for smokers. Off you go then. Begone losers.
 
2012-07-13 06:37:53 AM

slayer199: You give the government more power, this is what happens...the Nanny State.


Naw, we've been doing this in the south for years. They're called "dry counties."

/And people drink in their houses all the time.
 
2012-07-13 06:39:43 AM
As someone who is really sensitive to cigarette smoke, I see no problem in banning smoking in buildings with multiple residences. The smoke can come right into the other apartments, through the ventilation systems and through small gaps in the walls, floors, and ceilings. You can move, but there's no telling if your new neighbors smoke, too. And no telling if the people who move in next door a month after you do decide to smoke in their apartment. Plus, getting a house is just not an option in many parts of the country. Smoke can be a serious problem for some people, like those with medical conditions, people who want to keep their kids away from smoke, or even people who simply want to just not have all of their stuff take on a permanent cigarette odor.

That said, the ideal solution would be to ban smoking on a building by building basis, instead of banning it outright. If all the units in an apartment building are designated smoking units, then there should be no problem in allowing it to continue that way. You know what to expect when you sign your lease to live in a designated smoking building, and if you want to you can smoke inside without bothering your neighbors. That would satisfy the market demand for smoking apartments AND allow non-smokers to choose whether to be around smoke or not.

As for the public park smoking ban ... that makes less sense than the apartment smoking ban. Just don't hang out too close to or downwind of the smokers, and you should be fine.
 
2012-07-13 06:42:59 AM

Buffet: This doesn't surprise me. Santa Monica has been THE place where bodybuilders congregate for decades. There's no room for smokers. Off you go then. Begone losers.


you know how i know you dont live there?
 
2012-07-13 06:46:05 AM
Electronic cigarettes have come a long way in the past few years. They hit hard like a real cigarette and are legal to smoke in most movie theaters and restaurants.

Also, occasionally someone will tell you that "you can't smoke in here". Then you get to say "I'm not" and then proceed to blow water vapor at them.

Ok, That last part has never happened to me, but it is fun to ponder.
 
2012-07-13 06:47:48 AM
I think I'll have a cigar tonight.
 
2012-07-13 06:54:27 AM

fluffy2097: If there is no market for housing units that are for smokers, there would be no smoking housing units.

I agree that section 8 and public housing of the sort should all be non smoking, but private apartments and houses? They should just make it known that it's a smoking establishment and let the free market take care of if people want to live there or not.

Apartment managers already have a huge incentive to go non smoking. Smokers destroy the apartments they're in. Cleanup takes a lot of work. If there was no market, smoking rooms wouldn't exist.

/All smokers really need are gazebos here and there with ash trays in them. most smokers are perfectly fine to smoke outside, but they wont stand in the rain, you need to give them a roof.


Top floor of apartment complexes could be smoking...as an idea....

Not all smokers smoke in their houses... Case in point; because it is nasty to the rugs, walls, any other fabrics, not to mention the havoc cigarette smoke causes to electronics; I am a smoker of 26 yrs and do not smoke or allow smoking of cigarettes in my home. However, in the winter, we smoke with an exhaust fan in the bathroom; where the walls are easily cleanable and the room can get wiped down regularly. These are some ways that smokers who know the yuckyness factor and the serious issues cigarette smoke can cause to apartments and particularly computers.
I have yet to have a landlord complain as I keep things clean.

/The government should not have so much power over our personal decisions.
//Many smokers do realize the damage smoke can cause and do try to prevent it, so we should be able to find housing without being penalized; that's what a security deposit is for.
///Lack of coffee and nicotine may have tainted this post. But wanted to say something.
 
2012-07-13 07:01:33 AM
These restrictions have gone to far, but I'm all for a ban where there are kids in an enclosed space.
 
2012-07-13 07:03:11 AM

Jirafa: That said, the ideal solution would be to ban smoking on a building by building basis, instead of banning it outright.


So in other words, if a building owner decided he didn't want to rent to smokers, you'd be fine with that? And a renter could decide whether or not to live around smokers? Sounds fine to me. No government involvement, and if the anti-smoking sentiment is strong enough, a rental company will be able to make a killing from a slight uptick in price for these "exclusive" communities.
 
2012-07-13 07:03:39 AM

basemetal: [realitypod.com image 460x276]

Yeah, that'll help.


It's totally not disingenuous to use a 30-40 year old pic of LA....
 
2012-07-13 07:05:19 AM
So glad I quit, haven't had a smoke in like 3 months, don't even think about it anymore.
 
2012-07-13 07:05:49 AM

Confabulat: I don't care about cigarettes but good luck getting me to stop smoking weed in my apartment. I heard somewhere that might be considered illegal in some places but really, who cares.


My dorms had a rule... as long as the RA couldn't figure out which room was smoking it was okay. And since all of us smoked, it was never a problem =D.

Sometimes you could smell our floor (the first) all the way up to the seventh floor in the stairwell.

\go bears!
\\GrrrrrrRRAH!
 
2012-07-13 07:11:34 AM

Aarontology: Just f*cking ban it already if you're going to make it so damned difficult and restricted.


Prohibitions work, right? right?
 
2012-07-13 07:12:02 AM
When are they gonna go after the fatties? They need to find a way to tax them.
 
2012-07-13 07:14:42 AM

abhorrent1: When are they gonna go after the fatties? They need to find a way to tax them.


Taxes bring money into the treasury while discouraging use, and no one wants that.
They need to BAN something!
 
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