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(Casper Star-Tribune)   New EPA regulations creating more jobs for the green sector include solar, wind, and cow fart counting. Wait, what?   (trib.com) divider line 51
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2012-07-12 04:08:23 PM  
GOP to vote to remove new jobs in 3..2.....1....
 
2012-07-12 04:11:28 PM  
Silly subby - don't you know the only real energy jobs are in oil and gas?
 
2012-07-12 04:14:50 PM  
Why are you GOP shills complaining about new jobs? Why do you hate new jobs?
 
2012-07-12 04:15:49 PM  
Turns out a model needs numbers, who knew?
 
2012-07-12 04:16:37 PM  
You do realize that some farms have become independent of the grid by trapping the methane off of cow pastures?

There are difficulties in transporting the methane long distance but for a farm, you can cut a significant portion of your heating and electricity bill through burning and power generation using the tapped methane.
 
2012-07-12 04:17:02 PM  
If only there was a way to automate this process...

www.harrystone.net
 
2012-07-12 04:17:57 PM  
Even so, once the state implementation plan takes effect, the BLM would have to find out exactly how many cattle are munching grass on federal land - and how much methane they subsequently release.

/Seriously? With the bloated deficit we have, you are worried about cow farts enough to spend taxpayers money on studying them? (facepalms) Ok..ill bite, lets say you do find out how much they produce. What are you going to do then? Outlaw farting? Give all the cows "beano"? Kill all the cows? Taxpayers would rather have you spend their hard earned tax dollars funding something like social programs or alternative fuel research. But no, you have to study cow gas.
 
2012-07-12 04:18:49 PM  

Dinki: Silly subby - don't you know the only real energy jobs are in oil and gas?


That question is Moo.
 
2012-07-12 04:19:14 PM  
It's actually their burps that have the most methane but that makes such a poorer sounding report.
 
2012-07-12 04:19:17 PM  

Necronic: Turns out a model needs numbers, who knew?


Dammit, I'm frightened and confused, and I'm not funding what I don't understand!
 
ows
2012-07-12 04:19:27 PM  
damn, i can stand around all day listening to cow farts and make $25 hour
 
2012-07-12 04:20:20 PM  

Zyme: You do realize that some farms have become independent of the grid by trapping the methane off of cow pastures?

There are difficulties in transporting the methane long distance but for a farm, you can cut a significant portion of your heating and electricity bill through burning and power generation using the tapped methane.


Who run Bartertown?
 
2012-07-12 04:20:24 PM  
data.whicdn.com
 
2012-07-12 04:21:42 PM  
 
2012-07-12 04:22:33 PM  
OK. This is a real f*cking stupid idea and a waste of money, but since they are gonna do it anyway, where do I send my resume?
 
2012-07-12 04:23:57 PM  

lewismarktwo: It's actually their burps that have the most methane but that makes such a poorer sounding report.


If that's a pun on the somewhat archaic definition of "report" meaning "a loud noise, as from an explosion", then kudos to you! Also, you must be tired after arriving here from the 19th century. May I take your homburg?
 
2012-07-12 04:25:09 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle: "What are you going to do then? "

I'm going to guess: take that into account when you're determining what levels of methane release from other industries are acceptable?
Or when you're projecting growth of methane emissions in the future?

Just because you're identifying and studying a problem doesn't necessarily imply you're ultimately going to tax the source or try to ban it.
Science is about systems. It's helpful to know as much as possible about the various inputs and outputs of the system, even when you have no ability to control them directly.
 
2012-07-12 04:27:23 PM  
It sounds stupid, it must therefore be stupid.
 
2012-07-12 04:27:45 PM  
www.arizonabeautiful.com
 
2012-07-12 04:29:18 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Even so, once the state implementation plan takes effect, the BLM would have to find out exactly how many cattle are munching grass on federal land - and how much methane they subsequently release.

/Seriously? With the bloated deficit we have, you are worried about cow farts enough to spend taxpayers money on studying them? (facepalms) Ok..ill bite, lets say you do find out how much they produce. What are you going to do then? Outlaw farting? Give all the cows "beano"? Kill all the cows? Taxpayers would rather have you spend their hard earned tax dollars funding something like social programs or alternative fuel research. But no, you have to study cow gas.


Im guessing they will tax the farmers like a carbon tax. Though it does nothing for the environment it makes liberals tax something they dont like
 
2012-07-12 04:30:29 PM  

elffster: GOP to vote to remove new jobs in 3..2.....1....


They aren't the right kind of jobs.
 
2012-07-12 04:36:29 PM  
Keep up Subby, I added carbon fartprint to the Urban Dictionary 5 years ago.
 
2012-07-12 04:37:45 PM  
Is tipping involved?
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-12 04:39:34 PM  

Arkanaut: lewismarktwo: It's actually their burps that have the most methane but that makes such a poorer sounding report.

If that's a pun on the somewhat archaic definition of "report" meaning "a loud noise, as from an explosion", then kudos to you! Also, you must be tired after arriving here from the 19th century. May I take your homburg?


Lol, I do actually own a homburg but forgot what it was called until just then.
 
2012-07-12 04:43:38 PM  
FTA:

"We would have to identify the acreage of these leasing parcels, the number of cattle occupying these parcels. We would have to calculate and develop an estimate of the emissions," Tuers said. "It'd just be more of an additional workload for us here."

So basically someone would have to call the ranchers for a head count, multiply that by figures already available for per-cow emissions, and average that over the amount of land they're leasing (which they should already know.)

I can see how that would be an intolerable burden. Might take all of an afternoon for one guy.

But hey... CARBON TAX! GOVERNMENT WASTE! COW FARTS! and a quick, easy article for some guy at Trib.com

More interesting is the question of how the area got to be out of compliance... It sounds like the situation of a restaurant caught with health-code violations complaining about additional inspections being a burden.
 
2012-07-12 04:44:31 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Even so, once the state implementation plan takes effect, the BLM would have to find out exactly how many cattle are munching grass on federal land - and how much methane they subsequently release.

/Seriously? With the bloated deficit we have, you are worried about cow farts enough to spend taxpayers money on studying them? (facepalms) Ok..ill bite, lets say you do find out how much they produce. What are you going to do then? Outlaw farting? Give all the cows "beano"? Kill all the cows? Taxpayers would rather have you spend their hard earned tax dollars funding something like social programs or alternative fuel research. But no, you have to study cow gas.


Don't be so shortsighted.
You can't understand something or know how to deal with it (or whether it needs to be dealt with at all) without knowing how it works.

Let's say you had the idea to use the methane as a power source, or for heating fuel. Wouldn't it be useful to know exactly how much was being produced so you knew how much energy you could expect to get out of it? That sounds like "alternative fuel" to me -- and with the double benefit of making use of a sequestered greenhouse gas that doesn't require mining or drilling operations.
 
2012-07-12 04:46:23 PM  
This include subby's mom?
 
2012-07-12 04:46:39 PM  

ows: damn, i can stand around all day listening to cow farts and make $25 hour


I bet that job stinks
 
2012-07-12 04:49:59 PM  

lewismarktwo: Arkanaut: lewismarktwo: It's actually their burps that have the most methane but that makes such a poorer sounding report.

If that's a pun on the somewhat archaic definition of "report" meaning "a loud noise, as from an explosion", then kudos to you! Also, you must be tired after arriving here from the 19th century. May I take your homburg?

Lol, I do actually own a homburg but forgot what it was called until just then.


You'd better take it off
'Cause your overcoat is too long.

/surely not obscure on fark
 
2012-07-12 04:52:43 PM  

Gawdzila: You can't understand something or know how to deal with it (or whether it needs to be dealt with at all) without knowing how it works.


It's not like the science behind how methane is produced in cow isn't understood. If the government is studying this just because they're curious then our money is being wasted. It's not like the government trying to solve problems is something you need to defend. That's their job.
 
2012-07-12 04:54:01 PM  

maxheck: More interesting is the question of how the area got to be out of compliance... It sounds like the situation of a restaurant caught with health-code violations complaining about additional inspections being a burden.


One of the related articles there says it was caused by oil and gas drilling.
 
2012-07-12 04:56:51 PM  
Unintelligible Consequence: Slim smarties parsing points when they might want to consider helpful solutions.

Religion of Scientific Intolerance:
GLOBAL COOLING -> WARMING -> CLIMATE CHANGE



Please stop!

You are embarrassing your offspring and true scientists. Science promotes discourse and competition, not gathering political money to further an agenda. if you disagree with the Global Warming folks you will be ostracized as a heretic.
 
2012-07-12 05:08:45 PM  

WTFDYW: OK. This is a real f*cking stupid idea and a waste of money, but since they are gonna do it anyway, where do I send my resume?


All of the jobs are reserved for Obama campaign bundlers and donors of over 10 grand. If you don't fall into either of those categories, don't bother.
 
2012-07-12 05:18:51 PM  

chaddsfarkprefect: if you disagree with the Global Warming folks you will be ostracized as a heretic.


Only if you cannot address the evidence in favor of that conclusion. If someone disagrees with a theory, or the interpretation of an observation, in order for it to be an acceptable paradigm in science it needs to be supported empirically. We expected nothing less when the people who came to the conclusion that global warming was happening all those decades ago, we expect nothing more now that global warming is accepted by *every* scientific establishment around the world that studies the topics related to global warming. Want to disagree? Great, please go into explicit detail why, taking into account and better explaining the entire corpus of available data than the current theories do.
 
2012-07-12 05:50:35 PM  
treehumper.org
BVVVVVVVRRRRRRTTT!!!!!

blogs.ajc.com
VUN!
 
2012-07-12 05:59:12 PM  

Kome: chaddsfarkprefect: if you disagree with the Global Warming folks you will be ostracized as a heretic.

Only if you cannot address the evidence in favor of that conclusion. If someone disagrees with a theory, or the interpretation of an observation, in order for it to be an acceptable paradigm in science it needs to be supported empirically. We expected nothing less when the people who came to the conclusion that global warming was happening all those decades ago, we expect nothing more now that global warming is accepted by *every* scientific establishment around the world that studies the topics related to global warming. Want to disagree? Great, please go into explicit detail why, taking into account and better explaining the entire corpus of available data than the current theories do.


What if I just really really *want* it to be untrue?
 
2012-07-12 06:13:36 PM  

Zyme: You do realize that some farms have become independent of the grid by trapping the methane off of cow pastures?

There are difficulties in transporting the methane long distance but for a farm, you can cut a significant portion of your heating and electricity bill through burning and power generation using the tapped methane.


This sounds like socialism.
 
2012-07-12 06:14:05 PM  
 
2012-07-12 06:14:08 PM  

Zyme: You do realize that some farms have become independent of the grid by trapping the methane off of cow pastures?

There are difficulties in transporting the methane long distance but for a farm, you can cut a significant portion of your heating and electricity bill through burning and power generation using the tapped methane.


You better watch out how loud you say that stuff. Next thing you know, there will be a mandate forcing us to collect and burn all our own shiat. Then, they can tax us more because we arent buying oil and having that taxed.
 
2012-07-12 06:15:09 PM  
www.jamesramsden.com
 
2012-07-12 06:16:45 PM  
Cow fart counting.... Or as I call it, a weekend at Aunt Agnes' house.
 
2012-07-12 06:18:23 PM  
I'm most surprised that they don't already know how many cattle are being grazed on the public's land. I would think, regardless of methane production, it would be in the BLM's interest to know what kind of grazing load the land is subjected to. Over-grazing can be immensely damaging; how do they monitor this if they don't even know how large the herds are that are being let loose on BLM land?

Regarding the methane issue, it isn't like you need to sit someone out there counting every cow and fart; all they need to know is how many cattle are being grazed out there for how long and use existing data on methane production to estimate the load. They appear to be making a big deal out of something pretty simple that should take minimal man-power; just need to get herd sizes from the ranchers, and maybe perform a few spot inspections to keep them honest.
 
2012-07-12 06:37:41 PM  
Need a picture of Obama snob with a wine glass of cow fart "Yes I do create jobs"
 
2012-07-12 06:47:23 PM  
Yes, let's just ignore the massive amounts of methane being put out by these animals. Being blissfully ignorant of the actual impact is surely better for our scientists, they have too much to do anyway.
 
2012-07-12 09:17:03 PM  
This tired old trope? My dad (who is sadly a big Glen Beck fan) read in one of his "books" about the whole cow-methane-global warming business. I replied, "So Glenn BEck would have us become vegetarians?"
 
2012-07-12 11:06:36 PM  
But that would divert much needed staff from the torturing & killing of wild horses!

What an outrage!!!! 1111
 
2012-07-12 11:10:01 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Zyme: You do realize that some farms have become independent of the grid by trapping the methane off of cow pastures?

There are difficulties in transporting the methane long distance but for a farm, you can cut a significant portion of your heating and electricity bill through burning and power generation using the tapped methane.

You better watch out how loud you say that stuff. Next thing you know, there will be a mandate forcing us to collect and burn all our own shiat. Then, they can tax us more because we arent buying oil and having that taxed.


Burning causes too much CO2.

You will have to eat it.
 
2012-07-12 11:29:44 PM  
Do wet farts count as two farts or one fart?
 
2012-07-13 01:35:00 AM  
So let me get this straight... All this time I thought it was an ecological disaster that all the cowboys shot millions of buffalo 150 years ago. Now they are thinking it will save the planet to shoot all the cows?... Will they make up their fark'n mind! The next thing you know they will tell me that global warming will cause the next ice age.
Christ, who is paying for all this crap anyway?
 
2012-07-13 03:15:27 AM  
If we didn't just treat our waste water send it off back into the rivers and instead we set up oil producing algae farms to convert Ammonia to Oil and used thermal depolymerization, the human waste stream could produce 70% of the average use of gasoline in the US. If we further incorporated the animal waste stream using thermal depolymerization and oil producing algae farms we could easily become an oil exporting country.

We have the technology to make the US energy independent in 12 years, for the cost of about 15 billion a year of investments. And the real beauty of it, is that the US becomes carbon neutral, and we don't give up a single iota of our current standard of living.

Collecting cow flatulence (Natural Gas (CH4)) would of course be useful at the feed lots, and could be done in addition to the harvesting of animal manures for processes above to power the thermal depolymerization process.
 
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