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(CBS Minnesota)   Two men who tried to kill each other 40 years ago in Vietnam meet as friends: "I hope that our friendship sparks other friendships among Vietnamese and American veterans"   (minnesota.cbslocal.com) divider line 9
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2012-07-12 02:37:48 PM
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It's time for the US to come out and say we backed the wrong horse in this struggle. HCM was a freedom fighter in WWII, and after the war we helped France regain its colony, big mistake. A lot of lives could have been saved. We owe them an apology for destroying their country.
2012-07-12 03:51:45 PM
2 votes:
You must make a friend of Horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared.
2012-07-12 03:02:21 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: "And he became very emotional, and teared up, as we were walking by the wall, in Washington D.C., with all those 58,000 American names on it," Cherry said.

I have to yell at the TV when they say "58000 people died in the war". Because 3,000,000 Vietnamese died in the war. Are they not people? That gets me really yelling at the TV. Or radio. Probably loud enough that they can hear me.
2012-07-13 01:19:04 PM
1 votes:
Us and Them
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do
2012-07-12 06:47:09 PM
1 votes:
I saw a VC Solider pick up a little Vietnamese baby. With one hand, he held it by the wrist; with the other, he held it by the opposite ankle. Then he pulled it right in half, laughing.

In the POW camp, I watched three VC soldiers rape my best friend, first with their dicks, and then with their bayonets.

As I escaped the camp, I watched the skulls of the three guys in front of me explode, throwing brains all over me as I ran through their red, red mist.

Then when I finally got home, I watched a protester run up to me and spit in my face as I was stepping off the plane.

Some nights, even still, I wish I was back in the jungle. At least in the jungle you only had two options: live or die. Here in the States, you've got to do a little bit of both, every single god damn day, just to survive. It's too complicated for a man like me.

Man, I feel you. If you want to hook up sometime, I'll show you my ear collection.
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2012-07-12 04:14:41 PM
1 votes:

casual disregard: Kevin72: I'm amazed at the number of people who are sticking up for the Nazis, and at the number of people unhappy at me for sticking up for the Vietnamese.

I don't think that's the full scope of the issue here. Governments go to war. Citizens either volunteer or are conscripted. The Government can surely be 100% evil. We've seen it throughout history. Not just recently, but throughout all of recorded history. Genuinely evil citizens are very rare. The vast astonishing majority of us just want to raise a family and do some good work. Sometimes the evil ones slip through the cracks. We can't catch them all, unfortunately. In my opinion, the worst offender is Pol Pot. Hitler runs a close second. Hard to say who could possibly come in third. But even with those numbers, billions more have lived good lives, even as we warred with one another.


I remember some guy talking, maybe it was Band of Brothers, not sure, about how he was in France, walking along a road through some thick fog. Then out of the fog stepped a German infantry man, and the both stopped for a second, surprised as hell to see each other. Then they both raised their weapons and the US guy fired first, killing the German soldier.

That German soldier wasn't sitting with Hitler's inner circle planning out the Final Solution. Chances are he was just some young guy (potentially really young by that time in the war) told to suit up and go patrol some area, and who happened to be slow on the draw that day.

A lot of folks don't understand that part of war. Hell, I only understand it intellectually. I don't have the experience to go with it other than siding with my vaguely-arab-looking friends against morons in the weeks after 9/11, but you're right, it's governments that go to war. People for the most part just get dragged into it. I might not be a big fan of Pakistan's government, but like hell I'm gonna let someone take it out on one of my friends from there.
2012-07-12 03:57:00 PM
1 votes:
I'm amazed at the number of people who are sticking up for the Nazis, and at the number of people unhappy at me for sticking up for the Vietnamese.
2012-07-12 03:49:20 PM
1 votes:

Kevin72: No I do not feel bad about the Germans who died in World War ll. they were the aggressors and were outright evil. The South Vietnamese were our allies, and we were fighting with the hope that all Vietnam could be free. And yes I side with the Russians of that era who were also our allies and sacrificed enormously to stop Hitler and the Nazis.


Excuse me, but you are flat out wrong about Germany. Most of the evil ones were executed for their crimes. The rest were ordinary citizens following orders. Yes, some of the evil ones managed to escape their fates through suicide, premature death on the battlefield, and the handful who genuinely fled and hid until their natural end. But humans have a strange ability to follow orders no matter how dire. Read about Milgram's famous experiment where unexpecting participants were commanded to cause harm to actors.

We are perfectly willing to do as we are told by a perceived competent authority. It's how the Nazi evil was able to spread so rapidly and so effectively. It can happen anywhere. It can happen today. It can happen to you and everyone you hold dear. If you imagine your enemy is naturally monstrous, you should realize that you, too, could be a monster. It's so easy to do wrong.
2012-07-12 03:02:51 PM
1 votes:
True warriors bear no personal ill will to their enemy. They are the enemy; you fight them, you defeat them, you respect them, but you do not hate them. Hatred blinds you to the mssion. As a combat veteran myself I can tell you that very few soldiers hate the enemy except in the most abstract sense. The ones that harbored personal hatred were generally the ones you didn't want to be alone with because they were pretty much crazy.

/has some stories.
 
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