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(The Daily Dolt)   "It is difficult to imagine Romney giving a speech to, say, a group of white Iowa factory workers and then saying he got booed because those blue-collar Iowans just want 'free stuff'"   (thedailydolt.com) divider line 154
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2012-07-12 11:54:43 AM
I like the "Tadah, you're white!" photo.
 
2012-07-12 11:58:35 AM
Agree:

"But see, sometimes when you are trying to get working-class whites to vote against their economic interests, you have to convince them that they are part of the privileged group that will benefit from your conservative fiscal policies. Sounds like a tough sell, but it's actually not that difficult. No one likes the idea of moochers, so just convince working-class whites that it's those Other People who are doing the mooching, not them. ."
 
2012-07-12 11:59:55 AM
But Iowans DO want free stuff.

That's why during the primaries every single candidate regardless of party talks about expanding or preserving agricultural subsidies.
 
2012-07-12 12:06:28 PM

Aarontology: But Iowans DO want free stuff.

That's why during the primaries every single candidate regardless of party talks about expanding or preserving agricultural subsidies.


Of course they do. Everyone does, just no one wants to admit it. Everyone wants to blame the other guy. By telling the NAACP that he won't give them any "free stuff," Romney doesn't hurt his chances with people in Iowa (swing state) who want agricultural subsidies, because they don't view themselves as the people getting the free handouts.
 
2012-07-12 12:19:40 PM
This was the first masterstroke I have seen from the Romney campaign.

He goes before the NAACP and intentionally says something he knows will get him booed.

When video of his statement and the crowd reaction inevitably goes to every news channel and corner of the internet, claim they booed him because they "want free stuff".

Sure its idiotic and makes no sense -- the leadership of the NAACP isn't Romney rich, but they are very wealthy people. But it is a dog whistle to all the "right" people, and it costs him nothing because they people he offends are never going to vote for him anyway. It's a flat out win.

This, friends, is an IRL troll worthy of Obama.
 
2012-07-12 12:43:06 PM
The funniest part is that Obamacare isn't free. It's the OPPOSITE of free. It's a requirement that you purchase something.
 
2012-07-12 12:53:57 PM

LRA61380: Aarontology: But Iowans DO want free stuff.

That's why during the primaries every single candidate regardless of party talks about expanding or preserving agricultural subsidies.

Of course they do. Everyone does, just no one wants to admit it. Everyone wants to blame the other guy. By telling the NAACP that he won't give them any "free stuff," Romney doesn't hurt his chances with people in Iowa (swing state) who want agricultural subsidies, because they don't view themselves as the people getting the free handouts.


Bingo.
 
2012-07-12 01:00:21 PM
Not so much a dog whistle as it is an air horn.
 
2012-07-12 01:09:09 PM
Iowans don't want corn subsidies?
 
2012-07-12 01:17:48 PM

gilgigamesh: This was the first masterstroke I have seen from the Romney campaign.

He goes before the NAACP and intentionally says something he knows will get him booed.

When video of his statement and the crowd reaction inevitably goes to every news channel and corner of the internet, claim they booed him because they "want free stuff".

Sure its idiotic and makes no sense -- the leadership of the NAACP isn't Romney rich, but they are very wealthy people. But it is a dog whistle to all the "right" people, and it costs him nothing because they people he offends are never going to vote for him anyway. It's a flat out win.

This, friends, is an IRL troll worthy of Obama.


They have played it a lot better than I was expecting.
 
2012-07-12 01:20:07 PM

gilgigamesh: This was the first masterstroke I have seen from the Romney campaign.

He goes before the NAACP and intentionally says something he knows will get him booed.

When video of his statement and the crowd reaction inevitably goes to every news channel and corner of the internet, claim they booed him because they "want free stuff".

Sure its idiotic and makes no sense -- the leadership of the NAACP isn't Romney rich, but they are very wealthy people. But it is a dog whistle to all the "right" people, and it costs him nothing because they people he offends are never going to vote for him anyway. It's a flat out win.

This, friends, is an IRL troll worthy of Obama.


For the 25% of the right-wing mouth-breathers, sure.

The other 75% of the country probably don't look upon this as favorable.
 
2012-07-12 01:34:43 PM
Come here and tell our Republicans that you're ending Ethanol subsidies.....
 
2012-07-12 01:35:20 PM
The difference being, of course, that Romney actually has a shot at winning white Iowans.
 
2012-07-12 01:36:08 PM

gilgigamesh: This was the first masterstroke I have seen from the Romney campaign.

When video of his statement and the crowd reaction inevitably goes to every news channel and corner of the internet, claim they booed him because they "want free stuff".

Sure its idiotic and makes no sense -- the leadership of the NAACP isn't Romney rich, but they are very wealthy people. But it is a dog whistle to all the "right" people, and it costs him nothing because they people he offends are never going to vote for him anyway. It's a flat out win.


I'm not getting it. For the they "want free stuff" bit to work, the hearer has to be a racist who will make that connection. Nobody else will think of it that way.

Willard's already got the racist vote sewn up tight and, as you say, the people who would be offended aren't going to vote for him anyway. Where's the win?

The only possible change would be among non-racists who are leaning toward Rmoney for other reasons. He might actually lose a few there.
 
2012-07-12 01:37:16 PM

Politicandy: The funniest part is that Obamacare isn't free. It's the OPPOSITE of free. It's a requirement that you purchase something.


Actually, since it expands coverage while driving administrative overhead out, it stretches the health care dollar you were going to be spending anyways further. So it is the opposite of the opposite of free.

/would be even more efficient if it were single payer, but I'm Canadian- WTF do I know
 
2012-07-12 01:43:32 PM

unyon: Politicandy: The funniest part is that Obamacare isn't free. It's the OPPOSITE of free. It's a requirement that you purchase something.

Actually, since it expands coverage while driving administrative overhead out, it stretches the health care dollar you were going to be spending anyways further. So it is the opposite of the opposite of free.

/would be even more efficient if it were single payer, but I'm Canadian- WTF do I know


The opposite of a hand-out is more what I meant.
 
2012-07-12 01:44:29 PM

MrBallou: Willard's already got the racist vote sewn up tight and, as you say, the people who would be offended aren't going to vote for him anyway. Where's the win?


That's where you're wrong. The main concern is that Mittens isn't considered a "real conservative" and is actually a liberal or RINO who won't actually govern as a conservative when elected (as reinforced by his actions in Mass). As such, the danger is not that they will vote for Obama, but, rather, that they won't vote at all.

So these dog whistles are intended to resonate with that "base".
 
2012-07-12 01:44:34 PM
"Now, imagine they're white"

www.andpop.com
 
2012-07-12 01:46:00 PM
Have Rmoney tell a group of TEA Party Patriots that they are going to lose their free Medicare. That will end well.
 
2012-07-12 01:46:12 PM
"Rush Limbaugh helpfully pointed out that the NAACP was booing because Romney is white. Sure, the only time the audience booed was when Romney said he planned to repeal Obamacare, but that was probably also the exact moment that the spotlight over his podium was brightest, making him appear even more white at that precise second, so it's a valid point."

hehe that's good stuff
 
2012-07-12 01:46:55 PM

unyon: Politicandy: The funniest part is that Obamacare isn't free. It's the OPPOSITE of free. It's a requirement that you purchase something.

Actually, since it expands coverage while driving administrative overhead out, it stretches the health care dollar you were going to be spending anyways further. So it is the opposite of the opposite of free.

/would be even more efficient if it were single payer, but I'm Canadian- WTF do I know


It also drives a LOT more folks into the hands of the large insurance companies. Who keep nailing their hands to their foreheads as they claim they are getting the vapors from expanded rolls to take cash from...
 
2012-07-12 01:47:01 PM

Bladel: Come here and tell our Republicans that you're ending Ethanol subsidies.....


Get your government hands off my ethanol subsidies!

Nah, doesn't sound as good.

//but it would still fit on a Tea Party placard quite well.
 
2012-07-12 01:47:32 PM

gilgigamesh: When video of his statement and the crowd reaction inevitably goes to every news channel and corner of the internet, claim they booed him because they "want free stuff".


this only works because we have a media that allows the right wing to constantly lie in the name of balance.
 
2012-07-12 01:48:17 PM

MrBallou: gilgigamesh: This was the first masterstroke I have seen from the Romney campaign.

When video of his statement and the crowd reaction inevitably goes to every news channel and corner of the internet, claim they booed him because they "want free stuff".

Sure its idiotic and makes no sense -- the leadership of the NAACP isn't Romney rich, but they are very wealthy people. But it is a dog whistle to all the "right" people, and it costs him nothing because they people he offends are never going to vote for him anyway. It's a flat out win.

I'm not getting it. For the they "want free stuff" bit to work, the hearer has to be a racist who will make that connection. Nobody else will think of it that way.

Willard's already got the racist vote sewn up tight and, as you say, the people who would be offended aren't going to vote for him anyway. Where's the win?

The only possible change would be among non-racists who are leaning toward Rmoney for other reasons. He might actually lose a few there.


I'm not sure they have to be racist, they have to not think about what is being said at all. Perhaps those are similar, but not the same. The Right usually hides behind being the latter.
 
2012-07-12 01:48:48 PM

Politicandy: The opposite of a hand-out is more what I meant.


It does have a lot of subsidization built in. It's not like the mandate part alone costs a lot of money.

Most people in the country make under 400% of the poverty line and thus are subsidy-eligible under PPACA (if they don't have an employer plan that is cheaper/better than the subsidized exchange plan).

How that's going to play out in the concrete? God only knows. But Massachusetts isn't a smoking crater, so I'm hopeful.
 
2012-07-12 01:49:22 PM

skullkrusher: "Rush Limbaugh helpfully pointed out that the NAACP was booing because Romney is white. Sure, the only time the audience booed was when Romney said he planned to repeal Obamacare, but that was probably also the exact moment that the spotlight over his podium was brightest, making him appear even more white at that precise second, so it's a valid point."

hehe that's good stuff


Romney should really go in whiteface to get the maximum boo-age permitted by law.
 
2012-07-12 01:49:41 PM
As far as I can tell, we taxpayers have sent in our tax money. So this "free stuff" (like roads, schools, etc.) should go to us. NOT to tax breaks for billionaires who have paid no taxes at all!
 
2012-07-12 01:49:49 PM
I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten the same reaction had he said it on Bill Maher. And we know how black that crowd is.

I see its already been pointed out that you can't cry about something being a "tax" and then say that it's free.
 
2012-07-12 01:49:53 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: MrBallou: Willard's already got the racist vote sewn up tight and, as you say, the people who would be offended aren't going to vote for him anyway. Where's the win?

That's where you're wrong. The main concern is that Mittens isn't considered a "real conservative" and is actually a liberal or RINO who won't actually govern as a conservative when elected (as reinforced by his actions in Mass). As such, the danger is not that they will vote for Obama, but, rather, that they won't vote at all.

So these dog whistles are intended to resonate with that "base".


Guess you're right. That's just sick.
 
2012-07-12 01:50:25 PM
"But I hope people understand this, your friends who like Obamacare, you remind them of this, if they want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy-more free stuff."

Is Romney saying that his donors in Montana are friends with NAACP members?
 
2012-07-12 01:51:23 PM
It is also difficult to imagine that after he got booed and then had another line which was about his support for traditional marriage that when the audience applauded that the media wouldn't cover that.
 
2012-07-12 01:51:29 PM

TV's Vinnie: As far as I can tell, we taxpayers have sent in our tax money. So this "free stuff" (like roads, schools, etc.) should go to us. NOT to tax breaks for billionaires who have paid no taxes at all!


that is truly an epidemic. There are at least zero of those.
 
2012-07-12 01:51:43 PM

skullkrusher: "But I hope people understand this, your friends who like Obamacare, you remind them of this, if they want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy-more free stuff."

Is Romney saying that his donors in Montana are friends with NAACP members?


The blacks are just the right height in Montana.
 
2012-07-12 01:52:17 PM
Romney is such a piss poor campaigner. If the economy didn't still kind of suck, he would lose by double digits.
 
2012-07-12 01:52:47 PM

hubiestubert: It also drives a LOT more folks into the hands of the large insurance companies. Who keep nailing their hands to their foreheads as they claim they are getting the vapors from expanded rolls to take cash from...


Sure it does. But uninsured emergency room and other non-payers might as well have been part of the system, since the costs of their care were. Adding them, even at zero-cost insurance, changes nothing.

And while the addition to the insurance rolls was a huge boon to the numbers for insurance companies, the tradeoff was in the permissible overhead percentage cap at 15%.

/Which begs the question- Why the fark do I as a Canadian feel like I know more about the ACA than most Americans?
 
2012-07-12 01:54:13 PM

TV's Vinnie: As far as I can tell, we taxpayers have sent in our tax money. So this "free stuff" (like roads, schools, etc.) should go to us. NOT to tax breaks for billionaires who have paid no taxes at all!


do you not get to ride on the roads and go to schools?

what billionaires are not paying any taxes at all? How are they getting tax breaks? CItation?

the CBO would disagree with you as the top 20% pay 94% of taxes.
 
2012-07-12 01:54:18 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: MrBallou: Willard's already got the racist vote sewn up tight and, as you say, the people who would be offended aren't going to vote for him anyway. Where's the win?

That's where you're wrong. The main concern is that Mittens isn't considered a "real conservative" and is actually a liberal or RINO who won't actually govern as a conservative when elected (as reinforced by his actions in Mass). As such, the danger is not that they will vote for Obama, but, rather, that they won't vote at all.

So these dog whistles are intended to resonate with that "base".


That's the thing... The presidential election is close to foregone. The Republicans are not campaigning for Romney because he's not going to win. Their real goal is to turn out as much of the base as possible to win Congressional seats. The Dems, so far, are handily winning the presidential battle but losing the war because they don't actually know where the war is.
 
2012-07-12 01:54:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also difficult to imagine that after he got booed and then had another line which was about his support for traditional marriage that when the audience applauded that the media wouldn't cover that.


The audience applauded after a few of his lines. They only booed after one of them.
 
2012-07-12 01:56:14 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also difficult to imagine that after he got booed and then had another line which was about his support for traditional marriage that when the audience applauded that the media wouldn't cover that.


NAACP boos Romney on Obamacare, applauds stand on traditional marriage
 
2012-07-12 01:56:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also difficult to imagine that after he got booed and then had another line which was about his support for traditional marriage that when the audience applauded that the media wouldn't cover that.


Christian bigotry is hardly newsworthy.
 
2012-07-12 01:58:24 PM
Remember, folks. It's "those entitled firefighters" not "those entitled farmers"
 
2012-07-12 01:58:58 PM
If you eat enough, you can get one of these for free:

farm2.static.flickr.com

And believe me, white folk want them.
 
2012-07-12 01:59:39 PM

LRA61380: Agree:

"But see, sometimes when you are trying to get working-class whites to vote against their economic interests, you have to convince them that they are part of the privileged group that will benefit from your conservative fiscal policies. Sounds like a tough sell, but it's actually not that difficult. No one likes the idea of moochers, so just convince working-class whites that it's those Other People who are doing the mooching, not them. ."



Howard Zinn traces the persistent use of this strategy by white elites throughout American history in A People's History of the United States
 
2012-07-12 02:00:01 PM

skullkrusher: "Rush Limbaugh helpfully pointed out that the NAACP was booing because Romney is white. Sure, the only time the audience booed was when Romney said he planned to repeal Obamacare, but that was probably also the exact moment that the spotlight over his podium was brightest, making him appear even more white at that precise second, so it's a valid point."


They did also boo him when he said he would be the best candidate for African Americans. I'm sure that had nothing to do with Romney being white and Obama being an African American. No chance of a single person being racist in a NAACP meeting.

I vaguely remember a thread where Obama was booed during a speech and there were 1000 posts about how racist the crowd was...
 
2012-07-12 02:01:39 PM
Unfortunately stirring up racial resentment is probably still good politics. As long as there is someone else to point the finger at and blame for your misfortunes, you might be wiling to vote for the guy actually responsible.

Thanks Ronald Reagan for perpetuating the utter falsehood of Cadillac driving welfare queens and strapping young bucks getting free t-bone steaks.
 
2012-07-12 02:01:54 PM
I don't deny the effects but I still think they were gaffes. Just no way the etchasketch treeheight NASCAR owners $10K bet sport campaign is this clever.
 
2012-07-12 02:02:13 PM
RomneyCare is good policy, but Obamacare is giving black people "free stuff"?

Someone in the Republican Party finds this argument acceptable?
 
2012-07-12 02:02:44 PM

xtragrind: They did also boo him when he said he would be the best candidate for African Americans. I'm sure that had nothing to do with Romney being white and Obama being an African American. No chance of a single person being racist in a NAACP meeting.


based on their past voting record of always voting against republicans it wouldn't matter how white the democrat candidate was.
 
2012-07-12 02:02:56 PM

xtragrind: They did also boo him when he said he would be the best candidate for African Americans. I'm sure that had nothing to do with Romney being white and Obama being an African American. No chance of a single person being racist in a NAACP meeting.


I mean just look at all the great things wealthy, white Republicans have done for the black community in the past...
 
2012-07-12 02:03:57 PM

xtragrind: I vaguely remember a thread where Obama was booed during a speech and there were 1000 posts about how racist the crowd was...


I would be vague if I were making up numbers too.
 
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