ha-ha-guy: Ow! That was my feelings!: bsharitt: All the Republicans who cry out for "states' rights" on issues like health care and gay marriage support the feds backing down over medical marijuana and allowing states to control it themselves, right?

Actually, in Colorado anyway, some Repubs are pro-herb legalization. Not the evangelicals(no surprise) or tea partiers(kinda surprising, hypocritical).

We run a bit more on the libertarian side out here. Had some DEA guy show up at our town council meeting and give us a lecture about all the trouble we could get into with the federal government if the town granted a permit to a medical marijuana dispensary. The local cops told him point blank if the DEA planned on raiding it, bring a tank, because the SWAT team would be called in to deal with the abuse of federal government powers.

That's the way I feel about the issue.

The will of the people should be respected, and the people of Cali voted for that shiat, so their will should be respected.

AbbeySomeone: BofA seems to appear on a number of sh*t lists and yet they got a huge bailout. Why do people bank with them?

In my case it isn't by choice. I had a home mortgage get sold to them about a year ago. About two months after that I had a credit card get sold to them as well. I stopped using the credit card but can't exactly stop paying the mortgage.

Hagenhatesyouall: meanmutton: Trashy: ATM solves everything...

You never go ATM.

You NEVER go ATM?

Ass To Mouth...

defects: Hagenhatesyouall: meanmutton: Trashy: ATM solves everything...

You never go ATM.

You NEVER go ATM?

Ass To Mouth...

... machine.

In Denver the dispensaries I've gone to have all had this problem already but with the local processing banks not the card companies themselves. Mysteriously the moral problems popped up when the banks owed the dispensaries thousands of dollars in approved transactions and they used it as a way to not give the dispensaries their share. fark a bank.

ReverendJynxed: I still love the hypocrisy of the feds. It's federally illegal yet in their very own federal district, it is legal for medical purposes. So it's ok for their own to have what they need but fark the rest of us right?

Err.. you mean Washington DC? The Feds don't "own" DC.

I think the bigger hypocrisy is that Marinol is legal and is a Schedule III drug. Guess what? Marinol is synthesized THC and you have to buy it from a drug company. It doesn't work very well.

Naturally-occurring THC in the plant is illegal. I think it's partly because you don't have to pay a drug company.

AeAe: Naturally-occurring THC in the plant is illegal. I think it's partly because you don't have to pay a drug company.

Wow, I've never heard that before.

WhoGAS: I'll adapt.

I won't buy it illegally if they take away the dispensaries; I'll simple stop doing it.

It will suck because I've had great sleep these past three years but I don't need to be in jail because I still have my kids.

If you really live in San Diego, how on earth would you end up in jail for buying weed? Do you buy it by the truckload?

Exam and Rx for pot - $100

Oz of Hydroponic Chronic - $120

Thumbing your nose at the Feds - Priceless

There's cash for the finer things in life...for everything else, there's MasterCard©

Vlad_the_Inaner: Will the merchant providers whine if their machines are used to purchase tokens, not bud?

They'd probably just charge you the cash advance rate, because they're assholes like that.

StoPPeRmobile: UseLessHuman: All this fuss over a plant that's twenty times less debilitating and fifty times less addictive than alcohol, which is already legal. Good job War on Drugs.

How much alcohol can one person hold?

Two handles of Everclear is nearly a gallon of ethyl alcohol, a good upper bound on what one person can reasonably carry. You could probably mini-keg it, too, that's 1.3 gal.

/Good bud's problem is that it's bulky, not heavy, so it's also awkward to store and carry more than a boxful.

StoPPeRmobile: AeAe: Naturally-occurring THC in the plant is illegal. I think it's partly because you don't have to pay a drug company.

Wow, I've never heard that before.

I know, right? He is making a lot of sense.

slognard: I wonder if this isn't also tied to the amount of chargebacks that must come about with medical marijuana. Go charge $300 worth of bud. Go home. Call your credit card company and claim that you never made the charge. Now it's up to the merchant to prove they made a sale that's illegal by federal standards?

I wouldn't recommend trying that in Colorado. Every single transaction is video recorded and archived.

ordinarysteve: Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: ordinarysteve: cman: Although I am pro-legalization, calling this asinine is a stretch.

These credit card companies are attempting to back away from possible federal legal proceedings. I dont really think that many of the workers up in Visa would like to be indicted on federal drug charges.

Yeah that's how I read the article too. Not that credit card companies aren't scumbags, they just have a good reason to not want to get involved in the sale of medical marijuana. And it's not like having to pay cash is the most terrible thing anyways (that's how I buy my weed, though a doctor is nowhere to be seen when I do it)

It does feel sketchy considering ALL of my other costs are taken care of via credit card or via debits from my bank account.

Yeah I agree but as others have pointed out above, the government shouldn't be arresting and seizing property for something that is legal in those 17 states. Pot is gonna be legal in a decade or so anyways IMO

Well from what I read- and I'm not a legal expert on this by any means- the CALIFORNIA initiative only legalized collective/co-op distribution of MJ. The dispensaries are flaunting the law and listing not "prices" but "donations", and include a sign that the donations aren't optional nor negotiable.

Legally, they're only supposed to be selling to members on a nonprofit basis (well, members own the business, so the members are essentially paying themselves). And they're not, the owners are making out like gangbusters. What's going on seems wildly illegal in terms of payments- and Visa may have a concern there, being that they're the party fulfilling those payments.

StoPPeRmobile: UseLessHuman: All this fuss over a plant that's twenty times less debilitating and fifty times less addictive than alcohol, which is already legal. Good job War on Drugs.

How much alcohol can one person hold?


Well cannabis will never cause you to slur, become agitated, belligerent, beat your wife and kids, fight that guy that's way too big for you, or swerve across oncoming lanes of traffic and kill innocent people/ruin families. It wont rot your kidneys and liver, eat away at your stomach lining, and cause gastritis.

I'd say cannabis can be reasonably called 20x less debilitating than pot.

stewbert: WhoGAS: I'll adapt.

I won't buy it illegally if they take away the dispensaries; I'll simple stop doing it.

It will suck because I've had great sleep these past three years but I don't need to be in jail because I still have my kids.

If you really live in San Diego, how on earth would you end up in jail for buying weed? Do you buy it by the truckload?

No, why? I'm not worried about the city; I'm worried about the feds. You may be young and reckless, but I'm older and can't afford to take chances.

SwiftFox: WhoGAS: SwiftFox: You know the ATMs these places would have would be the gas-station ripoff kind that only allows you to withdraw $100 at a time with a $5 charge. Better off for the customer telling them to walk down the street, whatever, to the bank.

I saw the Oaksterdam shop raid pictures in the paper. There was a branch of Community Bank of the Bay outside their back door, with an ATM.

No, they're not. They're normal ATMs with normal fees. $1.50 charge from the ATM bank and whatever your bank charges.

I've seen it go as high as $2.50 in the dispensaries I've used.

The $5 fee is reserved for the ATMs at Seaport Village. THOSE are ripoffs.

The $5 fee ones are all over the place, except when the machines have bank logos on them. Just watch as they display the terms.

You stated ALL would be like that. I used my personal experience over the past three years of going to various dispensaries to state your assertion was false. I doubt you have ever set foot inside of one otherwise you wouldn't have made that comment.

I watch as they display the terms each time I withdraw money...my statements are based on experience and not conjecture.

WhoGAS: stewbert: WhoGAS: I'll adapt.

I won't buy it illegally if they take away the dispensaries; I'll simple stop doing it.

It will suck because I've had great sleep these past three years but I don't need to be in jail because I still have my kids.

If you really live in San Diego, how on earth would you end up in jail for buying weed? Do you buy it by the truckload?

No, why? I'm not worried about the city; I'm worried about the feds. You may be young and reckless, but I'm older and can't afford to take chances.

No, man, I'm not young. I have 3 kids in the house. I am not worried in the least about federal hassles from possession of under an oz. If I lived in the Midwest still, I'd be more nervous, but not on the West Coast. I haven't heard of feds going after anyone but real dealers or huge medical grows/dispensaries. The federal gov't doesn't have the time or inclination to bust recreational users.

stewbert: WhoGAS: stewbert: WhoGAS: I'll adapt.

I won't buy it illegally if they take away the dispensaries; I'll simple stop doing it.

It will suck because I've had great sleep these past three years but I don't need to be in jail because I still have my kids.

If you really live in San Diego, how on earth would you end up in jail for buying weed? Do you buy it by the truckload?

No, why? I'm not worried about the city; I'm worried about the feds. You may be young and reckless, but I'm older and can't afford to take chances.

No, man, I'm not young. I have 3 kids in the house. I am not worried in the least about federal hassles from possession of under an oz. If I lived in the Midwest still, I'd be more nervous, but not on the West Coast. I haven't heard of feds going after anyone but real dealers or huge medical grows/dispensaries. The federal gov't doesn't have the time or inclination to bust recreational users.

Hope that's true. With all that's going on around here and how hard they're cracking down I just don't wanna be in the dispensary if they show up is all.

WhoGAS: Hope that's true. With all that's going on around here and how hard they're cracking down I just don't wanna be in the dispensary if they show up is all.


If you think a patient will do fed time for buying a couple grams in a dispensary, you're overblowing it and then some.