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2012-07-12 01:02:39 PM  
It's funny that the GOP makes that claim as another state tries to ban abortion through over-regulation or the US House of Representatives goes back to work on abortion legislation.
 
2012-07-12 01:10:09 PM  
I guess that rape rape bill had a lot of job creation riders in it. Shame it didn't pass.
 
2012-07-12 01:18:21 PM  
Obama's got Oprah's endorsement again, right?
 
2012-07-12 01:21:21 PM  
The GOP has convened a panel to discus the topic of women in the workplace.


www.porhomme.com
 
2012-07-12 01:32:06 PM  

vernonFL: The GOP has convened a panel to discus the topic of women in the workplace.


[www.porhomme.com image 640x426]


Roger Sterling's views on women are downright progressive compared to the modern GOP.
 
2012-07-12 01:46:43 PM  

Mentat: vernonFL: The GOP has convened a panel to discus the topic of women in the workplace.


[www.porhomme.com image 640x426]

Roger Sterling's views on women are downright progressive compared to the modern GOP.


And Harry, Paul, and Sal would be kicked out pretty quickly.

I think the ideal GOP panel on women's rights, Mad Men style, would be Connie Hilton and Bert Cooper reading sections of Atlas Shrugged aloud to each other
 
2012-07-12 01:51:53 PM  
Seeing that the prior GOP panel on women in the workplace was too liberal, the GOP has convened another panel to address the issues regarding women in the workplace.

www.vincev.com
 
2012-07-12 02:07:41 PM  

mahuika: Mentat: vernonFL: The GOP has convened a panel to discus the topic of women in the workplace.


[www.porhomme.com image 640x426]

Roger Sterling's views on women are downright progressive compared to the modern GOP.

And Harry, Paul, and Sal would be kicked out pretty quickly.

I think the ideal GOP panel on women's rights, Mad Men style, would be Connie Hilton and Bert Cooper reading sections of Atlas Shrugged aloud to each other


With Ida Blankenship making cracks about minorities.
 
2012-07-12 02:26:25 PM  
The House GOP must be going through withdrawal after having to vote on a bill that didn't have anti-abortion legislation in it...

images1.dailykos.com
 
2012-07-12 02:38:42 PM  

DeltaPunch: The House GOP must be going through withdrawal after having to vote on a bill that didn't have anti-abortion legislation in it...

[images1.dailykos.com image 432x325]


I'm honestly trying to figure out why they are doing this. It can't be just plain ol' religious ideology. There's money in this, somewhere.
 
2012-07-12 02:38:49 PM  
GOP Women in the Workplace Panel

www.romston.com

"Remember ladies, don't go to the copy room without picking them up a cup of coffee too!"

www.bahrainrights.org
 
2012-07-12 02:43:26 PM  

vernonFL: Seeing that the prior GOP panel on women in the workplace was too liberal, the GOP has convened another panel to address the issues regarding women in the workplace.

[www.vincev.com image 500x294]


Perhaps a short film on women in the work place would be appropriate here?

i293.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-12 02:43:52 PM  
Come on. Let's put the cards on the table.

Who is actually going to vote for Romney this fall?

Is it is "tradition" thing, or an "Anybody But 0bama" thing or "I stand to make a lot more money if Obama is out of office" thing or what, exactly?

Tax Cuts?

America is "moving too fast?"

I seriously want to know who these people are. Yes, I know the Koch Bros will be voting Romney this fall.
 
2012-07-12 02:45:12 PM  
The GOP are fast running out of feet to shoot themselves in on this issue.

/the only problem with women in the workplace is that they're not bringing me a bourbon
//there's a good girl
 
2012-07-12 02:47:45 PM  

whidbey: Come on. Let's put the cards on the table.

Who is actually going to vote for Romney this fall?

Is it is "tradition" thing, or an "Anybody But 0bama" thing or "I stand to make a lot more money if Obama is out of office" thing or what, exactly?

Tax Cuts?

America is "moving too fast?"

I seriously want to know who these people are. Yes, I know the Koch Bros will be voting Romney this fall.


I'm torn. On one hand, I'm a liberal and a registered Democrat, so I should be voting for Obama. On the other hand, the conservatives tell me that liberals and Democrats all hate America, and I can't think of a more hateful thing to do to this country this year than vote for Romney.
 
2012-07-12 02:48:16 PM  
So de facto GOP leader Rush Limbaugh's 3 day long slut rant was purely a figment of our imagination?
 
2012-07-12 02:48:20 PM  
Seeing that the prior GOP panel on women in the workplace was from a time when too many damn hippies were running around the place, the GOP has convened another panel to address the issues regarding women in the workplace.

explorepahistory.com
 
2012-07-12 02:48:58 PM  

Jake Havechek: So de facto GOP leader Rush Limbaugh's 3 day long slut rant was purely a figment of our imagination?


Apparently, they know they wanted it.
 
2012-07-12 02:51:54 PM  

Jake Havechek: So de facto GOP leader Rush Limbaugh's 3 day long slut rant was purely a figment of our imagination?


Dude. That like happened... ago. Like, in a time that's not right this time. If it is a thing that happened before then how can it be relevant to this very instant? You're crazy.
 
2012-07-12 02:53:34 PM  
What would you say women's support for abortion is? 80%? 90%?

It's been my experience that most chicks don't like the government mandating what they can do with their vaginas.
 
2012-07-12 02:54:38 PM  

jakomo002: What would you say women's support for abortion is? 80%? 90%?

It's been my experience that most chicks don't like the government mandating what they can do with their vaginas.


Or manginas.

whitenoiseinsanity.com
 
2012-07-12 02:55:14 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Jake Havechek: So de facto GOP leader Rush Limbaugh's 3 day long slut rant was purely a figment of our imagination?

Dude. That like happened... ago. Like, in a time that's not right this time. If it is a thing that happened before then how can it be relevant to this very instant? You're crazy.


Besides, it wasn't intended to be a factual statement.
 
2012-07-12 02:55:14 PM  
FTFA: "There is a war on women in America," an email from the super PAC reads, "and it's being waged by President Obama's job-killing economic policies."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the next time some talking-point spewing idiot uses the phrase "job killing policy" or "job killing regulation", they have exactly 15 seconds to name one and explain how that particular regulation is killing jobs. Failure to do so will result in a kick to the head with a steel-toed boot, followed by a ball-peen hammer to the nuts.

Seriously, if the loss of jobs is directly attributable to Obama's economic policies, then explain the massive loss of jobs and spike in unemployment from 2006-2008 when the Bush Administration - who's very policies you GOP cocks want to reinstate - was in charge. Then explain why unemployment has leveled off and gone down under Obama. I know the GOP trades in cognitive dissonance, but this is so friggin' irritating.
 
2012-07-12 02:55:20 PM  

whidbey: Is it is "tradition" thing, or an "Anybody But 0bama" thing or "I stand to make a lot more money if Obama is out of office" thing or what, exactly?


So I went home for the fourth of July, and after a bit of nettling, I told my parents that if Obama had been a republican president 20 years ago, instead of Bush 1st, with the exact same legislation and principles, they would have been championing him as the last great president of our lifetimes.

Here was the answer from a man who is retiring from a life of being a surgeon, making a good 300, 400k a year, complaining that teachers make too much and that he has to pay for a couple years of COBRA for my mom until she can join him on medicaid or else he'll get fined, why is COBRA more expensive than the fine, COBRA should only cost $700 a year:

"Son, 30 years ago JACK KENNEDY was a Republican. And your grandmother (the family atheist liberal) LOVED him."

Let that sink in for a bit. My father, an educated, upper class professional who is turning 65, thinks that only 30 years have passed since JFK was president, equates Obama to JFK in his heart, and instead of seeing the comparison to JFK as being proof of how far to the right the Republican party has skewed, he sees it as proof of how misguided the Republican party used to be, full of the libbiest libs who ever RINO'd.

He is voting for Mitt Romney, a man he openly declares SHOULD NOT be president, and will give you numerous reasons he should not be president, because Obama is the greatest danger this nation has EVER faced.

I don't get it, man. I don't get it at all.
 
2012-07-12 02:55:49 PM  

Nadie_AZ: DeltaPunch: The House GOP must be going through withdrawal after having to vote on a bill that didn't have anti-abortion legislation in it...

[images1.dailykos.com image 432x325]

I'm honestly trying to figure out why they are doing this. It can't be just plain ol' religious ideology. There's money in this, somewhere.


There's votes in this. Votes leading to power, leading to money. They don't give a crap about abortion, per se (well, maybe some like Santorum or Bachmann do), but they care about keeping the power they have and gaining more of it if possible. It's the same reason many of them run on all sort of family values.

Anti-homosexual marriage. Why? Because gays will destroy marriage... as said by many prominent Republican and conservative figures who have multiple ex-wives. They don't give a sh*t about marriage, they know it'll create jobs and boost the economy, but it'll cost them votes if they really support it. So they have to fight it, and to keep the votes coming in they have to fight it harder and harder.

Anti-evolution. Why? Because science kills religion... as said by many prominent politicians who either have loved ones saved thanks to the medical advances made possible by a modern understanding of evolutionary theory or were themselves saved. Heck, Ron Paul is a medical doctor. That profession is able to advance in large part due to advances in biology and chemistry. But they have to fight it to keep the votes coming in, and they have to fight louder as more politicians enter the arena knowing it's a cheap way to score points.

Anti-comprehensive sex education. Why? Because some people genuinely think if you keep children from knowing about X, they won't ever do X... as suggested by the well-known grandmother of a bastard child, Sarah Palin, among dozens and dozens of other prominent Republican politicians whose states are leaders for underage pregnancy and STD transmission.

We could go on and on and on through the list of "family value" talking points. But the point is, while a few of them may genuinely believe those lines (again, examples include people like Santorum or Bachmann), most of them don't. They just tow the party line as it progresses further to the right than the Third Reich ever dreamed of going because it's easier to get elected, it's easier to keep power, to get more, and to become the target of millions of dollars of campaign contributions and lobbying. The worst thing that could happen for the Republican party is if their expressed party platforms actually happened. But they have to waste everyone's time, and billions of taxpayer dollars ever year, fighting these fights they don't really want to win because their game plan is a little more long-term, abstract, and self-serving.
 
2012-07-12 02:55:53 PM  

Jake Havechek: So de facto GOP leader Rush Limbaugh's 3 day long slut rant was purely a figment of our imagination?


That seems even more sad and pathetic in light of everything that has happened since then.
 
2012-07-12 02:56:10 PM  

jakomo002: What would you say women's support for abortion is? 80%? 90%?

It's been my experience that most chicks don't like the government mandating what they can do with their vaginas.


Which is why I don't understand the other 10% at all. Voting Republican, staunch pro-lifers, I would expect. Prisoners of ideology? Or dumb as a sack of hair?
 
2012-07-12 02:58:27 PM  

whidbey: jakomo002: What would you say women's support for abortion is? 80%? 90%?

It's been my experience that most chicks don't like the government mandating what they can do with their vaginas.

Which is why I don't understand the other 10% at all. Voting Republican, staunch pro-lifers, I would expect. Prisoners of ideology? Or dumb as a sack of hair?


Stockholm Syndrome?
 
2012-07-12 02:59:05 PM  

evilmrsock: He is voting for Mitt Romney, a man he openly declares SHOULD NOT be president, and will give you numerous reasons he should not be president, because Obama is the greatest danger this nation has EVER faced.

I don't get it, man. I don't get it at all.


I don't either. If anything, he's doing it because he doesn't want to be caught supporting a liberal.

Never mind that Obama is politically right of center. Bush was "too liberal" for some of our erstwhile Fark Independents™ here.
 
2012-07-12 02:59:10 PM  
I don't understand how you folks think these abortion bans aren't jobs bills. By increasing the supply of labor, it will drive the labor market in the exact same way as increasing the amount of assets available to capital investors will drive capitalization of markets. It's simple supply-side economics.
 
2012-07-12 03:01:07 PM  
Seeing that the prior GOP panel on women in the workplace was from a time when women were starting to think of themselves as more than just property of their husbands and fathers, the GOP has convened another panel to address the issues regarding women in the workplace.

pics.livejournal.com
 
2012-07-12 03:01:21 PM  

vernonFL: The GOP has convened a panel to discus the topic of women in the workplace.


[www.porhomme.com image 640x426]


In all fairness, that one dude is gay.
 
2012-07-12 03:02:25 PM  
If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

Go ahead. Explain that one.
 
2012-07-12 03:02:40 PM  
I'm sure some of these people from this chart are women.
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-12 03:02:49 PM  
www.bartcop.com

www.bartcop.com
 
2012-07-12 03:03:24 PM  

whidbey: Who is actually going to vote for Romney this fall?


Here's my guess:
Demographic - percent Ronmey
Farmers - 80%
Men w/Household income > $150,000 - 70%
Women w/Household income > $150,000 - 50%
Men w/Household income Women w/Household income Men w/Household income Women w/Household income
 
2012-07-12 03:04:10 PM  

neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 640x534]

[www.bartcop.com image 455x704]


God I miss Ma Richards so much. It's been a parade of assholes down here ever since Bush Rove'd her. Or Rove Bush'd her. Or whatever. Point is, they've turned my state into the thing all you Farkers love to make fun of ever since she lost the governorship.
 
2012-07-12 03:04:15 PM  
I'm looking for Sarah Connor

img705.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-12 03:04:50 PM  

palladiate: I don't understand how you folks think these abortion bans aren't jobs bills. By increasing the supply of labor criminals, it will drive the labor market for-profit prisons in the exact same way as increasing the amount of assets available to capital investors will drive capitalization of markets. It's simple supply-side economics.


hilobrow.com

What people that know something about economics would correct, just for clarification purposes...

/hail Supply Side Jesus!
 
2012-07-12 03:05:36 PM  
littlegreenfootballs.com
 
2012-07-12 03:06:55 PM  

jakomo002: What would you say women's support for abortion is? 80%? 90%?

It's been my experience that most chicks don't like the government mandating what they can do with their vaginas.


You might be dealing with a biased sample.

Looks like there are just as many women as men who think the govt. should regulate (other) women.
 
2012-07-12 03:06:58 PM  

mainstreet62: [littlegreenfootballs.com image 485x313]


Is this a Mad Men cosplay at Comic-Con?
 
2012-07-12 03:07:32 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

Go ahead. Explain that one.


Now, now, that's not entirely true. About a year and a half ago, I got a link approved from Jim Manzi about unbundling the welfare state. That said, he's easily an outlier in the GOP given his statements that AGW is real and his reliance on science in his work.
 
2012-07-12 03:08:08 PM  

neversubmit: Ann Richards quote


And then they say wealthy stay at home mothers like Ann Romney are employed and work hard.
 
2012-07-12 03:09:41 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

Go ahead. Explain that one.


Because of the proportion of all Liberal links that contain factual, rational observations (high) compared to the proportion of GOP stories that contain same (very, very low), and due to the proportion of Liberal links that contain batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas (low), and the number of GOP stories that contain same (very, very high).

If you pull a marble out of a bag that contains 1 red marble and 19 blues ones, your odds of getting a blue marble are much higher than getting a red one. It's basic statistical math.
 
2012-07-12 03:11:06 PM  

Jackpot777: What people that know something about economics would correct, just for clarification purposes...


But I do know something about economics :( At least my BS in Economics says I do.
 
2012-07-12 03:16:05 PM  

palladiate: Jackpot777: What people that know something about economics would correct, just for clarification purposes...

But I do know something about economics :( At least my BS in Economics says I do.


That just means you know something about studying economics.
 
2012-07-12 03:21:55 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?


I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.
 
2012-07-12 03:22:56 PM  

draypresct: Looks like there are just as many women as men who think the govt. should regulate (other) women.


I think that's the point right there.

They're totally cool with the government telling other women that they can't have an abortion, but when they're in the situation, their tune changes quick. Then it's about "personal freedom" or some other catchphrase that they don't fully understand.
 
2012-07-12 03:23:53 PM  

SphericalTime: It's funny that the GOP makes that claim as another state tries to ban abortion through over-regulation or the US House of Representatives goes back to work on abortion legislation.


I fail to see the humor.
 
2012-07-12 03:23:57 PM  

palladiate: Jackpot777: What people that know something about economics would correct, just for clarification purposes...

But I do know something about economics :( At least my BS in Economics says I do.


And I believe you. I just wanted to say how I think Levitt and Dubner would agree with you with an example for the labor and the market.
 
2012-07-12 03:24:59 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: That just means you know something about studying economics.


That's still something!
 
2012-07-12 03:25:54 PM  
fta:Republicans have taken the same approach to courting women voters as they have to every other cohort - pointing out the economic suffering over the last four years and pinning it on Obama's inability to get the economy going again.

Yup, the GOP drag their heals and then try to blame Obama for the slow progress.

GOPhers eat it up.

Dems aint buying it.

Question is ...can they sell it successfully to the moderates and indies?

Ordinarily I'd say no but in a Post CU decision world all bets are off.
 
2012-07-12 03:27:40 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.


i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-12 03:27:43 PM  
Heels, even. Yeesh.

/Gonna call that an auto-correct error.
//It wasn't but calling it that is like the internet's version of a mulligan.
 
2012-07-12 03:28:50 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.


This. We don't like having one sided arguments that devolve into shiat flinging screaming matches. We'd really like to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into the GOP's Godwin (Liberal Bias).

Please prove us wrong. Please bring counter points to our government programs and subsidies. Show where we can reduce government intervention in our lives so when we do have to work with the government, it's efficient and actually does what it's supposed to.

We have lost the art of compromise, we need to find it again. I'd like to end a discussion with a rational conservative feeling like i was proven wrong, and shown an idea i could believe in, instead of feeling like my ideas were being dismissed while they go "Well, is that all you got? farking libs."
 
2012-07-12 03:30:01 PM  
(Well, I see Poe's job is done here.)
 
2012-07-12 03:31:25 PM  

jakomo002: draypresct: Looks like there are just as many women as men who think the govt. should regulate (other) women.

I think that's the point right there.

They're totally cool with the government telling other women that they can't have an abortion, but when they're in the situation, their tune changes quick. Then it's about "personal freedom" or some other catchphrase that they don't fully understand.


It's the same with welfare. There situation is total different and they should have able to abortion or welfare or foodstamps. It's all those other people that are immoral that shouldn't have access to those things.
 
2012-07-12 03:32:53 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 640x534]

[www.bartcop.com image 455x704]

God I miss Ma Richards so much. It's been a parade of assholes down here ever since Bush Rove'd her. Or Rove Bush'd her. Or whatever. Point is, they've turned my state into the thing all you Farkers love to make fun of ever since she lost the governorship.


Yuppo, Ann was a class act who's like Texas aint gonna see anytime soon.

/Miss Molly Ivins too.
//*sigh*
///Rick Perry is a living Looney Toon.
 
2012-07-12 03:33:00 PM  
Equal pay for equal work regardless of gender.....why are republicans blocking that labor law?
 
2012-07-12 03:35:20 PM  

Expolaris: I'd like to end a discussion with a rational conservative feeling like i was proven wrong, and shown an idea i could believe in, instead of feeling like my ideas were being dismissed while they go "Well, is that all you got? farking libs."


Bingo.

I would love to walk away from a conversation with a Conservative saying to myself "I never thought of it that way" or "hey, maybe that's a solution that would work for both sides" instead of "what a lying douchebag."
 
2012-07-12 03:35:57 PM  
The GOP are terrible on jobs and equal pay for women.

But also, contraception and reproductive health care are economic issues for women. Family planning and family size have a huge impact on women's careers. Preventing unplanned pregnancies is therefore a vital economic issue just as much as it is an issue of personal liberty.

"Barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen" is not a farking jobs plan for women, GOP.
 
2012-07-12 03:39:05 PM  

Citrate1007: Equal pay for equal work regardless of gender.....why are republicans blocking that labor law?


If a law affects businesses, as opposed to individuals, it's called a "regulation," and regulations are bad.

/Repeat that for me, Jimmy! "Regulations are bad!"
 
2012-07-12 03:40:29 PM  

Jackpot777: I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.


I would like to see a youtube video of a live unicorn while we're at it.
 
2012-07-12 03:44:52 PM  

Citrate1007: Jackpot777: I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.

I would like to see a youtube video of a live unicorn while we're at it.


At least yours could be faked. I'm shiat out of luck.
 
2012-07-12 03:46:31 PM  

evilmrsock: whidbey: Is it is "tradition" thing, or an "Anybody But 0bama" thing or "I stand to make a lot more money if Obama is out of office" thing or what, exactly?

So I went home for the fourth of July, and after a bit of nettling, I told my parents that if Obama had been a republican president 20 years ago, instead of Bush 1st, with the exact same legislation and principles, they would have been championing him as the last great president of our lifetimes.

Here was the answer from a man who is retiring from a life of being a surgeon, making a good 300, 400k a year, complaining that teachers make too much and that he has to pay for a couple years of COBRA for my mom until she can join him on medicaid or else he'll get fined, why is COBRA more expensive than the fine, COBRA should only cost $700 a year:

"Son, 30 years ago JACK KENNEDY was a Republican. And your grandmother (the family atheist liberal) LOVED him."

Let that sink in for a bit. My father, an educated, upper class professional who is turning 65, thinks that only 30 years have passed since JFK was president, equates Obama to JFK in his heart, and instead of seeing the comparison to JFK as being proof of how far to the right the Republican party has skewed, he sees it as proof of how misguided the Republican party used to be, full of the libbiest libs who ever RINO'd.

He is voting for Mitt Romney, a man he openly declares SHOULD NOT be president, and will give you numerous reasons he should not be president, because Obama is the greatest danger this nation has EVER faced.

I don't get it, man. I don't get it at all.


I think the best thing about your story is that, here in good old liberal-biased reality, Kennedy was a Democrat.
 
2012-07-12 03:49:57 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Citrate1007: Jackpot777: I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.

I would like to see a youtube video of a live unicorn while we're at it.

At least yours could be faked. I'm shiat out of luck.


I guess we just have wild ideas about compromise and bipartisan support for the betterment of the entire nation.

Crazy right? Who the fark does that?
 
2012-07-12 03:50:15 PM  

Jackpot777: And I believe you. I just wanted to say how I think Levitt and Dubner would agree with you with an example for the labor and the market.


I still have that laying around somewhere. I want to go back and reread that after my cosmology binge.
 
2012-07-12 03:52:09 PM  

Expolaris: The Why Not Guy: Citrate1007: Jackpot777: I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.

I would like to see a youtube video of a live unicorn while we're at it.

At least yours could be faked. I'm shiat out of luck.

I guess we just have wild ideas about compromise and bipartisan support for the betterment of the entire nation.

Crazy right? Who the fark does that?


Apparently Obama with the health care thing. Look how THAT worked out, using their idea.
 
2012-07-12 03:54:08 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Expolaris: I'd like to end a discussion with a rational conservative feeling like i was proven wrong, and shown an idea i could believe in, instead of feeling like my ideas were being dismissed while they go "Well, is that all you got? farking libs."

Bingo.

I would love to walk away from a conversation with a Conservative saying to myself "I never thought of it that way" or "hey, maybe that's a solution that would work for both sides" instead of "what a lying douchebag."


I would too. seriously, if just ONE conservative could show/tell me "republicans think this way because of (fact1), (fact2), (fact3), and on, backed up with something ANYTHING that wasn't pulled outta their arse hurrdurrr, I would be ecstatic.

/not a terribly libby lib
//definitely NOT a "today's conservative" though

/lying douchebags
 
2012-07-12 03:59:21 PM  

Expolaris: The Why Not Guy: Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

I'm Libbie McLib and I would love for there to be more factual, rational observations from our Conservative friends. Point me to them and I'll gladly read them.

This. We don't like having one sided arguments that devolve into shiat flinging screaming matches. We'd really like to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into the GOP's Godwin (Liberal Bias).

Please prove us wrong. Please bring counter points to our government programs and subsidies. Show where we can reduce government intervention in our lives so when we do have to work with the government, it's efficient and actually does what it's supposed to.


That's not true, there are a few of us here, but since I didn't see any of them here, I won't call out other farkers.

Sad fact is, most of the time we get called libby-libs by the trolls and since most Democrats are pretty centrist, you don't see a whole heck of a lot of vehement disagreement. Also, we don't say stupid crap that gets 1000s of responses.

Plus, we all want to punch the right-wing stupid in the face, so I can see how we're hard to distinguish sometimes.
 
2012-07-12 04:06:49 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 640x534]

[www.bartcop.com image 455x704]

God I miss Ma Richards so much. It's been a parade of assholes down here ever since Bush Rove'd her. Or Rove Bush'd her. Or whatever. Point is, they've turned my state into the thing all you Farkers love to make fun of ever since she lost the governorship.


So sad. The GOP seems to worship Rove for things like his attacks on her, yet fail to see the danger that comes with him being unleashed on their own (McCain in South Carolina).
 
2012-07-12 04:15:07 PM  
It took me 20 minutes and multiple citations to get my staunchly Republican friend to believe that once your income taxes go over a certain plateau it's ONLY the money over that plateau that is taxed and NOT the entire amount of income. He sat there in a very defeated state for awhile after it sunk in. It took several beers for him to be happy again.

Americans are willfully being lied to by the media and no one is stopping them.
 
2012-07-12 04:17:05 PM  

palladiate: Sad fact is, most of the time we get called libby-libs by the trolls and since most Democrats are pretty centrist, you don't see a whole heck of a lot of vehement disagreement. Also, we don't say stupid crap that gets 1000s of responses.


Unfortunately, Fark has no interest in promoting the kind of rational conversations we're talking about, because that's not where the hits and the money are. But expand it to the rest of the internet... where do you go for thoughtful Conservative opinion? For a while back in the day Red State had intelligent, rational content, then they went off the rails seemingly overnight. That leaves Balloon Juice as the only thing even remotely approaching reasonable Conservative thought that I know of, and he's pretty centrist as well.
 
2012-07-12 04:19:35 PM  

evilmrsock: whidbey: Is it is "tradition" thing, or an "Anybody But 0bama" thing or "I stand to make a lot more money if Obama is out of office" thing or what, exactly?

So I went home for the fourth of July, and after a bit of nettling, I told my parents that if Obama had been a republican president 20 years ago, instead of Bush 1st, with the exact same legislation and principles, they would have been championing him as the last great president of our lifetimes.

Here was the answer from a man who is retiring from a life of being a surgeon, making a good 300, 400k a year, complaining that teachers make too much and that he has to pay for a couple years of COBRA for my mom until she can join him on medicaid or else he'll get fined, why is COBRA more expensive than the fine, COBRA should only cost $700 a year:

"Son, 30 years ago JACK KENNEDY was a Republican. And your grandmother (the family atheist liberal) LOVED him."

Let that sink in for a bit. My father, an educated, upper class professional who is turning 65, thinks that only 30 years have passed since JFK was president, equates Obama to JFK in his heart, and instead of seeing the comparison to JFK as being proof of how far to the right the Republican party has skewed, he sees it as proof of how misguided the Republican party used to be, full of the libbiest libs who ever RINO'd.

He is voting for Mitt Romney, a man he openly declares SHOULD NOT be president, and will give you numerous reasons he should not be president, because Obama is the greatest danger this nation has EVER faced.

I don't get it, man. I don't get it at all.


Surely it is fairly simple. There is massive evidence that advertising works (not least the huge amount of money spent on it) - and can sell you things you don't need, give you irrational beliefs about how buying product X is going to change you and make your life better, and so on. The same techniques can and have been used in politics and other areas basically since we have learned to communicate, and have been improved upon over time, in the same way other fields have. I am sure you (and I) have plenty of nonsensical beliefs that have been hammered into our subconscious which we will believe until we die, and which future generations will laugh about us because of, just as we laugh at the silly ideas of yesteryear.

Have look at those visual illusions with the three elephants that your brain reinterprets as being different sizes, or the rubiks cube in shadows where your brain edits you perception of colour to suit your preconceptions/experience, or the sloped room illusion where your brain makes even bizarrely stupid interpretations that people have massively changed in height upon moving around a room, just to preserve your assumption the room is "normal". It does the same on all information coming at you, editing, reinterpreting, discarding, and generally changing things to fit your previous worldview even when doing so seems nonsensical.
 
2012-07-12 04:20:50 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Unfortunately, Fark has no interest in promoting the kind of rational conversations we're talking about, because that's not where the hits and the money are.


Well, for AMERICAN politics, the pickings are pretty thin these days. Start with Andrew Sullivan and branch out from there. He links to even conservatives that have gone off the deep end if they have something worthwhile to say.

I also kind of like Little Green Footballs. But both of these are considered libby-lib these days, which is ironic, since I've been reading Sullivan since college 15 years ago and was advocating for gay marriage when the leftist position was basically "fark marriage for everyone." The sad fact is that most of the old conservative opinions worth a nut are also part of the Democrat platform these days.
 
2012-07-12 04:23:40 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: It took me 20 minutes and multiple citations to get my staunchly Republican friend to believe that once your income taxes go over a certain plateau it's ONLY the money over that plateau that is taxed and NOT the entire amount of income. He sat there in a very defeated state for awhile after it sunk in. It took several beers for him to be happy again.

Americans are willfully being lied to by the media and no one is stopping them.


After my mother said that she supports making health insurance companies offer a policy to everyone regardless of their health status, I spent about two hours convincing her not just why the shared responsibility payment was necessary, but why virtually everything else in ObamaCare fell into place as it did. It worked for about 12 hours, and then she went right back to hating Obama for his socialist complete government takeover of health care.
 
2012-07-12 04:25:48 PM  

palladiate: Sad fact is, most of the time we get called libby-libs by the trolls and since most Democrats are pretty centrist, you don't see a whole heck of a lot of vehement disagreement. Also, we don't say stupid crap that gets 1000s of responses.


The sad fact is that you are drowned out by the whining of the fringe right. I think Why Guy has it down, that there is a vacuum of actual facts and coherent points from "the other side of the fence". I'm sorry your party demonizes those who wish to compromise, ostracizing those who would break their lock step picket line. The trolls just feed the fire and get these regressionists believing that someone is listening to their ideas and taking them seriously.

From all of us dirty libs, don't give up. Don't let the tea party drown you out forever, don't double down when the party tells you to. Be a conservative on your own merit, not a "Republican" by their decree. We need more of you.
 
2012-07-12 04:26:44 PM  

Citrate1007: Equal pay for equal work regardless of gender.....why are republicans blocking that labor law?


Because its government telling employers what to do, and the free market will correctly determine pay scale, you know, like it always does in every situation without any government meddling.
 
2012-07-12 04:29:06 PM  

palladiate: The Why Not Guy: Unfortunately, Fark has no interest in promoting the kind of rational conversations we're talking about, because that's not where the hits and the money are.

Well, for AMERICAN politics, the pickings are pretty thin these days. Start with Andrew Sullivan and branch out from there. He links to even conservatives that have gone off the deep end if they have something worthwhile to say.

I also kind of like Little Green Footballs. But both of these are considered libby-lib these days, which is ironic, since I've been reading Sullivan since college 15 years ago and was advocating for gay marriage when the leftist position was basically "fark marriage for everyone." The sad fact is that most of the old conservative opinions worth a nut are also part of the Democrat platform these days.


Here are some conservative writers that I like beyond Andrew Sullivan and the guy that writes LGF (though I admit I don't read his blog often):

Bruce Bartlett
David Frum
Reihan Salam
Jim Manzi
Andrew Bacevich
Fareed Zakaria
 
2012-07-12 04:32:42 PM  

evilmrsock: whidbey: Is it is "tradition" thing, or an "Anybody But 0bama" thing or "I stand to make a lot more money if Obama is out of office" thing or what, exactly?

So I went home for the fourth of July, and after a bit of nettling, I told my parents that if Obama had been a republican president 20 years ago, instead of Bush 1st, with the exact same legislation and principles, they would have been championing him as the last great president of our lifetimes.

Here was the answer from a man who is retiring from a life of being a surgeon, making a good 300, 400k a year, complaining that teachers make too much and that he has to pay for a couple years of COBRA for my mom until she can join him on medicaid or else he'll get fined, why is COBRA more expensive than the fine, COBRA should only cost $700 a year:

"Son, 30 years ago JACK KENNEDY was a Republican. And your grandmother (the family atheist liberal) LOVED him."

Let that sink in for a bit. My father, an educated, upper class professional who is turning 65, thinks that only 30 years have passed since JFK was president, equates Obama to JFK in his heart, and instead of seeing the comparison to JFK as being proof of how far to the right the Republican party has skewed, he sees it as proof of how misguided the Republican party used to be, full of the libbiest libs who ever RINO'd.

He is voting for Mitt Romney, a man he openly declares SHOULD NOT be president, and will give you numerous reasons he should not be president, because Obama is the greatest danger this nation has EVER faced.

I don't get it, man. I don't get it at all.


To be fair, most surgeons are dickholes.
 
2012-07-12 05:01:15 PM  
Banking regulations and capital gains taxes are the real war on women.
 
2012-07-12 05:20:51 PM  
2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.
 
2012-07-12 05:26:53 PM  

Expolaris: We have lost the art of compromise, we need to find it again. I'd like to end a discussion with a rational conservative feeling like i was proven wrong, and shown an idea i could believe in, instead of feeling like my ideas were being dismissed while they go "Well, is that all you got? farking libs."


What, there are no Democrats where you live?

/oh, you meant Republicans
//rational?
///hah!
 
2012-07-12 05:28:14 PM  

Graffito: Citrate1007: Equal pay for equal work regardless of gender.....why are republicans blocking that labor law?

Because its government telling employers what to do, and the free market will correctly determine pay scale, you know, like it always does in every situation without any government meddling.


Well it did actually work back in the day when unions were formed to get miners some rights.......whats that.....FARK YOU WISCONSIN.
 
2012-07-12 05:30:05 PM  

randomjsa: 2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.


What policies did the 110th Congress implement in the first six months of 2007 that caused the world's economy to collapse?
 
2012-07-12 05:44:52 PM  

randomjsa: 2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.


It's always amusing to read what you think other people believe.
 
2012-07-12 05:54:35 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: It took me 20 minutes and multiple citations to get my staunchly Republican friend to believe that once your income taxes go over a certain plateau it's ONLY the money over that plateau that is taxed and NOT the entire amount of income. He sat there in a very defeated state for awhile after it sunk in. It took several beers for him to be happy again.

Americans are willfully being lied to by the media and no one is stopping them.


I offered a conservative friend the option of taking the tax code back to how it was under Reagan or under Clinton. He knee-jerked Reagan, then I had to patiently explain to him taxes where higher under Reagan then Clinton (especially Capital Gains). His finally statement, "Well Reagan cut taxes to spur the economy."

/facepalm
 
2012-07-12 05:59:42 PM  

randomjsa: 2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.


Small correction here. In actuality the minority party controls the Senate, unless the majority has 60 solid votes. Which during this entire time the Democrats NEVER had.
Cloture is a biatch.
 
2012-07-12 06:04:06 PM  

randomjsa: 2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.


The point is not that it's "the Republican's" fault. It's that twenty five years of "conservative" economics have proven the utter failure of the conservative economic program, and the GOP is still endorsing it. Concentrating any more wealth in the pockets of the few is a sure fire recipe to finish plunging the world into another great depression. And people are beginning to realize this - which is why so many Republicans, especially right-wingers, are going to be losing at the polls this fall, and even more so in the future.
 
2012-07-12 06:15:32 PM  

Serious Black: Here are some conservative writers that I like beyond Andrew Sullivan and the guy that writes LGF (though I admit I don't read his blog often):

Bruce Bartlett
David Frum
Reihan Salam
Jim Manzi
Andrew Bacevich
Fareed Zakaria


I am not really sure it is accurate to call Fareed Zakaria conservative.
 
2012-07-12 06:17:12 PM  

Citrate1007: Graffito: Citrate1007: Equal pay for equal work regardless of gender.....why are republicans blocking that labor law?

Because its government telling employers what to do, and the free market will correctly determine pay scale, you know, like it always does in every situation without any government meddling.

Well it did actually work back in the day when unions were formed to get miners some rights.......whats that.....FARK YOU WISCONSIN.


Oh yeah? Well, fark us too, buddy.

/It is sad that we were in the forefront for unionization and we are now the ones killing it.
 
2012-07-12 06:21:12 PM  

Sabyen91: Serious Black: Here are some conservative writers that I like beyond Andrew Sullivan and the guy that writes LGF (though I admit I don't read his blog often):

Bruce Bartlett
David Frum
Reihan Salam
Jim Manzi
Andrew Bacevich
Fareed Zakaria

I am not really sure it is accurate to call Fareed Zakaria conservative.


I'm not sure the designator "conservative" really means much of anything today with how the right has bastardized it into being a synonym for someone who follows the Prosperity Gospel to a T. That said, Zakaria used to be somewhere close to Reagan on the political spectrum but is now a centrist/liberal thanks to the Overton Window ratcheting.
 
2012-07-12 06:52:12 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: If Fark isn't biased, then tell me why all the Liberal links like this one make factual, rational observations, while all the GOP stories are about batshiat-insane bullshiatters with no policy ideas?

Go ahead. Explain that one.


Could it be that "liberals" by U.S. standards are actually center-right on the political spectrum, and the things the ideas that come from that perspective are typically reasonable and identifiable to many people? Conversely, has the GOP has gone batshiat insane and therefore what comes out of their mouths is also batshiat insane?

/or is that what you were hinting at?
//I can't tell anymore
///we've been through the looking glass for some time here.
 
2012-07-12 09:25:46 PM  

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The wingnut's ideal woman:

i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-12 11:58:29 PM  

randomjsa: 2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.


Oh shut the f*ck up you whiny little b*tch. No one is saying the Democrats are blameless. Just that the Republicans are being obstinate little party-first children to such an unprecedented degree that they really do share more of the blame for our situation.
 
2012-07-13 03:08:30 AM  

badLogic: randomjsa: 2007-2009: Democrats control the House and the Senate
2009-2011: Democrats control the House, Senate, and the Presidency
2009-Today: Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency

But nothing is their fault. Nothing! It's all the Republicans fault. The Democrats, and particularly Obama, are magically blameless for all problems while magically managing to be the only people in the entire country who should take credit for anything positive. They are amazingly to blame for nothing and everything all at once.

Small correction here. In actuality the minority party controls the Senate, unless the majority has 60 solid votes. Which during this entire time the Democrats NEVER had.
Cloture is a biatch.


Random has been told that over and over. He still continues to spout the same lies in every single political thread on Fark. He's a willful idiot who refuses to learn. Give it up, man.
 
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