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(Huffington Post)   House GOP efforts to repeal Obamacare, all of which were pure political theater and had zero chance of actually achieving their aim, cost taxpayers $50 million. How's that for smaller government?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 317
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2012-07-12 03:49:19 PM
dchurch0: Thank you for the amusing reply. I hadn't opened the article at the time of my post. I just saw the HuffPo banner and thought I'd throw the question out. I appreciate your help.

Don't bother, the $50 million fake figure is not in the CBS report.

/i like all the people in this thread who think that the Congress bills out on an hourly basis. Morans.
 
2012-07-12 03:49:43 PM
dchurch0: Thank you for the amusing reply. I hadn't opened the article at the time of my post. I just saw the HuffPo banner and thought I'd throw the question out. I appreciate your help.

So you wanted to send that as a link to your firends without reading TFA? Yikes... Considering most Fark headlines tend to stray from the article they link to, you might have ended up with egg on your face.

/Also, sorry for sounding a little douchey in my reply.
 
2012-07-12 03:52:03 PM
Obama presidency, all of which was pure political theater and had zero chance of actually achieving its aims, cost taxpayers $50 bajillion. How's that for hopey changey?
 
2012-07-12 03:52:25 PM
FlashHarry: markie_farkie: Of course the GOP spin will be "That $50 million was in an effort to save the country NINE HUNDRED AND ELEVENTY-SEVEN TRILLION OBAMADOLLAS that will be wasted on keeping poor people from dying a slow, flopping, eyes-open death on curbs everywhere"

trouble is, obamacare actually reduces the deficit.


Voted "Funny."
 
2012-07-12 03:53:38 PM
weeha: No mention of them on Huffinglue or anywhere....

Well if a person wants to know what the votes are, all House votes can be seen on the House web site....
 
2012-07-12 03:54:16 PM
Party before country.

/would like to see the obstructionist tried for treason.
 
2012-07-12 03:54:20 PM
weeha: The DemocRAT controlled Senate is blocking ANY consideration of these bills....

Now THERE is your political theater.

The DemocRATs won't let any of these bills that pass by a huge margin come close to being voted on in the Senate.


That was childish whe the Bushiates did that. It was childish when the Goreians whined about it. Stop that shiat already.
 
2012-07-12 03:55:12 PM
Tommy Moo: Flab: Tommy Moo: They have a right to do it to make whatever point they are trying to make, just like the Dems can (and should!) pass a bunch of bills to end the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy this year, knowing that none of them has a chance of passing the House. Force the GOP to show the country that they care about the 1% more than the 99%.

So you're saying that they should waste their time and your dollar to win political points?

No, I'm saying that they should spend their time and my dollar to convince the American people to elect a majority into both houses so that the tax cuts can actually be ended over $250k.


So you're ok with them campaigning while on the clock?

I can get fired for doing that, why should an elected official get away with it?

By the way, this goes for the non-binding motions recognizing the acievements of Michael Jackson, the journalistist integrity of James O'keefe, or the awesomeness of nutella, too. Congresscritters should be spending their time running the country, not trying to win points with the folks back home.
 
2012-07-12 03:55:43 PM
weeha: Why is there no mention of the vote tally for all this "wasted" time?

Of the 33 votes...
What was the for and against counts?
hmmmmm???
No mention of them on Huffinglue or anywhere....

What was the vote tally?
No one wants to address that do they?
Facts are soooo hard to deal with.

The House Of Representatives is doing their job of representing the American people.

What is the holdup?
Oh...
Of course.
The DemocRAT controlled Senate is blocking ANY consideration of these bills....

Now THERE is your political theater.

The DemocRATs won't let any of these bills that pass by a huge margin come close to being voted on in the Senate.


Isn't he darling? So precocious, and so eloquent!

/Given that he's limited by an extra chromosome.
 
2012-07-12 03:56:14 PM
tommydee: Obama presidency, all of which was pure political theater and had zero chance of actually achieving its aims, cost taxpayers $50 bajillion. How's that for hopey changey?

You sound tired.
 
2012-07-12 03:56:31 PM
jayphat: gilgigamesh: slayer199: TFA is misleading. Congress votes on a number of BS issues, to say that the 2 weeks they've spent voting on the issue cost $48million is rather dubious since that's 2 weeks that Congress would be paid anyway. If it cost an additional $50 million, then they'd have a point.

If most Americans sat around on their jobs engaging in pointless wankery for two weeks, their bosses would not justify it by saying, "oh well, they would be getting paid anyway". They'd fire them.

Can someone get me the dollar amount it cost the US taxpayers for Sheila Jackson Lee to introduce a bill to honor Michael Jackson after his death.

Pretty sure something less than $48 mil.

There's plenty of this crap on both sides of the aisle.


I agree -- that's also crap. However, I wouldn't be REALLY pissed off until she tried to pass it over 30 times.
 
2012-07-12 03:57:03 PM
HellRaisingHoosier: /Independent myself

Really? For some reason my memory of you is as a libtard, or at least someone I often agree with. Could it be that because you're not constantly dribbling stupid sauce from the corners of your mouth that I just assumed you were a liberal? I can explain my jump to conclusion, though... independent-minded voters in the current climate are typically dismissed as "liberals" (i.e., someone not in lockstep), I suppose it was just a matter of time before I started making the same mistake but on the flip side of the coin. "That guy isn't an asshole! He must be one of us!"

/Nixon was a liberal
 
2012-07-12 03:57:26 PM
Flab: the achievements of Michael Jackson, the journalististic integrity

/FTFM.
 
2012-07-12 03:58:07 PM
Um hi, do you remember Bush W spending us into oblivion while reducing our ability to pay for his reckless and illegal policies?

I do.

The GOP doesn't give a damn about spending when they want to kill some brown people or bribe rural America
 
2012-07-12 03:58:34 PM
Flab: dchurch0: Thank you for the amusing reply. I hadn't opened the article at the time of my post. I just saw the HuffPo banner and thought I'd throw the question out. I appreciate your help.

So you wanted to send that as a link to your firends without reading TFA? Yikes... Considering most Fark headlines tend to stray from the article they link to, you might have ended up with egg on your face.

/Also, sorry for sounding a little douchey in my reply.


No worries on your tone. I like the snark on Fark, and don't blame you a bit. It was a dumb question on my part, which you pointed out very eloquently.

I wouldn't have shared the link without reading it first. Now that I have read it, I don't think it's worth the time to bring it up. I just have a particular friend on FB that I like to poke fun at, and thought this might make for an interesting conversation.
 
2012-07-12 03:59:00 PM
FlashHarry: trouble is, obamacare actually reduces the deficit.

And ObamaCare is not a tax. Obama said so.

Seriously, in ten years we are going to look back and say 'Compare to the actual costs of ObamaCare we have realized, that would have been the best $50 million we ever spent if that vote had succeeded in repealing Obamacare."

Here is the truth about Obamacare:

In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor. Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them. And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.
 
2012-07-12 03:59:26 PM
In a way I hope the law stands until it is fully implemented so the people that support it can see just how little they understood about it. For the most part it is a huge expansion of Medicaid, increase to insurance premiums for those already insured, an increase to medical costs and other items that in no way reduce the cost or improve the quality healthcare.
 
2012-07-12 04:00:30 PM
Ok, 'fess up. Who the fark is voting [smart] for skinnyhead's posts?
 
2012-07-12 04:01:28 PM
And they will do it again and again and again. The GOP propaganda machine is running at full speed and it is working. If President Obama wins, it will be by the slimmest of margins.
 
2012-07-12 04:02:23 PM
It's okay, their corporate sponsors will make sure their offshore accounts stay padded for their trouble.

I'm still waiting for one party to actually do something that benefits most of us. As near as I can tell most of what they are doing benefits whomever is holding their leashes.
 
2012-07-12 04:02:34 PM
SlothB77: In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor. Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them. And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.

What, did you steal Obama's magical time machine or something? He's gonna be pissed, dude. PISSED. He was planning on using that to go back in time and become Romney's father this weekend and you've just ruined everything.
 
2012-07-12 04:03:12 PM
Flab: SkinnyHead: Diogenes: SkinnyHead: Just because arrogant Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refuse to allow a vote on the issue doesn't mean that the House of Representatives should stop doing their job.

Fair enough.

When will the House of Representatives start doing their job, though?

Repealing Obamacare is their job. Their job is to represent the people, and the people want to see Obamacare repealed.

I thought people wanted them to fix the economy and create jobs.



I thought they wanted more abortion restrictions and less contraception availablility.
 
2012-07-12 04:03:23 PM
I would like to see the expense report on a 50 million dollar vote. They vote on shiat everyday it can't cost 50 million to do this everyday. Then again democrats are running things.
 
2012-07-12 04:03:42 PM
slayer199: TFA is misleading. Congress votes on a number of BS issues, to say that the 2 weeks they've spent voting on the issue cost $48million is rather dubious since that's 2 weeks that Congress would be paid anyway. If it cost an additional $50 million, then they'd have a point.

So uhh... what else did they work on? Seen any jobs bills like they promised in 2010?
 
2012-07-12 04:04:49 PM
urbangirl: jayphat: gilgigamesh: slayer199: TFA is misleading. Congress votes on a number of BS issues, to say that the 2 weeks they've spent voting on the issue cost $48million is rather dubious since that's 2 weeks that Congress would be paid anyway. If it cost an additional $50 million, then they'd have a point.

If most Americans sat around on their jobs engaging in pointless wankery for two weeks, their bosses would not justify it by saying, "oh well, they would be getting paid anyway". They'd fire them.

Can someone get me the dollar amount it cost the US taxpayers for Sheila Jackson Lee to introduce a bill to honor Michael Jackson after his death.

Pretty sure something less than $48 mil.

There's plenty of this crap on both sides of the aisle.

I agree -- that's also crap. However, I wouldn't be REALLY pissed off until she the entire Party tried to pass it over 30 times.
 
2012-07-12 04:05:08 PM
Probably a bargain compared to them actually trying to accomplish something.
 
2012-07-12 04:05:15 PM
SlothB77: Here is the truth about Obama healthcare:

In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor. Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them. And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.


That's better.
 
2012-07-12 04:05:18 PM
mytdawg: I'm still waiting for one party to actually do something that benefits most of us. As near as I can tell most of what they are doing benefits whomever is holding their leashes.

Yea, what does Obamacare do for most of us? I mean... except for removing benefit caps, barring insurers from dropping you over technicalities when you get sick and extending benefits to college age dependents...

If you'd like more of that maybe you should try writing some letters to some GOP lawmakers and ask them nicely to stop filibustering everything democrats bring to the floor, taking the economy hostage every time a debt ceiling vote comes up and holding ridiculous do-nothing votes over a law that isn't going to change.

/ both sides are bad though
 
2012-07-12 04:05:27 PM
SlothB77: And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.

How are the "Death Panels" working out in Canada and other countries with government-provided health care?
 
2012-07-12 04:06:38 PM
SlothB77: FlashHarry: trouble is, obamacare actually reduces the deficit.

And ObamaCare is not a tax. Obama said so.

Seriously, in ten years we are going to look back and say 'Compare to the actual costs of ObamaCare we have realized, that would have been the best $50 million we ever spent if that vote had succeeded in repealing Obamacare."

Here is the truth about Obamacare:

In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor. Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them. And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.


Dogs and cats living together!
 
2012-07-12 04:06:48 PM
Splinshints: / both sides are bad though

My only real point. They'd sell us out (and have) for the price of a Happy Meal.
 
2012-07-12 04:06:52 PM
So NOW your worried about wasting money subby? Obamacare to cost 1.8 trillion! 5 trillion debt in 3 1/2 year! How much did fast and furrious cost? Or fighting those who are fighting illegal immigration? Or fightinh voter ID act?
farking pathetic subby
 
2012-07-12 04:08:22 PM
A union member, tea partier, and CEO are sitting at a table with 12 donuts. The CEO takes 11 donuts and turns to the tea partier and says "he's trying to take some of your donut!".
 
2012-07-12 04:08:58 PM
Is this like that time they spent $40 million for Ken Lay to find out that Clinton got a bj?
 
2012-07-12 04:12:23 PM
Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: markie_farkie: Of course the GOP spin will be "That $50 million was in an effort to save the country NINE HUNDRED AND ELEVENTY-SEVEN TRILLION OBAMADOLLAS that will be wasted on keeping poor people from dying a slow, flopping, eyes-open death on curbs everywhere"

trouble is, obamacare actually reduces the deficit.

DO you really think it's going to do that? Since when has any government program cost what we were told, ran well and didn't go up in cost each year while becoming bloated and ineffective? It is the nature of all bureaucracies to be the worst way to do anything. It doesn't matter if it's health care or the Ministry of Silly Walks.


But I'm sure the thing that they're going to replace it with (whatever that is) will be the exception, right?
 
2012-07-12 04:12:33 PM
SlothB77: FlashHarry: trouble is, obamacare actually reduces the deficit.

And ObamaCare is not a tax. Obama said so.

Seriously, in ten years we are going to look back and say 'Compare to the actual costs of ObamaCare we have realized, that would have been the best $50 million we ever spent if that vote had succeeded in repealing Obamacare."

Here is the truth about Obamacare:

In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor. Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them. And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.


If someone would have perfected alchemy, it would have been worth the effort.

Difference being that it wasn't known to be absolutely 100% certain that alchemy was impossible when people were trying to do it.
 
2012-07-12 04:12:34 PM
Ok, if the ubercons KNEW that the repeal had 0 chance of passing, why even waste the taxpayers money putting it forward again and again? Oh yes, they have to go against it, even though they have NO plan of their own to put up against it, and no idea on how to fix the deficit beyond shutting down every program that helps people that don't belong to their exclusive golf club.
 
2012-07-12 04:13:06 PM
Splinshints: If you'd like more of that maybe you should try writing some letters to some GOP lawmakers and ask them nicely to stop filibustering everything democrats bring to the floor, taking the economy hostage every time a debt ceiling vote comes up and holding ridiculous do-nothing votes over a law that isn't going to change.

I've written to everyone that would listen since about... Iraq. I saw that trap coming. Ackbar got nothing on me. Democrats usually respond with something like "That's nice" (actually I got one that responds to points) and Republicans with "Fark Off". At least they're up front about not giving a damn.
 
2012-07-12 04:15:54 PM
gibbon1: One of my metrics for social value is to translate things into the cost of braces.

So $50 million is braces for around 15,000 children. I think that gives you the appropriate level of shame.


This is farking perfect.
 
2012-07-12 04:16:00 PM
Splinshints: machoprogrammer: This. What does it cost, other than salaries?

Right. Because salaries, apparently, don't cost anything even if they cost $50 million.

Would you say something so stupid to the owner of a business complaining that the non-productivity of his workers was costing him money? If he had to pay millions in salaries to people who weren't doing anything, would you chide him for being so silly as complaining it was costing him anything? Would you say his concerns were unfounded?

Not that I expect anybody stupid enough to say "Obamaniac" to understand something even this simple...


I realize that, but is it any so different than the other stupid crap they do while in session? Why be outraged over this but not the other stupid, mundane crap they do? I would rather have them debate this than work on anti-cyber bullying, PIPA/SOPA crap or whatever else the flavor of the week is.

If it wasn't trying to stop (and likely failing at doing so) Obamacare, would they be saving the world? Would they be ending the wars going on? Or would they be just starting a bill that says life begins at conception?
 
2012-07-12 04:16:37 PM
DempseySR26: I would like to see the expense report on a 50 million dollar vote. They vote on shiat everyday it can't cost 50 million to do this everyday. Then again democrats are running things.

One might wonder, though - if the GOP really is so fiscally responsible (or fiscally concerned, really), why would they hold a vote on legislation they know won't go anywhere?

OK, so if it's that important to hold a symbolic vote to get Representatives on the record with their positions on Obamacare, why would they hold more than 3 votes? Is that not enough to determine position? How many degrees of freedom are needed in Congress?

OK, so if it's that important to hold a few symbolic votes on a bill you know won't go anywhere, why do it 30 more times? Just to make sure the Senate also has to take time to say "Fark you, fark you, fark you..." 35 times?

So even if it is that important to hold ~35 symbolic votes against Obamacare that you know aren't going anywhere just so that the Senate gets to be the bad guy, you'll need to justify the expense. Otherwise, it's not very fiscally responsible of you, it's just grandstanding.

So which is it, GOP? Did you spend ~$50,000,000 on grandstanding, or on the necessary but useless business of "getting Reps on the record" with their positions on Obamacare (which is pants-on-head, seeing as how those Reps already voted on PPACA. Sort of how this mess got started, you see)?

// I know that there are many freshmen since PPACA passed
// most of them are teabaggers
// making this stunt even more useless
 
2012-07-12 04:19:03 PM
Wangiss: gibbon1: One of my metrics for social value is to translate things into the cost of braces.

So $50 million is braces for around 15,000 children. I think that gives you the appropriate level of shame.

This is farking perfect.


So $50 million is also unicorn ponies for around 15,000,000 children. I think that gives you the real appropriate level of shame.

/imaginary numbers are fun!
 
2012-07-12 04:19:46 PM
SlothB77: In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor.
but when do we get flying cars?

Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them.
good. don't you want to save businesses the billions of dollars it already costs to provide health insurance?

And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.
we already have death panels, they are called "Insurance Companies". or have you never been told you can't have a treatment because your plan doesn't cover it?
 
2012-07-12 04:20:22 PM
Splinshints: machoprogrammer: This. What does it cost, other than salaries?

Right. Because salaries, apparently, don't cost anything even if they cost $50 million.

Would you say something so stupid to the owner of a business complaining that the non-productivity of his workers was costing him money? If he had to pay millions in salaries to people who weren't doing anything, would you chide him for being so silly as complaining it was costing him anything? Would you say his concerns were unfounded?

Not that I expect anybody stupid enough to say "Obamaniac" to understand something even this simple...


So fire congress.
 
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2012-07-12 04:25:12 PM
Flab: SkinnyHead: Diogenes: SkinnyHead: Just because arrogant Harry Reid and Senate Democrats refuse to allow a vote on the issue doesn't mean that the House of Representatives should stop doing their job.

Fair enough.

When will the House of Representatives start doing their job, though?

Repealing Obamacare is their job. Their job is to represent the people, and the people want to see Obamacare repealed.

I thought people wanted them to fix the economy and create jobs.


Don't be silly. The American People Want (what is it the GOP says they're for this week? That's what the American People Want... the GOP just told you that! Duh.) what is in their best interests. And by 'their' I mean 'GOP'.

Facts are pointless, the GOP feels it in their heart that it's so, and God wouldn't send them this message unless it was the truth.

Ultra Derpicus is just the messenger.
 
2012-07-12 04:25:42 PM
WhyteRaven74: weeha: No mention of them on Huffinglue or anywhere....

Well if a person wants to know what the votes are, all House votes can be seen on the House web site....


I know. I read the budget every time it comes out, too. I don't need no fourth estate.
 
2012-07-12 04:27:56 PM
SlothB77: FlashHarry: trouble is, obamacare actually reduces the deficit.

And ObamaCare is not a tax. Obama said so.

Seriously, in ten years we are going to look back and say 'Compare to the actual costs of ObamaCare we have realized, that would have been the best $50 million we ever spent if that vote had succeeded in repealing Obamacare."

Here is the truth about Obamacare:

In the very near future: You won't be able to keep your plan. You won't be able to keep your doctor. Employers are going to dump health care plans as a benefit that is part of your job as they become too expensive for them. And there will be death panels comprised of government bureaucrats.


Would you happen have any sort of proof of your claims?

I mean this is nation wide front page grade A material.

Surely you must something to corroborate it with.

Share with the class, for we are but students, and you the teacher!
 
2012-07-12 04:28:27 PM
Coming from the party that wasted money covering up a half-naked statue of Lady Justice, I'd say it's about par.
 
2012-07-12 04:29:04 PM
Flab: Ok, 'fess up. Who the fark is voting [smart] for skinnyhead's posts?

You check that shiat?
 
2012-07-12 04:30:36 PM
mytdawg: It's okay, their corporate sponsors will make sure their offshore accounts stay padded for their trouble.

I'm still waiting for one party to actually do something that benefits most of us. As near as I can tell most of what they are doing benefits whomever is holding their leashes.


Last time that happened, it was because of persistent arm-twisting for literally 99 years.
 
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