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2012-07-12 10:52:28 AM

Generation_D: SMU was shut down because players got paid. Miami was heavily penalized because players got paid.

Penn States defenders are pushing to have Penn State exonerated while 10 year old boys were raped on campus, while the head coach, athletic director and college president all knew and had email threads discussing the incidents, and all agreed to hush things up and lie about it going forward.


But the boys getting raped weren't getting paid to be raped, so it doesn't apply.
 
2012-07-12 10:52:50 AM

FlashHarry: mikaloyd: LSU

"then?"

*facepalm*

jesus christ, this nation is so farked.


i read it as he's going to support alabama after showering at penn state.
 
2012-07-12 10:53:26 AM

Millennium: Oh, wait; you mean the NCAA "death penalty": banning the college from football for some period of time.


But the problem is, NCAA sanctions are for illegally gaining competitive advantage. I doubt that covering up kiddy diddling did anything to improve Penn State's competitive advantage.
 
2012-07-12 10:54:09 AM

IlGreven:
As unlikely as the President and Vice President of Penn State University and the Board of Trustees being involved in the Sandusky cover-up?

I mean, Harvard Corp would probably like to make sure the good name of Harvard Law was not tarnished by such accusations, right?


I think given the choice of losing Harvard Law vs. losing all the schools (Divinity, Medical, FAS, etc.), they'd cut Harvard Law loose in a heartbeat.

Harvard hasn't been around for 375+ years by being stupid, though the endowment screwup in 2008/2009 was pretty bad.
 
2012-07-12 10:54:10 AM

Famous Thamas: Even McQueary, who is being heralded as some kind of whistleblower, should have gone to some other authority when he saw nothing being done.


I am able to accept Mr. McQueary's actions only because, through similar personal experience (though not one involving victimization of a child), I can understand that viewing what he claims to have viewed may have been, at the time, so shocking that he later may not have actually been certain that he had not entirely hallucinated the event and he may have been unwilling to potentially ruin a career and reputation based upon an event that he could not be certain actually occurred.
 
2012-07-12 10:54:28 AM

IlGreven: chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.

...which is precisely why they're fixating: He's dead. He can't defend himself. And everyone that tries is labeled an enabler. No one cares about the actual victims in the case enough to stick around for the trials; they've got their witch.


No, it's because we've been told that Paterno was not involved in any way, even though Sandusky was a coach and Paterno was JoePa the Great. We were told that firing Paterno was a grave injustice. Hell, we've even had people claim that JoePa couldn't comprehend what "child rape" was, since he was so saintly. Therefore, he didn't cover it up - he just didn't understand.

Now we know that he was directly involved in the decision not to report the shower incident to authorities. And we want everyone who was involved in this coverup to be held accountable. Death doesn't absolve anyone of the wrongs he did (or the wrongs he allowed to be done).
 
2012-07-12 10:54:32 AM

IlGreven: NCAA sanctions are for illegally gaining competitive advantage.


I know those tats definitely made Pryor a better QB.
 
2012-07-12 10:54:42 AM
Well, that pretty much secures that Paterno is guilty for harboring this asshole. The school owes him a lot for putting them on the map, but that this point it's time to tear down the statues, remove the names, etc. It's basically post-war Germany at this point: "Nazis? What are those? They never existed. You don't see any swastikas do you?"

I hope the NCAA lets the law handle this, as the people at the school now weren't associated with the mess and there is no reason to punish the kids there now for the acts of people gone, but I expect they will do something ridiculous, something far worse than USC got.
 
2012-07-12 10:55:05 AM

Julieahni: So, how is Penn State ever going to attract any students? Who'd want to go there?


You could say the same about Virginia Tech, yet they are still going strong despite several more incidence of violence by students on campus.
 
2012-07-12 10:55:07 AM

SaltyDonnie: Good question. Simple answer is he was" one of them", a "Penn Stater". Harder answer - he had something on them.


Or you could try going with the right answer: they let their concern for the school's image severely cloud their moral judgment and tried to downplay the allegations or even manged to convince themselves that they didn't have reason to believe something fishy was going on.

It's a huge school with a major football program. It sounds like everyone from Paterno to Spanier decided that the school's public image was more important than doing the obviously right thing.
 
2012-07-12 10:55:14 AM
GAT

This is the most wrong you've ever been about anything in your entire life. It is "earth is the center of the universe" level wrong.

What makes you think that you are right and the FBI is wrong?
 
2012-07-12 10:56:35 AM

IlGreven: cosmiquemuffin: GAT_00: Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.

Fascinating. White Knighting a confirmed child rape enabler? I'm curious as to what happened in your life to make you such a moral cripple.

Stop engaging in believer-speak and actually debate.


Not sure if serious or trolling, you and GAT. Ahhh, fark it, I'll bite, because I'm dying to know what there could possibly be to debate about.
 
2012-07-12 10:56:41 AM
I really don't see how the program shouldn't get the death penalty.
 
2012-07-12 10:56:54 AM
JoePa-nocchio
 
2012-07-12 10:56:58 AM

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.


The number of broken arms from the rush to judgement crowd patting themselves on the back is staggering.
 
2012-07-12 10:57:48 AM

mainstreet62: Why did PSU protect Sandusky? What did he have that they needed/wanted?


My guess is that he had intimate knowledge of their recruiting practices, and it was better to keep him in the tent as opposed to out of the tent.
 
2012-07-12 10:58:19 AM

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think know it's the responsibility of law that people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours who teach at federally funded institutions of learning MUST report any accusation of child abuse to the police.


FTFY

/The Clery Act. It's not just a good idea...
//Apparently I'm a reactionary douchebag.
 
2012-07-12 10:58:26 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Killer Cars: Yes, that's exactly it. Living on the west coast now, and I can't tell you just how many Pac-10 fans have been just JEALOUS of Penn State for all these years.

Your sarcasm might have some force behind it but not for the fact that these threads are almost exclusively overwhelmed by people directly attacking the school, Paterno, and the football program.

Funny how it's so rarely "Sandusky's fault" or even "the leadership's fault" but how often it's because Joe Paterno is scum who protected a child molester and anybody who didn't immediately and violently condemn the entire school before the trial even occurred was just "one of them" and wanted ot "protect kiddy diddlers".

None of these people care about what really happened, they hate Penn State and they're standing on the backs of child victims to scream their hate to the world. And they've been doing it since the allegations first became public.


Paterno was part of the leadership and no one is saying Sandusky isn't a creep or excusing what he did. But keep making this nonsense argument and don't forget to make your donation.
 
2012-07-12 10:58:42 AM

rufus-t-firefly: IlGreven: chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.

...which is precisely why they're fixating: He's dead. He can't defend himself. And everyone that tries is labeled an enabler. No one cares about the actual victims in the case enough to stick around for the trials; they've got their witch.

No, it's because we've been told that Paterno was not involved in any way, even though Sandusky was a coach and Paterno was JoePa the Great. We were told that firing Paterno was a grave injustice. Hell, we've even had people claim that JoePa couldn't comprehend what "child rape" was, since he was so saintly. Therefore, he didn't cover it up - he just didn't understand.

Now we know that he was directly involved in the decision not to report the shower incident to authorities. And we want everyone who was involved in this coverup to be held accountable. Death doesn't absolve anyone of the wrongs he did (or the wrongs he allowed to be done).


Oh, wait - Paterno said he didn't understand the concept himself:

Link

Mr McQueary told authorities he saw Sandusky sodomizing a young boy in a shower in 2002. He reported what he witnessed to Mr Paterno the next day, who did not call police. Instead, he sent Mr McQueary to university officials.

The elderly coach, who grew up in Flatbush in Brooklyn, New York, said didn't fully understand what Mr McQueary had allegedly seen. He believed it was fondling or inappropriate touching.

'You know, he didn't want to get specific,' Mr Paterno told the Post.

'And to be frank with you I don't know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. So I just did what I thought was best. I talked to people that I thought would be, if there was a problem, that would be following up on it.'

Mr Paterno has been criticized for not reporting the incident directly to police. But the coach says he was at a loss for how to handle what he had just been told.


Of course, he didn't say that he discussed how to proceed with administrators, and dissuaded them from contacting child welfare authorities.
 
2012-07-12 10:59:07 AM

SaltyDonnie: mainstreet62: Why did PSU protect Sandusky? What did he have that they needed/wanted?

Good question. Simple answer is he was" one of them", a "Penn Stater". Harder answer - he had something on them.


See my Boobies above. Everyone was making money.
 
2012-07-12 10:59:13 AM
How come I can go on other websites and see reasonable and rational discussions about this case and fark is always full of farkwads and idiots? why is that.
 
2012-07-12 10:59:20 AM

namegoeshere: When it comes to the rape of children, "the very least" is not enough! STOPPING the person from raping children anywhere, at any time, and seeing that existing victims receive care are MANDATORY.

Why is this even up for debate?



I don't think it is, at least not here. There is a lot of justified anger, and a little disagreement on what the punishments should be. Generally we're venting at the WTF-ness of it all. I'm trying not to add to the chorus of "we oughta do thusandsuch to 'em", because I think it's being covered pretty well.
 
2012-07-12 10:59:24 AM

Dimensio: Famous Thamas: Even McQueary, who is being heralded as some kind of whistleblower, should have gone to some other authority when he saw nothing being done.

I am able to accept Mr. McQueary's actions only because, through similar personal experience (though not one involving victimization of a child), I can understand that viewing what he claims to have viewed may have been, at the time, so shocking that he later may not have actually been certain that he had not entirely hallucinated the event and he may have been unwilling to potentially ruin a career and reputation based upon an event that he could not be certain actually occurred.


Not sure if serious.

I think it's obvious at this point McQueary kept his mouth shut to get a farking JOB. Why no one has asked him about this, I don't know.
 
2012-07-12 10:59:45 AM

Orgasmatron138: SaltyDonnie: mainstreet62: Why did PSU protect Sandusky? What did he have that they needed/wanted?

Good question. Simple answer is he was" one of them", a "Penn Stater". Harder answer - he had something on them.

See my Boobies above. Everyone was making money.


Stupid filter.
 
2012-07-12 11:00:00 AM

Great_Milenko: mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

The number of broken arms from the rush to judgement crowd patting themselves on the back is staggering.


Why are you focusing on the "rush-to-judgment" crowd? (After all, they were absolutely right!) Let's spend our time shouting from the rooftops that it's not okay to facilitate child rape.

Defend the children, not those who facilitate the rape of children.
 
2012-07-12 11:00:01 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Killer Cars: Yes, that's exactly it. Living on the west coast now, and I can't tell you just how many Pac-10 fans have been just JEALOUS of Penn State for all these years.

Your sarcasm might have some force behind it but not for the fact that these threads are almost exclusively overwhelmed by people directly attacking the school, Paterno, and the football program.

Funny how it's so rarely "Sandusky's fault" or even "the leadership's fault" but how often it's because Joe Paterno is scum who protected a child molester and anybody who didn't immediately and violently condemn the entire school before the trial even occurred was just "one of them" and wanted ot "protect kiddy diddlers".

None of these people care about what really happened, they hate Penn State and they're standing on the backs of child victims to scream their hate to the world. And they've been doing it since the allegations first became public.


I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, but I can honestly say, until the Costas interview, I had never heard of Joe Pa or Sandusky. I don't follow football. At all. The only reason the Costas interview hit my radar is because my daughter is a patient at the Bob Costas center at Cardinal Glennon. Costas hosts charity events here, and he's a real class act. So, when I saw his name in the news, I looked it up and watched the interview.

Why am I mad? Because this was a case where a group of men thought the reputation of their sports program was more important than the welfare of children.

And that's reprehensible.
Period.
 
2012-07-12 11:00:06 AM
Shocking. No, wait, scratch that. It's not shocking at all.

If I ever hear of an entity NOT covering up abuse of any kind on the part of its higher-ups, THAT would be shocking. If a company or religion or government agency or organization moved immediately to punish somebody abusing their power/position at someone else's expense, that would be farking front-page news, it happens so seldom.
 
2012-07-12 11:00:49 AM

rufus-t-firefly: IlGreven: chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.

...which is precisely why they're fixating: He's dead. He can't defend himself. And everyone that tries is labeled an enabler. No one cares about the actual victims in the case enough to stick around for the trials; they've got their witch.

No, it's because we've been told that Paterno was not involved in any way, even though Sandusky was a coach and Paterno was JoePa the Great. We were told that firing Paterno was a grave injustice. Hell, we've even had people claim that JoePa couldn't comprehend what "child rape" was, since he was so saintly. Therefore, he didn't cover it up - he just didn't understand.

Now we know that he was directly involved in the decision not to report the shower incident to authorities. And we want everyone who was involved in this coverup to be held accountable. Death doesn't absolve anyone of the wrongs he did (or the wrongs he allowed to be done).


Then maybe you all should argue it that way, instead of calling anyone who deigns to question why we should believe JoePa is rotting in hell, and that maybe we should pull his corpse out of the ground and have us a second Cadaver Synod, is a full-on pedo-lovin' student/employee/faculty member of Penn State.

There's rational, "Hey, JoePa was probably in on this." And then there's irrational, "Joe Pa never did anything good in his entire miserable life, and anyone who says otherwise should be dragged onto "To Catch a Predator" and be humiliated by Chris Hansen."

I've seen far more of the latter than the former.
 
2012-07-12 11:01:43 AM

Brother_Mouzone: How come I can go on other websites and see reasonable and rational discussions about this case and fark is always full of farkwads and idiots? why is that.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-12 11:01:57 AM

december: mister aj: Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours,

Paterno is the reason law enforcement did not get involved.


This.

I mean, Pol Pot is dead. Why does everyone rip him when they write about him?
 
2012-07-12 11:02:16 AM

Orgasmatron138: Orgasmatron138: SaltyDonnie: mainstreet62: Why did PSU protect Sandusky? What did he have that they needed/wanted?

Good question. Simple answer is he was" one of them", a "Penn Stater". Harder answer - he had something on them.

See my Boobies above. Everyone was making money.

Stupid filter.


I enjoyed it. Because sometimes, I'm 12.
 
2012-07-12 11:02:23 AM
A "critical written correspondence'' uncovered earlier this year, investigators said, contained evidence of a proposed plan to report to law enforcement authorities a 2001 incident involving Sandusky and a young boy in a university shower room that was witnessed by football assistant coach Michael McQueary.

"After Mr. Curley consulted with Mr. Paterno, however, they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities,'' the report said.


and there's your smoking gun, you JoePa lovers.
 
2012-07-12 11:02:26 AM

Geonags: MattyFridays: The Muthaship: Death Penalty.

Again. The Death Penalty only penalizes people who had no idea this was going on. All of the enablers, the people who didn't report, and the people who used this to get a job (McQueary) are now gone from the program. They can't fire Spanier from his tenured position unless he's criminally charged.

Some people on twitter are actually implying the DOE would decimate the school by preventing federal student aid going to PSU. REALLY?

Here is my stance:

1) I went to West Virginia, so hating PSU is my birthright, pretty much. It's the one thing Pitt and WVU fans can agree on.

2) The people who are involved in this case are being punished. People are focusing too much on Paterno when he's DEAD when people should be focusing on people who should be punished more like McQueary, Spanier, etc.

3) Wanting more punishment for PSU is part of the Internet Rage MAchine that always gets generated. "WAAAAH, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I want MORE punishment! SCORCH THE EARTH!"

4) The victims will be compensated by PSU now that the Freeh report is out.

So, to reiterate:

a) Sandusky is going to die in jail.
b) Paterno is dead and his legacy is gone
c) McQueary has been fired (and should be investigated more, because NO ONE has asked the question to him why he didn't go to the cops.)
d) Curley and Schultz still have to be tried and will probably go to jail for a while
e) Spanier will probably get indicted for something
f) The victims will get money, and lots of it.
g) The entire PSU coaching staff under Paterno's reign is getting weeded out with new coaches

So I ask you this: What MORE do you want to happen? Outside of getting rid of the board of trustees, what more do you want? ANYTHING else you do affects people that has NOTHING do with this situation!

The death penalty ensures that this will never happen again there. Happy valley is centered around protecting itself, you have to nuke it from orbit...its the only wa ...


Yep. As much as I agree that it will affect people that didn't have a role in this, and that it seems unfair, the University and the culture there needs a serious de-programming, a really cold water splash of reality - that football is NOT the "most important thing ever-ist", and that Penn State is not divorced from the rest of reality. And nothing does that better than going cold-turkey - "this place worships football so much? Enough to put kids at risk? Time to make that "god" bleed" and take it away for a while. Get back to education as job No. 1, which is what college is supposed to be about.

It will also serve as a message to other universities that may or are pulling similar crap.

And kill all state and federal aid to the school - no tax money goes to pay lawsuit judgments and settlements or criminal defenses. If the alumni and students love the school so much, they can pay it with donations and tuition. Put their money where their mouths are.
 
2012-07-12 11:02:52 AM

SaltyDonnie: mainstreet62: Why did PSU protect Sandusky? What did he have that they needed/wanted?

Good question. Simple answer is he was" one of them", a "Penn Stater". Harder answer - he had something on them.


It's probably the simple answer. Based on the report, the insular culture that developed in the football program probably blinded a lot of the people there to doing the right thing or caused them to fear reprisals for doing the right thing.

Anyway, I hope one of the results of this report is that other schools with NCAA sports programs take a good long look at the power of their athletics departments.
 
2012-07-12 11:03:22 AM

Marine1: I really don't see how the program shouldn't get the death penalty.


NCAA Violations

Level I: Most egregious

A violation that seriously undermines or threatens the integrity of any of the NCAA enduring values.


Sounds like it might fit.
 
2012-07-12 11:03:28 AM

IlGreven: But the problem is, NCAA sanctions are for illegally gaining competitive advantage. I doubt that covering up kiddy diddling did anything to improve Penn State's competitive advantage.


Sandusky promised a kid a walk on spot on the PSU squad if the kid quir squawking about surprise PSU sex. That allows the NCAA in to the mess if they want in. It isnt as if PSU will do the right thing and tear the football program to the ground add some non-PSU based oversite and rebuild unless and until they are forced. Hell I bet the rape showers are still standing and polished up all pretty.
 
2012-07-12 11:03:42 AM

cosmiquemuffin: IlGreven: cosmiquemuffin: GAT_00: Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.

Fascinating. White Knighting a confirmed child rape enabler? I'm curious as to what happened in your life to make you such a moral cripple.

Stop engaging in believer-speak and actually debate.

Not sure if serious or trolling, you and GAT. Ahhh, fark it, I'll bite, because I'm dying to know what there could possibly be to debate about.


The first thing you typed at him was an ad hominem. Why should someone take you seriously? Doesn't matter if Paterno was the devil himself, calling other people devil worshippers for merely suggesting we might be criticizing him too harshly for what he did is not a serious argument.
 
2012-07-12 11:03:47 AM

MattyFridays: The Muthaship: Death Penalty.

Again. The Death Penalty only penalizes people who had no idea this was going on. All of the enablers, the people who didn't report, and the people who used this to get a job (McQueary) are now gone from the program. They can't fire Spanier from his tenured position unless he's criminally charged.

Some people on twitter are actually implying the DOE would decimate the school by preventing federal student aid going to PSU. REALLY?

Here is my stance:

1) I went to West Virginia, so hating PSU is my birthright, pretty much. It's the one thing Pitt and WVU fans can agree on.

2) The people who are involved in this case are being punished. People are focusing too much on Paterno when he's DEAD when people should be focusing on people who should be punished more like McQueary, Spanier, etc.

3) Wanting more punishment for PSU is part of the Internet Rage MAchine that always gets generated. "WAAAAH, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I want MORE punishment! SCORCH THE EARTH!"

4) The victims will be compensated by PSU now that the Freeh report is out.

So, to reiterate:

a) Sandusky is going to die in jail.
b) Paterno is dead and his legacy is gone
c) McQueary has been fired (and should be investigated more, because NO ONE has asked the question to him why he didn't go to the cops.)
d) Curley and Schultz still have to be tried and will probably go to jail for a while
e) Spanier will probably get indicted for something
f) The victims will get money, and lots of it.
g) The entire PSU coaching staff under Paterno's reign is getting weeded out with new coaches

So I ask you this: What MORE do you want to happen? Outside of getting rid of the board of trustees, what more do you want? ANYTHING else you do affects people that has NOTHING do with this situation!


This situation became the shiatstorm it turned into to protect Penn State football. If it wasn't deliberately and actively covered up by Penn State officials in order to save Penn State football, it would have ended in Sandusky's arrest long ago. It would have been a shock, and then it would have been a footnote in Penn State's history. Joe Pa would have retired, and died, a hero. The rest of the schmucks would still have jobs.

But it was covered up. For football. To save football.

And that's why more is needed. Because there will be a next time. Hopefully not as severe as Sandusky, but there will be something.

And everyone involved with college athletics need to know with no doubt or question that covering up illegal activity to protect a school's athletic program will instead destroy that program.
 
2012-07-12 11:04:09 AM

Tigger: GAT

This is the most wrong you've ever been about anything in your entire life. It is "earth is the center of the universe" level wrong.

What makes you think that you are right and the FBI is wrong?


The FBI didn't do the report. Louis Freeh, formerly of the FBI, did the report. He resigned from the Bureau back in 2001 due to mounting pressure to have him removed.
 
2012-07-12 11:04:10 AM

cosmiquemuffin: IlGreven: cosmiquemuffin: GAT_00: Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.

Fascinating. White Knighting a confirmed child rape enabler? I'm curious as to what happened in your life to make you such a moral cripple.

Stop engaging in believer-speak and actually debate.

Not sure if serious or trolling, you and GAT. Ahhh, fark it, I'll bite, because I'm dying to know what there could possibly be to debate about.


Let me put it this way: would you believe anything except a report saying exactly this?

I already know the answer, you can feel free to dodge it and not answer if you want.
 
2012-07-12 11:04:20 AM

NutznGum: Paterno was part of the leadership and no one is saying Sandusky isn't a creep or excusing what he did. But keep making this nonsense argument and don't forget to make your donation.


Even in your lame-ass "defense" of yourself you can't help but make Paterno the focus. Thanks for proving my point. You don't give a shiat about what happened, you want to shiat on Penn State's football program.

like it was all about defending football when the leadership chose not to act against Sandusky, it's all about football in the condemnation.

Opportunistic scumbags. Scumbags from the Penn State leadership all the way to the posters full of mock outrage in this thread. And the best you can muster as a defense is a lame "derrrrp you must be from deeerrp Penn State deerrrrp".
 
2012-07-12 11:04:48 AM

IlGreven: chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.

...which is precisely why they're fixating: He's dead. He can't defend himself. And everyone that tries is labeled an enabler. No one cares about the actual victims in the case enough to stick around for the trials; they've got their witch.


He had plenty of time to run his mouth and sat whatever the truth was before his death. What, for fear of being sued or jailed? he was dying, no better time to come clean of any knowledge. He could have pointed fingers at Penn State brass or laid out a solid alibi for himself. He did neither. Because he couldn't.
 
2012-07-12 11:05:10 AM
To be completely honest, I don't care if the NCAA does anything at all to Penn State football. That isn't what this is about in the slightest.

Maybe it's because of all the sports I follow, my actual rooting interest in college football is pretty minimal (it comes with being a Maryland alum). Point being, I'm certainly not "out to get" Penn State over this, because I really don't care.

Fact is, Joe Paterno has been deified by damn near everyone for decades. He's surely not the ONLY one who was a part of this cover-up, but he is the biggest name involved for those of us who are sports fans. If you're upset that people are focusing on him today, the blame lies with those who put him up on that pedestal in the first place.
 
2012-07-12 11:05:10 AM

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.


That is farking retarded and you know it. That has to be a troll.
 
2012-07-12 11:05:16 AM

mikaloyd: IlGreven: But the problem is, NCAA sanctions are for illegally gaining competitive advantage. I doubt that covering up kiddy diddling did anything to improve Penn State's competitive advantage.

Sandusky promised a kid a walk on spot on the PSU squad if the kid quir squawking about surprise PSU sex. That allows the NCAA in to the mess if they want in.


...really? Do we actually have proof of this?
 
2012-07-12 11:05:18 AM
The best direct quote from the report, for the people in prior threads who kept saying that Paterno is/was a figurehead with no real power:

"Several people told the Special Investigative Counsel that Curley is a State College native with a long family history at Penn State, including his father and brothers who worked at Penn State. A senior Penn State official referred to Curley as Paterno's "errand boy." Athletic Department staff said Paterno's words carried a lot of weight with Curley, who would run big decisions by Paterno."
 
2012-07-12 11:05:48 AM

The Muthaship: Sounds like it might fit.


ESPN will never let it happen.
 
2012-07-12 11:06:25 AM
From Freeh's report: Further, they exposed this child to additional harm by alerting Sandusky, who was the only one who knew the child's identity, of what McQueary saw in the shower on the night of February 9, 2001.

What the fark is this shiat? They "alerted" him? They gave him a farking heads-up? Dude....
 
2012-07-12 11:06:58 AM

IlGreven: Millennium: Oh, wait; you mean the NCAA "death penalty": banning the college from football for some period of time.

But the problem is, NCAA sanctions are for illegally gaining competitive advantage. I doubt that covering up kiddy diddling did anything to improve Penn State's competitive advantage.


It kept Sandusky -a coach known for being quite good at what he did- around, a move which no doubt attracted at least some players. I doubt the incentive was as strong as paying the players, but the fact remains that they aided and abeted someone they knew to be guilty of crimes that our nation considers among the most vile, all to protect the reputation required of a football school.

I'd call that illegally gaining a competitive advantage.
 
2012-07-12 11:07:16 AM

hurdboy: ESPN will never let it happen.


Between ESPN and PSU, I'm not sure which I have less respect for. But, sadly you're right.
 
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