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2012-07-12 10:29:50 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: december: if you still support or contribute to Penn State then you are defending child rapists and their accomplices. It's really that simple.

I'll bet a lot of things seem really simple to you...


Tell me which variable I am overlooking in this story.
 
2012-07-12 10:30:15 AM

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours.


Direct eyewitness accounts = unsubstantiated rumors. Ooooookkaaaay then...
 
2012-07-12 10:30:18 AM

MattyFridays: The Death Penalty only penalizes people who had no idea this was going on.


Wrong. It penalizes lots of people that knew what was going on. It penalizes an institution that did a horrible ongoing wrong to children. If you are worried about the kids whose scholarships would disappear, don't. They could force PSU to honor those, plus allow those that want to transfer elsewhere to do so without penalty.

This was a systemic failure, the whole system needs to pay the price.
 
2012-07-12 10:30:18 AM

TV's Vinnie: These scum didn't care about little kids getting raped so long as it didn't interfere with their billions of dollars in college football revenue.

The entire spectrum of the college football racket, from incidents like this to the EA Sports screw job, deserves a Senate investigation.


b-b-b-but Paterno said it had nothing to DO with football!

/YOU made it about football, JoePa, the moment you chose to "protect" the program rather than turn him in. If you had called the police, your letter would have been right. Burn in hell.
 
2012-07-12 10:30:20 AM

mister aj: Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.


No it wasnt just rumors. It was Sandusky forcing his dick into pre teens mouths and asses. For over a decade. And a systematic coverup by all levels of Penn State to make sure it wasnt found out.


Did your definition of "rumor" come from a Penn State dictionary?
 
2012-07-12 10:30:28 AM
This just in:

The rich and powerful can pretty much do as they please with impunity. Most of the time despite public knowledge. This case was the exception for being prosecuted, not the norm.
 
ecl
2012-07-12 10:30:39 AM
So is Penn State gonna just dissolve and the degrees from there are worthless or what?
 
2012-07-12 10:30:42 AM

chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno.


Did you RTFA?

chakas: He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.


See my comment at the top of the thread. Never before have I ever hoped as for eternal damnation.

chakas: As I type this there are 0 mentions of Spanier, Curley and Schultz in this thread.


More evidence you didn't RTFA. They were planning on going to authorities outside the university, and Paterno had it killed.

chakas: Three people that should be firmly in spotlight and can be punished for what they did. Making this about a dead man only minimizes the spotlight on these people and in my opinion is counterproductive.


And they will certainly face civil litigation from the victims. I'm sure the Commonwealth is figuring out what they can do, criminally, since the Sandusky trial, itself, is finally finished.

Civil remedies against Paterno's estate? Yeah, there's a reason he moved everything to his wife's name before he died.
 
2012-07-12 10:31:30 AM

MattyFridays: The Muthaship: Death Penalty.

Again. The Death Penalty only penalizes people who had no idea this was going on. All of the enablers, the people who didn't report, and the people who used this to get a job (McQueary) are now gone from the program. They can't fire Spanier from his tenured position unless he's criminally charged.

Some people on twitter are actually implying the DOE would decimate the school by preventing federal student aid going to PSU. REALLY?

Here is my stance:

1) I went to West Virginia, so hating PSU is my birthright, pretty much. It's the one thing Pitt and WVU fans can agree on.

2) The people who are involved in this case are being punished. People are focusing too much on Paterno when he's DEAD when people should be focusing on people who should be punished more like McQueary, Spanier, etc.

3) Wanting more punishment for PSU is part of the Internet Rage MAchine that always gets generated. "WAAAAH, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I want MORE punishment! SCORCH THE EARTH!"

4) The victims will be compensated by PSU now that the Freeh report is out.

So, to reiterate:

a) Sandusky is going to die in jail.
b) Paterno is dead and his legacy is gone
c) McQueary has been fired (and should be investigated more, because NO ONE has asked the question to him why he didn't go to the cops.)
d) Curley and Schultz still have to be tried and will probably go to jail for a while
e) Spanier will probably get indicted for something
f) The victims will get money, and lots of it.
g) The entire PSU coaching staff under Paterno's reign is getting weeded out with new coaches

So I ask you this: What MORE do you want to happen? Outside of getting rid of the board of trustees, what more do you want? ANYTHING else you do affects people that has NOTHING do with this situation!


The death penalty ensures that this will never happen again there. Happy valley is centered around protecting itself, you have to nuke it from orbit...its the only way to be sure
 
2012-07-12 10:31:37 AM

WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 250x405]


so much win
 
2012-07-12 10:31:41 AM

mikaloyd: Some LSU supporters want to get molested at PSU then root for Bama




Ah, fine work by an esteemed LSU graduate. An English major, no doubt.
 
2012-07-12 10:32:17 AM

chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now. As I type this there are 0 mentions of Spanier, Curley and Schultz in this thread. Three people that should be firmly in spotlight and can be punished for what they did. Making this about a dead man only minimizes the spotlight on these people and in my opinion is counterproductive.


I didn't mention their names, but I will. Put Spanier, Curley and Schultz in prison for the rest of their lives. They allowed themselves to benefit repeatedly from the abuse and rape of children and have no place in society.
 
2012-07-12 10:32:20 AM
The important thing is they won a lot of football games.
 
2012-07-12 10:32:23 AM
I live in Penn State country and they are not in any danger of losing a fresh supply of students each year.

I love how Dr. Spainer aggressively pursued the claim that an agent bought $400 bucks worth of clothing for a football team member, but tried to sweep this one under the rug.

Guess which issue had a larger chance of getting Penn State in trouble with the NCAA?

Everyone involved with the cover up of this is guilty. Even McQueary, who is being heralded as some kind of whistleblower, should have gone to some other authority when he saw nothing being done. He might have lost his job, but at least he'd be able to sleep at night.
 
2012-07-12 10:32:44 AM
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Too soon?
 
2012-07-12 10:32:53 AM
You would think that catching a serial pedophile and making a show that the football/school staff does not stand for such behavior would protect and even enhance the team's/school's image even more. They would have all been big damn heroes years ago if they had just done the right thing.

/they're all quite free to burn forever now, though
 
2012-07-12 10:33:01 AM

Millennium: lGreven: Bender The Offender: Outrageous Muff: So kids were being abused by adults to gain power and no one did anything about it? So how is this different than all other college football programs?

Oh look, someone so morally farked up that they equate child rape with college athletes not receiving a paycheck. How farked up do you have to be to use the rape of little kids to advance a collegiate athletic salary agenda? goddamn youre a piece of filth.

Ah, the second in the believer playbook: Shame. When someone comes in and merely questions your belief, you immediately label them an enemy so as to shame them into the "right" position, or barring that, counting coup.

The point remains: are you trying to claim that the covering up of child rape is equivalent to not paying college football athletes? Or are you instead suggesting that other college athletic programs need to be investigated for similar cover-ups?


I'm suggesting that, when someone questions your beliefs, your first, last, and only action should not be to ad hominem them out of the discussion. If you can't tell someone why you hold your beliefs without labeling them as a member of a group which adamantly does not hold your beliefs, your beliefs aren't worth holding. And if this kind of troll can get people so riled up that they start calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a pedo lover...well, then, why should anyone listen to anyone in this thread?
 
2012-07-12 10:33:15 AM
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Problem solved.
 
2012-07-12 10:33:29 AM

Geonags: Outrageous Muff: Geonags: DEATH PENALTY

fark PENN STATE THEY LOVE RAPING LITTLE KIDS, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

And this why you can't take Ohioans anywhere.

You like raping little boys too? Cause it sounds like you are just like all the other scum from happy valley.


I'm sure every person connected with Penn State loves to rape children, like you inferred. I can only assume that Penn State beat your alma mater in football as to the reason you have an irrational hatred for a place you've more than likely never been before.
 
2012-07-12 10:33:39 AM
Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.
 
2012-07-12 10:33:48 AM

chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now


The same reason anybody ever focused on him to begin with. Because the people most outraged are only "outraged" because it gives them a chance to try and legitimize a seething resentment they already held for the high-profile football coach. Most people outside PA don't know who Graham Spanier is so the people who hate Penn State use Joe Paterno's name instead because they're not angry about kids getting raped, they're angry about Penn State being Penn State because they've always been angry about Penn State, now they just have a "reason" to hate it.

Nobody in this thread gives a damn about what happened. For as awful as what the leadership at Penn State did, the reality is that the only reason people are freaking out about this now is because they're taking the opportunity to rage against a football school they already didn't like. If it was some podunk little college it would get a blurb and a pass, but all the people who get Very Angry about college football and hate Penn State football as a result are just abusing the opportunity.

It was about football when Paterno, Curly, Shultz, et. al. ignored their responsibilities, it's about football now when people are yelling and screaming obscenities at the school. The whole thing is still just one giant, pathetic, football-loving clusterfark and it's absolutely disgusting. A bunch of sick opportunists using the serious, systematic abuse of children as a reason to yell and scream at an opposing school's football program. Just plain sick.
 
2012-07-12 10:33:55 AM

talulahgosh: jesus christ people, not everyone at penn state is a child molester....


No, but far more are either outright willing to look the other way or unwilling to get a serious (and disturbing) rumor checked out.

...and not everyone at penn state is cheering on joepa's image.

Yeah, but I don't see many people tearing it down either.

far more people there are disgusted with what happened.

Not enough, it seems.
 
2012-07-12 10:34:55 AM
Maybe the college should be banned from playing football for a few years.... Lets send a message to the adults and other schools. In addition of course the people who knew and covered up for it.... just as guilty, if not more guilty. Put a bright light on these coach roaches.. watch them run for cover in the shadows and squish them before they can get there.
 
2012-07-12 10:35:08 AM

Yanks_RSJ: I didn't say everyone was. I said the cult members will be here soon, and I assure you right now they're already going strong over at FightonState.com.


are you actually there? i feel sorry for you then.
i can't imagine how enraging it would be to see someone trying to make joepa some sort of hero after all of this...
 
2012-07-12 10:35:09 AM

GAT_00: Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.


You shut up! The Mob wants justice. Anyone will do, just as long as they can type in all caps and make statments like "Death Penalty!"
 
2012-07-12 10:35:10 AM
PSU threads, torture threads, Katrina threads....Fark's way of helping single out the retards.
 
2012-07-12 10:35:33 AM

MattyFridays: So I ask you this: What MORE do you want to happen? Outside of getting rid of the board of trustees, what more do you want? ANYTHING else you do affects people that has NOTHING do with this situation!


When SMU got the death penalty, it affected people who had nothing to do with the situation. I can't think of a more egregious and flagrant violation of basic human decency involving college athletics. This cult of personality around Joe Paterno and the slavish fealty heaped upon him and his program are precisely the environment that fostered Sandusky's predation of young boys.
 
2012-07-12 10:35:33 AM
I was actually waiting for it to be discovered that there was a whole system up there set up to help boy touchers touch little boys.
 
2012-07-12 10:35:46 AM

Geonags:

The death penalty ensures that this will never happen again there. Happy valley is centered around protecting itself, you have to nuke it from orbit...its the only wa ...


You don't think the stigma of this doesn't ensure it'll never happen again? That the entire University is tainted from this? You don't think for the next 50+ years, the first thing that will enter into people's heads is Sandusky when someone says Penn State?

Never mind the fact that someone suggested the DOE pull federal aid. Some kid who is a chemical engineer who has no interest in football now suddenly has to leave school because of something he had nothing to with?
 
2012-07-12 10:36:07 AM

ecl: So is Penn State gonna just dissolve and the degrees from there are worthless or what?


Nope. Penn State continues as an institution, and degrees are no more worthless than they already were. They just don't get to have a first-class football program anymore, and their students get to live with the shame that they didn't graduate from an honorable institution.

/If there's justice
 
2012-07-12 10:36:09 AM

talulahgosh: trying to make joepa some sort of hero after all of this...


It's not about making him a hero. It is about diminishing his power and influence just enough so that people accept that he was just a figure-head there for the past 20 years. Enough deflection to make it ok to still love the guy.
 
2012-07-12 10:36:18 AM

mikaloyd: mister aj: Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

No it wasnt just rumors. It was Sandusky forcing his dick into pre teens mouths and asses. For over a decade. And a systematic coverup by all levels of Penn State to make sure it wasnt found out.


Did your definition of "rumor" come from a Penn State dictionary?

Hindsight is 20/20. Turns out that Sandusky was indeed making love to his students, but nobody in "power" had actually witnessed anything. Like I said, rumours.

And don't we think it's strange that none of the victims actually came forward until they were force years later when these allegations made the news?Maybe it would have been best to let some things remain in the past, rather than dig it all up years later and cover the victims in shame for things that they might not have thought a big deal of?
 
2012-07-12 10:36:25 AM
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2012-07-12 10:36:36 AM
...and may I take this opportunity of emphasizing that there is no child rape in the football program. Absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount, more than we are prepared to admit, but all new ratings are warned that if they wake up in the morning and find any marks at all anywhere on their bodies, they're to tell me immediately so that I can immediately take every measure to hush the whole thing up.
 
2012-07-12 10:36:40 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: december: if you still support or contribute to Penn State then you are defending child rapists and their accomplices. It's really that simple.

I'll bet a lot of things seem really simple to you...


This is petty simple, unless you're trying to excuse it. Then (and only then) does it get any kind of complicated
 
2012-07-12 10:36:40 AM

GAT_00: Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.


I'm sure you read the article and read the report. Oh, wait, they didn't come with a box of crayons, so probably not.
 
2012-07-12 10:36:55 AM

bulldg4life: PSU threads, torture threads, Katrina threads....Fark's way of helping single out the retards.


Wait. this is a PSU thread? I thought I was in the 50 Shades of Grey thread.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:06 AM

canaryfarmer: You would think that catching a serial pedophile and making a show that the football/school staff does not stand for such behavior would protect and even enhance the team's/school's image even more. They would have all been big damn heroes years ago if they had just done the right thing.

/they're all quite free to burn forever now, though


THIS.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:18 AM

mytdawg: This just in:

The rich and powerful can pretty much do as they please with impunity

unless what they're doing is enough to seriously piss off the rest of the rich and powerful.

/feexed
 
2012-07-12 10:37:22 AM

GAT_00: Of course JoePa is going to get blamed. He's dead and people have decided Sandusky isn't enough of a villain. JoePa can't defend himself, so why not destroy him?

It's an easy way to give people someone else to the mob, and the mob already killed him.


Joe Paterno was also for many, the face of Penn State. The fact that these acts happened by a staff memeber of his, in his department, in the very facilities he has called home for decades, will always lead the finger to be pointed at him. And there is nothing wrong with that.

If something happens in the department that I manage, by one of my staff memebers, that I knew about and did not handle then I am help responsible. As should Joe. Yes he is dead and cannot be punished anymore but that does no exclude his name being discussed in conection with these henious acts.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:36 AM
Paterno - pater means father. As in holy father.

That's why there was such a cover up. That's the way the church operates. Hide the criminals.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:43 AM

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.


Now that's some quality trolling. 9/10. Bravo.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:49 AM

bulldg4life: talulahgosh: trying to make joepa some sort of hero after all of this...

It's not about making him a hero. It is about diminishing his power and influence just enough so that people accept that he was just a figure-head there for the past 20 years. Enough deflection to make it ok to still love the guy.


Hey, we all have room in our hearts for a loveable old guy who lets a buddy bugger little boys right under his nose for a couple of decades. He won all those football games!
 
2012-07-12 10:38:04 AM
I can't fap to this!
 
2012-07-12 10:38:19 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: they're angry about Penn State being Penn State because they've always been angry about Penn State, now they just have a "reason" to hate it.


Yes, that's exactly it. Living on the west coast now, and I can't tell you just how many Pac-10 fans have been just JEALOUS of Penn State for all these years.

/Actually born in PA, and I still never gave a f*ck for Penn State
 
2012-07-12 10:38:22 AM

Godscrack: Paterno - pater means father. As in holy father.

That's why there was such a cover up. That's the way the church operates. Hide the criminals.


OMG!! QUICK! SOMEONE TELL DAN BROWN!!!!
 
2012-07-12 10:38:30 AM

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.


So why didn't Paterno get law enforcement involved?
 
2012-07-12 10:38:42 AM

IlGreven: The Muthaship: Death Penalty.

Nuke the school from orbit. This isn't a football-only problem; it was a whole university problem. If Harvard Law School had a similar cover up, we damn sure wouldn't be calling to just kill Harvard Law.


Actually, it would just kill Harvard Law. Harvard is set up that the various schools are run individually. Any single school can fail and not affect the Harvard Corporation or any of the other schools at a financial level.

Now, if Harvard Corporation were involved, that's a different story, but highly unlikely that would happen.

/guess where I work?
//TMYK
 
2012-07-12 10:38:44 AM
SMU was shut down because players got paid. Miami was heavily penalized because players got paid.

Penn States defenders are pushing to have Penn State exonerated while 10 year old boys were raped on campus, while the head coach, athletic director and college president all knew and had email threads discussing the incidents, and all agreed to hush things up and lie about it going forward.
 
2012-07-12 10:38:47 AM

talulahgosh: are you actually there? i feel sorry for you then.


Morbid curiosity, I couldn't get past page 1 of the thread over there. There are some sick folks.
 
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