These scum didn't care about little kids getting raped so long as it didn't interfere with their billions of dollars in college football revenue.

The entire spectrum of the college football racket, from incidents like this to the EA Sports screw job, deserves a Senate investigation.

The Muthaship: Death Penalty.

Can't happen. Furman v. Georgia saw to that: not a bad decision overall, but on this one point they really screwed up.

Private_Citizen: I was discussing this with my wife this morning. Joe Pa wrote that "this had nothing to do with the football program".

I disagree. It became about the football program the moment you decided protecting the reputation of your football team was more important than protecting children.

Exactly. If McQueery had seen a janitor with that boy instead of Sandusky, it would have been reported and no one would have tried to cover it up.

Football programs are like powerful, prestigious clubs. The members can do no wrong, and they make sure to keep each other out of trouble.

Just for some context: The student body of Penn State rioted in support of a child rape cover up.

Ponder on that.

Could civil suits bankrupt Penn State over this?

Geonags: DEATH PENALTY

fark PENN STATE THEY LOVE RAPING LITTLE KIDS, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

And this why you can't take Ohioans anywhere.

Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now. As I type this there are 0 mentions of Spanier, Curley and Schultz in this thread. Three people that should be firmly in spotlight and can be punished for what they did. Making this about a dead man only minimizes the spotlight on these people and in my opinion is counterproductive.

In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

9/10

LaViergeNoire: Can't add anything new - I'm just glad this is official and not just rumor anymore. Sandusky starts a program for troubled kids so that he can 1. Have his choice among the vulnerable and 2. Make himself feel like he's helping, which more than makes up for the raping and Penn State decides that ruining multiple innocent children's lives is totally worth it if the team and school look good. I want to see everyone who covered this up in prison, and Paterno was as guilty as anyone. His fear of reprisal probably served to stress his body and made him die faster than he would have otherwise. These are evil men.

This is also what bothers me most.

CSB: I work in the juvenile justice system. I've seen cases of kids getting abused and kids being the perpetrators. It's a vicious cycle. Once you've been abused you're mostly farked for life. The worst part is that the abused kids are almost ALWAYS poor, vulnerable kids. Sandusky, like other predators, carefully selects the most vulnerable kids, grooms them, gains their trust, then violates them. PSU allowed him to use their facilities as a farking hunting grounds for his sick activities. Fark them all.

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All those peopel giving JoePa a pass need to read this article very carefully.

//Hope there's a hell, and he's burning in it.



Nobody's perfect

Julieahni: So, how is Penn State ever going to attract any students? Who'd want to go there?

I hear some gay people like this kind of sex.

Outrageous Muff: Serious Black: Were people many years younger than the age of consent getting anally and orally raped by adults by football staffers in all these other college football programs?

Have you seen the ticket prices for some Division 1 games? Talk about taking it up the ass.

You know what? You're absolutely right. Paying a lot of money to attend a popular program's football game and not giving football players more than a full ride scholarship is COMPLETELY comparable to having an older man dominate you and force you to take his erect penis up your butt or in your mouth repeatedly.

The football program should be shut down for 15 years. Let the current players transfer with no penalties. There has never been a more dramatic case of institutional malfeasance in terms of university athletics.

Let's see if the NCAA has any balls.

mikaloyd: Some LSU supporters want to get molested at PSU then root for Bama


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You probably thought that was a typo.

mister aj: Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours,

Paterno is the reason law enforcement did not get involved.

chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.

...which is precisely why they're fixating: He's dead. He can't defend himself. And everyone that tries is labeled an enabler. No one cares about the actual victims in the case enough to stick around for the trials; they've got their witch.

chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now. As I type this there are 0 mentions of Spanier, Curley and Schultz in this thread. Three people that should be firmly in spotlight and can be punished for what they did. Making this about a dead man only minimizes the spotlight on these people and in my opinion is counterproductive.

His supporters have been running interference for months. He shouldn't get to walk away clean, dead or not.

The rest of the child rape enablers will be getting theirs soon enough.

IlGreven: Bender The Offender: Outrageous Muff: So kids were being abused by adults to gain power and no one did anything about it? So how is this different than all other college football programs?

Oh look, someone so morally farked up that they equate child rape with college athletes not receiving a paycheck. How farked up do you have to be to use the rape of little kids to advance a collegiate athletic salary agenda? goddamn youre a piece of filth.

Ah, the second in the believer playbook: Shame. When someone comes in and merely questions your belief, you immediately label them an enemy so as to shame them into the "right" position, or barring that, counting coup.

The point remains: are you trying to claim that the covering up of child rape is equivalent to not paying college football athletes? Or are you instead suggesting that other college athletic programs need to be investigated for similar cover-ups?

/But I doubt you'll hear this, because you've got me plonked for actually using my brain.

If you're actually trying to equate child rape to unpaid college athletes, then I'm forced to question whether or not your brain is what you were using.

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours.

No, it's the responsibility of people in authority to call law enforcement when multiple witnesses report children being raped in the showers, so an independent entity can investigate and determine facts. PSU leadership knew the facts would destroy their vaunted football program, so the whole business was buried and a child rapist kept raping children.

Louis Freeh: reactionary douchebag

Read a great article on why this was so covered up. It's was more than just the insular nature of Penn State, dealing with problems internally, and protecting the name of the school. The very physical location of Penn State has lead to a culture of "we'll deal with it here". If you've never been, it's kinda of remote and not easy to get to. Happy Valley is closed off from the rest of the statem in large part due to it's location. Over the years this has helped lead to the culture of "keep it to ourselves"

Interesting stuff.

/JoePa's only legacy will be this, and that's not a shame because he brought it upon himself.

The Muthaship: Death Penalty.

Again. The Death Penalty only penalizes people who had no idea this was going on. All of the enablers, the people who didn't report, and the people who used this to get a job (McQueary) are now gone from the program. They can't fire Spanier from his tenured position unless he's criminally charged.

Some people on twitter are actually implying the DOE would decimate the school by preventing federal student aid going to PSU. REALLY?

Here is my stance:

1) I went to West Virginia, so hating PSU is my birthright, pretty much. It's the one thing Pitt and WVU fans can agree on.

2) The people who are involved in this case are being punished. People are focusing too much on Paterno when he's DEAD when people should be focusing on people who should be punished more like McQueary, Spanier, etc.

3) Wanting more punishment for PSU is part of the Internet Rage MAchine that always gets generated. "WAAAAH, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I want MORE punishment! SCORCH THE EARTH!"

4) The victims will be compensated by PSU now that the Freeh report is out.

So, to reiterate:

a) Sandusky is going to die in jail.
b) Paterno is dead and his legacy is gone
c) McQueary has been fired (and should be investigated more, because NO ONE has asked the question to him why he didn't go to the cops.)
d) Curley and Schultz still have to be tried and will probably go to jail for a while
e) Spanier will probably get indicted for something
f) The victims will get money, and lots of it.
g) The entire PSU coaching staff under Paterno's reign is getting weeded out with new coaches

So I ask you this: What MORE do you want to happen? Outside of getting rid of the board of trustees, what more do you want? ANYTHING else you do affects people that has NOTHING do with this situation!

Some of the more shocking details (IMO):

1. staffers at Penn State had an idea that Sandusky's 1998 shower incident wasn't the first. That he had brought other boys before.

2. Paterno didn't feel the need to report the McCready incident will due diligence because he didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend.

3. Sandusky retiring had to relation to all of the raping, that he left of his own free will, was paid 200k and given access to the campus to continue his rapings.

Serious Black: Outrageous Muff: Serious Black: Were people many years younger than the age of consent getting anally and orally raped by adults by football staffers in all these other college football programs?

Have you seen the ticket prices for some Division 1 games? Talk about taking it up the ass.

You know what? You're absolutely right. Paying a lot of money to attend a popular program's football game and not giving football players more than a full ride scholarship is COMPLETELY comparable to having an older man dominate you and force you to take his erect penis up your butt or in your mouth repeatedly.

You sound...*puts on sunglasses* butthurt.

YYEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

HeathenHealer: Reposted from the other PedoState thread:

Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.

To be fair, Millen was possibly the single worst GM in recent history for the Lions, it isn't like he suddenly became an astute judge of character or knows how to determine fact from stories he made up in his head and then believed.

IlGreven: chakas: Why is everyone fixating on Paterno. He's dead and there's no punishment that can be given to him now.

...which is precisely why they're fixating: He's dead. He can't defend himself. And everyone that tries is labeled an enabler. No one cares about the actual victims in the case enough to stick around for the trials; they've got their witch.

Maybe you're unclear on what a witch trial is.

There is no such thing as a witch, but there is a such thing as evidence that Paterno was involved in this, despite his denials.

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

For something this serious, that risk is acceptable.

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

That's why you get law enforcement involved. Presumption of guilt is wrong, but when it comes to accusations like these, you've got to check.

Outrageous Muff: Geonags: DEATH PENALTY

fark PENN STATE THEY LOVE RAPING LITTLE KIDS, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

And this why you can't take Ohioans anywhere.

You like raping little boys too? Cause it sounds like you are just like all the other scum from happy valley.

What? Football is no less a religion than the Catholic church. It only seems fair to let him rape a few kids. It gives the religion much needed creds.

mikaloyd: WE ARE!

CHILD MOLESTERS!

/doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

december: if you still support or contribute to Penn State then you are defending child rapists and their accomplices. It's really that simple.

I'll bet a lot of things seem really simple to you...

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

Law enforcement could have known YEARS earlier, had it not been for 'handling things quietly'.

talulahgosh: Yanks_RSJ: Julieahni: So, how is Penn State ever going to attract any students? Who'd want to go there?

Trust me, the cult members will be out in force soon defending JoePa, and they'll keep sending their kids there. If nothing else, this incident has taught me a lot about the power of denial and how deranged many of the residents of Central PA are.

jesus christ people, not everyone at penn state is a child molester. and not everyone at penn state is cheering on joepa's image. far more people there are disgusted with what happened.
and no, i didn't go to penn state.
i know people who live and work there, and they feel the same way everyone else on fark does, that joepa is not a hero.

Nope. Everyone that goes to Penn State is either a pedo or an enabler, and everyone who disagrees with that statement is also either a pedo or an enabler.

/Scientology is less blatant in how it treats its detractors.

This is from a 2001 email exchange between Curley, Schultz, and Spanier:

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved."

Source:
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/6/29/3127196/penn-state-em a ils-cnn-jerry-sandusky

They had decided to go to the authorities, but JoePa talked them out of it. So the people who claim that JoePa is innocent because he's just a football coach and he reported what he needed to up the chain of command are wrong - he wielded a LOT more authority than that. He was likely the most powerful man on campus.

Then there's the emails detailing Paterno's abuse of power when it came to disciplining football players. Dr. Vicky Triponey, then vice president of student affairs, had this to say:

"Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code -- despite any moral or legal obligation to do so,"

Source:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/19542098/ w ill-emails-from-penn-state-vp-of-student-affairs-about-paterno-trigger -ncaa

Joe was as guilty as anyone, and I'm actually sad he's dead, because he deserves to be publicly shamed for his role in all of this.

talulahgosh: jesus christ people, not everyone at penn state is a child molester. and not everyone at penn state is cheering on joepa's image. far more people there are disgusted with what happened.
and no, i didn't go to penn state.
i know people who live and work there, and they feel the same way everyone else on fark does, that joepa is not a hero.

I didn't say everyone was. I said the cult members will be here soon, and I assure you right now they're already going strong over at FightonState.com.

talulahgosh: Yanks_RSJ: Julieahni: So, how is Penn State ever going to attract any students? Who'd want to go there?

Trust me, the cult members will be out in force soon defending JoePa, and they'll keep sending their kids there. If nothing else, this incident has taught me a lot about the power of denial and how deranged many of the residents of Central PA are.

jesus christ people, not everyone at penn state is a child molester. and not everyone at penn state is cheering on joepa's image. far more people there are disgusted with what happened.
and no, i didn't go to penn state.
i know people who live and work there, and they feel the same way everyone else on fark does, that joepa is not a hero.

No, they just rioted at the thought of JoePa being held accountable.

mister aj: In this thread: reactionary douchebags think that it's the responsibility of people in authority to overreact and get people fired based on unsubstantiated rumours. Imagine if JoePa had gotten involved, ruined a good team and dragged its name through the dirt, and it had turned out to be based on nothing?

Until law enforcement got involved, it was all just rumours, the kind of malicious rumour that you'll hear in quite a few schools where others are jealous of the achievements of the team and their coach.

What rumors? Sandusky's acts were witnessed all the way back in 2001 by a coach that tried to do something about it, and was told to keep quiet, we'll handle it ourselves. It was never addressed, and Sandusky continued to abuse kids. The facts are all there, this is not about rumors, it's about what happned and the lack of anyone caring anything for the kids and caring only for the name of the Great Penn State.

Outrageous Muff: So kids were being abused by adults to gain power and no one did anything about it? So how is this different than all other college football programs?

It's worth paying attention to and doing something about?

/need to bring back "boiling in oil"
//"naked upside-down crucifixions on TV once a week at halftime on the Monday Night Football game" as Carlin put it, till this shiat calms down
///entitled farking pricks can wait till the pros to get paid to play a child's game, you're in school to learn