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(Washington Times)   Expecting to extend quality health care access to millions of Americans by pressing them into the existing Medicaid system is a little like expecting to win the Indy 500 in a 1965 Chevy Corvair   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 107
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2012-07-12 09:00:13 AM  
This has become like anti-nuclear-power nuts complaining about any and every solution proposed for storing nuclear waste. Of course, anti-nuclear-power nuts have never proposed a solution. The Republicans proposed a solution and then fought it tooth and nail.
 
2012-07-12 09:12:23 AM  
Expecting The Washington Times to require anything approaching intellectual honesty in their editorials is a little like expecting that you'll be able to use the pile of dogshiat you just stepped in as shoe polish.
 
2012-07-12 09:16:45 AM  
Beats trying to win the Indy 500 on foot.
 
2012-07-12 09:17:08 AM  
Meanwhile Republicans keep trying to turn the economy into a Pinto.
 
2012-07-12 09:19:17 AM  
That's an incongruous analogy.

vygramul: This has become like anti-nuclear-power nuts complaining about any and every solution proposed for storing nuclear waste. Of course, anti-nuclear-power nuts have never proposed a solution.


Yes they have. Stop making motherfarking nuclear waste.
 
2012-07-12 09:27:08 AM  
Expecting to hear anything except complete horseshiat from the Reverend Sun Myung Moon is like trying to find enlightenment at a strip club.
 
2012-07-12 09:30:46 AM  
Healthcare = car racing. Got it. Seriously, we get it rednecks, cars go zoom and make loud noises. Leave public policy to the adults.
 
2012-07-12 09:35:47 AM  

kingoomieiii: That's an incongruous analogy.

vygramul: This has become like anti-nuclear-power nuts complaining about any and every solution proposed for storing nuclear waste. Of course, anti-nuclear-power nuts have never proposed a solution.

Yes they have. Stop making motherfarking nuclear waste.


Whether they stop is a separate issue. What do they do with all the waste they have NOW?
 
2012-07-12 09:40:30 AM  

vygramul: Whether they stop is a separate issue. What do they do with all the waste they have NOW?


Actually scientists have been working on bacteria to break it down. These things take a lot of time to research though. The current solution is to bury it in the desert, or in Europe's case, ship it to Russia.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2012-07-12 09:43:57 AM  
Gov. Perry is one strong, tough talking Texan!

Best of all, he is correct that we need to not only stop ObamaCare, but we must also abolish Medicaid and Medicare and end all forms of Socialized Medicine.

i132.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-12 09:47:52 AM  

sweetmelissa31: vygramul: Whether they stop is a separate issue. What do they do with all the waste they have NOW?

Actually scientists have been working on bacteria to break it down. These things take a lot of time to research though. The current solution is to bury it in the desert, or in Europe's case, ship it to Russia.


Where do you think Yucca Mtn is? Not good enough, apparently.
 
2012-07-12 09:51:12 AM  
If the GOP will publish a proposal that insures as many (or more) people as ObamaCare does, with as quality of coverage as ObamaCare provides, and that reduces the deficit by as much as ObamaCare does, and it passes muster with the CBO, I will wholeheartedly support that plan.
 
2012-07-12 09:52:50 AM  
This has been about more voters having more access. Quantity is the goal.
 
2012-07-12 09:54:22 AM  

s2s2s2: This has been about more voters having more access. Quantity is the goal.


anything > 0
 
2012-07-12 09:55:30 AM  
Expecting reasonable content and analysis from the propaganda wing of the Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung-Moon is like touring a slaughterhouse on LSD. I'm not sure exactly how, but it really is.
 
2012-07-12 09:55:38 AM  
Um yeah, try getting an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid, especially if you need a specialist.
 
2012-07-12 09:55:59 AM  
STOP hating on Chevy. Cars are great
 
2012-07-12 09:56:30 AM  
The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.
 
2012-07-12 09:56:31 AM  

s2s2s2: This has been about more voters having more access. Quantity is the goal.


I know, what a crime. Don't worry bro, it'll all average out for your side with voter ID and whatnot. One side allows for 30 million people access to healthcare, the other side tries to swing the vote their way using tactics to make it difficult for the poor and elderly to get IDs. It's like... totally the same!
 
2012-07-12 09:57:23 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Expecting to hear anything except complete horseshiat from the Reverend Sun Myung Moon is like trying to find enlightenment at a strip club.


Harsh, dude. You just haven't been to the right strip clubs.
 
2012-07-12 09:57:51 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Um yeah, try getting an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid, especially if you need a specialist.


It's more likely than finding a doctor who takes the completely uninsured.
 
2012-07-12 09:58:49 AM  
Expecting to extend quality health care access to millions of Americans by voting for the GOP is a little like expecting to win the Indy 500 in a 1965 Yugo. It's just not the right tool for the job.
 
2012-07-12 09:59:47 AM  
Anyone else get a check from their insurance company because of Obamacare?

Got one yesterday, guess it was the provision that certain percentage of premiums have to be used for services.

Suck it Contards.
 
2012-07-12 09:59:57 AM  

Serious Black: If the GOP will publish a proposal that insures as many (or more) people as ObamaCare does, with as quality of coverage as ObamaCare provides, and that reduces the deficit by as much as ObamaCare does, and it passes muster with the CBO, I will wholeheartedly support that plan.


I hope this is Obama's response to Romney during the debates. Doing nothing isn't an option, and that seems to be the Republican position on health care.
 
2012-07-12 10:00:05 AM  

theknuckler_33: The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.


What's the difference between "block grants" and the current funding mechanism?
 
2012-07-12 10:00:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Expecting to hear anything except complete horseshiat from the Reverend Sun Myung Moon is like trying to find enlightenment at a strip club.


To be fair the last time I came home from a strip club my wallet was considerably "enlightened."
 
2012-07-12 10:00:54 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Um yeah, try getting an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid, especially if you need a specialist.


Try getting a doctor appointment with no insurance and no money.

anything > nothing
 
2012-07-12 10:01:03 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: TheGreatGazoo: Um yeah, try getting an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid, especially if you need a specialist.

It's more likely than finding a doctor who takes the completely uninsured.


Call a Doctor and tell them you will pay cash up front for your appointment... they will see you almost immediately.
 
2012-07-12 10:01:08 AM  
Overturn 0bummercare. Let the free market sort it out.
 
2012-07-12 10:01:28 AM  
The solution is to put every single American on medicaid. That should be a big step forward.
 
2012-07-12 10:02:01 AM  

qorkfiend: theknuckler_33: The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.

What's the difference between "block grants" and the current funding mechanism?


With a block grant, the state gets to decide how to spend the money instead of the fed telling them how to spend it. Innovation!!!!
 
2012-07-12 10:02:39 AM  
Republicans love Obamacare, and at some point they're going to be crying that everyone calls it Obamacare.
 
2012-07-12 10:02:56 AM  

dwrash: Philip Francis Queeg: TheGreatGazoo: Um yeah, try getting an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid, especially if you need a specialist.

It's more likely than finding a doctor who takes the completely uninsured.

Call a Doctor and tell them you will pay cash up front for your appointment... they will see you almost immediately.


Well there we have it folks, the answer to how the poor get access to quality healthcare: Pay cash up front. Why hasn't anyone proposed this brilliant, comprehensive solution before?
 
2012-07-12 10:03:22 AM  
So, the millions of American actually get to participate in the race, or are they still looking in from outside the chain-link fence?
 
2012-07-12 10:03:26 AM  

theknuckler_33: qorkfiend: theknuckler_33: The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.

What's the difference between "block grants" and the current funding mechanism?

With a block grant, the state gets to decide how to spend the money instead of the fed telling them how to spend it. Innovation!!!!


Ah, so "block grants" is code for "states can gut Medicaid and use the funds for pet projects". Got it!
 
2012-07-12 10:03:39 AM  
P and Q are similar in respect to properties a, b, and c.
Object P has been observed to have further property x.
Therefore, Q probably has property x also.
 
2012-07-12 10:03:49 AM  

theknuckler_33: The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.


Worse yet, it completely ignores one major reason why insurance is not like other commercial products. If you increase the number of people selling, say, broccoli in your town, prices will drop all other things being equal as they fight for market share. If you increase the number of people selling health insurance policies, prices will actually increase because each company's risk pool is shrinking. That's a major reason why all European countries that use private companies to achieve universal coverage have a risk equalization fund.
 
2012-07-12 10:04:08 AM  

CDP: Gov. Perry is one strong, tough talking Texan!

Best of all, he is correct that we need to not only stop ObamaCare, but we must also abolish Medicaid and Medicare and end all forms of Socialized Medicine.

[ClintPerry]


Noice pic. Gov "the Man with No Plan" Perry.

/Have you long faved and farkied as "juxtapositional mindfark awesomesauce"
 
2012-07-12 10:04:34 AM  

FarkedOver: Overturn 0bummercare. Let the free market sort it out.


That only ever seems to serve the people that control the market for some weird reason.

And no, the market isn't lead by a magical ghostly hand that always knows best.
 
2012-07-12 10:04:41 AM  

NateGrey: Anyone else get a check from their insurance company because of Obamacare?

Got one yesterday, guess it was the provision that certain percentage of premiums have to be used for services.

Suck it Contards.


My wife and I recently went from $1400/month for insurance to $400/month. Same coverage.
 
2012-07-12 10:04:56 AM  

qorkfiend: theknuckler_33: qorkfiend: theknuckler_33: The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.

What's the difference between "block grants" and the current funding mechanism?

With a block grant, the state gets to decide how to spend the money instead of the fed telling them how to spend it. Innovation!!!!

Ah, so "block grants" is code for "states can gut Medicaid and use the funds for pet projects tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations". Got it!


Close.
 
2012-07-12 10:05:06 AM  
Expecting to extend quality health care access to millions of Americans by pressing them into the existing Medicaid system is a little like expecting to win the Indy 500 in a 1965 Chevy Corvair

Never make analogies again.
 
2012-07-12 10:05:34 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: NateGrey: Anyone else get a check from their insurance company because of Obamacare?

Got one yesterday, guess it was the provision that certain percentage of premiums have to be used for services.

Suck it Contards.

My wife and I recently went from $1400/month for insurance to $400/month. Same coverage.


Holy sh*t. That's awesome.
 
2012-07-12 10:05:46 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: This has been about more voters having more access. Quantity is the goal.

anything > 0


coeyagi: s2s2s2: This has been about more voters having more access. Quantity is the goal.

I know, what a crime. Don't worry bro, it'll all average out for your side with voter ID and whatnot. One side allows for 30 million people access to healthcare, the other side tries to swing the vote their way using tactics to make it difficult for the poor and elderly to get IDs. It's like... totally the same!


It wasn't a criticism, bigots.
 
2012-07-12 10:05:48 AM  

vygramul: kingoomieiii: That's an incongruous analogy.

vygramul: This has become like anti-nuclear-power nuts complaining about any and every solution proposed for storing nuclear waste. Of course, anti-nuclear-power nuts have never proposed a solution.

Yes they have. Stop making motherfarking nuclear waste.

Whether they stop is a separate issue. What do they do with all the waste they have NOW?


In a sane world, we would throw it into breeder reactors and reuse it.
 
2012-07-12 10:07:20 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Um yeah, try getting an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid, especially if you need a specialist.


Um yeah, our cardiology practice is composed of approximately 32% medicare/medicaid patients. True story, it is easier to get payment for services from medicare than it is to get from UHC. We get it, the president is black, but if you can offer nothing but baseless, fear-mongering talking points designed to frighten old people, perhaps you should just shut the fark up?
 
2012-07-12 10:08:35 AM  

qorkfiend: theknuckler_33: qorkfiend: theknuckler_33: The single best thing we can do to increase access to care is to lower costs through reforms that promote competition. But to provide a safety net for those who need it, we can prevent Medicaid from crushing federal and state budgets by sending Medicaid funds to states in the form of block grants and unleashing the power of state innovation and creativity.

For goodness sakes, is there really anyone with a functioning brain that considers this mumbo-jumbo a legitimate alternative 'plan'? If conservatives could ever say anything that isn't a farking catch phrase or platitude, I think my head would explode.

What's the difference between "block grants" and the current funding mechanism?

With a block grant, the state gets to decide how to spend the money instead of the fed telling them how to spend it. Innovation!!!!

Ah, so "block grants" is code for "states can gut Medicaid and use the funds for pet projects". Got it!


Essentially, yes. The problem is that it just plain doesn't work. Starting in 2009, Rhode Island received a Medicaid waiver that would allow them to do basically whatever they wanted with the federal government's Medicaid funds for the state. In exchange, the federal government capped their expenditures to the state at $12 billion. After two years, the impact to the state's budget was negligible at best (and ultimately impossible to determine). Beyond that, the state never hit the spending cap because it was astronomically high. Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney's block grant plan for Medicaid would reduce spending by about 35% after ten years. There's no silver bullet out there.
 
2012-07-12 10:08:48 AM  
The really great thing about the ACA is that after 2017 (I think), states CAN create their own health reform systems, so long as the results are at least as effective as the ACA.

So "ObamaCare" already DOES allow for complete state innovation and independence.
 
2012-07-12 10:08:55 AM  
Any health care > No health care

Next.
 
2012-07-12 10:09:33 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: My wife and I recently went from $1400/month for insurance to $400/month. Same coverage.


I am happy for your extra $12000 a year that you now get to put into the global economy... $1400 a farking month for insurance? Holy motherfarking shiat. I get asked a lot if I ever consider moving to LA for work... I always say no way, especially because of bullshiat like that (also I'm left of the Dems, so I doubt I'd have a good time). It's good the Obamacare is moving the US medical system out of the barbaric capitalist wasteland where inelastic demand commands a huge price, but there's still more work to be done.
 
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