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(USA Today)   Jay Paterno says all his dad wanted was a thorough investigation of Jerry Sandusky and he's been fighting hard for just that these past 15 years   (content.usatoday.com) divider line 72
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2012-07-12 01:59:38 PM

IAmRight: balki1867: I can expect him to ask more questions when somebody tells him he witnessed "something sexual in nature" happening with a ten year old boy in the locker room. It's not like he got an anonymous letter and had no way to learn more about it.

I'm not going to be asking anyone for details about an old guy naked in a shower with a kid. It's kinda creepy that anyone would.

/though I'd be saying "take that sh*t to the cops"


Well it was more than an old guy showering with a kid. Even in the most innocuous version of what Paterno was told, he was told that it was "something sexual in nature." I find it hard to imagine that if someone was being that vague, I wouldn't ask them to be clear about what they saw. That's not creepy unless Paterno is going back and asking to hear the same details over and over again.

Besides, more realistically, Paterno already knew what was up in 1999 when Sandusky retired with emeritus status at a time when he could've gotten an HC job at a number of other D1 programs.

I actually agree with you (based on your other posts) that a lot of others around State College are dumping on JoePa to cover their own inactivity, but I don't think he's any sort of hero for enabling a child molester to preserve his own legacy.
 
2012-07-12 02:18:50 PM

HeathenHealer: Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.


That isn't deflecting blame from Paterno. On the other hand, the obsession with Paterno Paterno Paterno, and nothing but Paterno IS deflecting blame from the well-connected people still in power (Corbett, and other Trustees) and Spanier, Schultz, and Curley.

Paterno is dead. Those other guys are getting away with it.
 
2012-07-12 02:19:56 PM

balki1867: Besides, more realistically, Paterno already knew what was up in 1999 when Sandusky retired with emeritus status at a time when he could've gotten an HC job at a number of other D1 programs.


He was told he wasn't going to be next in line to get an HC position before any molestations that were noted in the report. And it was Spanier's decision to give Sandusky emeritus status (which is pretty much never given to football coaches).

Even if Paterno did try to fight to keep Sandusky on campus (the evidence suggests that they were trying to keep him on without Paterno "forcing" them to), it's still up to people with the actual power (do you think that if the university president went to the board of trustees and mentioned "oh hey, Sandusky's hugging kids while naked in our showers" that all of them would've been "sounds legit to me"?)

I'd say that Paterno, of all the people involved, is probably the least culpable. I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm just saying I understand the desire of an old person who has built up a sh*tton of things not wanting to see it tarnished by something he has no direct evidence of. I don't see where the cops can just say "ah well, he says he showers and hugs boys naked all the time, so clearly there's no problem." I don't see where the university president can give him emeritus status, knowing what he knew. I don't see where the head of the police department feels it's acceptable to make reports disappear.

I'd venture to guess that if Paterno had 100% proof or knew about the recidivism rate of molesters or things like that, he'd have made it a bigger priority. I don't think it's a case like people are making it out to be, like he was Sandusky's Roethlisberger-esque guard, letting Sandusky and the kids into the shower then blocking off the door to make sure no one could interrupt Sandusky. I think it's more likely a case of an old guy confronted with a situation he is completely unprepared for and has no idea how to properly handle, but because he's handled other bad things in-house, he thinks he can handle it, and he thinks he can "fix" Sandusky. Given what we know now, yes, it's unacceptable. But you have to consider it from the standpoint of the person in the situation at the time, knowing only what they "knew."
 
2012-07-12 02:39:42 PM

IAmRight: I'd venture to guess that if Paterno had 100% proof or knew about the recidivism rate of molesters or things like that, he'd have made it a bigger priority. I don't think it's a case like people are making it out to be, like he was Sandusky's Roethlisberger-esque guard, letting Sandusky and the kids into the shower then blocking off the door to make sure no one could interrupt Sandusky. I think it's more likely a case of an old guy confronted with a situation he is completely unprepared for and has no idea how to properly handle, but because he's handled other bad things in-house, he thinks he can handle it, and he thinks he can "fix" Sandusky. Given what we know now, yes, it's unacceptable. But you have to consider it from the standpoint of the person in the situation at the time, knowing only what they "knew."


I actually think we agree a lot. In my debate with my dad (which was the Boobies in this discussion), we basically agreed that JoePa handled this the way it would've been handled 30-40 years ago. I think a younger coach would've realized that these things aren't one time events and this really is a bigger deal. (I actually got flamed on another discussion for suggesting that people are taking turns being more outraged than the last person when talking about punishing JoePa, just to show how anti-molester they are). At the same time, I also felt strongly that its reasonable to expect a coach to be aware of the visibility of a large D1 football program (and the power of the media) today versus 40 years ago.
 
2012-07-12 02:44:37 PM

balki1867: I actually think we agree a lot. In my debate with my dad (which was the Boobies in this discussion), we basically agreed that JoePa handled this the way it would've been handled 30-40 years ago. I think a younger coach would've realized that these things aren't one time events and this really is a bigger deal. (I actually got flamed on another discussion for suggesting that people are taking turns being more outraged than the last person when talking about punishing JoePa, just to show how anti-molester they are). At the same time, I also felt strongly that its reasonable to expect a coach to be aware of the visibility of a large D1 football program (and the power of the media) today versus 40 years ago.


Hahaha, I said Boobies, (I typed f!rst). I didn't think that filter worked like that.
 
2012-07-12 03:04:57 PM

Sliding Carp: HeathenHealer: Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.

That isn't deflecting blame from Paterno. On the other hand, the obsession with Paterno Paterno Paterno, and nothing but Paterno IS deflecting blame from the well-connected people still in power (Corbett, and other Trustees) and Spanier, Schultz, and Curley.

Paterno is dead. Those other guys are getting away with it.


Didn't the report say that the Trustees were kept in the dark? How are they responsible?

Two of those three guys that are still alive (at least) have been charged with crimes for lying to the grand jury. They won't likely be "getting away with it" forever.
 
2012-07-12 03:06:20 PM
FTFA -- "We have never at any time been afraid to see what people have to say. This investigation is one opinion ... one piece of the puzzle. ... We've never been afraid of the truth," Paterno said.

yeah... how did that work out for ya, Jay?
 
2012-07-12 03:54:33 PM
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2012-07-12 04:42:07 PM

srhp29: Sliding Carp: HeathenHealer: Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.

That isn't deflecting blame from Paterno. On the other hand, the obsession with Paterno Paterno Paterno, and nothing but Paterno IS deflecting blame from the well-connected people still in power (Corbett, and other Trustees) and Spanier, Schultz, and Curley.

Paterno is dead. Those other guys are getting away with it.

Didn't the report say that the Trustees were kept in the dark? How are they responsible?

Two of those three guys that are still alive (at least) have been charged with crimes for lying to the grand jury. They won't likely be "getting away with it" forever.


By 'getting away with it' I meant in the court of public opinion, specifically on Fark.com where every discussion seems to assume that Paterno was omniscient and omnipresent, and solely responsible for everything. The release of this report seems to have brought the others into the discussion, which is good.

My complaint about the Trustees is a fairly general one - especially considering the size of the Board, I would bet big money that more than one of them knew that something was going on - at the very least that there were rumors and rumblings about inappropriate behavior and investigations into it. It's just not conceivable to me that every member was in the dark. The report seems to focus on one who WAS in the dark trying to do the right thing, but I suspect there were others wishing it would just go away and willing to do their best to let that happen (or even help it happen). That's only my opinion, though; no evidence, but I've got a lot of experience on college campuses and at least some knowledge of how they are run.

In addition, Corbett was the State Attorney General during 2010, when the grand jury formed and started investigating. He became an ex officio member of the Board in early 2011 when he was inaugurated as Governor. The report is pretty light on his work with the Board in general, but he certainly had serious knowledge of the investigation, gained as AG, throughout 2011. Once the Grand Jury started work, though, maybe it can't really be said there was an actual cover-up anymore.
 
2012-07-12 05:26:41 PM

IAmRight: balki1867: I can expect him to ask more questions when somebody tells him he witnessed "something sexual in nature" happening with a ten year old boy in the locker room. It's not like he got an anonymous letter and had no way to learn more about it.

I'm not going to be asking anyone for details about an old guy naked in a shower with a kid. It's kinda creepy that anyone would.

/though I'd be saying "take that sh*t to the cops"


You gotta be kidding me. You wouldn't ask anyone anything about it, other than to say, "Take that sh*t to the cops." and not get involved because you think it's "creepy?"
 
2012-07-12 05:46:37 PM
'We've never been afraid of the truth'

So are the Paternos also helping OJ find the real killer?
 
2012-07-12 06:33:27 PM

lacydog: From the other thread:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Keep Quiet And Don't Tell Anyone

[i29.photobucket.com image 600x700]

/quick and dirty, obviously


This is a little cleaner for you.

www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-07-12 07:31:45 PM
I remember them saying that he picked off kids that were from socioeconomically deprived backgrounds. Does that mean black? You never hear about a guy molesting a bunch of black kids, is this similar to the abducted white girl thing? I'd Google "juvenile jungle fever" but if I ever go to court for something that I may or may not have done, I wouldn't want that in my history. I wouldn't want it in my history regardless, but y'know, just wondering.
 
2012-07-12 07:37:14 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: I remember them saying that he picked off kids that were from socioeconomically deprived backgrounds. Does that mean black? You never hear about a guy molesting a bunch of black kids, is this similar to the abducted white girl thing? I'd Google "juvenile jungle fever" but if I ever go to court for something that I may or may not have done, I wouldn't want that in my history. I wouldn't want it in my history regardless, but y'know, just wondering.


This is why you use Google Chrome and use "incognito" tabs. Nothing in your history.
 
2012-07-12 07:54:50 PM
Jay Paterno says all his dad wanted was a thorough investigation of Jerry Sandusky and he's been fighting hard for just that these past 15 years

sbrownehr.com
 
2012-07-12 08:03:23 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-07-12 08:18:16 PM

vygramul: lacydog: From the other thread:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Keep Quiet And Don't Tell Anyone

[i29.photobucket.com image 600x700]

/quick and dirty, obviously

This is a little cleaner for you.

[www.bitlogic.com image 600x700]


static.culturemap.com
 
2012-07-13 02:00:12 AM

HeathenHealer: Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.


Millen, wide receiver jokes, Sandusky.
 
2012-07-13 09:11:46 AM

4NTLRZ: You gotta be kidding me. You wouldn't ask anyone anything about it, other than to say, "Take that sh*t to the cops." and not get involved because you think it's "creepy?"


Yup. What good am I going to do that couldn't be done by handing it to the proper authorities?
 
2012-07-13 09:18:38 AM
if only joe paterno had any power or influence in state college, pa, then he could have done something. if only.
 
2012-07-13 10:16:18 AM

IAmRight: Billified: Not that I care about any of these people other than the victims, but I just don't get why Joe Paterno gets hate and Mike McCreary gets a pass.

Not to mention that "several" people saw him showering, hugging, and wrestling naked with boys and none of them reported it in the '90s. We'll ignore that everyone who was a higher-up ignored evidence for years before the one incident Paterno was told about. We'll ignore that the university president was the one who decided to give Sandusky emeritus status when no damn football coaches get emeritus status. All Paterno's fault!


Not apologizing for Paterno or making excuses, but I'd like to correct your assumption and it is clearly written in the report. The first time (the incident in the late 90's (98 I believe)) WAS reported to the police. The DJ for Centre County did NOT prosecute Sandusky, and the charges were dropped even though the child psychologist reported that the actions of Sandusky with the child were consistent with grooming behavior. The DJ disappeared shortly after the case was dropped, and has never been found. To this day I have no idea why the original case was dropped.

In addition, Corbit while AG sat on the case while campaigning for govenor, this all came to light after budget fight over the funding of Penn State:

the Centre County District Attorney forwarded the Sandusky case for handling by Attorney General Corbett in MARCH 2009 - 2.5 years before Sandusky was finally arrested


Everyone failed these kids. It is a shame. There is no excuse for the inaction of all 4 men.
 
2012-07-13 03:47:54 PM

mikaloyd: WE ARE!


Horrified!
 
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