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(USA Today)   Jay Paterno says all his dad wanted was a thorough investigation of Jerry Sandusky and he's been fighting hard for just that these past 15 years   (content.usatoday.com) divider line 72
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2012-07-12 09:54:05 AM
 
2012-07-12 09:55:12 AM
So Jay Paterno also knew about this for years and didn't tell anybody?
 
2012-07-12 09:55:25 AM
Only thing that was hard was Sandusky when he was around little boys.
 
2012-07-12 09:56:04 AM
Joe Pa is in hell for this.
 
2012-07-12 09:56:39 AM
FTFA: "We have never at any time been afraid to see what people have to say. This investigation is one opinion ... one piece of the puzzle. ... We've never been afraid of the truth," Paterno said.

Nice - "one opinion." Your father was a child-rape-enabling scumbag. I understand it's difficult to accept that, but here's the truth.

"Four of the most powerful people at The Pennsylvania State University - President Graham B. Spanier, Senior Vice President-Finance and Business Gary C. Schultz, Athletic Director Timothy M. Curley and Head Football Coach Joseph V. Paterno - failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade."

"These men concealed Sandusky's activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities. They exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky's victims by failing to inquire as to their safety and well-being, especially by not attempting to determine the identity of the child who Sandusky assaulted in the Lasch Building in 2001. ...


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[Updated at 9:21 a.m. ET] The top leadership at Penn State University - including then-President Graham Spanier and then-head football coach Joe Paterno - concealed Sandusky's activities from the public and the university community to "avoid the consequences of bad publicity," according to the internal review.

[Updated at 9:15 a.m. ET] Louis Freeh, the former FBI director who led the Penn State-funded probe, said Thursday that former athletic director Tim Curley consulted with former head coach Joe Paterno following sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky and "they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities."
 
2012-07-12 09:56:59 AM
Penn state football does for young boys what Jonestown did for powdered fruit drinks.
 
2012-07-12 09:58:10 AM
i568.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-12 10:00:13 AM
"Four of the most powerful people at The Pennsylvania State University - President Graham B. Spanier, Senior Vice President-Finance and Business Gary C. Schultz, Athletic Director Timothy M. Curley and Head Football Coach Joseph V. Paterno - failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade. These men concealed Sandusky's activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities. They exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky's victims by failing to inquire as to their safety and well-being, especially by not attempting to determine the identity of the child who Sandusky assaulted in the Lasch Building in 2001. Further, they exposed this child to additional harm by alerting Sandusky, who was the only one who knew the child's identity, of what McQueary saw in the shower on the night of February 9, 2001.

These individuals, unchecked by the Board of Trustees that did not perform its oversight duties, empowered Sandusky to attract potential victims to the campus and football events by allowing him to have continued, unrestricted and unsupervised access to the University's facilities and affiliation with the University's prominent football program. Indeed, that continued access provided Sandusky with the very currency that enabled him to attract his victims. Some coaches, administrators and football program staff members ignored the red flags of Sandusky's behaviors and no one warned the public about him."


Enjoy hell, Paterno.
 
2012-07-12 10:02:17 AM
This investigation is one opinion.

Really?
 
2012-07-12 10:04:18 AM
Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.
 
2012-07-12 10:04:29 AM

Yanks_RSJ: These individuals, unchecked by the Board of Trustees that did not perform its oversight duties,


The report is kind of savaging the Board of Trustees as well. I can't recall, were there significant changes to that board before Freeh was brought in to do the investigation?
 
2012-07-12 10:05:25 AM
It's a good thing Penn State's Broad of Trustees created this event so that no one else looks for blame outside of the three fired guys and the dead guy. I'm sure the Second Mile Charity was a wholesome institution, funded by local millionaires, and had no evil things going on then.
 
2012-07-12 10:05:56 AM

HeathenHealer: Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.


Are you shiatting me? They're still trying to excuse him on this?

It could not be more plain that JoePa's main concern was protecting the university, just like all the others.
 
2012-07-12 10:07:29 AM
It's good that the report is sharing the blame not only with the four pieces of crap in charge at the university, but the board of trustees that was happy to let them call all the shots and never exercised any oversight.
 
2012-07-12 10:08:01 AM
WE ARE!
 
2012-07-12 10:08:28 AM

jayhawk88: HeathenHealer: Can't believe i'm watching Matt Millen STILL trying to deflect blame from Paterno by saying "it was extremely poor leadership from the top". A-hole.

Fark you Paterno, glad your precious football program enjoyed a few more years of success. It only cost some more poor kids getting raped. Seems like a fair trade.

Are you shiatting me? They're still trying to excuse him on this?

It could not be more plain that JoePa's main concern was protecting the university, just like all the others.


Yeah, Millen was on ESPN being interviewed. Essentially he was using the tired "JoePa wasn't the school President, don't blame him" excuse. It was seriously disgusting to watch.
 
2012-07-12 10:14:11 AM
Oh, here's a gem from the Timeline section of the report:

Feb 11, 2011
- Paterno reports the incident to Curley and Schultz on Sunday, Feb 11 as Paterno did not "want to interfere with their weekends.

Maybe we already knew that from the trials and such, but that was a new one on me.
 
2012-07-12 10:21:31 AM
Where's your god now, Paterno apologists?
 
2012-07-12 10:33:34 AM

HeathenHealer:
Yeah, Millen was on ESPN being interviewed. Essentially he was using the tired "JoePa wasn't the school President, don't blame him" excuse. It was seriously disgusting to watch.


Are you serious? That's barely a step below the Nuremberg defense.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:54 AM

HeathenHealer: Yeah, Millen was on ESPN being interviewed. Essentially he was using the tired "JoePa wasn't the school President, don't blame him" excuse. It was seriously disgusting to watch.


Well and the funny thing is, technically this is correct. It's wasn't JoePa's job to do anything here, outside of maybe making sure Sandusky wasn't hanging around the program any longer. I mean, we all know the "It's JoePa's university", and there's merit to that, but yes, it was the school presidents job, ultimately, to contact the authorities and handle this situation.

But we're beyond that with this report now. It's made clear in black and white that JoePa knew about the cover up and was a willing participant in it. It's not a question of who's job it was any longer, JoePa was in on it. Period, end of line.
 
2012-07-12 10:52:58 AM

jayhawk88: HeathenHealer: Yeah, Millen was on ESPN being interviewed. Essentially he was using the tired "JoePa wasn't the school President, don't blame him" excuse. It was seriously disgusting to watch.

Well and the funny thing is, technically this is correct. It's wasn't JoePa's job to do anything here, outside of maybe making sure Sandusky wasn't hanging around the program any longer. I mean, we all know the "It's JoePa's university", and there's merit to that, but yes, it was the school presidents job, ultimately, to contact the authorities and handle this situation.

But we're beyond that with this report now. It's made clear in black and white that JoePa knew about the cover up and was a willing participant in it. It's not a question of who's job it was any longer, JoePa was in on it. Period, end of line.


If you become aware someone's farking children, my opinion is that its your job to tell the police regardless of who you are or what your occupation is.
 
2012-07-12 10:54:55 AM
Why does McCreary get a pass? He saw it with his own eyes. He didn't stop it. He didn't follow up on it after telling Joe Paterno. He knew as well as anyone Sandusky was still running around campus. To the best of our knowledge Paterno was never an eyewitness. His testimony wouldn't have been allowed in court as it was second hand information. He had no investigative authority. At best he could have told the campus police or the state police that someone told him they saw something.
Not that I care about any of these people other than the victims, but I just don't get why Joe Paterno gets hate and Mike McCreary gets a pass.
 
2012-07-12 11:01:13 AM
Actual report

Yeah, there were reports of the dude giving out naked bear hugs to kids after convincing them to get in the shower with him that were given to police and state agents before Paterno even knew, and no one did anything.

Maybe if the state agencies in charge of investigating weren't receiving money from charity, the other incident might never happen.
 
2012-07-12 11:03:31 AM

Billified: Not that I care about any of these people other than the victims, but I just don't get why Joe Paterno gets hate and Mike McCreary gets a pass.


Not to mention that "several" people saw him showering, hugging, and wrestling naked with boys and none of them reported it in the '90s. We'll ignore that everyone who was a higher-up ignored evidence for years before the one incident Paterno was told about. We'll ignore that the university president was the one who decided to give Sandusky emeritus status when no damn football coaches get emeritus status. All Paterno's fault!
 
2012-07-12 11:06:43 AM

IAmRight: Billified: Not that I care about any of these people other than the victims, but I just don't get why Joe Paterno gets hate and Mike McCreary gets a pass.

Not to mention that "several" people saw him showering, hugging, and wrestling naked with boys and none of them reported it in the '90s. We'll ignore that everyone who was a higher-up ignored evidence for years before the one incident Paterno was told about. We'll ignore that the university president was the one who decided to give Sandusky emeritus status when no damn football coaches get emeritus status. All Paterno's fault!


JoePa's the figurehead and he's going to get all the media attention of course...plus he's dead...but come on. Pretty black and white at this point he was in this as deep as anyone else there.
 
2012-07-12 11:18:29 AM

Billified: Why does McCreary get a pass? He saw it with his own eyes. He didn't stop it. He didn't follow up on it after telling Joe Paterno. He knew as well as anyone Sandusky was still running around campus. To the best of our knowledge Paterno was never an eyewitness. His testimony wouldn't have been allowed in court as it was second hand information. He had no investigative authority. At best he could have told the campus police or the state police that someone told him they saw something.
Not that I care about any of these people other than the victims, but I just don't get why Joe Paterno gets hate and Mike McCreary gets a pass.


Report suggests (see page 67) McCreary was hired on as a full time staffer to repay him for his silence. He'll get his, just after the bigger fish all get fried.

Actually if he's smart, he'll testify against everyone and walk away with his reputation gone and no future coaching career (but no criminal charges in exchange for testimony).
 
2012-07-12 11:31:02 AM

jayhawk88: JoePa's the figurehead and he's going to get all the media attention of course...plus he's dead...but come on. Pretty black and white at this point he was in this as deep as anyone else there.


Well, he wasn't really as deep, since it should've been over before he ever knew about any incidents. When the state and the cops know a dude is hugging boys naked and no one bothers to so much as have him step down from running a children's charity, and not because of any pressure from the football program that anyone has reported on...well, c'mon. You have several eyewitnesses. You have actual people that got molested telling cops their story directly. And you STILL didn't do anything. And yet everyone's going out of their way to put the most blame on a guy who heard a secondhand account and seemed to maybe talk someone out of doing something.

I mean, that's bad, but everyone else comes out way worse than Paterno. Oh, and I like when everyone else makes people out to be monsters because it makes them feel better about themselves and they refuse to deal with the idea that they've probably seen "signs" of illegal activity and not reported any of it, despite knowing that it meant a criminal was free to go and commit more crimes.
 
2012-07-12 11:38:03 AM
I think times about up for anyone outside of his immediate family caring what Jay Paterno thinks.
 
2012-07-12 11:40:09 AM

IAmRight: jayhawk88: JoePa's the figurehead and he's going to get all the media attention of course...plus he's dead...but come on. Pretty black and white at this point he was in this as deep as anyone else there.

Well, he wasn't really as deep, since it should've been over before he ever knew about any incidents. When the state and the cops know a dude is hugging boys naked and no one bothers to so much as have him step down from running a children's charity, and not because of any pressure from the football program that anyone has reported on...well, c'mon. You have several eyewitnesses. You have actual people that got molested telling cops their story directly. And you STILL didn't do anything. And yet everyone's going out of their way to put the most blame on a guy who heard a secondhand account and seemed to maybe talk someone out of doing something.

I mean, that's bad, but everyone else comes out way worse than Paterno. Oh, and I like when everyone else makes people out to be monsters because it makes them feel better about themselves and they refuse to deal with the idea that they've probably seen "signs" of illegal activity and not reported any of it, despite knowing that it meant a criminal was free to go and commit more crimes.


Keep farking that chicken. Why are you so invested in defending this scumbag? Your idol is dead. Literally and figuratively. You look like a fool.
 
2012-07-12 11:42:43 AM

Pyro Messiah: Why are you so invested in defending this scumbag?


Because you provide him attention when he does it.
 
2012-07-12 11:44:37 AM
Curious timing how this story only really broke after Joe Pa got the record.

Sheer coincidence, though, right?

/fu jay
 
2012-07-12 12:08:13 PM

Pyro Messiah: Keep farking that chicken. Why are you so invested in defending this scumbag? Your idol is dead. Literally and figuratively. You look like a fool.


I'm not, I just have little interest in watching a bunch of liars and hypocrites go demonize people for being human and not believing negative things about friends, or believing that their friends might've made mistakes, but they weren't that bad and they can stop.
 
2012-07-12 12:43:01 PM
IAmRight: I'm not, I just have little interest in watching a bunch of liars and hypocrites go demonize people for being human and not believing negative things about friends, or believing that their friends might've made mistakes, but they weren't that bad and they can stop

Better a liar and hypocrite than a smarmy, amoral apologist like you. "..for being human"? You have the farking nerve to lecture us about demonizing people when the PSU scumbags knew kids were being raped for over a decade and did nothing?

I want you to give me your bank account information and the bank info of all your family and friends. I'm then going to go on a massive drug and booze and sex spree, one that will make rock stars look at me in awe. If you biatch about my dissolute ways, I'll just say "I can stop". It doesn't matter if it takes a decade + like from the first time people at PSU were aware Sandusky was a boy diddler to the time the whole thing blew up, if I keep saying "I can change" before finally crashing and burning out, I want the damn money.

Deal?
 
2012-07-12 12:49:00 PM

jayhawk88: Oh, here's a gem from the Timeline section of the report:

Feb 11, 2011
- Paterno reports the incident to Curley and Schultz on Sunday, Feb 11 as Paterno did not "want to interfere with their weekends.

Maybe we already knew that from the trials and such, but that was a new one on me.


Its kind of amazing Jo Pa didnt wait until the 15th so Sandusky could have a nice romantic Valentines day as well as a sexy weekend with the boys.
 
2012-07-12 12:52:38 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: I think times about up for anyone outside of his immediate family caring what Jay Paterno thinks.


I really admaired him as the last non-mercenary football coach, and his image as a man who cared about his players and his insistence that they actually earn their degrees. Now I can't speak his name. I deny him.
 
2012-07-12 12:54:58 PM

Henry Holland: knew kids were being raped for over a decade and did nothing?


They didn't necessarily KNOW know. They know now, but secondhand "I think I saw..." stories about something like that isn't really something you say "I know you did this" over.

Henry Holland: I want you to give me your bank account information and the bank info of all your family and friends. I'm then going to go on a massive drug and booze and sex spree, one that will make rock stars look at me in awe. If you biatch about my dissolute ways, I'll just say "I can stop".


Nah, you can do all that stuff without my money.
 
2012-07-12 01:00:16 PM

jayhawk88: It's wasn't JoePa's job to do anything here, outside of maybe making sure Sandusky wasn't hanging around the program any longer.


It wasn't his "job" but it was his moral obligation.
 
2012-07-12 01:03:24 PM

IAmRight: I mean, that's bad, but everyone else comes out way worse than Paterno.


So he wasn't as bad as some others? So what? He is still a sack of shiat who put the program above all and I hope he rots in hell.
 
2012-07-12 01:04:30 PM

jst3p: I hope he rots in hell.


Which is weird because if you're anything like most Farkers, you don't believe in hell.
 
2012-07-12 01:18:33 PM
Jay's right. Don't blame Joe. He was going to get right on the Sandusky thing once he found the real killers.
 
2012-07-12 01:24:26 PM
I had this debate with my Dad a few months ago who defended JoePa saying that as a manager he would absolutely take this to HR and let them deal with it. My essential point is that is completely unrealistic to just talk about JoePa like some random middle manager in a company.

If you really believe that JoePa was this great man and a leader who molded young men's lives positively and always did the right thing, then you should reasonably expect him to behave that way in every situation.

If you really believe that JoePa was just some random guy that coached some football games, then why is there a statue of the man outside of Beaver Stadium?

I don't think you can have it both ways.

It's a shame too because I respected the hell out of him.
 
2012-07-12 01:28:00 PM
From the other thread:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Keep Quiet And Don't Tell Anyone


i29.photobucket.com

/quick and dirty, obviously
 
2012-07-12 01:33:34 PM

balki1867: If you really believe that JoePa was this great man and a leader who molded young men's lives positively and always did the right thing, then you should reasonably expect him to behave that way in every situation.


Yes, it's reasonable to expect someone to be omniscient and always not only know the right thing, but know precisely what has happened and the extent of everyone's crimes. That's reasonable.
 
2012-07-12 01:36:20 PM

IAmRight: balki1867: If you really believe that JoePa was this great man and a leader who molded young men's lives positively and always did the right thing, then you should reasonably expect him to behave that way in every situation.

Yes, it's reasonable to expect someone to be omniscient and always not only know the right thing, but know precisely what has happened and the extent of everyone's crimes. That's reasonable.


I can expect him to ask more questions when somebody tells him he witnessed "something sexual in nature" happening with a ten year old boy in the locker room. It's not like he got an anonymous letter and had no way to learn more about it.
 
2012-07-12 01:37:38 PM

balki1867: My essential point is that is completely unrealistic to just talk about JoePa like some random middle manager in a company.


Middle managers don't get statues that their bosses walk past every single morning. End of story.
 
2012-07-12 01:38:30 PM

Flappyhead: HeathenHealer:
Yeah, Millen was on ESPN being interviewed. Essentially he was using the tired "JoePa wasn't the school President, don't blame him" excuse. It was seriously disgusting to watch.

Are you serious? That's barely a step below the Nuremberg defense.


I was actually watching Millen on ESPN, and it was interesting. He sort of went back and forth between damning Paterno and doing the "let's keep in mind that he did a lot of GOOD things" routine. It's like he was still trying to wrap his brain around this all. I think we have to remember that Matt Millen is a donor to the Second Mile, he's really entrenched in the culture of Penn State, and considers Paterno a father figure. Expecting him, or Paterno's kids, to come out and say "yeah, the guy's a scumbag" is probably asking too much. They're handling this as human beings can. I'm not saying they deserve sympathy, but I think anyone that would go through a similar thing with someone so close to them would have similar convoluted opinions.

The issue is that the Paternos and Matt Millens of the world really shouldn't be anywhere near a microphone right now. There is nothing that they can say to make things better, they are in a position where they can only embarrass themselves and make people even angrier. But there's a public interest in what they have to say, so ESPN will run the Millen interview and the quote from the Paterno household as many times as they can.
 
2012-07-12 01:41:01 PM

lacydog: The issue is that the Paternos and Matt Millens of the world really shouldn't be anywhere near a microphone right now. There is nothing that they can say to make things better, they are in a position where they can only embarrass themselves and make people even angrier


That, and Joe Paterno had about five decades during which nobody said a bad thing about him. I think it's pretty fair at this point to focus solely on the negative.
 
2012-07-12 01:43:29 PM

Yanks_RSJ: balki1867: My essential point is that is completely unrealistic to just talk about JoePa like some random middle manager in a company.

Middle managers don't get statues that their bosses walk past every single morning. End of story.


I am thinking that statue may be coming down in the not too distant future...as it should...

Nike is already acting to get Paterno's name removed from a child care center in Oregon...No truth to the rumor it will replace Paterno's name with Sandusky (he really cares about kids).

Link
 
2012-07-12 01:43:56 PM

balki1867: I can expect him to ask more questions when somebody tells him he witnessed "something sexual in nature" happening with a ten year old boy in the locker room. It's not like he got an anonymous letter and had no way to learn more about it.


I'm not going to be asking anyone for details about an old guy naked in a shower with a kid. It's kinda creepy that anyone would.

/though I'd be saying "take that sh*t to the cops"
 
2012-07-12 01:49:21 PM

Yanks_RSJ: lacydog: The issue is that the Paternos and Matt Millens of the world really shouldn't be anywhere near a microphone right now. There is nothing that they can say to make things better, they are in a position where they can only embarrass themselves and make people even angrier

That, and Joe Paterno had about five decades during which nobody said a bad thing about him. I think it's pretty fair at this point to focus solely on the negative.


Well, right. But I was talking more about what's to be thought about Millen's interview. No outsider is going to look at what's going on and say "man... but think of how much good Joe Paterno did". That's clearly the thought process of someone who holds JoePa in an almost unrealistically high regard. Everyone on the outside wants to focus on the negative, and figure out just how much they should be outraged (spoilers: a lot). To expect someone so close to JoePa to do anything but try to offer some feeble attempts to defend him is just silly.

It's like when the media shoves a microphone in the faces of parents whose kids go on shooting sprees. What do you expect them to say? "That little shiat was awful, and I hope he burns in hell for what he's done"? I just don't see what's to be gained from all of that.
 
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