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2012-07-12 02:30:40 PM
Silly Jesus: Shrugging Atlas: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

Try this instead: He received 95% of the black vote in 2008, so there's an established historical precedent that allows one to conclude his support among that group of individuals will be extremely high in 2012. That conclusion is based off the fact nothing has really occured to alter that dynamic and either disuade them from voting for Obama or to persuade them to vote for Romeny.

In addition, John Kerry received 88% of the black vote in the 2004 election. In 2000 Gore received 90%. This establishes a pattern of blacks massively supporting the Democratic Candidate regardless of race.

Now, go be stupid elsewhere.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

I suppose I was (incorrectly) making my assumptions based on ample personal anecdotes.


you have ample personal experience with NAACP members voting for black candidates because of their skin color?
 
2012-07-12 02:32:12 PM
TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.
 
2012-07-12 02:40:55 PM
coeyagi: pubic nectar clownsizing

[weirdest_boner.jpg]
 
2012-07-12 02:48:12 PM
Biden will do more than a decent job.

Nontroversy is non.
 
2012-07-12 02:49:30 PM
NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.


"I could go on but that would be preaching to the choir" was very apropos.
 
2012-07-12 02:50:18 PM
NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.


Which he does well. He's not an orator or speechwriter (and doesn't have much taste for speechwriters), so he doesn't 'read' particularly special on a transcript. But he kills on the delivery and at punctuating with body language, especially when he's in a groove. Like that speech to the troops a few weeks back...the ad-libbing reads on a transcript like's he's stammering in spots. But it hit like an emotional ton of bricks on the audio/video. Same for the knockout-blow retort to Palin in the VP debate re: parenting.

Streak shooter in basketball...that's the metaphor here. Well-managed, Coach (Obama) gets best use out of him by having a feel for when Biden's got the touch and inserting him into the game when he's shooting lights-out and raising the roof. And keeping him pried to the bench when he'd otherwise be heaving brick city. Coach has been almost flawless this season at managing his bench shooter's minutes, and that's why "RELEASE THE BIDEN" has been gaining traction over "gaffe-prone" as the entrenched Biden meme during the campaign. Give Obama some credit for knowing his players down cold...paired with a different Prez., Biden might not've been managed nearly as effectively.
 
2012-07-12 02:53:26 PM
NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.


I usually take that to mean no substance. I'm to old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass.
 
2012-07-12 02:59:13 PM
TheHappTroll: NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.

I usually take that to mean no substance. I'm to old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass.


Unlike the Romney stump speeches, Biden had lots of specifics.
 
2012-07-12 03:03:03 PM
TheHappTroll: NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.

I usually take that to mean no substance. I'm to old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass.


This is one of the few speeches that has both. He has the enthusiasm of the cheerleaders, but also takes time to give very specific examples of what he's done, what he wants to do, and what the other side wants to do. He didn't pull any punches, but I also feel like he didn't take needless swipes either.

Unlike the GOP, Biden has no problem saying "My opponent is a nice guy and a family man. We just have a different vision of what needs to be done."
 
2012-07-12 03:03:09 PM
max_pooper: TheHappTroll: NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.

I usually take that to mean no substance. I'm to old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass.

Unlike the Romney stump speeches, Biden had lots of specifics.


Haven't seen the Romney one either. But if that's true I'll just skip it.
 
2012-07-12 03:06:11 PM
TheHappTroll: max_pooper: TheHappTroll: NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.

I usually take that to mean no substance. I'm to old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass.

Unlike the Romney stump speeches, Biden had lots of specifics.

Haven't seen the Romney one either. But if that's true I'll just skip it.


Can't be bothered to participate, eh? Well, I'm sure there's something interesting on television.
 
2012-07-12 03:06:47 PM
TheHappTroll: max_pooper: TheHappTroll: NeoCortex42: TheHappTroll: Anybody found a transcript? I can't watch politicians speak, something about their mouths moving.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Biden's speech is really worth watching at least a few clips of. It's not just what he says, but how he says it. He wasn't so much "speaking" as "preaching" up there. It was a lot more energetic than most political speeches of watched.

I usually take that to mean no substance. I'm to old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass.

Unlike the Romney stump speeches, Biden had lots of specifics.

Haven't seen the Romney one either. But if that's true I'll just skip it.


The Romney one is the same speech you have seen countless clips of in the normal news cycle: Obama bad, ObamaCare needs to be repealed, etc. The only thing different about this one was the audience reactions since he wasn't speaking to supporters.
 
2012-07-12 03:07:43 PM
LargeCanine: downstairs: So he has better things to do like being the friggin' President of the United States of America?

Golfing, perhaps.


This talking point is busted for anyone carrying a USGA handicap who has bothered to look Boehner up on GHIN.

Dude plays a lot of golf, and plays it very well too
 
2012-07-12 03:09:32 PM
Even if he wanted to come he would be diverted due to weather today. We're flooding all over. My hospital is right near a creek which has overflowed its banks. 13" since midnight, and it's still raining.
 
2012-07-12 03:10:36 PM
92myrtle: But he kills on the delivery and at punctuating with body language, especially when he's in a groove.



oi49.tinypic.com

Where's my groove? Where's my groove? There it is!
 
2012-07-12 03:24:52 PM
Headso: Silly Jesus: Shrugging Atlas: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

Try this instead: He received 95% of the black vote in 2008, so there's an established historical precedent that allows one to conclude his support among that group of individuals will be extremely high in 2012. That conclusion is based off the fact nothing has really occured to alter that dynamic and either disuade them from voting for Obama or to persuade them to vote for Romeny.

In addition, John Kerry received 88% of the black vote in the 2004 election. In 2000 Gore received 90%. This establishes a pattern of blacks massively supporting the Democratic Candidate regardless of race.

Now, go be stupid elsewhere.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

I suppose I was (incorrectly) making my assumptions based on ample personal anecdotes.

you have ample personal experience with NAACP members voting for black candidates because of their skin color?


Not all NAACP members, no. But, all of my black co-workers and acquaintances very proudly voted for him solely for that reason without knowing anything about his policies (I asked). He could have been pro-slavery and they would have still voted for him and worn t-shirts / hats / be-dazzled jeans emblazoned with his image because they knew nothing about him other than what he looked like.

Also, for most, it was the first, and likely last (the excitement has worn off), time that they voted.
 
2012-07-12 03:27:52 PM
coeyagi: Brick-House: Send Biden when you don't want to explain this...

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 475x300]

You used that yesterday. You know what is causing this? Can you guess?

Hint: it rhymes with pubic nectar clownsizing. You know, what the GOP claims Obama SHOULD do but isn't (even though, he is).


Cubic vector crownsizing??
 
2012-07-12 03:57:31 PM
max_pooper: dodecahedron: Biden kicked ASS. he needs to do this everywhere, in exactly the same way.

I have to agree. Biden was spot on with his criticisms of Romney and the GOP. I do like how he kept repeating "Governor Romney and his Republican allies." It really hammered home how much Romney, despite a moderate to liberal record in Massachusetts, is fellatiating the extreme right.


Agreed and the spin from the right about this is pathetic. I think they have to really emphasize that it's important not only to elect Obama but to elect democrats to Congress. A lot of younger people blow off the Congressional elections because they don't understand why they are important. This wasn't a young audience, but I don't think it hurts to reinforce this wherever they go.
 
2012-07-12 04:00:09 PM
Silly Jesus: Shrugging Atlas: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

Try this instead: He received 95% of the black vote in 2008, so there's an established historical precedent that allows one to conclude his support among that group of individuals will be extremely high in 2012. That conclusion is based off the fact nothing has really occured to alter that dynamic and either disuade them from voting for Obama or to persuade them to vote for Romeny.

In addition, John Kerry received 88% of the black vote in the 2004 election. In 2000 Gore received 90%. This establishes a pattern of blacks massively supporting the Democratic Candidate regardless of race.

Now, go be stupid elsewhere.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

I suppose I was (incorrectly) making my assumptions based on ample personal anecdotes.


WTF? Changing your opinion? Thanking someone? Taking an introspective look at why you hold the beliefs you hold? Do you know where you are? Are you lost?

Am I lost? Where am I? Who is cloud? When doesn't blue?

/somebody hold me...
 
2012-07-12 04:01:05 PM
Vintowin: coeyagi: Brick-House: Send Biden when you don't want to explain this...

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 475x300]

You used that yesterday. You know what is causing this? Can you guess?

Hint: it rhymes with pubic nectar clownsizing. You know, what the GOP claims Obama SHOULD do but isn't (even though, he is).

Cubic vector crownsizing??


Rubric lecture downsizing?
 
2012-07-12 04:03:30 PM
BeesNuts: Vintowin: coeyagi: Brick-House: Send Biden when you don't want to explain this...

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 475x300]

You used that yesterday. You know what is causing this? Can you guess?

Hint: it rhymes with pubic nectar clownsizing. You know, what the GOP claims Obama SHOULD do but isn't (even though, he is).

Cubic vector crownsizing??

Rubric lecture downsizing?


Kubrick Darfur Supersizing?
 
2012-07-12 04:18:31 PM
coeyagi: HellRaisingHoosier: Does anyone REALLY expect President Obama to not get the black vote?
Dude is running the United States of America ... he may actually have something better to do right now then pander to those prejudice folks at the NAACP.

He could be going after any other of those other prejudicial groups that self-identify in their acronym. My vote: The Catholic League of America!




Don't you hate when "America" gets slapped on shiatty organizations? We need to trademark our name.....

*shakes fist at Bank of America and American Family Association*
 
2012-07-12 04:49:38 PM
brigid_fitch: I love this new "controversy" the media and the right-wing are now flogging: Why isn't the president addressing the NAACP? What does it mean? Does he not care about their vote? And, unspoken, is the underlying question of why isn't the black president addressing other blacks?

Obama got 95% of the African American vote in 2008. I don't think they're going to suddenly switch parties because Biden's showing up instead.


More so, if he had gone, then we would hear the whackadoodles pissing and moaning about how Obama and black Americans are voting against white interests and his visit just proves that.

He did the right thing, but sending his number one representative, a white man, to address the NAACP. It shows that the entire administration is committed to engendering the support of African Americans and prevents the whackadoodles from being able to fellate their race war fantasies.
 
2012-07-12 04:51:31 PM
Dwight_Yeast: Dusk-You-n-Me: Biden is hammering the GOP in this speech.

It's one of the smart things they've done: Biden is always the attack dog, which leaves Obama's hands clean.

And really, after the speech at the Apollo where he sang Al Green, was there anything Obama needed to say to the black community?


Exactly...
 
2012-07-12 05:10:01 PM
dennysgod: RELEASE

farm9.staticflickr.com

Q&D
 
2012-07-12 05:11:09 PM
Joe Biden is the "new black".
 
2012-07-12 05:14:57 PM
butterchik: incendi: Anybody got a full vid link? I love me some Biden action.

Biden NAACP Speech

I can't find a transcript yet.

[Link]


TYVM.

*click*

Oh, my.

Freaking nailed it.

I mean, man, I knew he'd be preaching to choir and all but I really didn't expect such a fiery sermon.

He's really on top of his game.

And this is the guy the corporate media have declared a gaffe machine?

[orly]

Yeah, good luck to whatever fool the GOP get to meet him in the Veep debate.

/Who the heck is Mouse?
 
2012-07-12 05:19:05 PM
I'm too old for cheerleaders. If he doesn't say anything specific I'll probably pass

They say if you want a Republican to win an argument let him talk for 30 seconds and if you want a Democrat to win an argument let him talk for 30 minutes.

Speech clip is 30 minutes 31 seconds.

Joe wins the argument.

With specifics.
 
2012-07-12 05:30:14 PM
Shrugging Atlas: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

Try this instead: He received 95% of the black vote in 2008, so there's an established historical precedent that allows one to conclude his support among that group of individuals will be extremely high in 2012. That conclusion is based off the fact nothing has really occured to alter that dynamic and either disuade them from voting for Obama or to persuade them to vote for Romeny.

In addition, John Kerry received 88% of the black vote in the 2004 election. In 2000 Gore received 90%. This establishes a pattern of blacks massively supporting the Democratic Candidate regardless of race.

Now, go be stupid elsewhere.


Sheesh, so much this. Like it or not, blacks vote democratic. Have for a very, very long time.
 
2012-07-12 05:54:15 PM
quatchi: They say if you want a Republican to win an argument let him talk for 30 seconds and if you want a Democrat to win an argument let him talk for 30 minutes.

Unfortunately, I'm betting that the format for the debates is going to be "something something something, blah blah, plus each candidate will be allowed 30 seconds for a rebuttal."

Fortunately, I'm pretty sure both Obama and Biden can actually win 30 second arguments just as well as 30 minute arguments.
 
2012-07-12 06:03:39 PM
incendi: quatchi: They say if you want a Republican to win an argument let him talk for 30 seconds and if you want a Democrat to win an argument let him talk for 30 minutes.

Unfortunately, I'm betting that the format for the debates is going to be "something something something, blah blah, plus each candidate will be allowed 30 seconds for a rebuttal."

Fortunately, I'm pretty sure both Obama and Biden can actually win 30 second arguments just as well as 30 minute arguments.


Joe Biden and Barack Obama are much more intelligent than Governor Romney with a much better speaking style. Romney and his running mate to be named later will likely get smoked in the debates.
 
2012-07-12 06:05:27 PM
MindStalker: Dusk-You-n-Me: Link

Missed it, can anyone find a video of the full speech?


Biden: "The GOP is eeeeeeevil." (Thunderous applause) But we totally got your back, forevs!" (Thunderous applause)

You're welcome.
 
2012-07-12 06:19:07 PM
Silly Jesus: Headso: Silly Jesus: Shrugging Atlas: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

Try this instead: He received 95% of the black vote in 2008, so there's an established historical precedent that allows one to conclude his support among that group of individuals will be extremely high in 2012. That conclusion is based off the fact nothing has really occured to alter that dynamic and either disuade them from voting for Obama or to persuade them to vote for Romeny.

In addition, John Kerry received 88% of the black vote in the 2004 election. In 2000 Gore received 90%. This establishes a pattern of blacks massively supporting the Democratic Candidate regardless of race.

Now, go be stupid elsewhere.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

I suppose I was (incorrectly) making my assumptions based on ample personal anecdotes.

you have ample personal experience with NAACP members voting for black candidates because of their skin color?

Not all NAACP members, no. But, all of my black co-workers and acquaintances very proudly voted for him solely for that reason without knowing anything about his policies (I asked). He could have been pro-slavery and they would have still voted for him and worn t-shirts / hats / be-dazzled jeans emblazoned with his image because they knew nothing about him other than what he looked like.

Also, for most, it was the first, and likely last (the excitement has worn off), time that they voted.


"The plural of anecdote is data."
 
2012-07-12 06:28:36 PM
Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

That's why Jesse Jackson did so well when he ran for President.

Oh, he didn't?
 
2012-07-12 06:30:03 PM
Pandering to the base is a Republican gimmick. Dems are all about winning swing voters.
 
2012-07-12 06:43:50 PM
Without Fail: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

That's why Jesse Jackson did so well when he ran for President.

Oh, he didn't?


I wasn't aware that he was selected as the candidate.
 
2012-07-12 06:47:17 PM
Ooh, I can't wait to watch this. Thanks for the link, whoever in the thread it was that posted the recorded video.

I don't think it's possible to dislike Biden.
 
2012-07-12 07:04:45 PM
brigid_fitch: I love this new "controversy" the media and the right-wing are now flogging: Why isn't the president addressing the NAACP? What does it mean? Does he not care about their vote? And, unspoken, is the underlying question of why isn't the black president addressing other blacks?

Obama got 95% of the African American vote in 2008. I don't think they're going to suddenly switch parties because Biden's showing up instead.


They should not be attacking the President's stance re the NAACP after that august organization booed their own candidate, you know?
 
2012-07-12 09:08:53 PM
Silly Jesus: Without Fail: Silly Jesus: It appears that Farkers are actually admitting that NAACP members just might be voting based upon skin color. Am I getting the general feel of the thread right? Isn't this possibility usually vehemently denied?

That's why Jesse Jackson did so well when he ran for President.

Oh, he didn't?

I wasn't aware that he was selected as the candidate.
When a white dem get 95% of the black vote its cause he is a Democrat. When a black dem gets it its because he is black.
Gotcha.
 
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