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(FactCheck)   The last time US taxes were lower than today post-it notes didn't exist, Three Mile Island was working perfectly and there was a peanut farmer in the White House   (factcheck.org ) divider line
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2012-07-12 09:22:26 AM  
And we are blaming Bush again !!!
 
2012-07-12 10:21:53 AM  

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!


Yeah, but but but 47% of the country pays NO taxes (omission of other adjectives intended) and the wealthy pay too much!
 
2012-07-12 10:23:13 AM  
Jimmy Carter ran a small business where he grew peanuts and sold them for a profit. What a maroon!

/strangest criticism
 
2012-07-12 10:23:16 AM  
You mean to tell me that the Democrats caved to Republican's "GOVERNMENT BAD CUT ALL TAXES" then get blamed when the shiat doesn't work?
 
2012-07-12 10:23:24 AM  
We should just get rid of taxes.

For freedom.
 
2012-07-12 10:24:08 AM  
Being on the wrong side of the Laffer curve is wrong.

This simple fact has been staring in the face of the Taxed Enough Already morons for a while now.

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!


People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

I give it about 30 years or so.
 
2012-07-12 10:24:28 AM  
So what you're saying is...Obama doesn't care about people with peanut allergies?
 
2012-07-12 10:24:36 AM  
TAXED TOO MUCH ALREADY!!!

factcheck.org
 
2012-07-12 10:25:02 AM  

quatchi: People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.


Also, once the Republicans stop running on his policies.
 
2012-07-12 10:26:25 AM  

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!


Do you plan to stop blaming Hitler for the Holocaust?
 
2012-07-12 10:27:37 AM  

hugram: chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!

Do you plan to stop blaming Hitler for the Holocaust?


Overzealous staffer.
 
2012-07-12 10:27:43 AM  

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!



Let's agree not to mention any facts from other presidencies. Obama has the lowest unemployment numbers EVER!
 
2012-07-12 10:32:50 AM  

quatchi: Being on the wrong side of the Laffer curve is wrong.

This simple fact has been staring in the face of the Taxed Enough Already morons for a while now.

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!

People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

I give it about 30 years or so.


So, taxes are low relative to the last 30 years, and the bush tax cuts were "giveaways to the rich".

I would assume then that you'd be in favor of letting all the bush tax cuts expire. This would raise taxes closer to historic averages, and also presumably represent a "takeaway" from the rich.
 
2012-07-12 10:33:32 AM  
I'm pretty sure Three Mile Island is working perfectly now.
 
2012-07-12 10:34:48 AM  

theknuckler_33: I'm pretty sure Three Mile Island is working perfectly now.


Oops. Nix that.

TMI's Unit 2 reactor has been shut down since the partial meltdown in 1979
 
2012-07-12 10:35:14 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: quatchi: Being on the wrong side of the Laffer curve is wrong.

This simple fact has been staring in the face of the Taxed Enough Already morons for a while now.

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!

People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

I give it about 30 years or so.

So, taxes are low relative to the last 30 years, and the bush tax cuts were "giveaways to the rich".

I would assume then that you'd be in favor of letting all the bush tax cuts expire. This would raise taxes closer to historic averages, and also presumably represent a "takeaway" from the rich.


Well then, good news! We can easily devise a plan that lets the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire, while keeping them for everyone else!

Oh wait; that's what Obama's plan does.
 
2012-07-12 10:36:53 AM  
IN BEFORE ENVIRODUDE SHOWS UP TO shiat EVERYWHERE.
 
2012-07-12 10:37:33 AM  
In my home town, one of the TEA party types ended up as county executive, and tried to float the idea of selling off major parts of town---like the garbage dump---because of the usual TEA party line about how everything is too big and too complicated and too expensive and too waah.

When this was reported in the newspaper, the comment board was flooded with fellow TEA partiers, who said we can't have these things anymore because we can't pay for it all, and society has to learn to live with fewer trappings of civilization. No work about how all previous generations of Americans somehow managed.

This will not be the generation that brings us back to the moon. I find it odd that they dress up in revolutionary garb, when they seem to be the least interested in having a country or otherwise living up to the responsibilities of American citizenship.
 
2012-07-12 10:38:13 AM  
Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.
 
2012-07-12 10:40:44 AM  

Xcott: In my home town, one of the TEA party types ended up as county executive, and tried to float the idea of selling off major parts of town---like the garbage dump---because of the usual TEA party line about how everything is too big and too complicated and too expensive and too waah.

When this was reported in the newspaper, the comment board was flooded with fellow TEA partiers, who said we can't have these things anymore because we can't pay for it all, and society has to learn to live with fewer trappings of civilization. No work about how all previous generations of Americans somehow managed.

This will not be the generation that brings us back to the moon. I find it odd that they dress up in revolutionary garb, when they seem to be the least interested in having a country or otherwise living up to the responsibilities of American citizenship.


I'm curious what the Tea Partiers think happens to their garbage if and when they sell off the town dump.
 
2012-07-12 10:41:10 AM  
"Today" apparently means December 31, 2009
 
2012-07-12 10:41:32 AM  

lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.


The same could be said for you my friend.
 
2012-07-12 10:41:41 AM  

skullkrusher: "Today" apparently means December 31, 2009


That was one hell of a party.
 
2012-07-12 10:42:30 AM  

qorkfiend: quatchi: People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

Also, once the Republicans stop running on his policies.


You mean like Mittens who's entire financial team consists of BushCo retreads?

Good point.
 
2012-07-12 10:42:41 AM  

lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.


By "freeze spending," do you mean pay everyone zero dollars for three years?

Maybe the private sector can pitch in by doing the same with all of their employees too. Then the economy will be in great shape.
 
2012-07-12 10:43:14 AM  

qorkfiend: skullkrusher: "Today" apparently means December 31, 2009

That was one hell of a party.


Which increases are in effect now vice 2009?
 
2012-07-12 10:43:17 AM  

qorkfiend: Xcott: In my home town, one of the TEA party types ended up as county executive, and tried to float the idea of selling off major parts of town---like the garbage dump---because of the usual TEA party line about how everything is too big and too complicated and too expensive and too waah.

When this was reported in the newspaper, the comment board was flooded with fellow TEA partiers, who said we can't have these things anymore because we can't pay for it all, and society has to learn to live with fewer trappings of civilization. No work about how all previous generations of Americans somehow managed.

This will not be the generation that brings us back to the moon. I find it odd that they dress up in revolutionary garb, when they seem to be the least interested in having a country or otherwise living up to the responsibilities of American citizenship.

I'm curious what the Tea Partiers think happens to their garbage if and when they sell off the town dump.


The invisable hand of the free market will get rid of it. DUH!
 
2012-07-12 10:43:27 AM  

quatchi: qorkfiend: quatchi: People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

Also, once the Republicans stop running on his policies.

You mean like Mittens who's entire financial team consists of BushCo retreads?

Good point.


Also Mitt's entire foreign policy team. Those are two areas where we should definitely revisit the early 2000s.
 
2012-07-12 10:43:44 AM  

lordaction: If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years.


So what you're saying is that we should suspend all federal spending (including defense) for 3 years?

Were you born this stupid or was this something you picked up gradually as you grew up?
 
2012-07-12 10:45:48 AM  
Well good news, there is a process in which you can raise taxes back to what they were 12 years ago. Dont do nutt'n. Absolutly nutt'n.
 
2012-07-12 10:46:24 AM  

lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.


mmhmmm.
 
2012-07-12 10:46:42 AM  
Is today the day we trust FactCheck?
 
2012-07-12 10:47:56 AM  

meat0918: Is today the day we trust FactCheck?


I don't know are you a lib or a con?
 
2012-07-12 10:48:46 AM  

meat0918: Is today the day we trust FactCheck?


FactCheck != PolitiFact
 
2012-07-12 10:49:44 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: So, taxes are low relative to the last 30 years, and the bush tax cuts were "giveaways to the rich".


Now you're getting it.

I would assume then that you'd be in favor of letting all the bush tax cuts expire. This would raise taxes closer to historic averages, and also presumably represent a "takeaway" from the rich.

Letting the tax cuts on the richest expire and letting the tax cuts on the MC be extended *is* still a giveaway to the rich and that's where I'd prefer to see it go but if it takes getting rid of all of them to get rid of the absolutely indefensible Bush tax cuts for the wealthy then yeah, I'm cool.

Did you ever manage to come up an argument in favor of increased wealth inequality like I asked you yesterday?

Didn't see it if you did.
 
2012-07-12 10:49:55 AM  

qorkfiend: Debeo Summa Credo: quatchi: Being on the wrong side of the Laffer curve is wrong.

This simple fact has been staring in the face of the Taxed Enough Already morons for a while now.

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!

People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

I give it about 30 years or so.

So, taxes are low relative to the last 30 years, and the bush tax cuts were "giveaways to the rich".

I would assume then that you'd be in favor of letting all the bush tax cuts expire. This would raise taxes closer to historic averages, and also presumably represent a "takeaway" from the rich.

Well then, good news! We can easily devise a plan that lets the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire, while keeping them for everyone else!

Oh wait; that's what Obama's plan does.


Or we could just let them all expire! We still stick it to the rich, because after all the original tax cuts were giveaways to the wealthy (at least that's what liberals said and still say, and they're really smart and don't lie or exaggerate, so you know it's true) plus we'd raise $4t in revenue over the next 10 years as opposed to the $700b we would if only allowing cuts for incomes greater than $250k to expire.
 
2012-07-12 10:50:41 AM  

lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.


Soooooo, you're a liberal?
 
2012-07-12 10:52:06 AM  

quatchi: Being on the wrong side of the Laffer curve is wrong.

This simple fact has been staring in the face of the Taxed Enough Already morons for a while now.

chiett: And we are blaming Bush again !!!

People will stop blaming Bush shortly after the rest of the country finishes paying for all his farkups including Iraq and his tax giveaway to the rich.

I give it about 30 years or so.


I take it you didn't see this chart in the article.

factcheck.org
 
2012-07-12 10:53:08 AM  
thinkprogress.org
 
2012-07-12 10:53:56 AM  

Xcott: lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.

By "freeze spending," do you mean pay everyone zero dollars for three years?

Maybe the private sector can pitch in by doing the same with all of their employees too. Then the economy will be in great shape.


No, I mean keep spending at the same levels with no increases.
 
2012-07-12 10:54:44 AM  

Xcott: lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.

By "freeze spending," do you mean pay everyone zero dollars for three years?

Maybe the private sector can pitch in by doing the same with all of their employees too. Then the economy will be in great shape.


No, he means "freeze spending at current levels" for 3 years. Which is an awesome idea, because inflation never turns a dollar into 95 cents after 3 years.

We could also try various ways of bumping tax receipts back up to the historical average of 19% of GDP, instead of keeping them around 14% (where they've been since 2006). Perhaps letting recent rate cuts affecting the most affluent earners expire would be some small measure to increase revenue received by the Feds while not appreciably affecting consumers' ability to spend.

But that sounds like Naziism, which makes our Founding Father Ayn Rand cry Galtian tears while spinning in his grave.
 
2012-07-12 10:55:06 AM  

Mrtraveler01: lordaction: If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years.

So what you're saying is that we should suspend all federal spending (including defense) for 3 years?

Were you born this stupid or was this something you picked up gradually as you grew up?


Freeze the increases in spending. Keep the currents levels. Do you understand yet? Gosh, you guys really don't understand the terminology no wonder you don't understand basic economics.
 
2012-07-12 10:57:47 AM  
Considering SS, property, HC (it's a tax ya know) and state taxes we most assuredly are taxed enough already.
 
2012-07-12 10:58:24 AM  

lordaction: Mrtraveler01: lordaction: If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years.

So what you're saying is that we should suspend all federal spending (including defense) for 3 years?

Were you born this stupid or was this something you picked up gradually as you grew up?

Freeze the increases in spending. Keep the currents levels. Do you understand yet? Gosh, you guys really don't understand the terminology no wonder you don't understand basic economics.


lordaction: Mrtraveler01: lordaction: If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years.

So what you're saying is that we should suspend all federal spending (including defense) for 3 years?

Were you born this stupid or was this something you picked up gradually as you grew up?

Freeze the increases in spending. Keep the currents levels. Do you understand yet? Gosh, you guys really don't understand the terminology no wonder you don't understand basic economics.


Some also pointed out that you don't understand inflation and the fact that $1 will not equal $1 in 2015.

And you think I don't understand basic economics? Talk about the pot calling the kettle Blargh...
 
2012-07-12 11:00:36 AM  

Vegetable Medley: qorkfiend: skullkrusher: "Today" apparently means December 31, 2009

That was one hell of a party.

Which increases are in effect now vice 2009?


there don't have to have been any direct increases to make the effective rate higher today than it was at the end of 2009. First of all, that includes the credits and rebates from the stimulus which are no longer available. The chart also ends when we were still very much feeling the effects of the financial collapse and 2009 represented the height of that impact in terms of employment.
 
2012-07-12 11:01:54 AM  

qorkfiend: I'm curious what the Tea Partiers think happens to their garbage if and when they sell off the town dump.


I know one that sees no problem with simply dumping his trash in the woods in back of his house. That includes used oil, batteries, and coolant from the car. It includes all kinds of plastics and polymers. He thinks that trash collection is a waste of taxpayer money. I asked him where city dwellers should put their trash, since most of them own a negligible amount of land at best. He said they should find a landowner that will allow them to dump it, of course a fee would be involved, to be determined by the free market. I asked what about those that don't have a truck that can haul it, or simply don't want to turn their vehicle into a garbage truck. He said that someone would start a business where you pay them to take it away, and they in turn pay someone to dump it on their land. I asked what about the people that can't afford the rate that is determined by free market. He said that they can figure it out for themselves. I asked him if he didn't realize that leaving rotting trash and hazardous chemicals all over, and burning plastics and used tires in the middle of a city, and other things that will surely happen, have negative externalities. He asked me what that meant.

These people really believe that unrestricted free market will solve all the issues we face in modern society. They believe that the hand of the market is godlike, and to interfere with it in any way is socialism, which is of course evil.
 
2012-07-12 11:02:28 AM  
What's funny is that Romney's new ad about Obama and the talk of Bain is named "No Evidence"...

In The Dilbert Future: Thriving On Stupidity In The 21st Century, Scott Adams (in Prediction 49 - in the future, new technology will allow police to solve 100 percent of all crimes. The bad news is that we'll realize 100 percent of the population are criminals, including the police) points out how easy it is to spot the murderer in a crime drama.

When asked if he killed his wife, an innocent man would say, "no, are you f***ing crazy, of course I didn't kill my wife." He would address the charge directly.

When asked if he killed his wife, a murderer would say, "you can't prove I murdered her, so unless you're going to charge me this interview is over." He doesn't address denying the charge at all, he just says there's no absolute smoking gun of evidence that eliminates shadows of doubt in some people's minds about that one particular thing.

It's based on human nature. That's how you can watch everything from a crime drama, to a reality TV show where someone gets called out on a lie, to incidents in your own personal life and know it's a believable scenario. People telling the truth address the truth directly. People with something to hide will be evasive in case they give away they do know something and it implicates them.

It's also how you can say, "interesting choice of wording the Romney camp chose for that video. So what's he hiding? So many lies that wants to label the Dems as Obama And His Tax And Spend Liberals In Congress despite overwhelming evidence it's a lie, and now he's passing off Bain as 'you have no evidence...' like the guilty party in an episode of CSI. It smells fishy..."
 
2012-07-12 11:02:35 AM  

quatchi: Debeo Summa Credo: So, taxes are low relative to the last 30 years, and the bush tax cuts were "giveaways to the rich".

Now you're getting it.

I would assume then that you'd be in favor of letting all the bush tax cuts expire. This would raise taxes closer to historic averages, and also presumably represent a "takeaway" from the rich.

Letting the tax cuts on the richest expire and letting the tax cuts on the MC be extended *is* still a giveaway to the rich and that's where I'd prefer to see it go but if it takes getting rid of all of them to get rid of the absolutely indefensible Bush tax cuts for the wealthy then yeah, I'm cool.

Did you ever manage to come up an argument in favor of increased wealth inequality like I asked you yesterday?

Didn't see it if you did.


What makes you think I'm in favor of increasing wealth inequality?

And if the original bush tax cuts were indefensible giveaways to the wealthy that increased wealth inequality, then letting them
expire would be be taking those giveaways back, reducing wealth inequality.

But glad to see you're on board with letting all the tax cuts expire. I'll put you on my distribution list. Would you prefer we rip off the bandaid and let them all expire as scheduled on 1/1 of next year or should we phase them out over time. Phasing them out might be beneficial economically in the short term, but it'd require a lot of political bullshiat whereas just letting them expire would just involve Obama sitting on his hands after he's re-elected.
 
2012-07-12 11:04:15 AM  

lordaction: Here is what liberals don't want you to know. If we were to freeze spending right now the deb would be paid of by 2015. LIberals can't stop spending for 3 farking years. Instead they bring up this bullshiat about how unfair it is the top tax payers are only paying 75% of the tax burden. These people are delusional, entitled children with no grasp of economics or math.


The debt would not be so high if conservatives like Reagan and Bush II didn't spend like drunken sailors. Did you know that Bush didn't even conduct his wars-based-on-lies on the books?
 
2012-07-12 11:06:20 AM  

Jackpot777: What's funny is that Romney's new ad about Obama and the talk of Bain is named "No Evidence"...

In The Dilbert Future: Thriving On Stupidity In The 21st Century, Scott Adams (in Prediction 49 - in the future, new technology will allow police to solve 100 percent of all crimes. The bad news is that we'll realize 100 percent of the population are criminals, including the police) points out how easy it is to spot the murderer in a crime drama.

When asked if he killed his wife, an innocent man would say, "no, are you f***ing crazy, of course I didn't kill my wife." He would address the charge directly.

When asked if he killed his wife, a murderer would say, "you can't prove I murdered her, so unless you're going to charge me this interview is over." He doesn't address denying the charge at all, he just says there's no absolute smoking gun of evidence that eliminates shadows of doubt in some people's minds about that one particular thing.

It's based on human nature. That's how you can watch everything from a crime drama, to a reality TV show where someone gets called out on a lie, to incidents in your own personal life and know it's a believable scenario. People telling the truth address the truth directly. People with something to hide will be evasive in case they give away they do know something and it implicates them.

It's also how you can say, "interesting choice of wording the Romney camp chose for that video. So what's he hiding? So many lies that wants to label the Dems as Obama And His Tax And Spend Liberals In Congress despite overwhelming evidence it's a lie, and now he's passing off Bain as 'you have no evidence...' like the guilty party in an episode of CSI. It smells fishy..."


I think you posted in the wrong thread. This is the thread where FactCheck.org is taken at face value. The one below is the one where they are engaged in a coverup to protect Mittens from prosecution.
 
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