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(Telegraph)   One-tenth of Britain's armed forces has just been seriously demoted   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 104
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2012-07-11 10:03:45 PM  
Still winning:
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Fail tag is busy getting frisked.
 
2012-07-11 10:10:50 PM  
WTF!?!? Do the police carrying out routine security at the Olympics really carry MP5s with them? That's retarded.
 
2012-07-11 11:30:14 PM  
People in the military get volunteered to do shiat jobs? Quick! To the Romerocopter!
 
2012-07-11 11:30:48 PM  
 
2012-07-11 11:35:03 PM  
well.... i guess it is a "demotion" but since the army is already trained and paid for, and England is in a double dip recession, shouldn't they be applauding the government saving a few quid and using an existing resource than paying out extra for "private security forces?"

Ghastly: WTF!?!? Do the police carrying out routine security at the Olympics really carry MP5s with them? That's retarded.


anecdotal, but when i've visited in the past the police either don't carry any guns, or they carry all of the guns. Plus, visiting NYC and DC post 9/11 i've seen small group patrols carrying heavier ordinance. And when i visited the eiffel tower 5ish years ago, a patrol of french soldiers in fatigues with FAMAS wandered past us.I don't think its tat unusual for some heavier weapons to be present at "high risk" zones. And come on, who wants to take a picture of the normal police when you can take a picture of the guys carrying "exciting" *assault rifles*!
 
2012-07-12 12:12:25 AM  
Hmm, a sham job in London, or 16 hour patrols in Afghanistan? Tough call.
 
2012-07-12 03:29:34 AM  

Ghastly: WTF!?!? Do the police carrying out routine security at the Olympics really carry MP5s with them? That's retarded.


Have you seen Snatch? Bullet Tooth Tony type Brits can take a standard pistol clip. It's their Pictish blood.
 
2012-07-12 06:11:51 AM  
We can only hope for another Richard Jewel moment.
 
2012-07-12 06:18:24 AM  
Summertime in London, winter coats, long pants

sheesh
 
2012-07-12 06:24:45 AM  
I intend to send

cdn.head-fi.org

a harshly worded letter.
 
2012-07-12 06:31:48 AM  
My God, they are using their military to protect the civilian population? Madness!
 
2012-07-12 06:35:31 AM  

cretinbob: Right, Now let's see something decent and military.....


Now *this* is something decent and military...

It seems the main complaint is that G4 Security have failed to live up to their contract remit of supplying security so the army step in, green fatigues and all (they're worried the "Friendly Olympics" brand is going to be busted by camo and army boots)

My solution is to take the money that G4 will have defaulted on and spend them on 2012 Olympic uniforms for the armed forces so they can patrol in short shorts and muscle tops. *That* would be degrading.
 
2012-07-12 06:40:43 AM  
My bigger concern is why the hell they need 3500 military personnel in the first place ON TOP of the already existing security forces. Are the Olympics being held in Afghanistan?? Between the armed military, security forces AND putting surface to air missiles on top of apartment buildings Link, it seems to me they want to be prepared for an invasion.
 
Heb
2012-07-12 06:45:55 AM  
Let's hope they don't use any paras. They'll start shooting at the first kid who looks at them funny, then plant evidence on the body to claim he was a terrorist.
 
2012-07-12 06:49:54 AM  
What else do they have to do?
 
2012-07-12 06:55:54 AM  

FenixStorm1: My bigger concern is why the hell they need 3500 military personnel in the first place ON TOP of the already existing security forces. Are the Olympics being held in Afghanistan?? Between the armed military, security forces AND putting surface to air missiles on top of apartment buildings Link, it seems to me they want to be prepared for an invasion.


Usually, for every infantry grunt you see patroling, there's a ton behind the scenes. Cooks, mechanics, supply troops, communications guys, finance, IT, intel, etc. Plus there will be a fark ton of Public Affairs guys around in case said infantry grunt makes a newsworthy fark up.

A single helicopter can have one guy working on the radio, one on the radar, two guys on the engines, etc. plus the dudes that support the actual aircrew.
 
2012-07-12 07:04:14 AM  
have subby, "one-tenth HAVE been demoted"
 
2012-07-12 07:11:32 AM  
I suspect that many if not all of them will be in dress uniforms rather than camo and that most will not be armed. You don't need or even want to be carrying a weapon while rummaging through someones backpack after all. Not only would it get in the way but it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the Olympics. Now that's not to say that there won't be people with guns there, just that they aren't likely to be visible to the general public unless they are (hopefully not) needed.

Besides, it sounds like a way to add a ribbon. White with Olympic rings on it for anyone who participated in the events security detail sounds about right.
 
2012-07-12 07:13:02 AM  

tlchwi02


anecdotal, but when i've visited in the past the police either don't carry any guns, or they carry all of the guns. Plus, visiting NYC and DC post 9/11 i've seen small group patrols carrying heavier ordinance.


I think you meant "ordnance".
 
2012-07-12 07:14:09 AM  

tlchwi02: well.... i guess it is a "demotion" but since the army is already trained and paid for, and England is in a double dip recession, shouldn't they be applauding the government saving a few quid and using an existing resource than paying out extra for "private security forces?"


You should ask yourself what they were trained to do before lauding the government.

They'd be far better off hiring kids off the street to do this job, and leave the hardened combat troops out of it.
 
2012-07-12 07:16:47 AM  
One-tenth of Britain's armed forces has just been seriously demoted

So they were decimoted?
 
2012-07-12 07:30:17 AM  
The interesting bit to me is that G4S are being paid £300m to supply 10,000 security staff for the two week orgy of drugged cheating. £15,000 per person per week sounds quite generous. I wonder how much of it the front line staff get.
 
2012-07-12 07:33:00 AM  
But conservatives always tell me that private companies can do anything more efficiently than the government...I just don't understand...
 
2012-07-12 07:35:41 AM  
People still pay attention to the Olympics?
Who knew?
 
2012-07-12 07:39:21 AM  
Great, so they are having the military make sure that people only bring clothes/food/beverages from the appropriate sponsors into the games???
 
2012-07-12 07:42:23 AM  
U.S. military personal are routinely involved in "trivial" non-combat assignments like distributing food in Africa, fresh water and building supplies in Haiti. A lot of the men and women helping in Haiti were Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. They don't their own private powder rooms either. Sounds like someone needs to man up a little bit.
 
2012-07-12 07:42:49 AM  
So it begins. Here's hoping nothing goes down.
 
2012-07-12 07:48:50 AM  

Molavian: tlchwi02: well.... i guess it is a "demotion" but since the army is already trained and paid for, and England is in a double dip recession, shouldn't they be applauding the government saving a few quid and using an existing resource than paying out extra for "private security forces?"

You should ask yourself what they were trained to do before lauding the government.

They'd be far better off hiring kids off the street to do this job, and leave the hardened combat troops out of it.


Yeah, because everyone knows that veterans are incapable of making rational decisions and taking reasonable actions in non-combat jobs.
 
2012-07-12 07:50:25 AM  
Hey complaining soldier:

Fark You! Serve your country!
 
2012-07-12 07:56:55 AM  
So, I don't see the problem with this. And I also don't see it as a demotion, since they're using their nations armed forces to help protect a major international event which could potentially attract terrorists. Now if the military were being used to police a U2 concert or something of that nature, then I'd fully understand the military higher-ups getting royally pissed, then it'd be understandable.

I have family member in the military, who I asked once, "what would you think if they sent you to do something outside of what you normally do?" His response, "eh, I joined the army, I go where I'm needed, doesn't matter what the duty is."

These people need to get their panties untwisted and go back to work.
 
2012-07-12 08:01:34 AM  
MoD fury as soldiers forced to carry out menial security tasks for Olympic Games

Would like to point out that anytime you're paid to carry a weapon, it's not menial.
Those are people son, not cattle so, stop shooting so many of 'em.
 
2012-07-12 08:02:05 AM  
from the article


"the 10,000 figure had been a "finger in the air" estimate."


I wonder what finger that was?
 
2012-07-12 08:02:30 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: U.S. military personal are routinely involved in "trivial" non-combat assignments like distributing food in Africa, fresh water and building supplies in Haiti. A lot of the men and women helping in Haiti were Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. They don't their own private powder rooms either. Sounds like someone needs to man up a little bit.


You don't see the difference between a humanitarian disaster and helping a commercial enterprise?
 
2012-07-12 08:03:05 AM  
Great Britain, other than Afghanistan, I don't really think your Army is doing much else. It's not like you still have an empire to police. It's better to over-do it on security for something like the Olympics, and have nothing happen, rather than have a private company half-ass the job and have a Munich 1972 disaster.
 
2012-07-12 08:08:14 AM  
Amateurs.
 
2012-07-12 08:13:31 AM  
resources0.news.com.au

Group Commander General Byron "Balls and Blood" Blarney discusses troop deployment with his Command Sergeant Major. Blarney is discussing the redeployment of the 134th Queen's Lancers from the Stationary Bicycling Competition Centere towards the Funnel Cake Concessions. "Blimey, Sergeant Major. There's a lot of Americans over there. If the fried lard and fat should go, they could overrun our established positions at the Eel on a Stick Pavilion. That whole front could go wonkers, what not."
 
2012-07-12 08:17:57 AM  

cynicalbastard: Molavian: tlchwi02: well.... i guess it is a "demotion" but since the army is already trained and paid for, and England is in a double dip recession, shouldn't they be applauding the government saving a few quid and using an existing resource than paying out extra for "private security forces?"

You should ask yourself what they were trained to do before lauding the government.

They'd be far better off hiring kids off the street to do this job, and leave the hardened combat troops out of it.

Yeah, because everyone knows that veterans are incapable of making rational decisions and taking reasonable actions in non-combat jobs.


They've been trained to eliminate the enemy. Violently.

Not to search grannie's handbag.

That's my point. They're not already trained to do what they're going to be doing, they've been trained to kill people. If they're going to be some sort of rapid response team, that's a different story, but that's not what I gathered from the article.
 
2012-07-12 08:22:19 AM  
as one of 6 people thus far who has bought a ticket to an olympic women's football match, today i received an email telling me that i couldnt bring in either a bag (including a handbag for my wife) or more than 100ml of liquid to a football match. some tory banker is going to get rich selling overpriced pepsi. welcome to the modern world.

many, many britons are staying away from the olympics due to the security hassles.
 
2012-07-12 08:23:15 AM  
Demoted my ass. Security is security.

Being in the military means the guy above you can have you scrub toilets used by a bunch of 18 year old living away from home for the first time.
 
2012-07-12 08:24:24 AM  

liam76: You don't see the difference between a humanitarian disaster and helping a commercial enterprise?


I don't see international olympic competition as strictly a commercial enterprise.

(And, if you use branded merchandising as the definition of "commercial enterprise", then the U.N. is a commercial enterprise. "Would you like a mini U.N. flag, coffee mug, or keychain to go with that?" Link)
 
2012-07-12 08:27:04 AM  
Using the military to police civilians, including large numbers of foreign citizens visiting from around the world, at a very high profile event seems like a phenomenally bad idea.
 
2012-07-12 08:28:18 AM  

tlchwi02: Plus, visiting NYC and DC post 9/11 i've seen small group patrols carrying heavier ordinance. And when i visited the eiffel tower 5ish years ago, a patrol of french soldiers in fatigues with FAMAS wandered past us.I don't think its tat unusual for some heavier weapons to be present at "high risk" zones. And come on, who wants to take a picture of the normal police when you can take a picture of the guys carrying "exciting" *assault rifles*!


I've never seen anything above a K-9 unit in NYC. Which honestly makes me feel safer than someone with an assault rifle waiting around for something to happen.

It's nice to see the doggies.
 
2012-07-12 08:28:31 AM  
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

-Commander William Adama
 
2012-07-12 08:30:35 AM  
They're getting paid, right? OK, then shut up.
 
2012-07-12 08:31:05 AM  

thecpt: tlchwi02: Plus, visiting NYC and DC post 9/11 i've seen small group patrols carrying heavier ordinance. And when i visited the eiffel tower 5ish years ago, a patrol of french soldiers in fatigues with FAMAS wandered past us.I don't think its tat unusual for some heavier weapons to be present at "high risk" zones. And come on, who wants to take a picture of the normal police when you can take a picture of the guys carrying "exciting" *assault rifles*!

I've never seen anything above a K-9 unit in NYC. Which honestly makes me feel safer than someone with an assault rifle waiting around for something to happen.

It's nice to see the doggies.


Come walk around in Grand Central on a routine basis. You'd think there was a goddamn invasion being planned.
 
2012-07-12 08:32:04 AM  

plewis: Hey complaining soldier:

Fark You! Serve your country!


You would be surprised at what we can do with word power in the ole UCMJ (America's stab at military law). It's also sickening at times. Very. Let's just say I've seen some messed up time in my day...
 
2012-07-12 08:32:05 AM  
And when they've finished this humiliating task a good many of them will be handed redundancy notices as the armed forces are cut back.
 
2012-07-12 08:32:15 AM  
This is just stupid.

Soldiers SHOULD be totally okay with being guards. Even 'menial' guards.

Frankly, I am offended every time I heard that some military force has outsourced their security detail.
 
2012-07-12 08:33:36 AM  

Void_Beavis:

Come walk around in Grand Central on a routine basis. You'd think there was a goddamn invasion being planned.


Yeah, I'm there every other weekend. Maybe its a time of day, or a day of week thing? I always see the german shepherds hanging outside of the main concourse.
 
2012-07-12 08:36:49 AM  

thecpt: Void_Beavis:

Come walk around in Grand Central on a routine basis. You'd think there was a goddamn invasion being planned.

Yeah, I'm there every other weekend. Maybe its a time of day, or a day of week thing? I always see the german shepherds hanging outside of the main concourse.


Yeah come during the week, around rush hour on a routine basis.

They change up the detail quite a bit but it's not uncommon to see cops in full riot gear, helmets and all, carrying assault rifles. I also often see national guard troops with assault rifles, body armor, helmets, etc etc.
 
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