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2012-07-11 09:42:21 PM
8 votes:
To be fair, parsing natural language is one of the hardest problems in artificial intelligence.
2012-07-11 10:27:14 PM
4 votes:

Cyberluddite: Of all the many things to make fun of Mittens over, this is not one of them.


If only the Republicans had spent the last 4 years criticizing their opponent for some inane issue that couldn't possibility come back to bite them in the ass....
x23
2012-07-11 10:16:25 PM
3 votes:
the best part is when people read "Teleprompter-In-Cheif" jokes off of their own GD teleprompter with zero awareness of how hilariously dissonant that is.
2012-07-11 10:07:12 PM
3 votes:
Fail. Epic. Good.
2012-07-12 01:07:44 AM
2 votes:
There is plenty to ridicule Romney about. His policies are horrible, and he's a craven entitled jerk. But at the same time I don't begrudge people who want to make hay about this. After almost 4 years of hearing how horrible the president is becuase he uses a teleprompter, this flub is quite gratifying.

And sure it's not anything anyone is going to chagne their vote over, but it's not shameful or disgraceful to have small indulgences, as long as they stay small.
2012-07-11 10:59:19 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.

actually, you're right. It is a proper way to signify the end of a quotation when speaking


Prepared Remarks

It's not in there. If it was the proper way, it would mean something. He didn't open - as Biden did - by saying "quote".

why would a teleprompter say "end of quote" on it if he wasn't actually supposed to read those words? It doesn't make any sense. In all likelihood, it was actually part of the prepared speech as it was loaded on the teleprompter or he ad libbed that bit in to close the quotation.

It's not in his prepared remarks. It was likely a teleprompter queue to resume his normal speaking voice, or something he interjected in there. It's in there just the same as some words are spelled phonetically in order to make sure they don't stumble over it. There are lots of prompter tricks like that. Especially when you're quoting a quote, like he was doing there. It's rare that speeches are perfectly transcribed.

teeny: If you've never heard someone say "quote/unquote, end quote, close quote" etc, then you haven't heard many formal speeches. It's not generally used in common speech, but when speaking formally it's considered proper to distinguish your words from someone you're quoting.


He didn't open up by saying quote.

Listen to the full NAACP speech. Link

At 2:45 he quotes what President Obama said to him, but doesn't say end of quote despite beginning with quote.
At 5:45 he quotes Frederick Douglass, but doesn't say end of quote.
At 7:50 he uses both quote and end of quote.
At 22:30, is the line in question. And his delivery seems off. Go all forensic on his facial tics and how they differ.

If there was consistency, I'd agree with you guys. Maybe Mitt-bot just has different rules on when to say end of quote, and his odd delivery just makes it sound like he was reading off a prompter queue. Or maybe he just flubbed it a bit.
2012-07-11 10:25:17 PM
2 votes:

IMDWalrus: teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.

TalenLee: Yeah, it's archaic and it's weird, but it's not wrong.

I think we've found the Republican response to this one.

Personally, I've never heard anyone do this in my twentysomething years on this planet.


^This. Politicians use quotes all the time, I have no recollection of anybody ever saying those words out loud and I've been on this planet for double your twentysomething years.

In particular, listen to the cadence that he uses to deliver those words: it's absolutely indisputable that he thinks he's still delivering the quote (or worse, isn't thinking at all about the words he's delivering). I suppose somebody could, with the best will in the world, defend this if they only read the transcript; but if you listen to the audio, there's no explaining this away as "he closed the quote".
2012-07-11 10:21:39 PM
2 votes:
I'm starting to see WHY the Republicans hate teleprompters.
2012-07-11 10:18:24 PM
2 votes:

teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.


TalenLee: Yeah, it's archaic and it's weird, but it's not wrong.


I think we've found the Republican response to this one.

Personally, I've never heard anyone do this in my twentysomething years on this planet.
2012-07-11 10:14:04 PM
2 votes:

teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.


actually, you're right. It is a proper way to signify the end of a quotation when speaking
2012-07-11 10:12:14 PM
2 votes:
My mistake, he was quoting Dr. King (who was quoting Chesterton). But he said it to separate King's words from his own. WTF is wrong with you people?
2012-07-11 10:07:49 PM
2 votes:
2012-07-12 09:31:33 AM
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: Lemon. Wet. Good. End of quote.

Criticizing Mr. Romney's use of a teleprompter or slip of the lip is ridiculous. Let's leave that nonsense to the Republicans. We're better than that.


OH NO WE'RE NOT.

I've learned that the only way to get them to stop being so goddamn stupid about things is to slap them in the face with a real-world example of how goddamn stupid they're acting.

Perhaps the remarks about Obama using a teleprompter will diminish after this.
2012-07-12 03:58:35 AM
1 votes:

teeny: My mistake, he was quoting Dr. King (who was quoting Chesterton). But he said it to separate King's words from his own. WTF is wrong with you people?


What's wrong with you is the question. Your linguistics degree is starting to make you think robot language is normal.
2012-07-12 03:24:16 AM
1 votes:

Cataholic: contrapunctus: It's put there in parentheses so the speaker can clearly see where the quote itself ends. This allows the speaker to have a normal, human pause (or at least fake one) that the audience will interpret as the quote having ended.

This could be the dumbest thing I've ever read...and I've been on FARK for over 10 years.


Nonsense. You've said much dumber things.
2012-07-12 01:21:57 AM
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: I don't quite get groping for tiny gaffes from Romney. It's like scrounging on the floor for crumbs when there's a six course meal sitting on the table in front of you.


It can't all be filet mignon and fois gras, sometimes you just want a burger.

Small indulgences aren't bad as long as they stay small.
2012-07-12 01:12:16 AM
1 votes:

stuhayes2010: Seriously, how'd this moron make do much money?



Born rich, went to school with other rich kids, got a job with those rich kids using their wealth and connections to generate more wealth. He's not exactly a self-made man.
2012-07-12 12:04:00 AM
1 votes:

magusdevil: Sorry my leftist friends, as much as I dislike Mitt, and as much as I'd love this to be a thing, it's just not happening. Let it go. There's nothing to see here. This actually makes me sad for the authors of this nontroversy.


Yea but, as you can see, when you play back the speech in slow motion - during that particular phrase he moves his head back and to the left. Did you see that? It's totally inconsistent with a natural flow. Watch it again. See... back and to the left. Back and to the left. Back and to the left. Back and to the left.
2012-07-12 12:03:17 AM
1 votes:
I just can't wait for the debates. I have a bottle of Macallan 12 for the first one.

Sh*t gonna get messy up in here.
2012-07-11 11:54:27 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: "George Romney released 12 years of tax returns because, he said, and I quote, 'One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show.' End of quote."" - Joe Biden, yesterday

now you've heard it twice, dummy


Because not orphaning your open verbal quotation is the same as just throwing in an out-loud punctuation mark when you never opened the verbal quotation mark, dummy.
2012-07-11 11:52:13 PM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: DirkValentine: skullkrusher: DirkValentine: skullkrusher: DirkValentine: skullkrusher: DirkValentine: aaaaaaaannnndd BOOOM goes the dynamite.

What say you now, Skullkrusher?

shall I link to the post in which I already responded to this or do you think you can find it on your own?

I'm sorry, I didn't know we were talking about Biden.

not sure what you mean but apology accepted. Maybe you can show Dwight_Yeast how to be classy as well. He is really bad at it

told you so. Put him on ignore; it will save you a lot of pointless stupidity and name-calling in the future.


hahaha as usual you add dick to the thread, insult, then cry about name calling. You are a boring moron. That isn't a name-call. That's an observation. You have nothing interesting to say because you are of very average intelligence and I am being generous when I say that.
2012-07-11 11:50:34 PM
1 votes:
Here is how I reacted to it in real time this morning when I watched the speech live. I shoul point out that I am used to the idea of people saying "end quote" at the end of quotes in speeches to emphasize the other person's words. But when he said it the delivery was so awkward that it totally jolted me and I spent the next minute speculating as to whether he was not supposed to say it or if he was supposed to say it but was second guessing himself half way through.
2012-07-11 11:32:12 PM
1 votes:

teeny: Indis: He didn't open up by saying quote.

"As Dr. King said..." = "Quote...."


Well, now that's just problematic. If it was quote-unquote pairing, it would be fine. Throwing in different words makes it change based on the observer. It would be fair for other people to disagree with you on this, since he could have said "as dr. king said quote", as he did earlier.
And it is inconsistent with the Frederick Douglas one, which is very similar to this, and he throws in a quote to start.

All I'm saying - it's not definite either way.

skullkrusher: the earlier quotes were 1 or 2 liners and didn't have a quote embedded within a quote

I can't tell if you're just well-versed with Mitt-bot's rules of speaking, or just frantically pulling anything together so that you don't have to backpedal and say "hmmmm, maybe I was wrong, but I don't think so end of quote".
Arguing for the sake of arguing? Well, fark does need those pageviews. One big reason why I don't bother to visit.

Can I make up something just for the sake of it, even if it's something I'm just pulling out of my ass? Hold one second.

Here is another Biden use of the phrase where he doesn't open the quote either
I don't know what this has to do with anything? Do you have Biden's prepared remarks to match up with this? Otherwise it could just be Biden Bidening away at a podium.

Everyone knows when TR comes into play, you have to say end of quote.
End of quote as a standalone sentence is different from when used after a comma.
Both sides are bad, so use ellipses.....

Jim_Callahan: Indis: If there was consistency, I'd agree with you guys. Maybe Mitt-bot just has different rules on when to say end of quote, and his odd delivery just makes it sound like he was reading off a prompter ...

I think you're over-analyzing this. Do I sometimes say "period" after the end of a sentence to emphasize it? Yes. Do I do it after every single sentence where I'm being emphatic? No. Does this difference necessarily mean anything? Not really.


Most public speakers, especially when they have decades of rigid training, develop patterns of speech and familiar ways to signal things to an audience. You can see it in their delivery, from newscasters to politicians. I figure it's a toss up between a flub, bad speech transcription and something he inconsistently adds to his speeches.
2012-07-11 11:17:57 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.

You missed that Romney is a Republican. Everyone knows that means you have to be outraged at anything he does.skullkrusher: "George Romney released 12 years of tax returns because, he said, and I quote, 'One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show.' End of quote."" - Joe Biden, yesterday

now you've heard it twice, dummy


No! Unprecedented!!! No one ever ended a quote with a statement clarifying the quote was ending!!!!! No ONE!! Leave it to Republicans to be dumb!!!exclamations!!!!

The talking point is making the round as "end of quote" on google search returns the Romney story courtesy of Kos and DU as part of the top results. People gotta get their half-thought out poorly formed arguments a high visibility before common sense knocks them down.


Wait... aren't Republicans the ones who tried to make a big stink over Obama's job bill being held together with a paper clip? Yea, it f*cking was. I don't think any Republican has any f*cking leg to stand on if someone wants to make an issue out of this, even if I do personally feel that it's a non-issue. Maybe when Republicans stop trying to make a big deal out of every single little goddamn thing Obama does, maybe they can cry foul when Dems make a big deal out of something insignificant that a Republican does. But until then, if you can't take it don't dish it out.
2012-07-11 11:06:38 PM
1 votes:
This is Romney's quote Arugula Moment end of quote.
2012-07-11 11:06:35 PM
1 votes:

DarwiOdrade: To be fair, parsing natural language is one of the hardest problems in artificial intelligence.


Yeah, but "[End-of-quote]" can be handled in context-sensitive grammars rather than unrestricted/natural languages. Is a simple political speech with quotes enough to blow the stack for RomneyBot2.0?
2012-07-11 11:05:17 PM
1 votes:

teeny: Indis: He didn't open up by saying quote.

"As Dr. King said..." = "Quote...."


www.thetruthaboutcars.com
2012-07-11 10:52:08 PM
1 votes:
Quote.
Body.
End quote.
2012-07-11 10:51:04 PM
1 votes:
farm6.static.flickr.com
2012-07-11 10:51:01 PM
1 votes:
Link

It's not in the transcript ("which is copy pasta off the officially released copy of the prepared speech released from the campaign). Mittens has many many other quotes in the speech... It's not there either . He farked up...he read off the prompter something he shouldn't.

Ever seen a prompter script? You don't use punctuation as it doesn't always read at distance.

Watched the whole speech...his head is like a sprinkler...back and fourth prompter to prompter...barely looking at the crowd.
2012-07-11 10:40:39 PM
1 votes:

teeny: Kiss my ass. I haven't voted republican in years, but that has shiat to do with something that intelligent people recognize as 'the point'.


"Amercia" has no technical bearing on the election; "Lemon. Wet. Good" has no technical bearing on the election; this has no technical bearing on the election. But y'know what? They're still funny. Pull the stick out of that ass of yours and lighten up, Francis.
2012-07-11 10:39:54 PM
1 votes:
The teleprompter talking point is one of the stupidest things they've come up with, especially considering their beloved St. Reagan was the epitome of someone who absolutely relied on the teleprompter, while coming off as clueless and bumbling when off-script.
2012-07-11 10:34:56 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: why would a teleprompter say "end of quote" on it?


It's put there in parentheses so the speaker can clearly see where the quote itself ends. This allows the speaker to have a normal, human pause (or at least fake one) that the audience will interpret as the quote having ended.

Since Romney has the personality of a coffee stain, it's understandable that this would cause problems.

//See 'Barack Obama' for more information on how to deliver speeches properly.
2012-07-11 10:34:22 PM
1 votes:
ROMNETRON DOES NOT FEEL
ROMNETRON DOES NOT FEEL
ROMNETRON DOES NOT FEEL

...love.


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2012-07-11 10:34:05 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: why would a teleprompter say "end of quote" on it if he wasn't actually supposed to read those words?


Poor proofreading?
2012-07-11 10:33:40 PM
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: holy farking bookmarked exclamation point goddamn comma that is funny as hell period


sarcastic tone: Romney would make a great elcor.
2012-07-11 10:32:35 PM
1 votes:

sinanju: skullkrusher: czetie: IMDWalrus: teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.

TalenLee: Yeah, it's archaic and it's weird, but it's not wrong.

I think we've found the Republican response to this one.

Personally, I've never heard anyone do this in my twentysomething years on this planet.

^This. Politicians use quotes all the time, I have no recollection of anybody ever saying those words out loud and I've been on this planet for double your twentysomething years.

In particular, listen to the cadence that he uses to deliver those words: it's absolutely indisputable that he thinks he's still delivering the quote (or worse, isn't thinking at all about the words he's delivering). I suppose somebody could, with the best will in the world, defend this if they only read the transcript; but if you listen to the audio, there's no explaining this away as "he closed the quote".

why would a teleprompter say "end of quote" on it if he wasn't actually supposed to read those words? It doesn't make any sense. In all likelihood, it was actually part of the prepared speech as it was loaded on the teleprompter or he ad libbed that bit in to close the quotation.

blah blah blah [end of quote]


I agree Make masturbation gesture while nodding sarcastically period
2012-07-11 10:31:48 PM
1 votes:

Cyberluddite: Of all the many things to make fun of Mittens over, this is not one of them.


Yeah, it wouldn't have been, except for, ya know.... the last four years.

Oh wait.

yeah comma it wouldn't have been comma except for comma ya know dramatic pause the last four years period
2012-07-11 10:30:23 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: czetie: IMDWalrus: teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.

TalenLee: Yeah, it's archaic and it's weird, but it's not wrong.

I think we've found the Republican response to this one.

Personally, I've never heard anyone do this in my twentysomething years on this planet.

^This. Politicians use quotes all the time, I have no recollection of anybody ever saying those words out loud and I've been on this planet for double your twentysomething years.

In particular, listen to the cadence that he uses to deliver those words: it's absolutely indisputable that he thinks he's still delivering the quote (or worse, isn't thinking at all about the words he's delivering). I suppose somebody could, with the best will in the world, defend this if they only read the transcript; but if you listen to the audio, there's no explaining this away as "he closed the quote".

why would a teleprompter say "end of quote" on it if he wasn't actually supposed to read those words? It doesn't make any sense. In all likelihood, it was actually part of the prepared speech as it was loaded on the teleprompter or he ad libbed that bit in to close the quotation.


blah blah blah [end of quote]
2012-07-11 10:25:42 PM
1 votes:

"Shh. Act like it was intentional and maybe they won't notice."
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ROMNERATU 2012

"Poor is a disease"
2012-07-11 10:24:45 PM
1 votes:

IMDWalrus: teeny: Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.

TalenLee: Yeah, it's archaic and it's weird, but it's not wrong.

I think we've found the Republican response to this one.

Personally, I've never heard anyone do this in my twentysomething years on this planet.



"George Romney released 12 years of tax returns because, he said, and I quote, 'One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show.' End of quote."" - Joe Biden, yesterday

now you've heard it twice, dummy
2012-07-11 10:18:28 PM
1 votes:
Who says "end of quote"?

I say "endquote" or "quote unquote"
2012-07-11 10:14:21 PM
1 votes:
You stay classy, America. I'm Mitt Romney?
2012-07-11 10:12:23 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Go f*ck yourself, America.


I'm Mitt Romney? And I approve this message?
2012-07-11 10:09:37 PM
1 votes:
Am I missing something? It sounded like he was quoting G K Chesterton and simple closed the quote at the end...like many people do during a speech.
2012-07-11 10:08:54 PM
1 votes:
Overzealous programming error, nothing to see here.
2012-07-11 10:01:46 PM
1 votes:
10 LOOK NATURAL
20 GO TO 10
2012-07-11 09:40:48 PM
1 votes:
HA exclamation point At least Obama knows how to actually use the teleprompter they give him grief about period
 
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