Genevieve Marie: BronyMedic: (3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and

Don't you think a public garden could fall under that last bit?

Except Eden. I hear some folks got kicked out of that one too.

ox45tallboy: BronyMedic: ox45tallboy: uatuba: If that photo was taken at a private establishment, it should be entirely up to the owner to continue the policy or do away with it. It's the owner's right to be an idiot. It's also my right to not patronize the business. I wouldn't patronize a business that segregated groups of people based on any class ("protected" or not). But if the owner wants to do it, it's his right.

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Hate to tell you this, but the Supreme Court decided you were wrong about 48 years ago.

Actually, no, it didn't. Title II of the Civil Rights act of 1964 does not apply to private clubs, or organizations not engaged in interstate commerce.

The question was about a private park that is open to the public, same as if it were a lunch counter in Greensboro. So yes, the Civil Rights Act and accompanying court decisions are applicable here. This was not a "private club" that decided the lesbians couldn't become members.

Furthermore, the Kentucky Civil Rights Act of 1966 prohibited discrimination in accommodation in facilities open to the public.

Oh it's most likely against the law, both Federal and State. IANAL, but it doesn't seem like there's much question. I'm just stating that if it's private property, and the owner wants to be an idiot, let him. He won't be in business for long, and we'll know much quicker that a racist/homophobe/anti-religious/whatever moron is running about. All these types of laws do is force the idiots to be more covert about it and, basically, protect them from themselves. My wife works in the Mississippi Delta, and there are literally two of everything. Two Piggly Wiggly's, two Wendy's, two (or more) laundromats, two sets of apartments, etc. etc. And one is the "white" version while the other is the "black" version. It's not because the whites refused service to black people, but rather because black people didn't feel like they were being treated the same as the white folks (and they very likely weren't) so they just decided to open their own stores.

Wouldn't it have been better to let Racy McRacist to keep openly discriminating and going out of business as a result? I know the perception of the South is that we're all a bunch of racist hillbilly sister bangers, but the attitude has changed for the better over the years. When these fliers I mentioned were being distributed last week and tacked on the doors of businesses during the middle of the night, the police were more concerned for the safety of those holding this "conference" because people were so outraged by it. And this area is overwhelmingly white.

Let us assume the article is factual.


Now, as much as I disagree with them being told to leave for being gay, I will point out PRIVATELY OWNED, = PRIVATELY REGULATED.


But I won't assume the article is factual 100% factual just because pissed off people usually never tell things like it actually happened. I will also point out that the same people that are outraged over a private property owner having property rights are also the same people who believe business owners have the right to legally invalidate conceal carry permits & ban weapons on their premises, even if "in public".

Alanismorrisette.jpg, or something.

thismomentinblackhistory: Or maybe you just don't have a dog in this fight...which makes you like the policeman holding a water hose.

But the policemen holding water hoses had dogs. I'm confused.

Genevieve Marie: Don't you think a public garden could fall under that last bit?

BronyMedic: (b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:

The dealbreaker is if they charged her admission, or allowed private vendors on the site. If so, she has a case. If not, public opinion better be loud enough.

Wayne 985: Have you ever faced discrimination for being straight? Ever been suicidal because you're straight? Ever been denied legal protections because you're straight? Kicked out of parks, called names, told you're going to burn in Hell, or told you should be ashamed for being straight?

Or been the victim of assault, or been disallowed from seeing your significant other before their surgery, or been denied fertility treatments or the chance to adopt, or been alienated from your former friends and family, or...

Danger Avoid Death: KidneyStone: here in the USA some f*cking magnetic yellow ribbon somehow supports troops.

I take it you're too young to remember Tony Orlando and Dawn? The yellow ribbon is from a song "Tie a Yellow Ribbon (Round the Old Oak Tree)." It's about a soldier coming home from war after telling his sweetheart to Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree if she still wanted him after three long years. He gets to her place to find a hundred Yellow Ribbons.

I'm sure you do and no I'm not. I am full aware of what the yellow ribbon symbolizes.

You missed my point and it's a sore point (and a thread jack, sorry) - how, exactly, does having a yellow magnetic (or sticky) ribbon on your vehicle support troops? I mean what good does it do other than making the owner fell better? I visit the local VA in Duluth, GA, every month and interact with vets that "live" there (think nursing home). My gal and I head 450 miles every month (well, almost every month) to Camp LeJuene to take a load off a severely PTSD Marine's head for a few days. That's the kind of things I think when I say "I support our troops." A f*cking magnet on the car ain't shiat.

/End threadjack

KidneyStone: I gotta ask the gays out there - what's the deal with the rainbow flag stickers and/or tags on your cars?

If I, a straight guy, put a tag on my car saying STRAIGHT someone would get all pissy about it and give me shiat about not being sensitive to diversity. But if I'm gay it's 100% Kool Mo Dee fine to have a rainbow flag, essentially announcing that I'm gay.

Why is there that double standard?

I'm not trolling. Mostly.

OK, I'm stirring the pot a little but sometimes the pot needs to be stirred. Double standards piss me off.

Bless your heart.

Fluorescent Testicle: Wayne 985: Have you ever faced discrimination for being straight? Ever been suicidal because you're straight? Ever been denied legal protections because you're straight? Kicked out of parks, called names, told you're going to burn in Hell, or told you should be ashamed for being straight?

Or been the victim of assault, or been disallowed from seeing your significant other before their surgery, or been denied fertility treatments or the chance to adopt, or been alienated from your former friends and family, or...

Thank you. I'm a gay man and while I've never been assaulted or fired, it's been rough at times and caused enormous amount of depression.

When people ask why gays go to pride events or have camaraderie, it doesn't anger me, but it does get me frustrated.

Supp0rt teh tr00ps, G0P!

/h00-rah!

wildsnowllama: KidneyStone: I gotta ask the gays out there - what's the deal with the rainbow flag stickers and/or tags on your cars?

If I, a straight guy, put a tag on my car saying STRAIGHT someone would get all pissy about it and give me shiat about not being sensitive to diversity. But if I'm gay it's 100% Kool Mo Dee fine to have a rainbow flag, essentially announcing that I'm gay.

Why is there that double standard?

I'm not trolling. Mostly.

OK, I'm stirring the pot a little but sometimes the pot needs to be stirred. Double standards piss me off.

Hey, you're free to put rainbows on your car too.

...

*snicker*

LOL. I'm not asking if I can have permission, just asking why,

Back around 1988 or so I had never heard of the rainbow flag and was yakking with a guy that owned an auto body shop. I asked if he could paint a guitar for me (electric guitar body) and he was all "Sure, no problem" and I described my idea for a guitar. I envisioned a ROY G BIV metallic, shiny, color scheme and he....kinda looked and me and walked off. Ran into him prolly 10 years later - after I found out about the rainbow flag and the meaning - and we had a good laugh. He thought I was hitting on him!

/I still think a metallic rainbow paint scheme would look cool on a guitar....
//But I'd have to play YMCA or In The Navy or some shiat

KidneyStone: wildsnowllama: KidneyStone: I gotta ask the gays out there - what's the deal with the rainbow flag stickers and/or tags on your cars?

If I, a straight guy, put a tag on my car saying STRAIGHT someone would get all pissy about it and give me shiat about not being sensitive to diversity. But if I'm gay it's 100% Kool Mo Dee fine to have a rainbow flag, essentially announcing that I'm gay.

Why is there that double standard?

I'm not trolling. Mostly.

OK, I'm stirring the pot a little but sometimes the pot needs to be stirred. Double standards piss me off.

Hey, you're free to put rainbows on your car too.

...

*snicker*

LOL. I'm not asking if I can have permission, just asking why,

Back around 1988 or so I had never heard of the rainbow flag and was yakking with a guy that owned an auto body shop. I asked if he could paint a guitar for me (electric guitar body) and he was all "Sure, no problem" and I described my idea for a guitar. I envisioned a ROY G BIV metallic, shiny, color scheme and he....kinda looked and me and walked off. Ran into him prolly 10 years later - after I found out about the rainbow flag and the meaning - and we had a good laugh. He thought I was hitting on him!

/I still think a metallic rainbow paint scheme would look cool on a guitar....
//But I'd have to play YMCA or In The Navy or USMC or some shiat

[see above]

ox45tallboy: uatuba: Oh it's most likely against the law, both Federal and State. IANAL, but it doesn't seem like there's much question. I'm just stating that if it's private property, and the owner wants to be an idiot, let him. He won't be in business for long, and we'll know much quicker that a racist/homophobe/anti-religious/whatever moron is running about. All these types of laws do is force the idiots to be more covert about it and, basically, protect them from themselves. My wife works in the Mississippi Delta, and there are literally two of everything. Two Piggly Wiggly's, two Wendy's, two (or more) laundromats, two sets of apartments, etc. etc. And one is the "white" version while the other is the "black" version. It's not because the whites refused service to black people, but rather because black people didn't feel like they were being treated the same as the white folks (and they very likely weren't) so they just decided to open their own stores.

Wouldn't it have been better to let Racy McRacist to keep openly discriminating and going out of business as a result? I know the perception of the South is that we're all a bunch of racist hillbilly sister bangers, but the attitude has changed for the better over the years. When these fliers I mentioned were being distributed last week and tacked on the doors of businesses during the middle of the night, the police were more concerned for the safety of those holding this "conference" because people were so outraged by it. And this area is overwhelmingly white.


You're preaching to the choir. At the moment I'm in Cullman, AL at my sister's house; Cullman still had a "sundown" sign in f*cking 1998.

Going south to Tuscaloosa through Florence, AL, there's a small town there that still has a sundown sign up. Wish I'd have taken pics of it when I went through there in 2007.

KidneyStone: /I still think a metallic rainbow paint scheme would look cool on a guitar....
//But I'd have to play YMCA or In The Navy or some shiat

Lead with "Born This Way". For the kids.

KidneyStone: I gotta ask the gays out there - what's the deal with the rainbow flag stickers and/or tags on your cars?

If I, a straight guy, put a tag on my car saying STRAIGHT someone would get all pissy about it and give me shiat about not being sensitive to diversity. But if I'm gay it's 100% Kool Mo Dee fine to have a rainbow flag, essentially announcing that I'm gay.

Why is there that double standard?

I'm not trolling. Mostly.

OK, I'm stirring the pot a little but sometimes the pot needs to be stirred. Double standards piss me off.

Its simple: persecuted minorities, from Christians to gays, have always rallied around symbols to identify and covertly empower their fellow members. Christians wore Ichthys pedants. American blacks appropriated the word "n*gger" as casual (oft friendly) moniker for fellow members of their community. Gays chose rainbowed flags (as one of) their symbols. Its not because they want to be special. In fact, they are acting just like every other persecuted group in history.

The symbols of the majority are codified into our very society. You cannot go five minutes in America without seeing a scantly clad whore shilling motor oil with her bronzed curves. Heterosexual sex is deeply ingrained in American culture. Why do you need a "Straight" Pride Parade" when any event is full of heterosexual couples displaying their "pride" in public without fear of persecution?

Finally, I would recommend conducting introspection into why you feel jealousy toward the Gay Movement. For the most part, gays are not looking for special treatment. They merely want to have the same rights as heterosexual Americans. The right to marry and then divorce the person you (used to) love. The right to be a parent. The right to express your sexuality, within the same social norms are straight couples, in public. And above all:

The right to be judged on the merits of your heart and mind and not with whom you choose to sleep.

/not gay
//can't we all just get along?

WTF is next? Gay water fountains? A 'Gay Entrance' in the back of businesses?!

Backward, Bronze Age myth believing, bigoted hillbillies. Don't care how much money or power they have, that's all they'll ever be.

This is a joke of an excuse for a farce of a charade of what 'Christians' are supposed to stand for. But hey! What have the Christians ever cared about acting Christian? After all, they 'Christianed' a whole lot of other people off of that land to get it in the first place.

Wayne 985: Thank you. I'm a gay man and while I've never been assaulted or fired, it's been rough at times and caused enormous amount of depression. When people ask why gays go to pride events or have camaraderie, it doesn't anger me, but it does get me frustrated.

I'm a gay woman who's been through all of that (and will continue to - I still haven't had the guts to come out to my parents, who are very vocal in their anti-gay beliefs - oh God, that's going to suck), so yeah, I absolutely understand where you're coming from. Frankly, I've pretty much given up on us ever really being accepted, at least during my lifetime, but these homophobic idiots' behaviour still makes me want to kick them in the nuts with a stereotypically steel-toed boot.

/Internet hugs.
//I wish I was half as brave as the women in TFA, but I'm not.

Swiftstone2012: WTF is next? Gay water fountains?

Coming soon: Brokeback Fountain.

404 page not found: hetero hetero Stone: wildsnowllama: KidneyStone: I gotta ask the gays out there - what's the deal with the rainbow flag stickers and/or tags on your cars?

If I, a straight guy, put a tag on my car saying STRAIGHT someone would get all pissy about it and give me shiat about not being sensitive to diversity. But if I'm gay it's 100% Kool Mo Dee fine to have a rainbow flag, essentially announcing that I'm gay.

Why is there that double standard?

I'm not trolling. Mostly.

OK, I'm stirring the pot a little but sometimes the pot needs to be stirred. Double standards piss me off.

Hey, you're free to put rainbows on your car too.

...

*snicker*

LOL. I'm not asking if I can have permission, just asking why,

Back around 1988 or so I had never heard of the rainbow flag and was yakking with a guy that owned an auto body shop. I asked if he could paint a guitar for me (electric guitar body) and he was all "Sure, no problem" and I described my idea for a guitar. I envisioned a ROY G BIV metallic, shiny, color scheme and he....kinda looked and me and walked off. Ran into him prolly 10 years later - after I found out about the rainbow flag and the meaning - and we had a good laugh. He thought I was hitting on him!

/I still think a metallic rainbow paint scheme would look cool on a guitar....
//But I'd have to play YMCA or In The Navy or USMC or some shiat

[see above]

Did the Village People have a USMC song?

LOL I know there are gay Marines. It may sound cliche but one of my best friends back in college (the 80's) was a fresh out of the Marines lesbian. Played clarinet in the band that welcomed the first space shuttle back to Earth (Hey Trish B!)

I don't give a shiat about gays. Or, scuse me, the GLBT community and their sexuality. I just asked why the GLBT can put a rainbow flag on f*cking everything and why I, a straight guy, would catch shiat for proclaiming being a hetero?

Like this lol hetero hetero hetero hetero hetero

Swiftstone2012: WTF is next? Gay water fountains? A 'Gay Entrance' in the back of businesses?!

Backward, Bronze Age myth believing, bigoted hillbillies. Don't care how much money or power they have, that's all they'll ever be.

This is a joke of an excuse for a farce of a charade of what 'Christians' are supposed to stand for. But hey! What have the Christians ever cared about acting Christian? After all, they 'Christianed' a whole lot of other people off of that land to get it in the first place.

Thank you for the quotes. Not all us Christians are judgmental assholes.

Some of us *gasp* actually read what the dude said and try and follow his teachings. (i.e. don't judge, be kind, help poor, be humble, don't lie, don't be a hypocrite, money is evil, etc.)

Hickory-smoked: fragMasterFlash: So what, they were too cheap to hire a banjo player? I thought 'banjo music == lesbain repellent' was known to be a universal truth.

You couldn't be more wrong. Some of the hottest banjo players I know are lesbians.

Some of the hottest lesbians I know are bango players.

ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: I have to agree, unfortunately. It appears that commerce is important.

Well, smack my ass and call me Bernice. Looks like they rent out picnic pavilions.

Large pavilion $50, small pavilion $25.

I.... think that's gonna come under "commerce".

Good Find Ox.

LET THE LAWSUIT COMMENCE!

Whether or not they're legally allowed to be assholes, can we at least agree that they are assholes?

Corporate Self: KidneyStone: I gotta ask the gays out there - what's the deal with the rainbow flag stickers and/or tags on your cars?

If I, a straight guy, put a tag on my car saying STRAIGHT someone would get all pissy about it and give me shiat about not being sensitive to diversity. But if I'm gay it's 100% Kool Mo Dee fine to have a rainbow flag, essentially announcing that I'm gay.

Why is there that double standard?

I'm not trolling. Mostly.

OK, I'm stirring the pot a little but sometimes the pot needs to be stirred. Double standards piss me off.

Its simple: persecuted minorities, from Christians to gays, have always rallied around symbols to identify and covertly empower their fellow members. Christians wore Ichthys pedants. American blacks appropriated the word "n*gger" as casual (oft friendly) moniker for fellow members of their community. Gays chose rainbowed flags (as one of) their symbols. Its not because they want to be special. In fact, they are acting just like every other persecuted group in history.

The symbols of the majority are codified into our very society. You cannot go five minutes in America without seeing a scantly clad whore shilling motor oil with her bronzed curves. Heterosexual sex is deeply ingrained in American culture. Why do you need a "Straight" Pride Parade" when any event is full of heterosexual couples displaying their "pride" in public without fear of persecution?

Finally, I would recommend conducting introspection into why you feel jealousy toward the Gay Movement. For the most part, gays are not looking for special treatment. They merely want to have the same rights as heterosexual Americans. The right to marry and then divorce the person you (used to) love. The right to be a parent. The right to express your sexuality, within the same social norms are straight couples, in public. And above all:

The right to be judged on the merits of your heart and mind and not with whom you choose to sleep.

/not gay
//can't we all just get alon ...

I'm interested in why you think I feel jealousy toward the Gay Movement (caps? Ok, whatever). I never questioned the right to marry and divorce, the right to be a parent, I just questioned why anyone would express "I'M GAY" via a rainbow flagged license tag. Sort of like why would I express "I'M STRAIGHT" or "I BLOW GOATS"

/not gay either, not that there's anything wrong with that
//I get along with most
///the goats are liars

Fluorescent Testicle: Wayne 985: Thank you. I'm a gay man and while I've never been assaulted or fired, it's been rough at times and caused enormous amount of depression. When people ask why gays go to pride events or have camaraderie, it doesn't anger me, but it does get me frustrated.

I'm a gay woman who's been through all of that (and will continue to - I still haven't had the guts to come out to my parents, who are very vocal in their anti-gay beliefs - oh God, that's going to suck), so yeah, I absolutely understand where you're coming from. Frankly, I've pretty much given up on us ever really being accepted, at least during my lifetime, but these homophobic idiots' behaviour still makes me want to kick them in the nuts with a stereotypically steel-toed boot.

/Internet hugs.
//I wish I was half as brave as the women in TFA, but I'm not.

I came out recently to my mother, who turned out to be supportive, but one thing I found is that the affirmation of simply admitting it was positive in itself. In other words, there are two scenarios to coming out:
A. Your parents lash out, but you can take pride in your courage and know that they are the ones with a problem, not you.
B. The knowledge that their daughter is gay causes them to re-examine their beliefs, either then or later on and the rest still applies.

I don't know if that helps, but for me it was like parachuting out of a plane. The fear before is actually the worst part. I obviously don't know you well enough to be giving detailed advice, and I don't know what will happen, but it's probably a safe bet that either scenario is preferable to hiding in fear forever.

Fluorescent Testicle: Whether or not they're legally allowed to be assholes, can we at least agree that they are assholes?

I pretty much agree with that about almost everybody.

namatad: ox45tallboy: uatuba: And since the person who OWNS the park should have the prerogative to do what he wants with it, then too bad for them. If it were public, it would be entirely different.

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Are you saying this is justified?

It is funny how civil rights act protects only some minorities. It would be interesting if a gay/lesbian black couple went into the park. It would be illegal to kick them out because they were black, but legal to kick them out because they were homos.

Pretty farked up country we got here.

Listen, buddy. If you want to be a good American, you've gotta learn to hate the right people for the right reasons.

namatad: ox45tallboy: uatuba: And since the person who OWNS the park should have the prerogative to do what he wants with it, then too bad for them. If it were public, it would be entirely different.

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Are you saying this is justified?

It is funny how civil rights act protects only some minorities. It would be interesting if a gay/lesbian black couple went into the park. It would be illegal to kick them out because they were black, but legal to kick them out because they were homos.

Pretty farked up country we got here.

You're the worst kind of pathetic, discriminatory bigot there is. They're African America, Sir. The fact that they are homos has nothing to do with that.

Your racism makes me SICK! I'm going to go call Jessie Jackson AND the Reverend Al Sharpton, AND I'm going to get a sence together to contact Johnny Cochrane.