Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Daily Caller)   "The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011." So....like half?   (dailycaller.com) divider line 262
    More: Interesting, Fraser Institute, Canadians, public health care, Prince Edward Island, therapies, elective  
•       •       •

4134 clicks; posted to Main » on 12 Jul 2012 at 1:39 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



262 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-07-12 08:36:10 AM  

keylock71: Raharu: HotWingConspiracy: Socialism is simply more mature than capitalism.

As far as medicine is concerned I would have to agree.

It's also far more christian and christ-like then most american Christians are comfortable with.

...And they're not mutually exclusive either. Mixed economies and all that.

I don't understand why many Americans can't grasp that some issues are better addressed with more Socialistic policies and others are better addressed with Capitalistic policies.


Because people judge you based on your wallet, clearly if its full of wealth god favors YOU!
 
2012-07-12 08:37:42 AM  
Did they also count how many Americans came to Canada for the life-preserving prescription drugs denied them by the US death panels?
 
2012-07-12 08:38:49 AM  
"A McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that a plurality of an estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care;[84] the same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).[85]".

Link
 
2012-07-12 08:38:50 AM  

wippit: What word are you having trouble with?


the part where you don't understand the difference between health care and health insurance
 
2012-07-12 08:42:40 AM  

keylock71: I don't understand why many Americans can't grasp that some issues are better addressed with more Socialistic policies and others are better addressed with Capitalistic policies.


Equal parts of media saturation and knuckle-dragging stupidity?

I'm fairly sure if you ask one of the semi-retarded Tea Baggers what socialism actually is they'd stare at you blankly, their cheeks spattered with rib sauce.

We all know that the people who get taken advantage of the most are stupid people. I'm certainly not saying all Americans are dumb, but the dumb Americans seem to be the ones who yell the loudest and get the most air-time.

Someone with a more measured, reasonable approach (say, a Chomsky, Zinn, etc) gets ZERO airtime on US national TV. They need to be spitting mad and angry and outraged to show up on a news show for their lengthy 1 minute 30 second interview.
 
2012-07-12 08:42:59 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Nonpartisan.


Even the Cato Institute calls itself "non-partisan". I think it just means they're cool if you're a conservative Democrat.
 
2012-07-12 08:44:00 AM  

jakomo002: Someone with a more measured, reasonable approach (say, a Chomsky, Zinn, etc) gets ZERO airtime on US national TV. They need to be spitting mad and angry and outraged to show up on a news show for their lengthy 1 minute 30 second interview.


In all fairness, Zinn is pretty quiet these days.
 
2012-07-12 08:44:04 AM  

Raharu:

Because people judge you based on your wallet, clearly if its full of wealth god favors YOU!


Something something camel something eye of needle something something?
 
2012-07-12 08:45:54 AM  

wippit: Raharu:

Because people judge you based on your wallet, clearly if its full of wealth god favors YOU!

Something something camel something eye of needle something something?


This just shows that wealthy people work harder to get in to heaven and thusly have earned it more then the poors.
 
2012-07-12 08:46:21 AM  

keylock71: I don't understand why many Americans can't grasp that some issues are better addressed with more Socialistic policies and others are better addressed with Capitalistic policies.


Because about 20% of Americans get all their "information" from Rupert Murdoch and AM radio stations and most of the other 80% either don't pay any attention at all or don't get nearly as worked up over politics as the "44th Fightin' Rascals" brigade.

The fact is that a small minority of this country has been effectively dictating its direction now for the last 12 years. Partly it's because the republicans and their media/corporate friends have done a truly impressive job of consolidating and controlling their message distribution channels and superficially masking them as legitimate news outlets, but mostly it's because a huge majority in this country just does not give a fark and just goes along blindly with whatever hair-brained garbage is currently the hot thing.

The Tea Party is a perfect example. They're loud, obnoxious, massively ignorant of even basic history or economic principles, racist, sexist, incredibly classist and even a very cursory examination of their ideas easily leads to the obvious conclusion that if they actually got what they wanted it would be wildly catastrophic for the vast majority of Americans.

But they were the neat new thing back in 2009/2010, so they garnered enough of a combination between support and apathy that they got a foothold in government and, well, here we are today. If people had actually paid any attention and put any thought in to what they were actually saying before their politicians started winning there would have been a crushing waves of anti-tea-party votes. But that just wasn't going to happen. Being even slightly informed requires a basic level of effort.

I mostly blame swing voters for all this. I'm convinced they are some of the dumbest people on the planet. At this point there is such an enormous dichotomy between the democrats and republicans that if you're going to vote for one or the other but haven't decided which one yet, the only reason is because you have no idea what the hell has been going on and you have no interest in finding out. Saying you're undecided on picking between democrats and republicans at this point is like saying you're having a hard time picking between a family sedan and a bulldozer as your commuter car. They're such wildly different things that it just makes no sense at all.

/ that got off on kind of a tangent, didn't it?
 
2012-07-12 08:47:58 AM  

Jackson Herring: wippit: What word are you having trouble with?

the part where you don't understand the difference between health care and health insurance


Health Care - The socialized medicine in Canada which covers doctor visits, MRIs, x-rays, surgery, etc.

Not "covered" under free Health Care - dental, vision, semi-private and private hospital rooms, ambulance fees, and drugs.
 
2012-07-12 08:53:18 AM  

Carth: CeroX: limboslam: Holy crap. Last month the evil American medical system I have to deal with had me wait a whole 5 days from my gp's referral to a specialist. Cost me a whole $10 out of pocket for the whole thing. Well, not counting the $120 I contribute every month to my Employer supplied health insurance. So not too bad. If Obamacare messes this up for me, I'm taking a flamethrower to this place.

120/month x 12 months = 1440 + "$10 out of pocket" = 1450

No mention of deductible, so either your employer is still picking up you deductible or you paid it in full... since you didn't mention it, i'll let your employer eat the cost of the $5k deductible

avg. cost of GP = $75
avg. cost of spec = $200

cost of visits with no insurance = $275

so you paid a corporation $1450 to cover 2 visits worth $275?

You sir got a hell of a deal! why don't more 'mericans do this? It's SO obvious this is the way to go!

It is even worst if you consider his insurance is employer subsidized and counted towards his compensation package.


woops, after looking at it, my math is a little off...

let me redo it before i get lynched

he paid 1440 to the corporation to cover 2 visits that WOULD cost only $275, but they elected to only cover $255 ($10 copay per visit presumably)

so instead of paying 1450 to the corp to cover 275 worth of visits, he paid 1440 for them to cover only 255 of 275 worth of visits, and he still gets to pay 10 per visit "out of pocket"...

EVEN BETTER
 
2012-07-12 08:53:22 AM  

Vegetable Medley: In all fairness, Zinn is pretty quiet these days.


Er, true dat. Noam ain't looking so hot himself (what is he, 90?).

wippit: Not "covered" under free Health Care - dental, vision, semi-private and private hospital rooms, ambulance fees, and drugs.


And most people get dental coverage (partial) from their workplace insurance policy.
 
2012-07-12 08:56:47 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: unlikely: So then this is a different Fraser institute than the Conservative Right-Libertarian Fraser Institute?

And did they ever find out what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs??


No no, you're thinking of the Frasier Institute of Seattle . The Fraser institute is a think-tank on how to weaponize Brendan Fraser's horrible acting. Dudley Do-Right was their first full-scale weapons test.
 
2012-07-12 08:59:46 AM  

jakomo002: And most people get dental coverage (partial) from their workplace insurance policy.


Should point out that dental IS covered (either 80% or all) for under-18. It's just adults who have to pay.
 
2012-07-12 09:00:49 AM  
Welcome to Obama's Canada.
 
2012-07-12 09:03:24 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Welcome to Obama's Canada.


G'day, eh? Have some beer and poutine, the Habs are facing the Leafs tonight. That's what it's all aboot, eh?
 
2012-07-12 09:09:24 AM  
I guess this is just part of the systematic attack on Canada's social contract. Let's get all the renters to buy condos so that money is transferred in larger amounts to the already rich, and transfer the risk of the mortgage to the little people. Next up, private health care. Yay!
 
2012-07-12 09:10:10 AM  

wippit: Should point out that dental IS covered (either 80% or all) for under-18. It's just adults who have to pay.


Yeah, I forgot about that. And dental coverage for kids is a GODSEND to any of us that have had to fix our kid's teeth.

When I was a kid, I had everything. A retainer, a bionator (for overbite), and even one of those headgear things that I had to wear at night. And only my dad worked, my mom was a housewife.

Without that kind of dental coverage, it would have cost them so much money to get all that stuff, that my teeth would look British.

/two sisters who also had some dental done
 
2012-07-12 09:16:08 AM  
Only Liberals are partisan. You can't call Conservatives "partisan" because a Conservative's only bias is toward The Truth™. Their heads are uncluttered by Libfacts™, which makes them totally objective. Why do you think they're called Objectivists?
 
2012-07-12 09:16:54 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: I guess this is just part of the systematic attack on Canada's social contract.


But it won't work. Too many people are up in arms at what they see. Even in Alberta.

I'd say, as a breakdown, more than half of all Canadians are quasi-socialists. Meaning that they believe the government should protect the weakest and most helpless segments of society.

And less than 5% are hardcore US-style Republicans. Eventually Harper will be ousted if he keeps up with his anti-environmental, pro-corporate platform. He will not last till the next election.

I'd say we have America to thank for our outlook, too. We constantly see so much absolute foolishness perpetuated by U.S. politicians that when Canada enacts a policy that seems very "American-style", most Canadians get pale and shaky.

America is like our constant reminder of how easy it is for the public to be marginalized, so you get far more Canadians who will actually take to the streets on protest over something they don't like. Even scientists for God's sake.
 
2012-07-12 09:19:16 AM  

cmb53208: Hmmm, I wonder how many of those 45,000 are Canadian retirees getting health care at hospitals in Florida?


That.

Plus, I know at least one was a friend of mine who was visiting and busted his ankle up really bad on a mountain bike trip.

Be biatched about the hospital visit and pathetic care the remainder of his trip.

/CPSB
//Cool Partison Story Bro
 
2012-07-12 09:32:33 AM  

pedobearapproved: how many of those are under 35? I didn't have real health insurance in my 20s (well, two years with a job that provided it). I had the "if your arm falls off from cancer during a car wreck you're covered" but for normal everyday dr visits I was on my own. Guess what. I spent around $200 a year on my health care (not counting the major arm falling off policy). Try and buy any health insurance for under that. People under 40 are generally healthy, many see health insurance as not a thing that's needed until you get to a place where it can help. If you asked me then if I'd rather spend $100 a month on insurance that makes my $30 drugs $5 or my future house I can tell you which.


The problem with everyone using this strategy is once you get sick or reach old farthood and you decide to get comprehensive insurance it would be unreasonably expensive because the only people getting comprehensive coverage are sick or old farts. The whole point of insurance is to spread the risk around so its affordable to any individual.
 
2012-07-12 09:34:22 AM  

cc_rider: cmb53208: Hmmm, I wonder how many of those 45,000 are Canadian retirees getting health care at hospitals in Florida?

Or Canadians who are working abroad.


or Canadians on vacation who stop off at the ship's doctor for an aspirin, or at the resort's clinic for something to handle the explosive diarrhea they picked up down at the local taco stand...
 
2012-07-12 09:39:31 AM  

wippit: Raharu:
Here in America, we weed out our fiscally weak, so that only the fiscally strong may survive in the long run, as god intended!

Money. It is the quintessential American delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.


Exactly the reason why Jesus was a banker!
 
2012-07-12 09:39:56 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I mostly blame swing voters for all this. I'm convinced they are some of the dumbest people on the planet. At this point there is such an enormous dichotomy between the democrats and republicans that if you're going to vote for one or the other but haven't decided which one yet, the only reason is because you have no idea what the hell has been going on and you have no interest in finding out. Saying you're undecided on picking between democrats and republicans at this point is like saying you're having a hard time picking between a family sedan and a bulldozer as your commuter car. They're such wildly different things that it just makes no sense at all.

/ that got off on kind of a tangent, didn't it?


The Daily Show said it nicely in their "Stupid Vote" segment back in 2008. One of my all time favourite clips.

i49.tinypic.com

Link
 
2012-07-12 09:42:38 AM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: The problem with everyone using this strategy is once you get sick or reach old farthood and you decide to get comprehensive insurance it would be unreasonably expensive because the only people getting comprehensive coverage are sick or old farts. The whole point of insurance is to spread the risk around so its affordable to any individual.


Which is the part of the individual mandate that makes sense: everyone is in all the time (or close to it). I still think that the easiest (and most legal) way to do it is a medicare expansion with corresponding tax increase. Yeah. That's right. A right winger just said tax increase. The government could then give you a menu of medical plans, for which it would pay premiums (with your own money). Employers could use additional medical insurance supplements as benefits to entice qualified workers. If I am understanding things rightly, that is more or less the German system.
 
2012-07-12 09:43:19 AM  

untaken_name: A Dark Evil Omen: untaken_name: You Cant Explain That: All poor people should just suffer and/or die when God decides its their time to do so.

Divorcing people from the negative consequences of their bad choices doesn't actually help them in the long run. Nor anyone else.

Look how stupid you are.

Oh, you wound me. Since you're so much smarter than I am, apparently, why not take a few moments and explain why I'm wrong? Or is that beyond your God-like abilities, Mr. Hawking?


You are wrong in that you are implying that decision-making is a strong determinant of an individual's ability to pay for medical care.
The notion that middle class and poor people are not rich because they are not smart/hard-working may feel truthy but is not supported by the evidence. External factors beyond the control of any individual keep poor communities poor. Certainly there are exceptional individuals but by and large the socio-economic group into which you are born is a much stronger determinant of your ability pay for expensive medical treatment than is your work-ethic and decision-making ability.
 
2012-07-12 09:48:08 AM  
I can't believe nobody posted this chart yet.

theincidentaleconomist.com
 
2012-07-12 09:50:55 AM  

Serious Black: I can't believe nobody posted this chart yet.

[theincidentaleconomist.com image 500x387]


Proof the Canadian system is broken. If you don't have a 100% solution you're socialist policies have failed!
 
2012-07-12 09:53:18 AM  

Raharu: Because people judge you based on your wallet, clearly if its full of wealth god favors YOU!


Well, there's that, too...

It has always seemed strange to me... the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. - John Steinbeck
 
2012-07-12 09:56:08 AM  

keylock71: It has always seemed strange to me... the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. - John Steinbeck


I was forced to read The Pearl in high school and didn't like it. That quote just made up for forcing my grade 9 self through that.
 
2012-07-12 09:56:43 AM  

jakomo002: We all know that the people who get taken advantage of the most are stupid people. I'm certainly not saying all Americans are dumb, but the dumb Americans seem to be the ones who yell the loudest and get the most air-time.


Not a new phenomenon in America by any means, but it is much easier to disseminate to the general public these days.

If it bleeds, it leads.
 
2012-07-12 09:59:04 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Saying you're undecided on picking between democrats and republicans at this point is like saying you're having a hard time picking between a family sedan and a bulldozer as your commuter car. They're such wildly different things that it just makes no sense at all.

/ that got off on kind of a tangent, didn't it?


Agreed... Anyone who still says Democrats and Republicans are the same, is either lying or hasn't been paying attention for the last few years.

No worries, I like rants.
 
2012-07-12 10:03:09 AM  

Mercutio74: keylock71: It has always seemed strange to me... the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. - John Steinbeck

I was forced to read The Pearl in high school and didn't like it. That quote just made up for forcing my grade 9 self through that.


Have you read "The Grapes of Wrath"? Excellent book and the themes still resonate in today's America.
 
2012-07-12 10:04:54 AM  

keylock71: Have you read "The Grapes of Wrath"? Excellent book and the themes still resonate in today's America.


I haven't, but I very well might now.
 
2012-07-12 10:10:11 AM  

pedobearapproved: vernonFL: 46,159 ?

That is less than the number of people in my COUNTY that don't have any health insurance at all.

In my state, there are over 700,000 people under 65 without health insurance.

how many of those are under 35? I didn't have real health insurance in my 20s (well, two years with a job that provided it). I had the "if your arm falls off from cancer during a car wreck you're covered" but for normal everyday dr visits I was on my own. Guess what. I spent around $200 a year on my health care (not counting the major arm falling off policy). Try and buy any health insurance for under that. People under 40 are generally healthy, many see health insurance as not a thing that's needed until you get to a place where it can help. If you asked me then if I'd rather spend $100 a month on insurance that makes my $30 drugs $5 or my future house I can tell you which.


And if you got in a nasty car accident like my ex did, the goddamn taxpayer or hospital would probably be on the hook for the bills. Because you're *invisible*, right?

And I don't know if you've bothered to look lately, but I take all of two medications. One the insurance won't cover (guess), the other is between $60 and $100 without insurance. With, $10. So yeah, that covers the $85 I pay in per month with my employer. And this is for a medication that has been available as a generic for years upon years.
 
2012-07-12 10:15:10 AM  

Mercutio74: keylock71: Have you read "The Grapes of Wrath"? Excellent book and the themes still resonate in today's America.

I haven't, but I very well might now.


You won't regret it. Beautiful prose. Well-written. Compelling characters and story. ...And the last chapter just leaves you feeling like you just got smacked in the head with a 2x4.
 
2012-07-12 10:18:43 AM  
Yes, I know, some of you are shocked at that response of mine.

I honestly believe that a free market system produces better results. I used to be one of the people who would hold out examples of people who received poor quality care under a government run system but then you realize that people who support such a system can hold out examples of people who received poor quality care under a free market system.

Then you just have to accept it, no matter what system you're using it's taking care of most of the people fairly well most of the time.

There are plenty of legitimate statistics you can use to support the system you think is best.

By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.
 
2012-07-12 10:22:06 AM  

randomjsa: By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.


Uh, what?
 
2012-07-12 10:23:49 AM  

randomjsa: Yes, I know, some of you are shocked at that response of mine.

I honestly believe that a free market system produces better results. I used to be one of the people who would hold out examples of people who received poor quality care under a government run system but then you realize that people who support such a system can hold out examples of people who received poor quality care under a free market system.

Then you just have to accept it, no matter what system you're using it's taking care of most of the people fairly well most of the time.

There are plenty of legitimate statistics you can use to support the system you think is best.

By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.


How about cost of care then? The US spends about 16% of GDP, Canada around 10% and the UK around 8% for roughtly comparable results. Unlike anecdotes, those are cold hard numbers that you can't waffle your way out of.
 
2012-07-12 10:23:56 AM  

randomjsa: By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.


How are they bogus
 
2012-07-12 10:24:33 AM  

jakomo002: randomjsa: By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.

Uh, what?


He means Libfacts.
 
2012-07-12 10:25:26 AM  

limboslam: FTFA: "....an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides elective treatment."

Holy crap. Last month the evil American medical system I have to deal with had me wait a whole 5 days from my gp's referral to a specialist. Cost me a whole $10 out of pocket for the whole thing. Well, not counting the $120 I contribute every month to my Employer supplied health insurance. So not too bad. If Obamacare messes this up for me, I'm taking a flamethrower to this place.


I used my employer provided insurance to see an orthopedic doctor to rule out a cartilage tear in my knee. Thanks to the deductible, I limped out of his office owing $600.

Of course, I didn't know how much I owed for 2 months. Even though I have to sign a piece a paper promising to pay them anything insurance doesn't cover, they absolutely can't quote me a price. What other industry can get away with the answer "we don't know how much you'll be charged. It depends on your insurance plan, negotiated rates, the alignment of planets, etc".

Or how about how when I was laid off two years ago, the cost to pay for CBRA insurance coverage would have been 66% of my unemployment benefits. So I was forced to risk life without comprehensive health insurance for 2 months. I got a much cheaper per diem coverage plan that didn't "officially" count as health insurance. So when I started my new job, any new illness in my first 6 months would have been considered pre-existing.

But, you know, our healthcare system is the the best in the world. USA, USA, USA
 
2012-07-12 10:27:25 AM  

randomjsa: I honestly believe that a free market system produces better results.


So how do you reconcile the fact that supply and demand breaks down in a healthcare market?
 
2012-07-12 10:28:08 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: hey're such wildly different things that it just makes no sense at all.


I don't necessarily agree with this statement...

I don't see swing voters being dumb, since i may be considered a "swing voter" myself. I vote on issues and people i research, so i don't just vote a party line. This makes for mistakes to be made (see GW circa 2000) but i also get to learn from those mistakes and vote differently next time around.

I think the problem isn't stupidity, but laziness...

Americans are given this great gift, the gift to forge the future of our government and how that government will operate for the next x number of years. We get to determine this on every level of government, from our local mayor, to the leader of the country. In the early days, this was seen as a GREAT opportunity and everyone involved made voting a huge deal... but we got complacent...

It's now taken for granted that WE, the PEOPLE get to forge our own futures and the right to vote isn't seen as this great honor anymore. Complacency has taken hold and the only time the majority of people vote is when they feel passionate about the person or issue they are voting for...

Obama's election is a great example of passion overriding complacency. When polled most unregistered black voters said they don't vote because they don't think they are represented correctly, or that their vote doesn't matter. But 2008 changed that, suddenly there was black man up for president and black voter registration reached record height. Black voter turn out also broke records. You can youtube video of some of the voter rallies in 2008 and see the passion the black community had. Complacency was overcome by passion.

This is the typical mindset of most Americans... I haven't seen the mass reports of black voting rallies or the drive to get new black registered voters this year, and i haven't seen any reports about the registration numbers among blacks and minorities either. Either the black community has gone back to complacency, or the media is electing to not cover that information.

But what i AM seeing being covered is the now passionate white voter turn out. I'm seeing more "take back america" campaign signs, stickers and ads. i'm seeing a LOT of campaigning from the white right to other whites who don't show the same passion trying convince them to vote against obama this year. I'm seeing this first hand in my own office, from management no less.

The people with the most passion are the ones who usually get airtime and things like that, but i believe, in all reality, that there are too many american voters who just don't care.

You hear this all the time "the lesser of two evils". This paradigm is what causes many registered voters to just not show up to polls. I have friends who registered to vote in high school because we earned extra credit in history class if we did, and NEVER ONCE VOTED. When i ask them why? They don't care. Once in a while they will biatch and complain about the gov't, and that's the opportunity i get to throw it in their face that they have been a registered voter for almost 20 years and not ONCE stepped in a booth. They are all registered under the same address as their parents and some don't even live in this state anymore...

Why do you think a more liberal leaning black president was elected one year, but the house of reps went primarily conservative the following? Because while the black community got boiling with passion for the president, they went right back to complacency when it came to any follow up elections. Who were the passionate voters come mid term? the white right. they knew they could cripple the obama administration if they just get a majority in the house... passion beat complacency once again...

This country is full of lazy, complacent people who only act when passion moves them.

They are lazy in that they rarely do any real research on an issue, they let political pundits, biased analyzers, and "news" organizations do their thinking for them. They read chain emails full of half truths with sources linked to obviously misleading websites and they buy into it. Because it's easier to call yourself a conservative or a liberal, a republican or a democrat, and just do what they tell you to do than to THINK for yourself, to READ the actual bills that stir up so much crap, to RESEARCH a person's voting history and see if they are now blowing smoke up your ass or not.

But they don't, they would rather listen to someone else talk and see if what that person says will give them enough passion to get off their ass and move.

This is why the conservative pundits act the way they do, they KNOW that their listeners would fall into apathy and complacency if they don't impassion or inflame them into action. They are VERY good at that, something the left pundits haven't figured out yet. The left looks down at this tactic, trying to take the high road, but the high road doesn't motivate people to get off their ass and vote. One thing you can say about the right is they are a very motivated set of people, because their leaders are always stirring up the pot, causing controversy and generally rousing the rabble. It's what they do, and they excel at it, and it works, i just wish they weren't so damned evil. They could really make a positive difference in this world if they would stop speaking on behalf of corporations and religion, the 2 biggest enemies of peace.

In conclusion, the stupidity comes from those who DO toe a line, those that brand themselves liberal/conservative/democrat/republican because those people don't have to think, they just fall in line...

I am from the camp that says DON'T fall in line, judge based on action, and individual merit, not on what some jackboot on AM radio speaking passionately into the microphone is telling you, or what some gold trimmed preacher behind a podium is telling you...

Figure it out yourself and act accordingly...
 
2012-07-12 10:28:38 AM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.

How are they bogus


Because the US doesn't show up at the top of the list in either category...
 
2012-07-12 10:28:57 AM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: By the way? Life expectancy and infant mortality rate are bogus statistics that people keep using over and over and over and over again.

How are they bogus


Clearly because its gods will who lives and who dies! Therefor even with the best healthcare, god already has you planned to die on X day. There for life expectancy and infant mortality are just Libfacts.
 
2012-07-12 10:29:47 AM  

sno man: The Fraser Institute is non partisan ish. The Daily Caller, not even so much. Slanted story has slippery sides.
19 weeks to get from GP to a specialist and get treated by said specialist...what for water on the knee?
less that 3% of Canadians waiting for treatment any any given time... How many 'mericans are waiting just now?
AND how many more aren't even eligible for treatment?
46k Canadians have coin extra enough to blow to jump the queue and take a few days or maybe a couple of weeks off their treatment for SOMETHING NON LIFE THREATENING. Good for them, good for the American docs treating these assholes, every body wins, but it looks bad in the press. DC, FU. KTHXBI


Yep. Last November, my old man went to see his doc for dizziness and minor chest pain. She performed a stress test which came back normal, but wanted to be sure so she sent him to a heart specialist. Within a week he'd had an angiogram, whereupon they told him he wouldn't be going home that night. He had bypass surgery the next day. All of this happened in Toronto, and none of it cost him a penny.
 
2012-07-12 10:32:43 AM  

jakomo002: wippit: Should point out that dental IS covered (either 80% or all) for under-18. It's just adults who have to pay.

Yeah, I forgot about that. And dental coverage for kids is a GODSEND to any of us that have had to fix our kid's teeth.

When I was a kid, I had everything. A retainer, a bionator (for overbite), and even one of those headgear things that I had to wear at night. And only my dad worked, my mom was a housewife.

Without that kind of dental coverage, it would have cost them so much money to get all that stuff, that my teeth would look British.

/two sisters who also had some dental done


How do you slrep at night you filthy SOCIALSATANIST!
 
Displayed 50 of 262 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report