Chafed Willi: Today I got aspirin out of my arm rest dealy in my car, which was probably made in china. Does that mean I outsourced my medical treatment to China? I haz a sad :(
Rusty Shackleford: The nonpartisan Himmler Institute reports that Jews may be controlling the international media.
"Not on my network they don't."
Ghastly: Okay.... first of all, people who live in cities near the border like Hamilton, Niagara Falls, and Windsor will sometimes go to hospitals across the border for healthcare if a hospital across the border offers the treatment or has a diagnostic device that is not available at a hospital where they live and the American hospital is closer than a Canadian hospital with the same programme or equipment. This is still covered by our government healthcare. Likewise Americans who live on the border will sometimes come across the border to get treatment in Canada if the treatment or equipment is not available where they live and the Canadian hospital is closer than the nearest American hospital that offers the same treatment or equipment, and if their health insurance will cover it.This is hardly a case of Canadians (or Americans) "fleeing the country" for healthcare.Likewise there are some people (in both Canada and the US) who will travel to "medical tourism" hospitals in countries such as India, Mexico, and Venezuela where they can get treatment in an environment that is more like a luxury resort than a hospital (I stayed in such a hospital in India once, very very nice). They also go there because these countries will offer dangerous, controversial, or experimental treatments and procedures that are not approved in Canada or the US. As far as I know, these procedures will not be covered by our government health care but may be covered or partially covered by private insurance.As I said, cross border healthcare is not unheard of for both Canadian and Americans who live alone the border. The difference between the Canadians going across the border for healthcare and the Americans going across the border for healthcare is our government pays for it when we get treated in an American hospital.
ox45tallboy: For those too lazy to look for the actual report, here's a link. (warning, PDF).For those too lazy to click a link, go run your fat asses around the block a few times, then read these choice excerpts:In 2011, a significant number of Canadians-an estimated46,159-received treatment outside of the country.2 Increasesbetween 2010 and 2011 in the estimated number of patientsgoing outside Canada for treatment were seen in BritishColumbia (5,565 to 9,180), Saskatchewan (943 to 1,221),Manitoba (933 to 1,436), New Brunswick (282 to 526),Nova Scotia (851 to 1,271), Prince Edward Island (44 to 54),and Newfoundland and Labrador (130 to 433). Conversely,Ontario (23,192 to 18,172) saw a decrease in the estimatednumber of patients who received treatment outside Canada.3SNIPIn 2011, 1.0% of all patients in Canadawere estimated to have received non-emergency medicaltreatment outside Canada, the same as in 2010.Wow, a whopping 1%!!! And it's the same as last year!! Clearly, this is a trend towards a breakdown in Canadian Health Care! Of course, this also includes elective surgeries, such as boob jobs, liposuction, and facelifts, but let's not let that ruin a good story...So how about in the good ole US of A? What percentage get non-emergency medical care elsewhere?Well, according to Gallup, 29% would consider going abroad for non-emergency medical treatment. But how many do?Over the last few years, medical tourism has been steadily rising. In 2008, 540,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical procedures. In 2009, that number rose to 648,000, and in 2010 it was 878,000. It is expected to rise to 1,300,000 individuals by this year.So we get 1.3 million, out of 310 million, or 0.41%. Of course, that number comes from the uninsured or under-insured, or those whose insurance company drops them when they get sick, right?Of course, American Health Insurance Providers would NEVER send their patients to another country to receive medical care, right? Right?
unlikely: So then this is a different Fraser institute than the Conservative Right-Libertarian Fraser Institute?
timujin: I wonder if this also includes tourists who go to hospitals in other countries.
ciberido: timujin: I wonder if this also includes tourists who go to hospitals in other countries.I have a kind of running joke that I'm going to write a "guide to hospitals on other continents" considering some of the ones I've been in.Short version: try to stay out of hospitals in Mongolia.
cmb53208: Hmmm, I wonder how many of those 45,000 are Canadian retirees getting health care at hospitals in Florida?
sno man: 19 weeks to get from GP to a specialist and get treated by said specialist
f00f: this is a really shiatty argument. i'm saying this as someone against universal healthcare
butt-nuggets: I've heard that many American women go to Mexico to have a breast implant procedure, because it's way cheaper
limboslam: FTFA: "....an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides elective treatment."Holy crap. Last month the evil American medical system I have to deal with had me wait a whole 5 days from my gp's referral to a specialist. Cost me a whole $10 out of pocket for the whole thing. Well, not counting the $120 I contribute every month to my Employer supplied health insurance. So not too bad. If Obamacare messes this up for me, I'm taking a flamethrower to this place.
Ghastly: I stayed in such a hospital in India once, very very nice
CraicBaby: Yeah, I was just gonna say, aren't they the right-wing group that is trying to get rid of universal healthcare in Canada?
Huck And Molly Ziegler: How many brazilians is that? I never can do international conversions in my head ...
bronyaur1: How does that compare to the number of Ameicans who had Indian surgeries or cross the border to buy pharmaceuticals in Canada or Mexico?
cc_rider: cmb53208: Hmmm, I wonder how many of those 45,000 are Canadian retirees getting health care at hospitals in Florida?Or Canadians who are working abroad.
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