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2012-07-12 01:11:27 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes

Except for this part:

But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package


Oh, and don't forget this part, "Republicans in congress insisted on tax cut extensions for the 'job creators' making over $250,000 a year", which is why we have such a low unemployment rate today.
 
2012-07-12 01:12:53 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jimmysolson: Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

Executive order 11000 was signed by JFK, Obama has signed not even 200 executive orders to date, none of the listed executive orders are Obama's, or even within 1,000 of being his. His first executive order was somewhere in the 13450 neighborhood.


whidbey: Jimmysolson: health...he has it covered.

While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x318]




I know none of you here would out and out lie to me.
I am left to believe the person or persons responsible are spreading falsehoods. :(
 
2012-07-12 01:16:15 AM  

FlashHarry: Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.

also FTA: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package. The lowest fifth of earners saw the most dramatic decrease, paying an average tax rate of 1 percent compared to 5.1 percent in 2007.

either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat.


To all you farking farkers who talk about OTHER people needing to pay "their fair share"...if you are part of the 50% who pay nothing feel free to STFU and DIAF. I am sick of paying for people to smoke and shiat out more kids.

If you are paying half your money to Uncle Sam like us working stiffs, then feel free to comment.
 
2012-07-12 01:16:19 AM  

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!


Unless they live in one of the 45 states that have a sales tax, then they get taxed on their relief money. Oops!
 
2012-07-12 01:16:42 AM  

seventypercent: Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

Oh, I'm sure the person who sent you this is a height-weight proportional, non-Hoveround-riding, triple-digit IQ, non-kiddie-diddler who does not spend the majority of his waking hours shoving entire chocolate cakes into his mouth with the heel of his hand. This guy seems legit.


Oh oh, differing opinions, now I'm confused!
 
2012-07-12 01:27:55 AM  
But he wanted to use tax dollars to provide health care for blah people.

This is unacceptable.
 
2012-07-12 01:29:27 AM  
In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year

Yeah, thought so.
 
2012-07-12 01:37:54 AM  

here to help: untaken_name: here to help: yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things.

/just sayin'

You're not helping. You should be helping. Isn't that why you're here?

Oh fine...

*rubs untaken_name's feet*

...

dude... fungicide, brah. It smells like grandmas vagina and a cheese shop wrestling to the death down here.


Sorry, bro, I should stop jogging in my crocs. Also, you shouldn't know how your grandmother's vagina smells. I mean, that's just wrong. Also, use a heavier touch. That tickles.
 
2012-07-12 01:44:14 AM  

NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?

Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow.

What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible.

Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation.


Nice to see someone else has the same take on the situation as I do. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think this all started with that prick Reagan. Everything became schmooze and image.
 
2012-07-12 01:45:24 AM  
Bwaahahaha! Tell that to my tax return! I know what I paid over the last 8 years. I don't need some biased political hack to piss on my and tell me it's raining.
 
2012-07-12 01:49:25 AM  

TenJed_77: Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think this all started with that prick Reagan.


Not even close. Look about 70 years farther back.
 
2012-07-12 01:55:53 AM  

Ceiling Moran: Sherman Potter: Obama is the greatest President ever, and I don't know why we don't make him President for life. People are so stupid. Why can they see that government will fix everything if only the Tea Baggers would go away.

0/10


Crap. Really? Zero?

I suck.
 
2012-07-12 02:00:11 AM  

Shirley Ujest: My condolences. We've gone through nearly the same path with my FIL.

Being in the same room with him is painful because OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY vomits out of him. It is all Fox News fault.


After my Mother in Law died, my wife's father hooked up with this dumb as a box of rocks woman who hates Obama and thinks Sarah Palin is the bee's knees. He seems to have followed her into the Pit of Despair. Funny thing is, her being from the "Party of Personal Responsibility" and all, when they got together, she was upside-down in her house, and her car was on the verge of being repossessed. He bought her car for her, and immediately got her something to drive that she liked better. He got her out from under her house. Now she works about 20 hours a week, and just sucks up the retirement that he worked 2 jobs for just as he's finally ready to retire. She sees something she wants and they get it. She decides they want a horse, and adopt not one, not even two, but four, and then when one turns out to be pregnant, she decides they will be keeping the colt as well. Now her wages are supposed to be at least paying for the horses(Since she doesn't pay for anything else), yet he keeps paying for things like a trailer, a truck to pull the trailer with, vet bills, etc.

A 50 year old woman without a single adult bone in her body, no ability to come into an already existing family and fit in(The grandkids the predated her by a full decade are suddenly a 'nuisance'.), and no financial sense at all is sure that ALL of her problems only started 3 years ago, ignoring the fact that all of her financial crap went way before that.

Luckily, I dropped out of the FWD: FWD: FWD: list pretty quickly after a few reply all's pointing out the logical fallacies in whatever dish of derp she was passing on.

It's a shame, too, because my father in law could do a LOT better. Of course, so could anyone in a relationship with a nutball Tea Bagger, I guess.
 
2012-07-12 02:17:40 AM  

G-Rot: >

Hey look, that was three years ago during Obama's first year in office when he had nothing to do with said tax rate.

/So you CAN thank Bush
//and the Republicans
///moron


Oh cute, another illiterate who got mommy to read part of the article for him. Go smack her upside the head, she left THIS part out:
Although figures are only available through 2009, the CBO expects to see the historic lows maintained through 2010 and 2011.

To be fair, it WAS in the second half of the second paragraph, and she was on a tight schedule. I TOLD her what I'd do if she was late with my sandwich again.
 
2012-07-12 02:19:29 AM  

theMightyRegeya: /I don't care, I get 50mpg
//sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people


Depends on where those miles are. I'd like to see your Prius come up into the mountains with my stock Jeep Cherokee.

//Sure it sounds smug, but at least I can be a nice guy and pull your little hybrid out of a snowbank.
 
2012-07-12 02:26:51 AM  

GeneralJim: Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point.



Dan Rather's report was 100% correct

Bush was MIA for months after he was supposed to report for duty in Arkansas.
 
2012-07-12 02:31:29 AM  

GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.



I love how you factor in business bailouts, tax cuts, as part of the spending equation, but seem to completely ignore the line called revenue that keeps dropping and dropping except for some made up "projected" increase
 
2012-07-12 02:32:30 AM  

MyRandomName: So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more!



The depression wiped out wealth for 80% of Americans. Of course the wealthy with their huge piece of the pie are going to show a bigger portion of taxes paid because of that.
 
2012-07-12 02:48:08 AM  

intelligent comment below: MyRandomName: So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more!


The depression wiped out wealth for 80% of Americans. Of course the wealthy with their huge piece of the pie are going to show a bigger portion of taxes paid because of that.


If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes.
 
2012-07-12 02:54:49 AM  

theMightyRegeya: pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault

I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!"

Oh, there were liberals who blamed Bush. But yeah, people like me...I had no sympathy for people who bought the ginormous SUVs. Naturally, as the owner of a hybrid, I get all kinds of shiat about stupid liberals and their stupid liberal cars.

/I don't care, I get 50mpg
//sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people


You also paid more for the car, and if it is a Prius it will take you around 13 years to make up the price difference.
Hell, I get 40mpg with my 2.2l turbo diesel, that I bought used, and the VW Golf VI 2.0l that my fiancée has gets 52mg.
/go be smug somewhere else
 
2012-07-12 02:58:17 AM  
FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.
 
2012-07-12 03:32:14 AM  

eggrolls: FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.


Well, *something* pertaining to that post is certainly simple.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."

"I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises."

-- Henry Morgenthau Jr., Secretary of the Treasury under FDR
These statements were made in 1939.
 
2012-07-12 04:26:44 AM  

untaken_name: If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes.



Logic, do you have it?

If the wealthy top 1% control 40% of the wealth, and the top 10% control 85% of the wealth, they end up paying more than everyone else.

Your argument is a one sided attempt to hide the fact that the wealthy have never controlled so much wealth yet paid so little in taxes.
 
2012-07-12 05:03:36 AM  

intelligent comment below: untaken_name: If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes.


Logic, do you have it?

If the wealthy top 1% control 40% of the wealth, and the top 10% control 85% of the wealth, they end up paying more than everyone else.

Your argument is a one sided attempt to hide the fact that the wealthy have never controlled so much wealth yet paid so little in taxes.


I'm not attempting to hide anything. You're the moron who's implying that because the wealthy own more now than they ever have, that's why they pay a larger portion of taxes. But the truth is that the top 10% of taxpayers has ALWAYS paid a larger portion of taxes. From the time the income tax was instituted, the top 10% of taxpayers has invariably paid the largest portion of taxes. This was true even when the tax was only levied on the top 1% of income earners. So how is the fact that they pay a larger portion of taxes at all germane to the fact that they control more now than they ever have? They have always paid a larger portion of taxes. Yes, the ultra-rich are using the ignorance of the masses to effect a massive wealth transfer the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1930s. But that has nothing at all to do with the portion of taxes they pay, and everything to do with the usurious practices of our banks, other financial institutions, and governments.
 
2012-07-12 05:22:36 AM  

Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.


Here's one more for the spin cycle:

Since, as Obama had repeatedly claimed, he inherited the recession then it would make sense that Bush is responsible for tax decline.
 
2012-07-12 05:23:21 AM  

Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

After the announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years.

I found this article in Western Journalism that scares me and should frighten all of us.

Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous.....

A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders

JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH


There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

* Executive Ord ...


You could block that person, OR you could debunk to them that pile of bullshiat with help from the National Archives website which has indexes of all Executive orders from 1937 to the present.

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

Here's the original source of that "information". Note that she even made a correction about her original claims, but surely not before it was FW: FW: FW:'d thousands of times. Link
 
2012-07-12 05:50:36 AM  

untaken_name: ot even close. Look about 70 years farther back.

You do realize that would be 1942? Yeah right, I'm sure you do.
/trolls more and more everyday.
 
2012-07-12 06:48:15 AM  
austin_millbarge:
dickfreckle: Maybe you should stop extrapolating one or two stupid posts into what all liberals believe.

THIS

and there isn't a font big enough to emphasize it enough

Yeah, and leftists should stop doing the same to conservatives -- or reading from the one racist moron who shows up at a TEA Party meeting, and has EVERY photographer take his picture, and EVERY correspondent interview him.

And, "What you REALLY mean," "What you're trying to do," and any phrase like that, phrases that indicate you know what someone is thinking, should be just dropped, as well.
 
2012-07-12 06:52:07 AM  

MyRandomName: Coco LaFemme: The thing that always gives me the tickles, is you hear these Teatards ranting and raving about how we need to go back to the "good ol' days", which means when blacks and women were subservient to their white male overlords, but what they don't also realize is back in the "good ol' days", the marginal tax rate was in the 90th percentile. It's what, 36% percent now? If 36% is too much and worthy of a revolt, what the fark would these crackers do at 90% or more? Spontaneously combust?

Not to mention, those fat assholes on the Hoveround scooters wouldn't have Medicare to pay for it, since there was no Medicare until 1965. Or Medicaid either.

Wow, ignorance abounds! Comparing the marginal tax rates means jack shiats without accounting for AGI. There were many more loopholes under those tax codes.


Most racists are, in fact, ignorant. It seems to be either a cause or very closely related.
 
2012-07-12 07:03:04 AM  
KimNorth:
How did you post in green print??

By inserting the HTML code into the message. See how HERE. Get a chart of available colors HERE.
 
2012-07-12 07:05:05 AM  

TenJed_77: untaken_name: ot even close. Look about 70 years farther back.
You do realize that would be 1942? Yeah right, I'm sure you do.
/trolls more and more everyday.


No, dude, I said SEVENTY years before 1980. The answer is obviously 1839. DUMBASS.
 
2012-07-12 07:16:02 AM  
Yay, we're all making less money than ever....congrats Obamatrons!
 
2012-07-12 07:32:45 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: shotglasss: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.

And the blacks will vote for Obama because?????

He's black, no other reason.

Naturally. Why, if Hillary was president, she wouldn't get a single black vote.


Uhh.......no. My ex-husband is black (as am I). When the primary was going on in 2007/2008, he was supporting Hilary Clinton and I was supporting Barack Obama. In fact, he acted like he couldn't stand Obama. I actually think that he was jealous. Just saying.
 
2012-07-12 07:35:40 AM  

ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference?


Didn't President Obama lower the payroll tax? That had nothing to do with Bush.
 
2012-07-12 07:42:56 AM  

GeneralJim: dickfreckle: Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.
Now you know how rational people feel watching others be programmed by the MSM. Most of you don't believe something happened if it doesn't appear on MSM. It's a lot like Soviet state-run media.

It's not at ALL like Fox is out there trying to influence opinion, while the MSM gives you the straight facts. Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Whether someone watches only Fox, or only MSM, they are not getting the full story. To be informed one should watch (assuming only TV news...) MSM or Fox, whichever they prefer, for no more than 75% of the time, and watch the OTHER for at least 25%. That way, you will at least be exposed to issues that "your" side is covering up.

Look up old clips from when CNN started out -- man, they were straight-up objective, and it was great. That didn't last long. Once Ted Turner started banging Hanoi Jane Fonda, the leftist slant came in. Coincidence? I dunno, but it seems likely that the little head started "directing" the news so as to reduce turmoil on the home front.


Ummm.....I watch CNN in order not to have a slant. We know watching MSNBC will lead a left slant and FOX will have a right slant. I haven't seen the left slant that you claim on CNN. I appreciate that during conversations, they have more than one representative from the opposing viewpoints. I think that it's a shame that on FOXNews, Juan Williams is the resident "LIBERAL" (even though he is not terribly left leaning) and he gets shouted down by three other right leaning show guests. At least CNN will have 5 right leaning and 5 left leaning. Then they report the numbers. That's it. I appreciate that.
 
2012-07-12 07:47:22 AM  

kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc.


If you work, and your income remains steady, it is true. Remember, Obamacare and the laws it puts in place will increase all kinds of taxes and introduce tons more. Why do you think he made sure it does not take effect until well after the election?

Making everyone poor then saying you lowered their taxes is pretty goddamn dumb. But, liberals fall for it.
 
2012-07-12 07:47:36 AM  

OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias.

Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral.




THIS
 
2012-07-12 07:51:15 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.


Heh...if his pollster told him to, Romney would dye his skin.

He's changed every OTHER position he's ever held...
 
2012-07-12 07:52:12 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be.


Yep. How dare Obama consider raising taxes to REAGAN era level?
 
2012-07-12 07:54:45 AM  

browntimmy: The_Original_Roxtar: When I was making 30k per year less than I am now, I was also paying a lower tax rate.

Nice way to spin "people are making a farkton less money" into a positive for obama.

So please explain how this justifies the Tea Party again.


As soon as you explain how that has anything to do with the statement I made.
 
2012-07-12 07:57:49 AM  

TenJed_77: theMightyRegeya: pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault

I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!"

Oh, there were liberals who blamed Bush. But yeah, people like me...I had no sympathy for people who bought the ginormous SUVs. Naturally, as the owner of a hybrid, I get all kinds of shiat about stupid liberals and their stupid liberal cars.

/I don't care, I get 50mpg
//sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people

You also paid more for the car, and if it is a Prius it will take you around 13 years to make up the price difference.
Hell, I get 40mpg with my 2.2l turbo diesel, that I bought used, and the VW Golf VI 2.0l that my fiancée has gets 52mg.
/go be smug somewhere else


Depends...I got my Honda Civic hybrid for the same price as a regular Civic.
 
2012-07-12 08:00:20 AM  
You mean to tell me when nobody is making any money that the avg tax rate will go down? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell ya.
 
2012-07-12 08:00:52 AM  

Virtual_Mischief: the801: i blame the jews. they created the whole 'tea party' thing to spread any disinformation they wanted to the lower middle class unintelligent people. wily jews. go find all of the chief executives of your favorite oppressive local government, and the find all of the freemasons in that aspect of government. the number you get will be way more than 50

not_sure_if_serious.exe


Hope he answer until then he stays marked for that comment.
 
2012-07-12 08:05:06 AM  
So we agree that lower taxes is generally a good thing then, right?
 
2012-07-12 08:09:59 AM  

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.


Yes it is, and it has EVERYTHING to do with Obama.

and "in part", my butt. If the people who pay the highest marginal rates dont make as much money, the average rate is going to drop. who doesent understand this, except for Subby, I mean.
 
2012-07-12 08:10:48 AM  

untaken_name: eggrolls: FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.

Well, *something* pertaining to that post is certainly simple.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."

"I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises."

-- Henry Morgenthau Jr., Secretary of the Treasury under FDR
These statements were made in 1939.


Here's a tip...just because some Beck-tard's book makes it into a Wikipedia cite, doesn't make it true.

Go read a REAL book.
 
2012-07-12 08:14:40 AM  

cc_rider: Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

After the announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years.

I found this article in Western Journalism that scares me and should frighten all of us.

Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous.....

A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders

JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH


There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

* ...


what pisses me off about this chain email is that the author could have investigated it properly before putting it out. Instead, she put out crap and this crap is getting sent around the internet as if it were fact. How irresponsible of the author. She should have her internet privileges taken away for 10 years.
 
2012-07-12 08:23:10 AM  

untaken_name: eggrolls: FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.

Well, *something* pertaining to that post is certainly simple.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."

"I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises."

-- Henry Morgenthau Jr., Secretary of the Treasury under FDR
These statements were made in 1939.


And didn't he look like an ass by 1944.

Seriously, his influence on economic policy is widely considered the reason for the 'depression within the depression' of 1937 when FDR did enact sweeping cuts to New Deal programs and many other entitlements, and the recovery faltered. Also, keep in mind he was the one who developed Social Security, and spearheaded the idea that it be paid for with a payroll tax. He hated deficit spending yes, but he was just a much bigger advocate of taxing the rich to balance the budget. I'd be cool with that, too. Besides, don't you want the guy in charge of your checkbook to be a little more conservative with your money than you are?

And don't assume being glib means uninformed.
 
2012-07-12 08:26:54 AM  

Nil Tu Aris: So we agree that lower taxes is generally a good thing then, right?


They're a good thing for economic growth, if you give them to people who will spend the extra money rather than hoard it.
 
2012-07-12 08:29:53 AM  

Thunderpipes: kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc.

If you work, and your income remains steady, it is true. Remember, Obamacare and the laws it puts in place will increase all kinds of taxes and introduce tons more. Why do you think he made sure it does not take effect until well after the election?

Making everyone poor then saying you lowered their taxes is pretty goddamn dumb. But, liberals fall for it.



Uh...no. But nice try.

3/10

Come on. You can do better than that.
 
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