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2012-07-11 11:31:42 PM

OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias.

Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral.


WHOOSH!
 
2012-07-11 11:32:51 PM

rohar: ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference?

Oh, but they did. Maybe not for you, but rates changed quite dramatically.


Is giving people tax credits who paid no taxes or got all their money back that they paid in plus thousand more a rate change?
 
2012-07-11 11:33:18 PM

OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias.

Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral.


You must be new here.
 
2012-07-11 11:33:18 PM
Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be.
 
2012-07-11 11:35:34 PM

KimNorth: Hobodeluxe: KimNorth: Did anyone R-E-A-D the story? The reason for lower taxes paid was because no one has a job......

Subby trolled you, you got trolled.

actually it says that the taxes are 4% lower on the bottom 50% too. but you're free to omit that if you like.

Well that is given to the lower 50% on and off for like ever. The point is it adds to lower taxes paid now is because that 50% of lower wage earners has gotten bottom barrel low. So yes I guess I did omit it as it means nothing.


wrong. there's 100 million or so that got an extra 4% off their taxes. and it was off their social security deduction. so even those who owed nothing from making too little still got cut.
 
2012-07-11 11:36:06 PM

Omnivorous: All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over $250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check.

Just like I thank the NRA for gun control. The TEA party assholes were the first to push for wars in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan "because they would pay for themselves." That's Dickhead Cheney's line too.


Even though I'm against gun control, I don't care for the NRA...but don't drag the TEA Party into the wars. At least, not those early TEA Partiers. Those guys tended to be Ron Paul nuts. Say what you will about them, but they aren't keen on this American Empire nonsense, and were unhappy with mainstream Republicans as well as Democrats. I blame them for not throwing a fit when it was clear the Republican party was taking over, though. "Oh, but it's giving us more exposure!" Yeah, how's that going for you, Skippy?
 
2012-07-11 11:39:05 PM
I've only scanned the thread. Anybody note that rates went UP for the top 1% but down for everyone else? I'm sure if the opposite were true we'd have had a headline and 400 posts whining about it.
 
2012-07-11 11:39:29 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be.


You might want to look into that Romney character.

/voting for Alfred E. Newman
//he's not worried
 
2012-07-11 11:40:45 PM

Hobodeluxe: OgreMagi: There's that whole "fiscal responsibility" thing that is part of the Tea Party platform. Low taxes are a temporary delusion when the government is spending so much and so fast that higher taxes are guaranteed in the near future.

I swear all these "conservative" politicians here are all spouting the same shiat in their ads. "Govt spending is killing jobs"

*facepalm*

Austerity measures ,cutting back on govt staff,is killing jobs.
Our stupid trade policies are killing jobs.
incentives for outsourcing is killing jobs.

Jesus Christ people grow a farking brain.


You haven't been paying attention to the world economy. NATIONS are going broke because they over spent too much for too long and now it's time to pay up, but they can't.

Yes, cutting government staff causes lost jobs. But they are usually useless jobs that produce nothing. Those useless jobs have to be paid for by someone. And that someone is the lucky people who still have jobs. Basic econ. A job has to produce value. Either in goods or services. Government jobs are self perpetuating. Government regulations force you to require a government service that almost never gives you anything of value in return. Even a teenage girl babysitting your kid produces more value than almost all government jobs combined because the value she provides is free time for you to spend as you please.

Note I said "a.most all government jobs". Some are important and worth the money we spend, e.g. roads to drive on, but the pencil pushing bureaucrat who's only job is to make sure you've dotted every i and crossed every t is sucking up your time and your effort for absolutely nothing of worth.

And I'm not a conservative. I'm a social liberal who understands basic math.
 
2012-07-11 11:41:33 PM

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.


Nothing ever does.
 
2012-07-11 11:41:41 PM
Um, Slate, a crashed and near-depression economy will do that. So... thanks for reminding everyone that the economic crash mostly occurred during Obama's first term, then?

I know you're trying to propagandize in favor of the Obama administration, but if this is the result of your efforts then as an Obama voter I'm gonna have to ask you to stop farking helping.
 
2012-07-11 11:41:47 PM

NewportBarGuy: What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible.


That's probably because businesses exist to make profits, not to employ people or provide services. If they could have zero employees, zero overhead, and lots of profit, that would be the ideal situation for them. This is why very few people get rich working for other people. If you're waiting for people to stop running companies for profit and start running them for the benefit of the employees, you're going to die waiting.
 
2012-07-11 11:42:44 PM

NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?

Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow.

What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible.

Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation.


This!!!
 
2012-07-11 11:45:16 PM

NewportBarGuy: Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow.


ding ding ding

That is the correct answer. The fact that wages, with the exception of minimum wage and the highest corporate wages, are pretty much the same now as they were 25 years ago doesn't help.

The only influence the President, no matter who he is, has on the economy is one of perception. People like the President, the economy is good, people hate the President, the economy is bad. The fact that the last two Presidents were vilified by about half the population helps no one.

//oversimplification
 
2012-07-11 11:51:20 PM
yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things.

/just sayin'
 
2012-07-11 11:53:13 PM
Teabaggers are all at Bubba's Bait & Ammo stocking up for the election.
 
2012-07-11 11:54:34 PM

here to help: yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things.

/just sayin'


You're not helping. You should be helping. Isn't that why you're here?
 
2012-07-11 11:54:54 PM
"The new CBO report shows Americans paid historic low tax rates during Obama's first year in office."


The FIRST year. The rest have pretty much sucked.

IF a repubehair was in there, the headline would be "3 years of higher taxes. When President Whatshisname (D) was in charge, we enjoyed good tax rates. Now we have only had one good year. What the Fark happened since then?

I cannot stand a double standard.

VOTE. EVERY. MOTHER. farkER. OUT. OF. OFFICE. THIS. ELECTION.
 
2012-07-11 11:55:36 PM

netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad.


2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.


Both sides are bad so vote Republican?
 
2012-07-11 11:55:44 PM

dickfreckle: Would you forgive your family member's drug dealer, even though he's not directly responsible? Probably not. And that's how I feel about FOX and the rest of the window-licker diarrhea out there. They galvanize legions of the misinformed, which translates into a negative for society.


I wouldn't "forgive" him because I wouldn't blame the drug dealer at all, so long as there wasn't a "gun to the head" situation. It would be my drug user relative's fault for getting into it. Similarly, would you blame Gillette for a cutter's scars?

Faux News isn't at fault. Your dad is. You're shifting the blame. Which I can understand as you said that you idolized your dad. Anything to lessen the blow, I guess.
 
2012-07-11 11:56:30 PM

Jim_Callahan: Um, Slate, a crashed and near-depression economy will do that. So... thanks for reminding everyone that the economic crash mostly occurred during Obama's first term, then?

I know you're trying to propagandize in favor of the Obama administration, but if this is the result of your efforts then as an Obama voter I'm gonna have to ask you to stop farking helping.


I was laid-off the day after Obama won the election, so I know it must have been mostly his fault.
 
2012-07-11 11:57:11 PM
PisnNapalm:
Lets not forget about the fastest racking up of national debt EVAR!!! Give me a higher tax rate and stop racking up national debt. Balance the god damn budget!

I'd certainly say that we collect a high enough rate of taxes. If the economy weren't in the shiatter, government income would be rolling in. But, using recent history, if government pulls in "X", Congress manages to spend about "X * 1.5" I think I've located the problem.

Another problem: ALL of the really big expenses are somebody's sacred cow. All of the sacred cows need to become hamburger...

Democrats have to give up useless welfare, that is, welfare that goes out as a bunch of checks to those unwilling to work. Welfare needs to be a job working for the government. For most people, "Sit on your arse and do what you want" is preferable to "go to work every day," unless the pay difference is significant. Some people, I am sure, would even take a "pay cut" if they went to work. So, eliminate that crap. You go somewhere and do something for your money, whatever it is. Watch the people FLY off of welfare roles if that is the case.

Additionally, after a suitable "clean-up" period, people should have to prove they are not on drugs to collect welfare. People WITH jobs are often subject to drug testing, most people upon hiring, so why should we pay people to do drugs?

And, Republicans have to give up the huge bloated carcass that is the current military. We have to give up occupying half the world militarily, and stop interfering with every government in the world. We should also get the hell out of our treaties that put us at war if essentially ANYONE is attacked. Sure, we can still defend Europe -- but only if they are willing to pay for their defense. It's time that the German, for instance, defense is paid for by German, rather than American taxpayers -- one way or the other. The same for everyone else, too. Three choices: 1. Start defending yourselves; 2. Pay the U.S. to defend you; 3. Hope the Russian bear isn't hungry.

Additionally, we can't be so bothered with reducing enemy casualties. If someone actually attacks us, make it hurt. We can do that without engaging millions of people to keep hundreds of thousands on the ground, and run around looking for IEDs. Bomb the crap out of SOMETHING, and let people know that attacking us WILL hurt them more than they hurt us, so back the Hell off. Crude but effective.

Yep, EVERYBODY will biatch about that, but that is what we need to do. Ending the idea that welfare is a right will save a buttload of money. Also, staying the fark out of most of the world will make us ever so much less likely to be attacked.

THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-11 11:58:26 PM

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!


Orly? I remember having to pay tax on my unemployment benefits when I was laid off...
 
2012-07-11 11:59:13 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House.


Oh, please. You can't be that far out of touch with reality. They simply can't stand having anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan in the White House (for that matter, I think even a reincarnated Reagan might be too far left for some of them).

Many of the same ones that make racist-sounding remarks about Obama would be lining up around the block to be campaign volunteers for a black Presidential candidate - IF he (or she) was sufficiently right-wing. That's not being hypothetical - I personally know Teabaggers who fit that characterization perfectly. Regardless of what terms the bigoted ones use when being bigoted, for most of them at the root it's ideological, not racist (if Hillary had been President instead of Obama, they'd be making sexist remarks about her - in between rants about how horribly Democrats and the media treated Sarah Palin, of course).

Give a Teabagger a Presidential candidate who enthusiastically follows the Tea Party platform and he'll happily pull the lever for that candidate, regardless of gender and regardless of racial heritage - European, African, Hispanic, Native American, Oriental, Arab, Polynesian, Martian, he won't care.
 
2012-07-12 12:00:20 AM

GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.


Good thing we aren't spending a metric asstonne of money on prisons for drug offenders and funding two wars in the middle east. Oh wait...
 
2012-07-12 12:00:49 AM

Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.


That's also called SLATE.COM.

/ I'd expect it from FOX News too if a Republican was Prez.
 
2012-07-12 12:02:09 AM

cretinbob: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

[www.clowder.net image 352x353]

//never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?


no Hypnotoad?
 
2012-07-12 12:02:12 AM

GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.


If incomes hadn't been stagnant for 30 years, we wouldn't be having that problem now. And unless income stagnation ends, we're going to have worse problems.
 
2012-07-12 12:03:13 AM

MyRandomName: Are those "other cuts" the Bush tax cuts the liberals rail on? You don't say... So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more!


No, no they were not the Bush tax cuts. The Obama stimulus package had $237 billion in tax cuts, and more than $100 billion of those were targeted at lower and middle class households, They included things like "Increase Eligibility for the Refundable Portion of Child Credit." and "Computers as Qualified Education Expenses in 529 Education Plans."

Oh heck, you would know that if you really cared, wouldn't you? It's all out there on the webs.
 
2012-07-12 12:06:42 AM

lockers: Kenny B: Blame Bush?

Actually, I blame the 30 year credit bubble that burst. Everyone was along on that ride. But sure, let's focus on the happenstance.


George W. Bush, Mitchell McConnell, John Boehner and the GOP Bankrupted America

*The "Great" recession
*SEC fiasco (Madoff, et al)
*costly blunder known as Medicare part D
*massive tax cuts without spending cuts
*numerous unfunded mandates imposed on the states
*not one veto of a spending bill in 6 years
*Wall Street bailout

Bush Administration worst fiscal disaster in US history
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/66778/roger-c-altman-and-richa r d-n-haass/american-profligacy-and-american-power

Economic Damage Caused by Bush and the GOP
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/09/closing-the-book- o n-the-bush-legacy/26402

8 Years of Failure
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1872229_18 7 2230_1872231,00.html

Bush/Boehner/McConnell $700 billion bailout
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/bush.bailout/index.html

Bush/Boehner/McConnell bailout rewards the cheaters
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_7655582

What Bush Learned From Enron: How to hide an $87 billion debt by pretending it's off the books.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2088318/

Is Bush a socialist? He's spending like one
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article570387.ece

Bush pleads with China and Japan to save him from his economic failures.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-10-19-bush-china-japan_x . htm

Bush White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1&em=&page w anted=all
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR200 8 021302783.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020617-2.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/2004 0 809-9.html

Bush's Minority Homeownership Plan Rests Heavily on Fannie and Freddie (2006)
http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20020624_bushplan.htm
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-heads / 5944494-1.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2004-01-20-fha_x.htm

Community Reinvestment Act not to blame for Bush's crisis
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_su b prime_crisis
http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/pagenum/all/%23page_start
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/ c ommunity_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/03/feds-kroszner-defends-commu n ity-reinvestment-act/

The $10 trillion hangover: paying the price for 8 years of Bush
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/0082337
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/09/cheney-bush-left-gm-bankruptcy-for - the-next-guy/

Bush Administration waste and fraud
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1152ap_wartime_spending_oversi g ht.html?source=mypi

In June 1995, Boehner distributed campaign contributions from tobacco industry lobbyists on the House floor as House members were weighing how to vote on tobacco subsidies.[19] In a 1996 documentary by PBS called The People and the Power Game, Boehner said "They asked me to give out a half dozen checks quickly before we got to the end of the month and I complied. And I did it on the House floor."

On September 18, 2008, Congressman Boehner attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day (trade effective the next day), Congressman Boehner cashed out of an equity mutual fund.[31]

On October 3, 2008 Boehner voted in favor of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP),[32] believing that the enumerated powers grant Congress the authority to "purchase assets and equity from financial institutions in order to strengthen its financial sector."
 
2012-07-12 12:07:42 AM

KimNorth: rohar: ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference?

Oh, but they did. Maybe not for you, but rates changed quite dramatically.

Is giving people tax credits who paid no taxes or got all their money back that they paid in plus thousand more a rate change?


No, but tax cuts for the rich in exchange for raising the debt limit did happen. So did tax cuts as part of the recovery act. You can spin it all you like, but there it is.
 
2012-07-12 12:09:02 AM

theMightyRegeya: Smeggy Smurf: Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be.

You might want to look into that Romney character.

/voting for Alfred E. Newman
//he's not worried


No thanks. I'm not going to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. That's insane. I'm voting Libertarian. The same shiat different day thing has to stop.
 
2012-07-12 12:09:09 AM

Mean Daddy: Now if I could only get a job so I could pay taxes. Details, details, details...


Start a business.
 
2012-07-12 12:09:39 AM
Not for lack of trying. Any one of his budgets that will never see the light of day would increase taxes dramatically.

/O.K., for lack of trying.
 
2012-07-12 12:10:42 AM

Smeggy Smurf: No thanks. I'm not going to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. That's insane. I'm voting Libertarian. The same shiat different day thing has to stop.


Cause Libertarians are really good with the idea of pressuring the private sector to fix up things like 30 years of stagnant wages.
 
2012-07-12 12:12:10 AM
Debating with a Repulican is like teaching a pig to dance.It only frustrates you and angers the pig.
 
2012-07-12 12:13:22 AM

untaken_name: here to help: yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things.

/just sayin'

You're not helping. You should be helping. Isn't that why you're here?


Oh fine...

*rubs untaken_name's feet*

...

dude... fungicide, brah. It smells like grandmas vagina and a cheese shop wrestling to the death down here.
 
2012-07-12 12:17:07 AM
Obama is the greatest President ever, and I don't know why we don't make him President for life. People are so stupid. Why can they see that government will fix everything if only the Tea Baggers would go away.
 
2012-07-12 12:18:49 AM

Sherman Potter: Obama is the greatest President ever, and I don't know why we don't make him President for life. People are so stupid. Why can they see that government will fix everything if only the Tea Baggers would go away.


0/10
 
2012-07-12 12:20:49 AM

GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.


Please, for the love of Christ, don't ever speak of economic matters from this day forward. Take up macramé or something. You have no f*cking idea what you are talking about and should really move on to a subject you can grasp. Try sports! You call call into sports radio and scream about how some team sucks. You'll love it.

Thanks for your understanding. I'm not calling you stupid, you just choose to talk about a subject you have no idea about. It happens all the time. You'll get over it.
 
2012-07-12 12:24:23 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.


The Tea Party candidate was Herman Cain. I guess that means you must be a great big giant farking idiot.
 
2012-07-12 12:25:09 AM
Yeah Sherman.Obama started a war over a fictitious threat that cost over a trillion.Under Obama the twin towers were knocked down while he read my pet goat. Obama stated he didn't care about Bin Laden.The economy collapsed under Obama as he was the first to prop up the banking system.
Obama's staff have been involved with countless scandels and when called to explain could nt remember a single thing.Obama tried to rig the justice system to be beholden to his party.God i could go on ad naseum.
The only problem the right has with Obama is he isn't "one of them". That and he has a social conscience.Fear and consumption,the credo of the right.
 
2012-07-12 12:30:51 AM
I say end the War On Drugs, or at the very least the war on pot. Legalize it and tax the hell out of it. That creates a huge revenue stream, and cuts the cost of law enforcement. It's ridiculous that pot is lumped in with coke, heroin, crack, meth, etc. Watch an episode of Mike and Molly sometime. Her sister is a total pothead on the show, and it's hilarious. Not so much if she's snorting/injecting herself.

Second, I actually agree with GeneralJim. Cut the hell out of our military budget, we should not have troops in countries if we aren't reimbursed for protecting them.

One more thing. TenP0unds0fCheese is a worthless COCK.
 
2012-07-12 12:37:31 AM

GeneralJim: PisnNapalm: Lets not forget about the fastest racking up of national debt EVAR!!! Give me a higher tax rate and stop racking up national debt. Balance the god damn budget!
I'd certainly say that we collect a high enough rate of taxes. If the economy weren't in the shiatter, government income would be rolling in. But, using recent history, if government pulls in "X", Congress manages to spend about "X * 1.5" I think I've located the problem.

Another problem: ALL of the really big expenses are somebody's sacred cow. All of the sacred cows need to become hamburger...

Democrats have to give up useless welfare, that is, welfare that goes out as a bunch of checks to those unwilling to work. Welfare needs to be a job working for the government. For most people, "Sit on your arse and do what you want" is preferable to "go to work every day," unless the pay difference is significant. Some people, I am sure, would even take a "pay cut" if they went to work. So, eliminate that crap. You go somewhere and do something for your money, whatever it is. Watch the people FLY off of welfare roles if that is the case.

Additionally, after a suitable "clean-up" period, people should have to prove they are not on drugs to collect welfare. People WITH jobs are often subject to drug testing, most people upon hiring, so why should we pay people to do drugs?

And, Republicans have to give up the huge bloated carcass that is the current military. We have to give up occupying half the world militarily, and stop interfering with every government in the world. We should also get the hell out of our treaties that put us at war if essentially ANYONE is attacked. Sure, we can still defend Europe -- but only if they are willing to pay for their defense. It's time that the German, for instance, defense is paid for by German, rather than American taxpayers -- one way or the other. The same for everyone else, too. Three choices: 1. Start defending yourselves; 2. Pay the U.S. to de ...

Corporate welfare,farm subsidies Jim.These are the real problems,not helping the poor live.
 
2012-07-12 12:39:10 AM
Chevron, which made $26.9 billion profit in 2011, paid 19 percent:
Citizens for Tax Justice considers U.S. profits and U.S. taxes paid only. By that measure, Exxon Mobil paid 13 percent of its U.S. income in taxes after deductions and benefits in 2011, according to a Reuters calculation of securities filings.
It is a far cry from the 35 percent top corporate tax rate.
 
2012-07-12 12:40:47 AM
Mr.Man: Don't forget oil subsidies, and the crazy low tax on capital gains...
 
2012-07-12 12:42:42 AM
I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

After the announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years.

I found this article in Western Journalism that scares me and should frighten all of us.

Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous.....

A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders

JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH


There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

* Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

* Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.

* Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

* Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health...he has it covered.

While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.
 
2012-07-12 12:48:22 AM

Jimmysolson: Should I block messages from this person who sent it?


Executive order 11000 was signed by JFK, Obama has signed not even 200 executive orders to date, none of the listed executive orders are Obama's, or even within 1,000 of being his. His first executive order was somewhere in the 13450 neighborhood.
 
2012-07-12 12:55:20 AM

Jimmysolson: health...he has it covered.

While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.


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2012-07-12 01:04:02 AM

Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?


Oh, I'm sure the person who sent you this is a height-weight proportional, non-Hoveround-riding, triple-digit IQ, non-kiddie-diddler who does not spend the majority of his waking hours shoving entire chocolate cakes into his mouth with the heel of his hand. This guy seems legit.
 
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