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2012-07-11 09:55:35 PM  

netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad.


2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.



Obama actually went after oil speculators. Should we blame him if the Republicans try to stop him? Meanwhile, there were literal cocaine-fueled orgies at the MME under Bush.
 
2012-07-11 09:56:08 PM  
How do I zap this in a sentence....

No one made any money in 2009.
 
2012-07-11 09:56:17 PM  

FlashHarry: hey, look - more facts that completely refute what republicans claim!


Facts have a well documented Liberal bias.

That's why Republicans refuse to pay attention to them.
 
2012-07-11 09:56:42 PM  

Kenny B: Blame Bush?


Actually, I blame the 30 year credit bubble that burst. Everyone was along on that ride. But sure, let's focus on the happenstance.
 
2012-07-11 09:56:49 PM  
When I was making 30k per year less than I am now, I was also paying a lower tax rate.

Nice way to spin "people are making a farkton less money" into a positive for obama.
 
2012-07-11 09:56:54 PM  

whidbey: We get it. He's balck.


So are you saying he stole our taxes?

 
2012-07-11 09:57:36 PM  

unlikely: IIRC wasn't it a "We Republicans are going to block funding for unemployment and sick children unless you let us bundle the Bush Tax Cut extension with them" or something?


Yes, it's getting to the point where I can fully see why many societies throughout history saw fit to dispatch these types of people from their mortal coil.

/That's as polite as I can put it.
 
2012-07-11 09:58:29 PM  
netizencain: IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

best part....forever.
 
2012-07-11 09:58:32 PM  

Krikkitbot: Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.


Both sides go for spin, not just democrats.

And the nutbags will be gloat over the spin either way.
 
2012-07-11 09:59:52 PM  
This is absolutely untrue. There was one year when Bush was in office that I owed taxes at the end of the year. But since Obama's been in office, I've had to pay extra on my taxes EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
 
2012-07-11 10:00:01 PM  
Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.
 
2012-07-11 10:00:34 PM  
ducks
 
2012-07-11 10:01:17 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts!

Good work Tea Party!

Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?)


Revised History - The best history!
 
2012-07-11 10:02:17 PM  
Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House. As much as I hate bigots, I hate liars more. Lying to cover up for bigotry is like how-to-piss-me-off squared.
 
2012-07-11 10:02:37 PM  

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!


I went unemployed on purpose back in 2001. And my tax rate wasn't quite 0, but still very low!
 
2012-07-11 10:02:58 PM  
And the national budget is deep in the red every year! Hooray!
 
2012-07-11 10:03:05 PM  

Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.


I'm making more than in 2008. I got a promotion then, and I have gotten steady raises since then. My company laid off about 10-15% of our work force, and has hired back about 90% of those people. The rest were redundant jobs. We have also expanded, acquiring two new companies, and hiring more people in the accquisitions to make up for the loss. Those two companies also came over intact, nobody was fired.

We were temporarily on forced 32 hour max weeks, or had a 5% pay cut. Those were restored to normal a year and a half ago. My wife has also managed to rise upwards at the same time with her employer.

Funny how we did that under Obama, and we are making more than we did when the recession started. Maybe you're imagining shiat because it gives you spank bank material at night, stroking it to every anti-Obama thing you can repeat that nobody has bothered to verify, or has already been debunked.

Or you could just be stupid.
 
2012-07-11 10:03:11 PM  

jake_lex: Yeah, but we have the blackest President in 236 years!


Clinton was blacker.
 
2012-07-11 10:03:34 PM  

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!


As someone who was on employment a couple years ago... WRONG.
 
2012-07-11 10:04:17 PM  

MrHappyRotter: This is absolutely untrue. There was one year when Bush was in office that I owed taxes at the end of the year. But since Obama's been in office, I've had to pay extra on my taxes EVERY SINGLE YEAR.


Nice troll attempt, unfortunately that anecdotal kind of crap is what people actually latch onto and believe is an indication of a change in the system.

Seriously, do Tea Partiers actually think a tax increase could be passed without 10x the coverage the SCOTUS decision on the ACA or debt limit austerity received on their beloved Fox News?
 
2012-07-11 10:04:46 PM  
Whoa, subby be trollin'.

Totally 100% useless spin, can we focus on actual solutions, not this crap? It's embarrassing. Sure, I'll probably end up voting Obama, but this puts a bad light on the administration. The underlying fact is that revenue and personal income have so dramatically fallen that of course we we're "taxed less".


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-11 10:04:50 PM  
The article says that the average household income fell from 101k to 88k ... Where did this come from? CBO and census data seem to show neither mean, nor median averages to have ever been that high. Median is about 55k and mean is a bad measurement anyway. I can't get to the Financial Times article, but something doesn't pass the smell test.

That said, I agree with the premise (real taxes below historic averages) but not necessarily the supporting data.
 
2012-07-11 10:05:07 PM  

FlashHarry: hey, look - more facts that completely refute what republicans claim!


Hey look more facts that completely prove how full of crap democrats are with their "oh those rich bastiges don't pay their fair share of taxes" whining
 
2012-07-11 10:05:08 PM  
Still whining about the phantom taxes they aren't even paying, duh!

Link
 
2012-07-11 10:05:14 PM  
He shoots. He scores.
 
2012-07-11 10:06:11 PM  

EnviroDude: When half of the people pay no income taxes, this is a shock?

Why don't they pay income taxes? Because their income is too low? It certainly isn't because they are making millions in the stock market and able to itemize deductions down to zero.


You sound pretty tired E. Dude.
 
2012-07-11 10:06:38 PM  
Wow..
Lib comments - absolutely stupid.
No wonder I stopped reading this crap.
 
2012-07-11 10:06:39 PM  
Now if I could only get a job so I could pay taxes. Details, details, details...
 
2012-07-11 10:06:42 PM  
It's a good thing we're all getting ObamaCare in a couple of years, because some of you will finally be able to afford the surgery you need to remove the stick up your asses.
 
2012-07-11 10:07:09 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.


He'll f this up. He still has time.
 
2012-07-11 10:07:34 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.


To be fair, It is certain that Obama got a LOT of votes simply by virtue of being black, from people who know virtually nothing about either candidate or their policies. And the same still holds true this election.

/Obama voter
/Racism isn't bad when our side does it
 
2012-07-11 10:07:45 PM  

mitchcumstein1: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live.



You've just sentenced a depressing number of Americans, all across the political spectrum, to death.
 
2012-07-11 10:07:49 PM  
no shiat, we make lees money....duh!
 
2012-07-11 10:08:24 PM  

Mean Daddy: Now if I could only get a job so I could pay taxes. Details, details, details...


Production requires no master. You areonly a slave to men because of preference.
 
2012-07-11 10:08:37 PM  
Said it before, saying it again: as long as I have to pay higher taxes because I'm childless, single, and don't own a home I feel zero sympathy for anyone else and their tax issues.
 
2012-07-11 10:08:56 PM  

cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?


This is the part people keep ignoring.

Bush administration's "pro business" policies encouraged income reduction for middle and lower class. It became much easier to take you're full time employees and make them part timers. Still employed for statistical purposes, but now you can hire 2X as many employees, not pay healthcare for them, and help drop the US unemployment rate at the same time.

Underemployment has been a serious issue in the US for a decade. Only recently is anyone talking about it. Still neither party is willing to create an index and start measuring it. THAT is holding back the economy even more than unemployment.

The truth about unemployment is that it's always relatively high in the US. People retire prematurely and bet on investments that don't pan out in bad economies. However when the economy is bad people "go back to work", which means they start looking, and taking part time jobs, and loosing jobs. And ending up being statistically "unemployed". That boosts the unemployment rate. It's cyclical. Bad economies create workers who are unemployed as much as they make workers unemployed.


Under employed really screw this economy. They are statistically counted in the same bucket as the 1% folks, yet they have too little income to really help prime the well and get the economy moving. They barely (if even) manage to keep a roof over their head and eat. In a country where most people are not employed in housing or agriculture, this means this segment of the population does nearly nothing to boost the economy. It just drags through the years.

Want to fix the economy? Create an index for underemployed (those working less than 35hrs a week who intend to work 35hrs a week), and start chipping away at that. That money they are missing is what they spend on everything you and I work to create/build/move/sell. That gets the economy moving again.

People forget. We are not an agricultural country anymore. We're not even industrial. Our economy is increasingly dependent on people's discretionary income. If people have no discretionary income, our economy has no customers. It's that simple.

You can talk all you want about small businesses, if they are only hiring contractors and part timers, it does nothing beneficial for us as a nation other than skew statistics and add spin.
 
2012-07-11 10:09:00 PM  

GAT_00: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

It worries me that you actually might have that simplistic view of the world.


Simplistic? Maybe. Correct? Definitely. That's how simplistic the Democrats view the world, and any objective observer knows it.
 
2012-07-11 10:09:36 PM  

mitchcumstein1: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live.


I thought the initial rise was perfectly fine to blame on Bush. You simultaneously start two wars in oil country and then mismanage the fark out of them, it's your fault when prices go up. After the speculating vultures dove in though, it was out of his hands. The initial fark up I will always blame on that sack of shiat though.
 
2012-07-11 10:10:09 PM  
That's awesome. But doesn't it mean that the Liberals have to vote him out?
 
2012-07-11 10:10:47 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.


And the blacks will vote for Obama because?????

He's black, no other reason.
 
2012-07-11 10:11:11 PM  
This just proves to me that he's a DINO.

That bastage ain't no Tax and Spend Democrat I've ever seen... must be the messiah.
 
2012-07-11 10:11:21 PM  
You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.
 
2012-07-11 10:11:30 PM  

FlashHarry: Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.

also FTA: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package. The lowest fifth of earners saw the most dramatic decrease, paying an average tax rate of 1 percent compared to 5.1 percent in 2007.

either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat.


Are those "other cuts" the Bush tax cuts the liberals rail on? You don't say... So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more!
 
2012-07-11 10:12:04 PM  

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.


You don't know how percentages work, do you?
 
2012-07-11 10:12:14 PM  

wildcardjack: How do I zap this in a sentence....

No one made any money in 2009.


That's funny, my wife and I both did. We do nothing special, we're not real estate traders, not the legendary "job creators", nothing special, just lower-middle class working stiffs. We still made money in 2009.

I wonder if it's just because we didn't sit around blaming people?
 
2012-07-11 10:12:36 PM  
Shiat don't be taking no talkin' points away from me!

I still need some methods of thinly disguising my potbelly redneck hillbilly racism by posting political facebook pictures all day long
 
2012-07-11 10:13:02 PM  
Stocking ammunition for a race war, I'd gather...?

;)
 
2012-07-11 10:13:14 PM  

meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.


I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definitely religious, definitely a Republican, but mostly normal. He drove sports cars, enjoyed a beer now and then, and was a likable cat. The moment FOX became a household item is when he began to change into a vitriolic bastard who would only read or listen to sources that sparked his fear center rather than being factual. The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America. The worst thing about it is that my mother, considerably more open-minded than he, basically went along for the ride as the dutiful wife.

Then the Tea Party happened. Holy sh*t was he on board. Sarah Palin's book proudly soiled the coffee table. He began calling himself a "strict Constitutionalist" while spouting anything but. He was for "small government" but demanded it monitor your vagina, blood stream, and quicksand wars. Anyone who disagreed "hates America." And yes, Obama was simultaneously an unqualified boob and a political master craftsman bent on destroying our way of life, and must be stopped. One day I had to actually leave the room when he finally said, "Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No trace of kidding in his voice, and the comment was aimed directly at my bow. As you can imagine, this was eventually followed by some nebulous claims that Obama was using the Constitution as toilet paper, and there was no sense in bringing up his discords. In short, my dad was the guy in the Onion article we all know and love. And it's also when I stopped respecting him. That's a hell of thing for a man, to lose respect for his own father after a lifetime of idolizing him.

Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.
 
2012-07-11 10:14:15 PM  
Maybe this is why we're losing critical public services (like fire and police departments) and crumbling infrastructure?
 
2012-07-11 10:14:23 PM  
My taxes have gone up since Obama became president, but that would be because I'm making more today than I was 4 years ago.
 
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