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hey, look - more facts that completely refute what republicans claim!

In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.

Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.

also FTA: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package. The lowest fifth of earners saw the most dramatic decrease, paying an average tax rate of 1 percent compared to 5.1 percent in 2007.

either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat.

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not get crazy here.

oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

Where is your Tea Party now?

Hiding in their corner with their fingers shoved in their ears screaming for Fox to come save them from the evil facts.

BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad.

2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

It worries me that you actually might have that simplistic view of the world.

netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad.

2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

Funny how your attempt at a 'both sides are bad' still manages to pin the blame on Democrats.

netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

About the closest your claim comes to reality is when people blame Bush for foreign policy actions that had immediate impact on prices. No one actually thinks Bush had direct input on the matter, anymore than we think Obama has the same outside of his own Band-Aid measures of limited impact. There's no red and green button under the desk in the Oval Office, and I'm sorry you think that liberals believe as much.

Maybe you should stop extrapolating one or two stupid posts into what all liberals believe. Man, you definitely don't want me to do that with Fark Independents, do you?

we need to redefine how we measure success.

As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc.

When half of the people pay no income taxes, this is a shock?

Why don't they pay income taxes? Because their income is too low? It certainly isn't because they are making millions in the stock market and able to itemize deductions down to zero.

Where is the tea party now?

Probably masturbating to the idea of sentencing a gay muslim socialist to death by stoning.

Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected. Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon. She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now. I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok". Glad I live 2000+ miles away. EnviroDude: Why don't they pay income taxes? Because their income is too low? Maybe the job creators should pay them higher wages. EnviroDude: When half of the people pay no income taxes, this is a shock? Why don't they pay income taxes? Because their income is too low? It certainly isn't because they are making millions in the stock market and able to itemize deductions down to zero. kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes Except for this part: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package cameroncrazy1984: Except for this part: Last I checked, I said "primarily" and not "exclusively." So much for being taxed enough already. netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. IT's the same... everywhere. everytime. If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live. Where is your Tea Party now? I've got a basic idea... Or else their grandchildren are visiting for the week. FlashHarry: either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat. You seriously think the teabaggers' complaint is really about taxes? eraser8: FlashHarry: either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat. You seriously think the teabaggers' complaint is really about taxes? well, that's what their bumper stickers say... netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. Just like taking out OBL had nothing to do with Obama. netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? Yeah, but we have the blackest President in 236 years! GAT_00: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. It worries me that you actually might have that simplistic view of the world. I didn't say that's how I view the world. Its how many people view things. My taxes are lower, it must be Obama. I don't have a job, it must be Obama. People like simple justifications AI pretty graphs with no context. It make it easier for them. cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow. What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible. Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation. Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower. Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%! The thing that always gives me the tickles, is you hear these Teatards ranting and raving about how we need to go back to the "good ol' days", which means when blacks and women were subservient to their white male overlords, but what they don't also realize is back in the "good ol' days", the marginal tax rate was in the 90th percentile. It's what, 36% percent now? If 36% is too much and worthy of a revolt, what the fark would these crackers do at 90% or more? Spontaneously combust? Not to mention, those fat assholes on the Hoveround scooters wouldn't have Medicare to pay for it, since there was no Medicare until 1965. Or Medicaid either. netizencain: I didn't say that's how I view the world. Its how many people view things. My taxes are lower, it must be Obama. I don't have a job, it must be Obama. I often wonder if that's why monarchies lasted for so long in human history. It was a balls dead simple government to understand. Are the teabaggers still even around? I mean WTF? netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. So which one are you? PhilHerup/EnviroDude is my bet, but I'm not sure. EnviroDude: When half of the people pay no income taxes, this is a shock? Thread-sh*tting Teabagger - drink! We get it. He's balck. It was the Bush rates. The Feds cannot collect taxes from the unemployed. State and local taxes and fees have more than made up the difference. and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts! Good work Tea Party! Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?) Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I was coming in to quote this from the FA. Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. How did you make your slashie go the other way like that? / / / I can 't do it. //// // ? !%&^&*((^ How HOw!!???? \ please tell me whidbey: We get it. He's balck. Balck? tenpoundsofcheese: and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts! Good work Tea Party! Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?) IIRC wasn't it a "We Republicans are going to block funding for unemployment and sick children unless you let us bundle the Bush Tax Cut extension with them" or something? netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. Yes, more people qualified for lower tax brackets, but Obama's policies are also geared towards lowering taxes for the middle class. whidbey: We get it. He's balck. Worse. He's muslim. And a foreigner. netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I'm calling PETA, you have to give that chicken a break every once in awhile. Blame Bush? GAT_00: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. It worries me that you actually might have that simplistic view of the world. Dude -- that's exactly what you're known for. In fact, you take it a step further by spouting myopic posts then disappearing once you're called out on it. 6655321: The Feds cannot collect taxes from the unemployed. State and local taxes and fees have more than made up the difference. Yes, the Feds can. Unemployment benefits are taxable. netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad? He only controls the bad parts. The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad. 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. IT's the same... everywhere. everytime. Obama actually went after oil speculators. Should we blame him if the Republicans try to stop him? Meanwhile, there were literal cocaine-fueled orgies at the MME under Bush. How do I zap this in a sentence.... No one made any money in 2009. FlashHarry: hey, look - more facts that completely refute what republicans claim! Facts have a well documented Liberal bias. That's why Republicans refuse to pay attention to them. Kenny B: Blame Bush? Actually, I blame the 30 year credit bubble that burst. Everyone was along on that ride. But sure, let's focus on the happenstance. When I was making 30k per year less than I am now, I was also paying a lower tax rate. Nice way to spin "people are making a farkton less money" into a positive for obama. whidbey: We get it. He's balck. So are you saying he stole our taxes? unlikely: IIRC wasn't it a "We Republicans are going to block funding for unemployment and sick children unless you let us bundle the Bush Tax Cut extension with them" or something? Yes, it's getting to the point where I can fully see why many societies throughout history saw fit to dispatch these types of people from their mortal coil. /That's as polite as I can put it. netizencain: IT's the same... everywhere. everytime. best part....forever. Krikkitbot: Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. Both sides go for spin, not just democrats. And the nutbags will be gloat over the spin either way. This is absolutely untrue. There was one year when Bush was in office that I owed taxes at the end of the year. But since Obama's been in office, I've had to pay extra on my taxes EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white. ducks tenpoundsofcheese: and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts! Good work Tea Party! Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?) Revised History - The best history! Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House. As much as I hate bigots, I hate liars more. Lying to cover up for bigotry is like how-to-piss-me-off squared. Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower. Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%! I went unemployed on purpose back in 2001. And my tax rate wasn't quite 0, but still very low! And the national budget is deep in the red every year! Hooray! Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I was coming in to quote this from the FA. Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. I'm making more than in 2008. I got a promotion then, and I have gotten steady raises since then. My company laid off about 10-15% of our work force, and has hired back about 90% of those people. The rest were redundant jobs. We have also expanded, acquiring two new companies, and hiring more people in the accquisitions to make up for the loss. Those two companies also came over intact, nobody was fired. We were temporarily on forced 32 hour max weeks, or had a 5% pay cut. Those were restored to normal a year and a half ago. My wife has also managed to rise upwards at the same time with her employer. Funny how we did that under Obama, and we are making more than we did when the recession started. Maybe you're imagining shiat because it gives you spank bank material at night, stroking it to every anti-Obama thing you can repeat that nobody has bothered to verify, or has already been debunked. Or you could just be stupid. jake_lex: Yeah, but we have the blackest President in 236 years! Clinton was blacker. Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower. Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%! As someone who was on employment a couple years ago... WRONG. MrHappyRotter: This is absolutely untrue. There was one year when Bush was in office that I owed taxes at the end of the year. But since Obama's been in office, I've had to pay extra on my taxes EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Nice troll attempt, unfortunately that anecdotal kind of crap is what people actually latch onto and believe is an indication of a change in the system. Seriously, do Tea Partiers actually think a tax increase could be passed without 10x the coverage the SCOTUS decision on the ACA or debt limit austerity received on their beloved Fox News? Whoa, subby be trollin'. Totally 100% useless spin, can we focus on actual solutions, not this crap? It's embarrassing. Sure, I'll probably end up voting Obama, but this puts a bad light on the administration. The underlying fact is that revenue and personal income have so dramatically fallen that of course we we're "taxed less". The article says that the average household income fell from 101k to 88k ... Where did this come from? CBO and census data seem to show neither mean, nor median averages to have ever been that high. Median is about 55k and mean is a bad measurement anyway. I can't get to the Financial Times article, but something doesn't pass the smell test. That said, I agree with the premise (real taxes below historic averages) but not necessarily the supporting data. FlashHarry: hey, look - more facts that completely refute what republicans claim! Hey look more facts that completely prove how full of crap democrats are with their "oh those rich bastiges don't pay their fair share of taxes" whining Still whining about the phantom taxes they aren't even paying, duh! Link He shoots. He scores. EnviroDude: When half of the people pay no income taxes, this is a shock? Why don't they pay income taxes? Because their income is too low? It certainly isn't because they are making millions in the stock market and able to itemize deductions down to zero. You sound pretty tired E. Dude. Wow.. Lib comments - absolutely stupid. No wonder I stopped reading this crap. Now if I could only get a job so I could pay taxes. Details, details, details... It's a good thing we're all getting ObamaCare in a couple of years, because some of you will finally be able to afford the surgery you need to remove the stick up your asses. The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white. He'll f this up. He still has time. The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white. To be fair, It is certain that Obama got a LOT of votes simply by virtue of being black, from people who know virtually nothing about either candidate or their policies. And the same still holds true this election. /Obama voter /Racism isn't bad when our side does it mitchcumstein1: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. IT's the same... everywhere. everytime. If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live. You've just sentenced a depressing number of Americans, all across the political spectrum, to death. no shiat, we make lees money....duh! Mean Daddy: Now if I could only get a job so I could pay taxes. Details, details, details... Production requires no master. You areonly a slave to men because of preference. Said it before, saying it again: as long as I have to pay higher taxes because I'm childless, single, and don't own a home I feel zero sympathy for anyone else and their tax issues. cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? This is the part people keep ignoring. Bush administration's "pro business" policies encouraged income reduction for middle and lower class. It became much easier to take you're full time employees and make them part timers. Still employed for statistical purposes, but now you can hire 2X as many employees, not pay healthcare for them, and help drop the US unemployment rate at the same time. Underemployment has been a serious issue in the US for a decade. Only recently is anyone talking about it. Still neither party is willing to create an index and start measuring it. THAT is holding back the economy even more than unemployment. The truth about unemployment is that it's always relatively high in the US. People retire prematurely and bet on investments that don't pan out in bad economies. However when the economy is bad people "go back to work", which means they start looking, and taking part time jobs, and loosing jobs. And ending up being statistically "unemployed". That boosts the unemployment rate. It's cyclical. Bad economies create workers who are unemployed as much as they make workers unemployed. Under employed really screw this economy. They are statistically counted in the same bucket as the 1% folks, yet they have too little income to really help prime the well and get the economy moving. They barely (if even) manage to keep a roof over their head and eat. In a country where most people are not employed in housing or agriculture, this means this segment of the population does nearly nothing to boost the economy. It just drags through the years. Want to fix the economy? Create an index for underemployed (those working less than 35hrs a week who intend to work 35hrs a week), and start chipping away at that. That money they are missing is what they spend on everything you and I work to create/build/move/sell. That gets the economy moving again. People forget. We are not an agricultural country anymore. We're not even industrial. Our economy is increasingly dependent on people's discretionary income. If people have no discretionary income, our economy has no customers. It's that simple. You can talk all you want about small businesses, if they are only hiring contractors and part timers, it does nothing beneficial for us as a nation other than skew statistics and add spin. GAT_00: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. It worries me that you actually might have that simplistic view of the world. Simplistic? Maybe. Correct? Definitely. That's how simplistic the Democrats view the world, and any objective observer knows it. mitchcumstein1: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. IT's the same... everywhere. everytime. If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live. I thought the initial rise was perfectly fine to blame on Bush. You simultaneously start two wars in oil country and then mismanage the fark out of them, it's your fault when prices go up. After the speculating vultures dove in though, it was out of his hands. The initial fark up I will always blame on that sack of shiat though. That's awesome. But doesn't it mean that the Liberals have to vote him out? The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white. And the blacks will vote for Obama because????? He's black, no other reason. This just proves to me that he's a DINO. That bastage ain't no Tax and Spend Democrat I've ever seen... must be the messiah. You pay no taxes when you're unemployed. Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president. FlashHarry: Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I was coming in to quote this from the FA. Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. also FTA: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package. The lowest fifth of earners saw the most dramatic decrease, paying an average tax rate of 1 percent compared to 5.1 percent in 2007. either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat. Are those "other cuts" the Bush tax cuts the liberals rail on? You don't say... So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more! netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. You don't know how percentages work, do you? wildcardjack: How do I zap this in a sentence.... No one made any money in 2009. That's funny, my wife and I both did. We do nothing special, we're not real estate traders, not the legendary "job creators", nothing special, just lower-middle class working stiffs. We still made money in 2009. I wonder if it's just because we didn't sit around blaming people? Shiat don't be taking no talkin' points away from me! I still need some methods of thinly disguising my potbelly redneck hillbilly racism by posting political facebook pictures all day long Stocking ammunition for a race war, I'd gather...? ;) meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool. My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates. Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over$250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definitely religious, definitely a Republican, but mostly normal. He drove sports cars, enjoyed a beer now and then, and was a likable cat. The moment FOX became a household item is when he began to change into a vitriolic bastard who would only read or listen to sources that sparked his fear center rather than being factual. The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America. The worst thing about it is that my mother, considerably more open-minded than he, basically went along for the ride as the dutiful wife.

Then the Tea Party happened. Holy sh*t was he on board. Sarah Palin's book proudly soiled the coffee table. He began calling himself a "strict Constitutionalist" while spouting anything but. He was for "small government" but demanded it monitor your vagina, blood stream, and quicksand wars. Anyone who disagreed "hates America." And yes, Obama was simultaneously an unqualified boob and a political master craftsman bent on destroying our way of life, and must be stopped. One day I had to actually leave the room when he finally said, "Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No trace of kidding in his voice, and the comment was aimed directly at my bow. As you can imagine, this was eventually followed by some nebulous claims that Obama was using the Constitution as toilet paper, and there was no sense in bringing up his discords. In short, my dad was the guy in the Onion article we all know and love. And it's also when I stopped respecting him. That's a hell of thing for a man, to lose respect for his own father after a lifetime of idolizing him.

Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.

Maybe this is why we're losing critical public services (like fire and police departments) and crumbling infrastructure?

My taxes have gone up since Obama became president, but that would be because I'm making more today than I was 4 years ago.

Coco LaFemme: The thing that always gives me the tickles, is you hear these Teatards ranting and raving about how we need to go back to the "good ol' days", which means when blacks and women were subservient to their white male overlords, but what they don't also realize is back in the "good ol' days", the marginal tax rate was in the 90th percentile. It's what, 36% percent now? If 36% is too much and worthy of a revolt, what the fark would these crackers do at 90% or more? Spontaneously combust?

Not to mention, those fat assholes on the Hoveround scooters wouldn't have Medicare to pay for it, since there was no Medicare until 1965. Or Medicaid either.

Wow, ignorance abounds! Comparing the marginal tax rates means jack shiats without accounting for AGI. There were many more loopholes under those tax codes.

BigNumber12: And the national budget is deep in the red every year! Hooray!

I'd actually be okay with higher taxes if it helped out the country. I would like to see better education, medicine, and social services. It's unusual that this sort of love of country seems to fly in the face of the Republican's love of country.

Mikey1969: mitchcumstein1: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live.

I thought the initial rise was perfectly fine to blame on Bush. You simultaneously start two wars in oil country and then mismanage the fark out of them, it's your fault when prices go up. After the speculating vultures dove in though, it was out of his hands. The initial fark up I will always blame on that sack of shiat though.

Afghanistan exports no oil. They have no influence on the price. Otoh they may effect the price of opium. Can't win them all I guess.

// fun fact, it is legal to grow poppy plants in the US.

vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.

So, you're saying that the high unemployment rate was caused by Bush?

Ah the fresh smell of relative-driven political economics.

The_Original_Roxtar: When I was making 30k per year less than I am now, I was also paying a lower tax rate.

Nice way to spin "people are making a farkton less money" into a positive for obama.

So please explain how this justifies the Tea Party again.

dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected. Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon. She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now. I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok". Glad I live 2000+ miles away. I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room. One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought. Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever. Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definitely religious, definitely a Republican, but mostly normal. He drove sports cars, enjoyed a beer now and then, and was a likable cat. The moment FOX became a household item is when he began to change into a vitriolic bastard who would only read or listen to sources that sparked his fear center rather than being factual. The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America. The worst thing about it is that my mother, considerably more open-minded than he, basically went along for the ride as the dutiful wife. Then the Tea Party happened. Holy sh*t was he on board. Sarah Palin's book proudly soiled the coffee table. He began calling himself a "strict Constitutionalist" while spouting anything but. He was for "small government" but demanded it monitor your vagina, blood stream, and quicksand wars. Anyone who disagreed "hates America." And yes, Obama was simultaneously an unqualified boob and a political master craftsman bent on destroying our way of life, and must be stopped. One day I had to actually leave the room when he finally said, "Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No trace of kidding in his voice, and the comment was aimed directly at my bow. As you can imagine, this was eventually followed by some nebulous claims that Obama was using the Constitution as toilet paper, and there was no sense in bringing up his discords. In short, my dad was the guy in the Onion article we all know and love. And it's also when I stopped respecting him. That's a hell of thing for a man, to lose respect for his own father after a lifetime of idolizing him. Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me. So you blame fox news because your dad is a moron? Interesting. belhade: Maybe this is why we're losing critical public services (like fire and police departments) and crumbling infrastructure? Beg pardon? Police should share their drug money with the fire department, no? Infrastructure is another matter. Pffft. P.S. Hey richie, pay now, or pay later when your house of cards "crumbles"...;) P.P.S. Bait taken. vodka: Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president. So you admit 9/11 happened under Clinton's watch? cretinbob: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. [www.clowder.net image 352x353] //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? Dammit! I was following all of the comments with an open mind and what happens? I land on Cretinbob's post and have a petit mal seizure. I did. Fark you, Cretinbob! /but you're right //at least as best I can tell whilst recovering from my seizure ///Fark you again, Cretinbob! ////slashies...and moaning in pain with migraine I don't know why racist people insist on calling Obama a n*gg'r. Wouldn't it be more accurate to call him a nig since he's only 1/2 black? vegasj: vodka: Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president. So you admit 9/11 happened under Clinton's watch? Nice placement. ;) vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed. Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president. Tell that to the IRS when they come looking for taxes owed on unemployment benefits. My taxes have nigh doubled under Obama. /my income has gone up by ~3x since he took office //not because, since Lets not forget about the fastest racking up of national debt EVAR!!! Give me a higher tax rate and stop racking up national debt. Balance the god damn budget! fark that communist. fark the idiots that elected him. fark congress too... Not a damn thing will change for the better until we just straight up crash and are forced to take up pitchforks and torches and "burn this mutha down". Anyone say it's Bush's fault yet? INeedAName: BigNumber12: And the national budget is deep in the red every year! Hooray! I'd actually be okay with higher taxes if it helped out the country. I would like to see better education, medicine, and social services. It's unusual that this sort of love of country seems to fly in the face of the Republican's love of country. That's why I don't understand this thread. Fark seems to be predominantly filled with people who prefer the benefits of tax revenue to the generic idea of "lower taxes," so it's somewhat surprising to see a thread like this that appears to be touting the "lowest tax rates in 30 years" as some sort of accomplishment. Whatever it takes for an opportunity to stick it to the Tea Party, I guess. MrHelpful: So you blame fox news because your dad is a moron? Interesting. I said "largely responsible." The guy was obviously already of a weak mindset to be suckered in the first place. FOX just hammered it home for him. Would you forgive your family member's drug dealer, even though he's not directly responsible? Probably not. And that's how I feel about FOX and the rest of the window-licker diarrhea out there. They galvanize legions of the misinformed, which translates into a negative for society. netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. Subby's a farking illiterate troll. shiat, let's all earn a buck each and we'll have the lowest tax rate ever!! DarwiOdrade: vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed. Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president. So, you're saying that the high unemployment rate was caused by Bush? It was caused by the American people when they elected a oil executive as president and he started a war to cause the rise to$4/gallon gas, both of which which the US have not recovered from.

Indubitably: vegasj: vodka: Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.

So you admit 9/11 happened under Clinton's watch?

Nice placement. ;)

P.S. It is not communist to care for people who fuel the engine of America. WTF is wrong with you, capitalist? How much do you get to fark up the world b4 you are reevaluated?

P.P.S. You are over and reevaluated now, system...

DIGITALgimpus: People forget. We are not an agricultural country anymore. We're not even industrial. Our economy is increasingly dependent on people's discretionary income. If people have no discretionary income, our economy has no customers. It's that simple.

If Americans run out of discretionary money, I'm moving back to Mexico. It will probably be safer.

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!

Are you really this stupid? You still have to pay income tax on unemployment payments.

lockers: Afghanistan exports no oil. They have no influence on the price. Otoh they may effect the price of opium. Can't win them all I guess.

// fun fact, it is legal to grow poppy plants in the US.

Someone farts over there and oil prices skyrocket. ANYwhere over there, doesn't matter if they export oil or not, everybody shiats bricks about "stability in the Middle East" and over-reacts no matter who does what where.

//Fun fact, under the Taliban, Opium production was pretty much nil, they didn't cotton to that kind of thing. As a matter of fact, we had 'em over here for a big party in the spring of '01 where we gave em a bunch of money for doing such a good job of getting rid of the Opium. $43 million, actually. dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool. My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates. Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over$250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definite ...

Here's a hug, man. That sucks. I have an uncle who went Teahadist, but your own dad...

*hug*

In 19880, I marginal tax rates of:
* 42% to the feds
* 5% to the state of Minnesota
* 6.5% to Social Security

"Taxed-enough already" sounds like traitors who aren't willing to pay for their wars.

dickfreckle: The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America.

I won't quote your entire post (it was quite good though) but there was a strain of paranoia to your father's behavior that has compelled me to ask the following: Is he mentally sound?

No doubt many of us have seen age take its toll on our parents' faculties. Is it possible that your father is displaying signs of some sort of mental illness? I know it probably seems like I am just seeing things but I sometimes wonder about my parents and how I will be able to identify the beginnings of mental illness. Perhaps a radical political shift might herald it. I don't know.

vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.

Unless they're BAD effects of course. We all know how this works by now.

dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected. Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon. She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now. I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok". Glad I live 2000+ miles away. I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room. One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought. Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever. Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definitely religious, definitely a Republican, but mostly normal. He drove sports cars, enjoyed a beer now and then, and was a likable cat. The moment FOX became a household item is when he began to change into a vitriolic bastard who would only read or listen to sources that sparked his fear center rather than being factual. The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America. The worst thing about it is that my mother, considerably more open-minded than he, basically went along for the ride as the dutiful wife. Then the Tea Party happened. Holy sh*t was he on board. Sarah Palin's book proudly soiled the coffee table. He began calling himself a "strict Constitutionalist" while spouting anything but. He was for "small government" but demanded it monitor your vagina, blood stream, and quicksand wars. Anyone who disagreed "hates America." And yes, Obama was simultaneously an unqualified boob and a political master craftsman bent on destroying our way of life, and must be stopped. One day I had to actually leave the room when he finally said, "Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No trace of kidding in his voice, and the comment was aimed directly at my bow. As you can imagine, this was eventually followed by some nebulous claims that Obama was using the Constitution as toilet paper, and there was no sense in bringing up his discords. In short, my dad was the guy in the Onion article we all know and love. And it's also when I stopped respecting him. That's a hell of thing for a man, to lose respect for his own father after a lifetime of idolizing him. Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me. My condolences. We've gone through nearly the same path with my FIL. Being in the same room with him is painful because OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY vomits out of him. It is all Fox News fault. mitchcumstein1: If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live. Anyone who says Obama is a socialist is too stupid to live. Omnivorous: In 19880, I marginal tax rates of: * 42% to the feds * 5% to the state of Minnesota * 6.5% to Social Security Thank goodness you have plenty of time to save up. netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!"

Omnivorous: In 19880, I marginal tax rates of:
* 42% to the feds
* 5% to the state of Minnesota
* 6.5% to Social Security

"Taxed-enough already" sounds like traitors who aren't willing to pay for their wars.

Like, whoa dude or dudette. Lay off the booze or the weed. Unless you are a time traveling marginal tax rate from the future and Minnesota has lasted a really long time. Then you can smoke all the drugs you want.

Tax credits are not the same thing as lowered taxes or tax deductions. They're subsidies paid to anyone who qualifies, whether or not they pay any net taxes. Handing money to someone who didn't pay any taxes isn't a tax cut, it's a welfare program with a Newspeak name.

Democrats = The party of the uneducated.

anyone else can read between the lines.

Owangotang: Said it before, saying it again: as long as I have to pay higher taxes because I'm childless, single, and don't own a home I feel zero sympathy for anyone else and their tax issues.

Preach, son.

unlikely: tenpoundsofcheese: and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts!

Good work Tea Party!

Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?)

IIRC wasn't it a "We Republicans are going to block funding for unemployment and sick children unless you let us bundle the Bush Tax Cut extension with them" or something?

Yes.

Ceiling Moran: Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!

Are you really this stupid? You still have to pay income tax on unemployment payments.

Yes, he's that stupid.

Wittenberg Dropout: DIGITALgimpus: People forget. We are not an agricultural country anymore. We're not even industrial. Our economy is increasingly dependent on people's discretionary income. If people have no discretionary income, our economy has no customers. It's that simple.

If Americans run out of discretionary money, I'm moving back to Mexico. It will probably be safer.

Nah, we'll reevaluate.

We're Americans, man.

We rock change when we have to: vote for people. Last time I checked, Pomney was NOT people.

I'm not sure if he's an android, from outer space with the golden tablets, or just slinging wealthy slime all about the place...

When money buys elections, America doesn't exist anymore. ;)

People own everything, including elections.

Money is immaterial.

pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault

I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!" Don't worry, selective memory is a trait of all humans. dickfreckle: About the closest your claim comes to reality is when people blame Bush for foreign policy actions that had immediate impact on prices. No one actually thinks Bush had direct input on the matter, anymore than we think Obama has the same outside of his own Band-Aid measures of limited impact. There's no red and green button under the desk in the Oval Office, and I'm sorry you think that liberals believe as much. Yeah, except that I remember the Bush administration. 6/10 Good thing the wars on drugs and terror are helping to fuel such a strong economy. Time to declare some more wars, huh? lol the tea party is mainly gripes about the government SPENDING TOO MUCH, not about being taxed too much. are you serious? Forget the recession and lower incomes. The farking income tax rates that Americans are paying today are as low as they have been at any point in modern history. You'd have to go back to prior to the outbreak of World War II to find a time when Americans were paying lower income tax rates than they are paying right now. (The only exception to this was a brief period at the end of the Reagan administration, when the highest tax bracket had its rate lowered to 29%. This lasted only a few years until Washington was sane enough to realize that it was not sustainable, at which point it was raised again.) This is a fact. There is no "Yes, but Rush..." or "Yes, but Jesus..." that you can pull out of your hat to refute this. And yet people, for whatever reason, are convinced that their income taxes have never been higher. Do we have any of these geniuses in residence? If so, can you please tell us when Obama raised your taxes, and by how much? giftedmadness: lol the tea party is mainly gripes about the government SPENDING TOO MUCH, not about being taxed too much. are you serious? Are you serious? netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad? He only controls the bad parts. The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad. 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault 2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that. IT's the same... everywhere. everytime. You are 100% correct. The president doesn't, OPEC controls gas prices. Fluorescent Testicle: Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House. As much as I hate bigots, I hate liars more. Lying to cover up for bigotry is like how-to-piss-me-off squared. it's ignorant, stereotyping assholes like you who calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist who are the bigot /is not affiliated with the tea party //hates race baiters FTA : the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit They shouldnt include people with welfare-type tax credits in the averages. Omnivorous: In 19880, I marginal tax rates of: ♫ In the year 20,000 ♫ netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. Something is confused here with the terms tax rates and tax decline. One is a dependent variable, while the other is a fixed term. If the article ( I hadn't read) is talking about tax rates, then we're dealing with a fixed number mandated by law. If it is actually the lowest "rates" in 30 years, then that can only be disputed when lower "rates" are presented in argument. This does not mean that I approve the low rates on higher incomes. So I don't know if this is anything for supporters to brag about. I guess it's to just get the Tea Party to shut up. To be fair, for teabaggers, being taxed at all qualifies as "enough". It's stupid, but it's true. shotglasss: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white. And the blacks will vote for Obama because????? He's black, no other reason. Naturally. Why, if Hillary was president, she wouldn't get a single black vote. > Hey look, that was three years ago during Obama's first year in office when he had nothing to do with said tax rate. /So you CAN thank Bush //and the Republicans ///moron Fluorescent Testicle: Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House. As much as I hate bigots, I hate liars more. Lying to cover up for bigotry is like how-to-piss-me-off squared. How about lying and falsely accusing others of bigotry? Are you okay with that, or are you a hypocrite? OF COURSE you have proof that everyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist, right? Figures from the 2008 election DID show racism --- 95% of blacks voted for Obama. That's the only racism involved systemically. Dman33: In other (slightly old) news: Under President Obama, Government spending is lowest since the Eisenhower Administration. * Ahem * Awesome. *bow* I love me some Obama Eisenhower. Now let's "convince" these oligarchs to loosen their purse strings, no? Word. P.S. If money was SO tight, how could so many die from a bullet while hungry? i blame the jews. they created the whole 'tea party' thing to spread any disinformation they wanted to the lower middle class unintelligent people. wily jews. go find all of the chief executives of your favorite oppressive local government, and the find all of the freemasons in that aspect of government. the number you get will be way more than 50 xen0blue: Fluorescent Testicle: Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House. As much as I hate bigots, I hate liars more. Lying to cover up for bigotry is like how-to-piss-me-off squared. it's ignorant, stereotyping assholes like you who calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist who are the bigot It's not his fault - knee-jerk accusations of racism are what the TV keeps telling him to do when confronted with complex ideas like "people with opposing viewpoints." Hagenhatesyouall: Not a damn thing will change for the better until we just straight up crash and are forced to take up pitchforks and torches and "burn this mutha down". Why do I have a feeling you were one of those same people who decried the #occupy protestors as a bunch of cop-car-sh*tting, property-destroying rapists? Is this a trick? It would seem what really happen is more people fell into the lower tax brackets from losing jobs and or not having one.... Rates didn't change. What's the difference? Indubitably: belhade: Maybe this is why we're losing critical public services (like fire and police departments) and crumbling infrastructure? Beg pardon? Police should share their drug money with the fire department, no? Infrastructure is another matter. Pffft. P.S. Hey richie, pay now, or pay later when your house of cards "crumbles"...;) P.P.S. Bait taken. I'm sorry, was I trolling? "In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year, an effect of the Great Recession that caused many Americans to slide down into lower tax brackets." Headline is Tricky, Tricky Subby... I like. xen0blue: it's ignorant, stereotyping assholes like you who calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist who are the bigot /Disagreeing with me does not make them racist, being racist makes them racist. //Intolerance of intolerance is not bigotry, it's sanity. belhade: Indubitably: belhade: Maybe this is why we're losing critical public services (like fire and police departments) and crumbling infrastructure? Beg pardon? Police should share their drug money with the fire department, no? Infrastructure is another matter. Pffft. P.S. Hey richie, pay now, or pay later when your house of cards "crumbles"...;) P.P.S. Bait taken. I'm sorry, was I trolling? You caught me. The Tea Party is the reason for the low taxes. We put them there after obama strong armed, lied and bribed his democrats into a socialized big govt health package that 60% of Americans didn't want. That being the law now, thanks to the dems new friend Roberts and his chief justicing (slang for doing something wrong just so libs won't hate you). You're about to see a bunch of taxes dropped square on the backs of the working middle class. obama should've been focused on jobs and the economy instead of figuring out a way to create a larger govt. That said, here's your tax. Here's some things that also happened in the last 3 years under obama. 13 million people unemployed. He said he was going to fix that, what's taking him so long? Unemployment for blacks is 14.4%. Hey black people, you helped elect the first black president, Clinton. Then the first gay president, obama. Are you better off now with the hopey/changy crap? Here's a milestone for obama, 45 million Americans on foodstamps or some taxpayer funded benifit program. What's the tally for large cities filling for bankruptcy under obama, 2/3/4? All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over$250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check. The alternative is obama sucking this country dry so he can pay off his friends.

Launch Code: The Tea Party is the reason for the low taxes. We put them there after obama strong armed, lied and bribed his democrats into a socialized big govt health package that 60% of Americans didn't want. That being the law now, thanks to the dems new friend Roberts and his chief justicing (slang for doing something wrong just so libs won't hate you). You're about to see a bunch of taxes dropped square on the backs of the working middle class. obama should've been focused on jobs and the economy instead of figuring out a way to create a larger govt. That said, here's your tax.
Here's some things that also happened in the last 3 years under obama. 13 million people unemployed. He said he was going to fix that, what's taking him so long? Unemployment for blacks is 14.4%. Hey black people, you helped elect the first black president, Clinton. Then the first gay president, obama. Are you better off now with the hopey/changy crap? Here's a milestone for obama, 45 million Americans on foodstamps or some taxpayer funded benifit program. What's the tally for large cities filling for bankruptcy under obama, 2/3/4?
All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over $250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check. The alternative is obama sucking this country dry so he can pay off his friends. Seriously? the801: i blame the jews. they created the whole 'tea party' thing to spread any disinformation they wanted to the lower middle class unintelligent people. wily jews. go find all of the chief executives of your favorite oppressive local government, and the find all of the freemasons in that aspect of government. the number you get will be way more than 50 not_sure_if_serious.exe dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool. My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates. Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over$250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definite ...

dickfreckle:
Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.

Now you know how rational people feel watching others be programmed by the MSM. Most of you don't believe something happened if it doesn't appear on MSM. It's a lot like Soviet state-run media.

It's not at ALL like Fox is out there trying to influence opinion, while the MSM gives you the straight facts. Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Whether someone watches only Fox, or only MSM, they are not getting the full story. To be informed one should watch (assuming only TV news...) MSM or Fox, whichever they prefer, for no more than 75% of the time, and watch the OTHER for at least 25%. That way, you will at least be exposed to issues that "your" side is covering up.

Look up old clips from when CNN started out -- man, they were straight-up objective, and it was great. That didn't last long. Once Ted Turner started banging Hanoi Jane Fonda, the leftist slant came in. Coincidence? I dunno, but it seems likely that the little head started "directing" the news so as to reduce turmoil on the home front.

The Tea Party doesn't dislike taxes, it dislikes black people.

unlikely: tenpoundsofcheese: and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts!

Good work Tea Party!

Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?)

IIRC wasn't it a "We Republicans are going to block funding for unemployment and sick children unless you let us bundle the Bush Tax Cut extension with them" or something?

no you didnt rc

dickfreckle: Maybe you should stop extrapolating one or two stupid posts into what all liberals believe.

THIS

and there isn't a font big enough to emphasize it enough

GeneralJim: dickfreckle: Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.
Now you know how rational people feel watching others be programmed by the MSM. Most of you don't believe something happened if it doesn't appear on MSM. It's a lot like Soviet state-run media.

It's not at ALL like Fox is out there trying to influence opinion, while the MSM gives you the straight facts. Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Whether someone watches only Fox, or only MSM, they are not getting the full story. To be informed one should watch (assuming only TV news...) MSM or Fox, whichever they prefer, for no more than 75% of the time, and watch the OTHER for at least 25%. That way, you will at least be exposed to issues that "your" side is covering up.

Look up old clips from when CNN started out -- man, they were straight-up objective, and it was great. That didn't last long. Once Ted Turner started banging Hanoi Jane Fonda, the leftist slant came in. Coincidence? I dunno, but it seems likely that the little head started "directing" the news so as to reduce turmoil on the home front.

How did you post in green print??

...and 47% of us don't pay any taxes

I'm glad everyone here agrees that we shouldn't raise taxes.

All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over $250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check. Just like I thank the NRA for gun control. The TEA party assholes were the first to push for wars in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan "because they would pay for themselves." That's Dickhead Cheney's line too. Omnivorous: All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over$250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check.

Just like I thank the NRA for gun control. The TEA party assholes were the first to push for wars in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan "because they would pay for themselves." That's Dickhead Cheney's line too.

WTF! The wars were way going on before the tea party ever got started...

fireclown: Yeah, except that I remember the Bush administration.

6/10

In your snip you omitted my main point - don't extrapolate a few idiots posting from basements to the rest of us. Anyone with a 5th grade education knows that the president has little power over this issue. He (or she) can make things worse by agitating producing regions, but have very little impact on driving the price down.

No one I know (or respect) is crowning Obama because gas prices are currently dropping. He made a few moves, but it's still not really his award to accept. It's not my fault the two liberals you ever met are farking retarded.

*ahem*

"We should adjust the tax rate to reflect the repository of situated wealth and reflect an air of gratitude for the sacrifice of those who can barely afford to limp to work to make all of 'your' shiat happen..."

the tea party is mainly gripes about the government SPENDING TOO MUCH, not about being taxed too much. are you serious?

Got it, the Taxed Enough Already Party, wasn't complaining about being taxed enough already. It's a good thing there's smart people like you around to clear this up.

GAT_00: Where is your Tea Party now?

Hiding in their corner with their fingers shoved in their ears screaming for Fox to come save them from the evil facts.

behind the curtain sucking Koch for money.

Drew, forget the politics queue - balete this POS thread!

/and kiss my arse all you chickhawk teabaggers

Launch Code: The Tea Party is the reason for the low taxes. We put them there after obama strong armed, lied and bribed his democrats into a socialized big govt health package that 60% of Americans didn't want. That being the law now, thanks to the dems new friend Roberts and his chief justicing (slang for doing something wrong just so libs won't hate you). You're about to see a bunch of taxes dropped square on the backs of the working middle class. obama should've been focused on jobs and the economy instead of figuring out a way to create a larger govt. That said, here's your tax.
Here's some things that also happened in the last 3 years under obama. 13 million people unemployed. He said he was going to fix that, what's taking him so long? Unemployment for blacks is 14.4%. Hey black people, you helped elect the first black president, Clinton. Then the first gay president, obama. Are you better off now with the hopey/changy crap? Here's a milestone for obama, 45 million Americans on foodstamps or some taxpayer funded benifit program. What's the tally for large cities filling for bankruptcy under obama, 2/3/4?
All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over $250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check. The alternative is obama sucking this country dry so he can pay off his friends. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! fragMasterFlash: Drew, forget the politics queue - balete this POS thread! Good call. I've never even seen half of these shills before. Did anyone R-E-A-D the story? The reason for lower taxes paid was because no one has a job...... Subby trolled you, you got trolled. GeneralJim: dickfreckle: Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me. Now you know how rational people feel watching others be programmed by the MSM. Most of you don't believe something happened if it doesn't appear on MSM. It's a lot like Soviet state-run media. It's not at ALL like Fox is out there trying to influence opinion, while the MSM gives you the straight facts. Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Whether someone watches only Fox, or only MSM, they are not getting the full story. To be informed one should watch (assuming only TV news...) MSM or Fox, whichever they prefer, for no more than 75% of the time, and watch the OTHER for at least 25%. That way, you will at least be exposed to issues that "your" side is covering up. Actually you shouldn't be wasting your time watching any of the 24 hour news networks. Unless you're an idiot who thinks watching shows that are 90% commentary by someone with below average to average intelligence counts as news. the801: i blame the jews. they created the whole 'tea party' thing to spread any disinformation they wanted to the lower middle class unintelligent people. wily jews. go find all of the chief executives of your favorite oppressive local government, and the find all of the freemasons in that aspect of government. the number you get will be way more than 50 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! dragonchild: whidbey: We get it. He's balck. Balck? Yeah, he's balck, and I think he's from Ken-huh-yah, too. whidbey: dragonchild: whidbey: We get it. He's balck. Balck? Yeah, he's balck, and I think he's from Ken-huh-yah, too. I hear he's from earth, you? There's that whole "fiscal responsibility" thing that is part of the Tea Party platform. Low taxes are a temporary delusion when the government is spending so much and so fast that higher taxes are guaranteed in the near future. KimNorth: Did anyone R-E-A-D the story? The reason for lower taxes paid was because no one has a job...... Subby trolled you, you got trolled. actually it says that the taxes are 4% lower on the bottom 50% too. but you're free to omit that if you like. Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias. Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral. dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool. My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates. Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over$250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definite ...

I blame Ann Coulter

OgreMagi: There's that whole "fiscal responsibility" thing that is part of the Tea Party platform. Low taxes are a temporary delusion when the government is spending so much and so fast that higher taxes are guaranteed in the near future.

I swear all these "conservative" politicians here are all spouting the same shiat in their ads. "Govt spending is killing jobs"

*facepalm*

Austerity measures ,cutting back on govt staff,is killing jobs.
Our stupid trade policies are killing jobs.
incentives for outsourcing is killing jobs.

Jesus Christ people grow a farking brain.

GeneralJim: dickfreckle: Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.
Now you know how rational people feel watching others be programmed by the MSM. Most of you don't believe something happened if it doesn't appear on MSM. It's a lot like Soviet state-run media.

It's not at ALL like Fox is out there trying to influence opinion, while the MSM gives you the straight facts. Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Whether someone watches only Fox, or only MSM, they are not getting the full story. To be informed one should watch (assuming only TV news...) MSM or Fox, whichever they prefer, for no more than 75% of the time, and watch the OTHER for at least 25%. That way, you will at least be exposed to issues that "your" side is covering up.

Look up old clips from when CNN started out -- man, they were straight-up objective, and it was great. That didn't last long. Once Ted Turner started banging Hanoi Jane Fonda, the leftist slant came in. Coincidence? I dunno, but it seems likely that the little head started "directing" the news so as to reduce turmoil on the home front.

Dan Rather farks up = the entire "MSM" is a sham.

Got it.

I'd also love to see multiple examples of this "leftist slant" CNN has. Get your head out of your ass, green-posting attention whore - CNN goes out of their way to present nutjob right wing conspiracies as legitimate viewpoints in an effort to avoid being labeled "liberal" by starfishes like you.

Not that it stopped you from making the claim, anyway. Baseless claims are your SOP, so you may as well include the media as a dark, evil force conspiring against you when you can't admit your shortcomings.

FOX is demonstrably, vehemently biased. Farking Helen Keller would see it after 90 seconds of random viewing. CNN is demonstrably vapid and worthless, but not liberal.. Please, please provide examples of CNN's extensive campaign to brainwash viewers into blind and rabid support of one particular ideology. I'll save you some time...you can't. Unless you count your blogger patriots who are every it as full of sh*t as you are.

FOX and CNN both suck, but one is clearly more irresponsible then the other. Even you have to notice this, just as sure as you observe how water takes the form of whatever container it's in. If you don't, well, there's really no point in continuing a conversation.

Hobodeluxe: KimNorth: Did anyone R-E-A-D the story? The reason for lower taxes paid was because no one has a job......

Subby trolled you, you got trolled.

actually it says that the taxes are 4% lower on the bottom 50% too. but you're free to omit that if you like.

Well that is given to the lower 50% on and off for like ever. The point is it adds to lower taxes paid now is because that 50% of lower wage earners has gotten bottom barrel low. So yes I guess I did omit it as it means nothing.

ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference?

Oh, but they did. Maybe not for you, but rates changed quite dramatically.

pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault

I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!" Oh, there were liberals who blamed Bush. But yeah, people like me...I had no sympathy for people who bought the ginormous SUVs. Naturally, as the owner of a hybrid, I get all kinds of shiat about stupid liberals and their stupid liberal cars. /I don't care, I get 50mpg //sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias. Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral. WHOOSH! rohar: ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference? Oh, but they did. Maybe not for you, but rates changed quite dramatically. Is giving people tax credits who paid no taxes or got all their money back that they paid in plus thousand more a rate change? OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias. Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral. You must be new here. Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be. KimNorth: Hobodeluxe: KimNorth: Did anyone R-E-A-D the story? The reason for lower taxes paid was because no one has a job...... Subby trolled you, you got trolled. actually it says that the taxes are 4% lower on the bottom 50% too. but you're free to omit that if you like. Well that is given to the lower 50% on and off for like ever. The point is it adds to lower taxes paid now is because that 50% of lower wage earners has gotten bottom barrel low. So yes I guess I did omit it as it means nothing. wrong. there's 100 million or so that got an extra 4% off their taxes. and it was off their social security deduction. so even those who owed nothing from making too little still got cut. Omnivorous: All you über rich 1%'rs (those making over$250k), rich by obama standards, should be glad the Tea Party is in a position to keep this tax and waster in check.

Just like I thank the NRA for gun control. The TEA party assholes were the first to push for wars in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan "because they would pay for themselves." That's Dickhead Cheney's line too.

Even though I'm against gun control, I don't care for the NRA...but don't drag the TEA Party into the wars. At least, not those early TEA Partiers. Those guys tended to be Ron Paul nuts. Say what you will about them, but they aren't keen on this American Empire nonsense, and were unhappy with mainstream Republicans as well as Democrats. I blame them for not throwing a fit when it was clear the Republican party was taking over, though. "Oh, but it's giving us more exposure!" Yeah, how's that going for you, Skippy?

I've only scanned the thread. Anybody note that rates went UP for the top 1% but down for everyone else? I'm sure if the opposite were true we'd have had a headline and 400 posts whining about it.

Smeggy Smurf: Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be.

You might want to look into that Romney character.

/voting for Alfred E. Newman
//he's not worried

Hobodeluxe: OgreMagi: There's that whole "fiscal responsibility" thing that is part of the Tea Party platform. Low taxes are a temporary delusion when the government is spending so much and so fast that higher taxes are guaranteed in the near future.

I swear all these "conservative" politicians here are all spouting the same shiat in their ads. "Govt spending is killing jobs"

*facepalm*

Austerity measures ,cutting back on govt staff,is killing jobs.
Our stupid trade policies are killing jobs.
incentives for outsourcing is killing jobs.

Jesus Christ people grow a farking brain.

You haven't been paying attention to the world economy. NATIONS are going broke because they over spent too much for too long and now it's time to pay up, but they can't.

Yes, cutting government staff causes lost jobs. But they are usually useless jobs that produce nothing. Those useless jobs have to be paid for by someone. And that someone is the lucky people who still have jobs. Basic econ. A job has to produce value. Either in goods or services. Government jobs are self perpetuating. Government regulations force you to require a government service that almost never gives you anything of value in return. Even a teenage girl babysitting your kid produces more value than almost all government jobs combined because the value she provides is free time for you to spend as you please.

Note I said "a.most all government jobs". Some are important and worth the money we spend, e.g. roads to drive on, but the pencil pushing bureaucrat who's only job is to make sure you've dotted every i and crossed every t is sucking up your time and your effort for absolutely nothing of worth.

And I'm not a conservative. I'm a social liberal who understands basic math.

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

Nothing ever does.

Um, Slate, a crashed and near-depression economy will do that. So... thanks for reminding everyone that the economic crash mostly occurred during Obama's first term, then?

I know you're trying to propagandize in favor of the Obama administration, but if this is the result of your efforts then as an Obama voter I'm gonna have to ask you to stop farking helping.

NewportBarGuy: What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible.

That's probably because businesses exist to make profits, not to employ people or provide services. If they could have zero employees, zero overhead, and lots of profit, that would be the ideal situation for them. This is why very few people get rich working for other people. If you're waiting for people to stop running companies for profit and start running them for the benefit of the employees, you're going to die waiting.

NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?

Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow.

What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible.

Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation.

This!!!

NewportBarGuy: Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow.

ding ding ding

That is the correct answer. The fact that wages, with the exception of minimum wage and the highest corporate wages, are pretty much the same now as they were 25 years ago doesn't help.

The only influence the President, no matter who he is, has on the economy is one of perception. People like the President, the economy is good, people hate the President, the economy is bad. The fact that the last two Presidents were vilified by about half the population helps no one.

//oversimplification

yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things.

/just sayin'

Teabaggers are all at Bubba's Bait & Ammo stocking up for the election.

here to help: yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things.

/just sayin'

You're not helping. You should be helping. Isn't that why you're here?

"The new CBO report shows Americans paid historic low tax rates during Obama's first year in office."

The FIRST year. The rest have pretty much sucked.

IF a repubehair was in there, the headline would be "3 years of higher taxes. When President Whatshisname (D) was in charge, we enjoyed good tax rates. Now we have only had one good year. What the Fark happened since then?

I cannot stand a double standard.

VOTE. EVERY. MOTHER. farkER. OUT. OF. OFFICE. THIS. ELECTION.

netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad.

2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

Both sides are bad so vote Republican?

dickfreckle: Would you forgive your family member's drug dealer, even though he's not directly responsible? Probably not. And that's how I feel about FOX and the rest of the window-licker diarrhea out there. They galvanize legions of the misinformed, which translates into a negative for society.

I wouldn't "forgive" him because I wouldn't blame the drug dealer at all, so long as there wasn't a "gun to the head" situation. It would be my drug user relative's fault for getting into it. Similarly, would you blame Gillette for a cutter's scars?

Faux News isn't at fault. Your dad is. You're shifting the blame. Which I can understand as you said that you idolized your dad. Anything to lessen the blow, I guess.

Jim_Callahan: Um, Slate, a crashed and near-depression economy will do that. So... thanks for reminding everyone that the economic crash mostly occurred during Obama's first term, then?

I know you're trying to propagandize in favor of the Obama administration, but if this is the result of your efforts then as an Obama voter I'm gonna have to ask you to stop farking helping.

I was laid-off the day after Obama won the election, so I know it must have been mostly his fault.

PisnNapalm:
Lets not forget about the fastest racking up of national debt EVAR!!! Give me a higher tax rate and stop racking up national debt. Balance the god damn budget!

I'd certainly say that we collect a high enough rate of taxes. If the economy weren't in the shiatter, government income would be rolling in. But, using recent history, if government pulls in "X", Congress manages to spend about "X * 1.5" I think I've located the problem.

Another problem: ALL of the really big expenses are somebody's sacred cow. All of the sacred cows need to become hamburger...

Democrats have to give up useless welfare, that is, welfare that goes out as a bunch of checks to those unwilling to work. Welfare needs to be a job working for the government. For most people, "Sit on your arse and do what you want" is preferable to "go to work every day," unless the pay difference is significant. Some people, I am sure, would even take a "pay cut" if they went to work. So, eliminate that crap. You go somewhere and do something for your money, whatever it is. Watch the people FLY off of welfare roles if that is the case.

Additionally, after a suitable "clean-up" period, people should have to prove they are not on drugs to collect welfare. People WITH jobs are often subject to drug testing, most people upon hiring, so why should we pay people to do drugs?

And, Republicans have to give up the huge bloated carcass that is the current military. We have to give up occupying half the world militarily, and stop interfering with every government in the world. We should also get the hell out of our treaties that put us at war if essentially ANYONE is attacked. Sure, we can still defend Europe -- but only if they are willing to pay for their defense. It's time that the German, for instance, defense is paid for by German, rather than American taxpayers -- one way or the other. The same for everyone else, too. Three choices: 1. Start defending yourselves; 2. Pay the U.S. to defend you; 3. Hope the Russian bear isn't hungry.

Additionally, we can't be so bothered with reducing enemy casualties. If someone actually attacks us, make it hurt. We can do that without engaging millions of people to keep hundreds of thousands on the ground, and run around looking for IEDs. Bomb the crap out of SOMETHING, and let people know that attacking us WILL hurt them more than they hurt us, so back the Hell off. Crude but effective.

Yep, EVERYBODY will biatch about that, but that is what we need to do. Ending the idea that welfare is a right will save a buttload of money. Also, staying the fark out of most of the world will make us ever so much less likely to be attacked.

THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!

Orly? I remember having to pay tax on my unemployment benefits when I was laid off...

Fluorescent Testicle: Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House.

Oh, please. You can't be that far out of touch with reality. They simply can't stand having anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan in the White House (for that matter, I think even a reincarnated Reagan might be too far left for some of them).

Many of the same ones that make racist-sounding remarks about Obama would be lining up around the block to be campaign volunteers for a black Presidential candidate - IF he (or she) was sufficiently right-wing. That's not being hypothetical - I personally know Teabaggers who fit that characterization perfectly. Regardless of what terms the bigoted ones use when being bigoted, for most of them at the root it's ideological, not racist (if Hillary had been President instead of Obama, they'd be making sexist remarks about her - in between rants about how horribly Democrats and the media treated Sarah Palin, of course).

Give a Teabagger a Presidential candidate who enthusiastically follows the Tea Party platform and he'll happily pull the lever for that candidate, regardless of gender and regardless of racial heritage - European, African, Hispanic, Native American, Oriental, Arab, Polynesian, Martian, he won't care.

GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.

Good thing we aren't spending a metric asstonne of money on prisons for drug offenders and funding two wars in the middle east. Oh wait...

Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.

That's also called SLATE.COM.

/ I'd expect it from FOX News too if a Republican was Prez.

cretinbob: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

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//never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?

GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.

If incomes hadn't been stagnant for 30 years, we wouldn't be having that problem now. And unless income stagnation ends, we're going to have worse problems.

MyRandomName: Are those "other cuts" the Bush tax cuts the liberals rail on? You don't say... So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more!

No, no they were not the Bush tax cuts. The Obama stimulus package had $237 billion in tax cuts, and more than$100 billion of those were targeted at lower and middle class households, They included things like "Increase Eligibility for the Refundable Portion of Child Credit." and "Computers as Qualified Education Expenses in 529 Education Plans."

Oh heck, you would know that if you really cared, wouldn't you? It's all out there on the webs.

lockers: Kenny B: Blame Bush?

Actually, I blame the 30 year credit bubble that burst. Everyone was along on that ride. But sure, let's focus on the happenstance.

George W. Bush, Mitchell McConnell, John Boehner and the GOP Bankrupted America

*The "Great" recession
*costly blunder known as Medicare part D
*massive tax cuts without spending cuts
*numerous unfunded mandates imposed on the states
*not one veto of a spending bill in 6 years
*Wall Street bailout

Bush Administration worst fiscal disaster in US history
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/66778/roger-c-altman-and-richa r d-n-haass/american-profligacy-and-american-power

Economic Damage Caused by Bush and the GOP
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/09/closing-the-book- o n-the-bush-legacy/26402

8 Years of Failure
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1872229_18 7 2230_1872231,00.html

Bush/Boehner/McConnell $700 billion bailout http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/bush.bailout/index.html Bush/Boehner/McConnell bailout rewards the cheaters http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_7655582 What Bush Learned From Enron: How to hide an$87 billion debt by pretending it's off the books.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2088318/

Is Bush a socialist? He's spending like one
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article570387.ece

Bush pleads with China and Japan to save him from his economic failures.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-10-19-bush-china-japan_x . htm

Bush White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR200 8 021302783.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020617-2.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/2004 0 809-9.html

Bush's Minority Homeownership Plan Rests Heavily on Fannie and Freddie (2006)
http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20020624_bushplan.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2004-01-20-fha_x.htm

Community Reinvestment Act not to blame for Bush's crisis
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_su b prime_crisis
http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/pagenum/all/%23page_start
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/03/feds-kroszner-defends-commu n ity-reinvestment-act/

The $10 trillion hangover: paying the price for 8 years of Bush http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/0082337 http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/09/cheney-bush-left-gm-bankruptcy-for - the-next-guy/ Bush Administration waste and fraud http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1152ap_wartime_spending_oversi g ht.html?source=mypi In June 1995, Boehner distributed campaign contributions from tobacco industry lobbyists on the House floor as House members were weighing how to vote on tobacco subsidies.[19] In a 1996 documentary by PBS called The People and the Power Game, Boehner said "They asked me to give out a half dozen checks quickly before we got to the end of the month and I complied. And I did it on the House floor." On September 18, 2008, Congressman Boehner attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day (trade effective the next day), Congressman Boehner cashed out of an equity mutual fund.[31] On October 3, 2008 Boehner voted in favor of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP),[32] believing that the enumerated powers grant Congress the authority to "purchase assets and equity from financial institutions in order to strengthen its financial sector." KimNorth: rohar: ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference? Oh, but they did. Maybe not for you, but rates changed quite dramatically. Is giving people tax credits who paid no taxes or got all their money back that they paid in plus thousand more a rate change? No, but tax cuts for the rich in exchange for raising the debt limit did happen. So did tax cuts as part of the recovery act. You can spin it all you like, but there it is. theMightyRegeya: Smeggy Smurf: Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be. You might want to look into that Romney character. /voting for Alfred E. Newman //he's not worried No thanks. I'm not going to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. That's insane. I'm voting Libertarian. The same shiat different day thing has to stop. Mean Daddy: Now if I could only get a job so I could pay taxes. Details, details, details... Start a business. Not for lack of trying. Any one of his budgets that will never see the light of day would increase taxes dramatically. /O.K., for lack of trying. Smeggy Smurf: No thanks. I'm not going to do the same thing over and over expecting different results. That's insane. I'm voting Libertarian. The same shiat different day thing has to stop. Cause Libertarians are really good with the idea of pressuring the private sector to fix up things like 30 years of stagnant wages. Debating with a Repulican is like teaching a pig to dance.It only frustrates you and angers the pig. untaken_name: here to help: yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things. /just sayin' You're not helping. You should be helping. Isn't that why you're here? Oh fine... *rubs untaken_name's feet* ... dude... fungicide, brah. It smells like grandmas vagina and a cheese shop wrestling to the death down here. Obama is the greatest President ever, and I don't know why we don't make him President for life. People are so stupid. Why can they see that government will fix everything if only the Tea Baggers would go away. Sherman Potter: Obama is the greatest President ever, and I don't know why we don't make him President for life. People are so stupid. Why can they see that government will fix everything if only the Tea Baggers would go away. I live with my mom GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things. Please, for the love of Christ, don't ever speak of economic matters from this day forward. Take up macramé or something. You have no f*cking idea what you are talking about and should really move on to a subject you can grasp. Try sports! You call call into sports radio and scream about how some team sucks. You'll love it. Thanks for your understanding. I'm not calling you stupid, you just choose to talk about a subject you have no idea about. It happens all the time. You'll get over it. The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white. The Tea Party candidate was Herman Cain. I guess that means you must be a great big giant farking idiot. Yeah Sherman.Obama started a war over a fictitious threat that cost over a trillion.Under Obama the twin towers were knocked down while he read my pet goat. Obama stated he didn't care about Bin Laden.The economy collapsed under Obama as he was the first to prop up the banking system. Obama's staff have been involved with countless scandels and when called to explain could nt remember a single thing.Obama tried to rig the justice system to be beholden to his party.God i could go on ad naseum. The only problem the right has with Obama is he isn't "one of them". That and he has a social conscience.Fear and consumption,the credo of the right. I say end the War On Drugs, or at the very least the war on pot. Legalize it and tax the hell out of it. That creates a huge revenue stream, and cuts the cost of law enforcement. It's ridiculous that pot is lumped in with coke, heroin, crack, meth, etc. Watch an episode of Mike and Molly sometime. Her sister is a total pothead on the show, and it's hilarious. Not so much if she's snorting/injecting herself. Second, I actually agree with GeneralJim. Cut the hell out of our military budget, we should not have troops in countries if we aren't reimbursed for protecting them. One more thing. TenP0unds0fCheese is a worthless COCK. GeneralJim: PisnNapalm: Lets not forget about the fastest racking up of national debt EVAR!!! Give me a higher tax rate and stop racking up national debt. Balance the god damn budget! I'd certainly say that we collect a high enough rate of taxes. If the economy weren't in the shiatter, government income would be rolling in. But, using recent history, if government pulls in "X", Congress manages to spend about "X * 1.5" I think I've located the problem. Another problem: ALL of the really big expenses are somebody's sacred cow. All of the sacred cows need to become hamburger... Democrats have to give up useless welfare, that is, welfare that goes out as a bunch of checks to those unwilling to work. Welfare needs to be a job working for the government. For most people, "Sit on your arse and do what you want" is preferable to "go to work every day," unless the pay difference is significant. Some people, I am sure, would even take a "pay cut" if they went to work. So, eliminate that crap. You go somewhere and do something for your money, whatever it is. Watch the people FLY off of welfare roles if that is the case. Additionally, after a suitable "clean-up" period, people should have to prove they are not on drugs to collect welfare. People WITH jobs are often subject to drug testing, most people upon hiring, so why should we pay people to do drugs? And, Republicans have to give up the huge bloated carcass that is the current military. We have to give up occupying half the world militarily, and stop interfering with every government in the world. We should also get the hell out of our treaties that put us at war if essentially ANYONE is attacked. Sure, we can still defend Europe -- but only if they are willing to pay for their defense. It's time that the German, for instance, defense is paid for by German, rather than American taxpayers -- one way or the other. The same for everyone else, too. Three choices: 1. Start defending yourselves; 2. Pay the U.S. to de ... Corporate welfare,farm subsidies Jim.These are the real problems,not helping the poor live. Chevron, which made$26.9 billion profit in 2011, paid 19 percent:
Citizens for Tax Justice considers U.S. profits and U.S. taxes paid only. By that measure, Exxon Mobil paid 13 percent of its U.S. income in taxes after deductions and benefits in 2011, according to a Reuters calculation of securities filings.
It is a far cry from the 35 percent top corporate tax rate.

Mr.Man: Don't forget oil subsidies, and the crazy low tax on capital gains...

I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

After the announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years.

I found this article in Western Journalism that scares me and should frighten all of us.

Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous.....

A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders

JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH

There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

* Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

* Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.

* Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

* Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health...he has it covered.

While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

Jimmysolson: Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

Executive order 11000 was signed by JFK, Obama has signed not even 200 executive orders to date, none of the listed executive orders are Obama's, or even within 1,000 of being his. His first executive order was somewhere in the 13450 neighborhood.

Jimmysolson: health...he has it covered.

While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

Oh, I'm sure the person who sent you this is a height-weight proportional, non-Hoveround-riding, triple-digit IQ, non-kiddie-diddler who does not spend the majority of his waking hours shoving entire chocolate cakes into his mouth with the heel of his hand. This guy seems legit.

cameroncrazy1984: kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes

Except for this part:

But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package

Oh, and don't forget this part, "Republicans in congress insisted on tax cut extensions for the 'job creators' making over $250,000 a year", which is why we have such a low unemployment rate today. WhyteRaven74: Jimmysolson: Should I block messages from this person who sent it? Executive order 11000 was signed by JFK, Obama has signed not even 200 executive orders to date, none of the listed executive orders are Obama's, or even within 1,000 of being his. His first executive order was somewhere in the 13450 neighborhood. whidbey: Jimmysolson: health...he has it covered. While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty. [3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x318] I know none of you here would out and out lie to me. I am left to believe the person or persons responsible are spreading falsehoods. :( FlashHarry: Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I was coming in to quote this from the FA. Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. also FTA: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package. The lowest fifth of earners saw the most dramatic decrease, paying an average tax rate of 1 percent compared to 5.1 percent in 2007. either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat. To all you farking farkers who talk about OTHER people needing to pay "their fair share"...if you are part of the 50% who pay nothing feel free to STFU and DIAF. I am sick of paying for people to smoke and shiat out more kids. If you are paying half your money to Uncle Sam like us working stiffs, then feel free to comment. Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower. Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%! Unless they live in one of the 45 states that have a sales tax, then they get taxed on their relief money. Oops! seventypercent: Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today. Is this all a pack of lies? Should I be at all concerned? Should I block messages from this person who sent it? Oh, I'm sure the person who sent you this is a height-weight proportional, non-Hoveround-riding, triple-digit IQ, non-kiddie-diddler who does not spend the majority of his waking hours shoving entire chocolate cakes into his mouth with the heel of his hand. This guy seems legit. Oh oh, differing opinions, now I'm confused! But he wanted to use tax dollars to provide health care for blah people. This is unacceptable. In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year Yeah, thought so. here to help: untaken_name: here to help: yanno, guys... when every single one of you is trolling it kind of takes the fun out of things. /just sayin' You're not helping. You should be helping. Isn't that why you're here? Oh fine... *rubs untaken_name's feet* ... dude... fungicide, brah. It smells like grandmas vagina and a cheese shop wrestling to the death down here. Sorry, bro, I should stop jogging in my crocs. Also, you shouldn't know how your grandmother's vagina smells. I mean, that's just wrong. Also, use a heavier touch. That tickles. NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow. What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible. Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation. Nice to see someone else has the same take on the situation as I do. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think this all started with that prick Reagan. Everything became schmooze and image. Bwaahahaha! Tell that to my tax return! I know what I paid over the last 8 years. I don't need some biased political hack to piss on my and tell me it's raining. TenJed_77: Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think this all started with that prick Reagan. Not even close. Look about 70 years farther back. Ceiling Moran: Sherman Potter: Obama is the greatest President ever, and I don't know why we don't make him President for life. People are so stupid. Why can they see that government will fix everything if only the Tea Baggers would go away. I live with my mom Crap. Really? Zero? I suck. Shirley Ujest: My condolences. We've gone through nearly the same path with my FIL. Being in the same room with him is painful because OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY vomits out of him. It is all Fox News fault. After my Mother in Law died, my wife's father hooked up with this dumb as a box of rocks woman who hates Obama and thinks Sarah Palin is the bee's knees. He seems to have followed her into the Pit of Despair. Funny thing is, her being from the "Party of Personal Responsibility" and all, when they got together, she was upside-down in her house, and her car was on the verge of being repossessed. He bought her car for her, and immediately got her something to drive that she liked better. He got her out from under her house. Now she works about 20 hours a week, and just sucks up the retirement that he worked 2 jobs for just as he's finally ready to retire. She sees something she wants and they get it. She decides they want a horse, and adopt not one, not even two, but four, and then when one turns out to be pregnant, she decides they will be keeping the colt as well. Now her wages are supposed to be at least paying for the horses(Since she doesn't pay for anything else), yet he keeps paying for things like a trailer, a truck to pull the trailer with, vet bills, etc. A 50 year old woman without a single adult bone in her body, no ability to come into an already existing family and fit in(The grandkids the predated her by a full decade are suddenly a 'nuisance'.), and no financial sense at all is sure that ALL of her problems only started 3 years ago, ignoring the fact that all of her financial crap went way before that. Luckily, I dropped out of the FWD: FWD: FWD: list pretty quickly after a few reply all's pointing out the logical fallacies in whatever dish of derp she was passing on. It's a shame, too, because my father in law could do a LOT better. Of course, so could anyone in a relationship with a nutball Tea Bagger, I guess. G-Rot: > Hey look, that was three years ago during Obama's first year in office when he had nothing to do with said tax rate. /So you CAN thank Bush //and the Republicans ///moron Oh cute, another illiterate who got mommy to read part of the article for him. Go smack her upside the head, she left THIS part out: Although figures are only available through 2009, the CBO expects to see the historic lows maintained through 2010 and 2011. To be fair, it WAS in the second half of the second paragraph, and she was on a tight schedule. I TOLD her what I'd do if she was late with my sandwich again. theMightyRegeya: /I don't care, I get 50mpg //sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people Depends on where those miles are. I'd like to see your Prius come up into the mountains with my stock Jeep Cherokee. //Sure it sounds smug, but at least I can be a nice guy and pull your little hybrid out of a snowbank. GeneralJim: Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Dan Rather's report was 100% correct Bush was MIA for months after he was supposed to report for duty in Arkansas. GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things. I love how you factor in business bailouts, tax cuts, as part of the spending equation, but seem to completely ignore the line called revenue that keeps dropping and dropping except for some made up "projected" increase MyRandomName: So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more! The depression wiped out wealth for 80% of Americans. Of course the wealthy with their huge piece of the pie are going to show a bigger portion of taxes paid because of that. intelligent comment below: MyRandomName: So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more! The depression wiped out wealth for 80% of Americans. Of course the wealthy with their huge piece of the pie are going to show a bigger portion of taxes paid because of that. If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes. theMightyRegeya: pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!"

Oh, there were liberals who blamed Bush. But yeah, people like me...I had no sympathy for people who bought the ginormous SUVs. Naturally, as the owner of a hybrid, I get all kinds of shiat about stupid liberals and their stupid liberal cars.

/I don't care, I get 50mpg
//sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people

You also paid more for the car, and if it is a Prius it will take you around 13 years to make up the price difference.
Hell, I get 40mpg with my 2.2l turbo diesel, that I bought used, and the VW Golf VI 2.0l that my fiancée has gets 52mg.
/go be smug somewhere else

FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.

eggrolls: FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.

Well, *something* pertaining to that post is certainly simple.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."

"I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises."

-- Henry Morgenthau Jr., Secretary of the Treasury under FDR
These statements were made in 1939.

untaken_name: If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes.

Logic, do you have it?

If the wealthy top 1% control 40% of the wealth, and the top 10% control 85% of the wealth, they end up paying more than everyone else.

Your argument is a one sided attempt to hide the fact that the wealthy have never controlled so much wealth yet paid so little in taxes.

intelligent comment below: untaken_name: If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes.

Logic, do you have it?

If the wealthy top 1% control 40% of the wealth, and the top 10% control 85% of the wealth, they end up paying more than everyone else.

Your argument is a one sided attempt to hide the fact that the wealthy have never controlled so much wealth yet paid so little in taxes.

I'm not attempting to hide anything. You're the moron who's implying that because the wealthy own more now than they ever have, that's why they pay a larger portion of taxes. But the truth is that the top 10% of taxpayers has ALWAYS paid a larger portion of taxes. From the time the income tax was instituted, the top 10% of taxpayers has invariably paid the largest portion of taxes. This was true even when the tax was only levied on the top 1% of income earners. So how is the fact that they pay a larger portion of taxes at all germane to the fact that they control more now than they ever have? They have always paid a larger portion of taxes. Yes, the ultra-rich are using the ignorance of the masses to effect a massive wealth transfer the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1930s. But that has nothing at all to do with the portion of taxes they pay, and everything to do with the usurious practices of our banks, other financial institutions, and governments.

Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

I was coming in to quote this from the FA.

Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?!

\That's called spin.

Here's one more for the spin cycle:

Since, as Obama had repeatedly claimed, he inherited the recession then it would make sense that Bush is responsible for tax decline.

Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today.
Is this all a pack of lies?
Should I be at all concerned?
Should I block messages from this person who sent it?

After the announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years.

I found this article in Western Journalism that scares me and should frighten all of us.

Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous.....

A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders

JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH

There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

* Executive Ord ...

You could block that person, OR you could debunk to them that pile of bullshiat with help from the National Archives website which has indexes of all Executive orders from 1937 to the present.

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

Here's the original source of that "information". Note that she even made a correction about her original claims, but surely not before it was FW: FW: FW:'d thousands of times. Link

untaken_name: ot even close. Look about 70 years farther back.

You do realize that would be 1942? Yeah right, I'm sure you do.
/trolls more and more everyday.

austin_millbarge:
dickfreckle: Maybe you should stop extrapolating one or two stupid posts into what all liberals believe.

THIS

and there isn't a font big enough to emphasize it enough

Yeah, and leftists should stop doing the same to conservatives -- or reading from the one racist moron who shows up at a TEA Party meeting, and has EVERY photographer take his picture, and EVERY correspondent interview him.

And, "What you REALLY mean," "What you're trying to do," and any phrase like that, phrases that indicate you know what someone is thinking, should be just dropped, as well.

MyRandomName: Coco LaFemme: The thing that always gives me the tickles, is you hear these Teatards ranting and raving about how we need to go back to the "good ol' days", which means when blacks and women were subservient to their white male overlords, but what they don't also realize is back in the "good ol' days", the marginal tax rate was in the 90th percentile. It's what, 36% percent now? If 36% is too much and worthy of a revolt, what the fark would these crackers do at 90% or more? Spontaneously combust?

Not to mention, those fat assholes on the Hoveround scooters wouldn't have Medicare to pay for it, since there was no Medicare until 1965. Or Medicaid either.

Wow, ignorance abounds! Comparing the marginal tax rates means jack shiats without accounting for AGI. There were many more loopholes under those tax codes.

Most racists are, in fact, ignorant. It seems to be either a cause or very closely related.

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TenJed_77: untaken_name: ot even close. Look about 70 years farther back.
You do realize that would be 1942? Yeah right, I'm sure you do.
/trolls more and more everyday.

No, dude, I said SEVENTY years before 1980. The answer is obviously 1839. DUMBASS.

Yay, we're all making less money than ever....congrats Obamatrons!

The Jami Turman Fan Club: shotglasss: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.

And the blacks will vote for Obama because?????

He's black, no other reason.

Naturally. Why, if Hillary was president, she wouldn't get a single black vote.

Uhh.......no. My ex-husband is black (as am I). When the primary was going on in 2007/2008, he was supporting Hilary Clinton and I was supporting Barack Obama. In fact, he acted like he couldn't stand Obama. I actually think that he was jealous. Just saying.

ManRay: Rates didn't change. What's the difference?

Didn't President Obama lower the payroll tax? That had nothing to do with Bush.

GeneralJim: dickfreckle: Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.
Now you know how rational people feel watching others be programmed by the MSM. Most of you don't believe something happened if it doesn't appear on MSM. It's a lot like Soviet state-run media.

It's not at ALL like Fox is out there trying to influence opinion, while the MSM gives you the straight facts. Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point. Whether someone watches only Fox, or only MSM, they are not getting the full story. To be informed one should watch (assuming only TV news...) MSM or Fox, whichever they prefer, for no more than 75% of the time, and watch the OTHER for at least 25%. That way, you will at least be exposed to issues that "your" side is covering up.

Look up old clips from when CNN started out -- man, they were straight-up objective, and it was great. That didn't last long. Once Ted Turner started banging Hanoi Jane Fonda, the leftist slant came in. Coincidence? I dunno, but it seems likely that the little head started "directing" the news so as to reduce turmoil on the home front.

Ummm.....I watch CNN in order not to have a slant. We know watching MSNBC will lead a left slant and FOX will have a right slant. I haven't seen the left slant that you claim on CNN. I appreciate that during conversations, they have more than one representative from the opposing viewpoints. I think that it's a shame that on FOXNews, Juan Williams is the resident "LIBERAL" (even though he is not terribly left leaning) and he gets shouted down by three other right leaning show guests. At least CNN will have 5 right leaning and 5 left leaning. Then they report the numbers. That's it. I appreciate that.

kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc.

If you work, and your income remains steady, it is true. Remember, Obamacare and the laws it puts in place will increase all kinds of taxes and introduce tons more. Why do you think he made sure it does not take effect until well after the election?

Making everyone poor then saying you lowered their taxes is pretty goddamn dumb. But, liberals fall for it.

OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias.

Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral.

THIS

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Really the only thing Romney has to do to get Teabaggers to vote for him is to be white.

Heh...if his pollster told him to, Romney would dye his skin.

He's changed every OTHER position he's ever held...

Smeggy Smurf: Low taxes now due to a system of tax cuts in place by Bush do not mean jack shiat when we're looking at the biggest tax increase in US history. Uncertainty has been Fartbongo's calling card for his entire term. Anybody that will say Yes or No and stick with it can kick his ass in November if for no other reason than we'll know how bad the rape is going to be.

Yep. How dare Obama consider raising taxes to REAGAN era level?

browntimmy: The_Original_Roxtar: When I was making 30k per year less than I am now, I was also paying a lower tax rate.

Nice way to spin "people are making a farkton less money" into a positive for obama.

So please explain how this justifies the Tea Party again.

As soon as you explain how that has anything to do with the statement I made.

TenJed_77: theMightyRegeya: pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault

I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!" Oh, there were liberals who blamed Bush. But yeah, people like me...I had no sympathy for people who bought the ginormous SUVs. Naturally, as the owner of a hybrid, I get all kinds of shiat about stupid liberals and their stupid liberal cars. /I don't care, I get 50mpg //sure it sounds smug, but I can drive 25-35 miles more on a gallon of gas than most people You also paid more for the car, and if it is a Prius it will take you around 13 years to make up the price difference. Hell, I get 40mpg with my 2.2l turbo diesel, that I bought used, and the VW Golf VI 2.0l that my fiancée has gets 52mg. /go be smug somewhere else Depends...I got my Honda Civic hybrid for the same price as a regular Civic. You mean to tell me when nobody is making any money that the avg tax rate will go down? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell ya. Virtual_Mischief: the801: i blame the jews. they created the whole 'tea party' thing to spread any disinformation they wanted to the lower middle class unintelligent people. wily jews. go find all of the chief executives of your favorite oppressive local government, and the find all of the freemasons in that aspect of government. the number you get will be way more than 50 not_sure_if_serious.exe Hope he answer until then he stays marked for that comment. So we agree that lower taxes is generally a good thing then, right? netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. Yes it is, and it has EVERYTHING to do with Obama. and "in part", my butt. If the people who pay the highest marginal rates dont make as much money, the average rate is going to drop. who doesent understand this, except for Subby, I mean. untaken_name: eggrolls: FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression. It's that simple. Well, *something* pertaining to that post is certainly simple. "I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!" "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work." "I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises." -- Henry Morgenthau Jr., Secretary of the Treasury under FDR These statements were made in 1939. Here's a tip...just because some Beck-tard's book makes it into a Wikipedia cite, doesn't make it true. Go read a REAL book. cc_rider: Jimmysolson: I just got this email message from some non-believer today. Is this all a pack of lies? Should I be at all concerned? Should I block messages from this person who sent it? After the announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years. I found this article in Western Journalism that scares me and should frighten all of us. Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous..... A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription. * Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals. * Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. * Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions. * Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. * Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. * Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations. * ... what pisses me off about this chain email is that the author could have investigated it properly before putting it out. Instead, she put out crap and this crap is getting sent around the internet as if it were fact. How irresponsible of the author. She should have her internet privileges taken away for 10 years. untaken_name: eggrolls: FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression. It's that simple. Well, *something* pertaining to that post is certainly simple. "I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!" "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work." "I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises." -- Henry Morgenthau Jr., Secretary of the Treasury under FDR These statements were made in 1939. And didn't he look like an ass by 1944. Seriously, his influence on economic policy is widely considered the reason for the 'depression within the depression' of 1937 when FDR did enact sweeping cuts to New Deal programs and many other entitlements, and the recovery faltered. Also, keep in mind he was the one who developed Social Security, and spearheaded the idea that it be paid for with a payroll tax. He hated deficit spending yes, but he was just a much bigger advocate of taxing the rich to balance the budget. I'd be cool with that, too. Besides, don't you want the guy in charge of your checkbook to be a little more conservative with your money than you are? And don't assume being glib means uninformed. Nil Tu Aris: So we agree that lower taxes is generally a good thing then, right? They're a good thing for economic growth, if you give them to people who will spend the extra money rather than hoard it. Thunderpipes: kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc. If you work, and your income remains steady, it is true. Remember, Obamacare and the laws it puts in place will increase all kinds of taxes and introduce tons more. Why do you think he made sure it does not take effect until well after the election? Making everyone poor then saying you lowered their taxes is pretty goddamn dumb. But, liberals fall for it. Uh...no. But nice try. 3/10 Come on. You can do better than that. *wanders off to look at taxes on groceries and gas in Tennessee* Hasn't saved me anything on that yet. thenewmissus: OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias. Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral. THIS The joke, you have missed it. "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" was a joke originally done by Steven Colbert. It's often paraphrased to draw emphasis to how modern Republicans/Conservatives ignore facts and reality if it conflicts with their ideology (which is frequent). Climatology stats say conclusively that global warming is occurring? Obvious liberal bias in that reality. US Constitution, Treaty of Tripoli and quotes from the Founding Fathers all say the US wasn't founded to be a Christian Theocracy? Obvious liberal bias from those facts. All legitimate academic biology research supports in evolution over creationism or "intelligent design"? Obvious liberal bias in those facts too. Progressives, a.k.a. liberals use facts to support decision making. Conservatives use dogma to support decision making, without regard to the facts. FlashHarry: Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I was coming in to quote this from the FA. Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. also FTA: But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package. The lowest fifth of earners saw the most dramatic decrease, paying an average tax rate of 1 percent compared to 5.1 percent in 2007. either way it flies in the face of the teabaggers' "taxed enough already" bullshiat. Really? The work force participation rate is the lowest it's been in 30 years too and you people are going to try and spin this into more Obama worship? Look, I'm third party so I'm perfectly willing to admit that Obama inherited this crisis but for the same reason I'll tell you that his efforts to fix the economy have been a complete failure. I don't know if Romney will fix anything but I do know Obama won't. He's had his chance and failed. I'm not voting for either one of them either way. Wyalt Derp: Nil Tu Aris: So we agree that lower taxes is generally a good thing then, right? They're a good thing for economic growth, if you give them to people who will spend the extra money rather than hoard it. But people who "hoard it" are usually looking for the best opportunity to invest it. Promising to tax them if they do so discourages investment. That's why we have a lot of cash sitting on the sidelines. We need a boost in consumer AND investor confidence. Taxing and spending like there's no tomorrow is not a good recipe to instill that confidence or for growth. Frankly, I don't care if Obama is the one who gets it right or if it takes a new administration but we need a turnaround in policy before we can get this economy back on track. thenewmissus: Thunderpipes: kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc. If you work, and your income remains steady, it is true. Remember, Obamacare and the laws it puts in place will increase all kinds of taxes and introduce tons more. Why do you think he made sure it does not take effect until well after the election? Making everyone poor then saying you lowered their taxes is pretty goddamn dumb. But, liberals fall for it. Uh...no. But nice try. 3/10 Come on. You can do better than that. Truth hurts doesn't it? Economy is doing terribad, and it is only getting worse. Raising taxes on the evil rich, 53% of those being business owners, is not going to help the economy at all. Just once, I would like a Democrat to actually reduce spending. We can't fix our issues with revenue. We need to drastically cut spending. Obama is not "saving" money when we will get 10 trillion in debt added during his tenure. Promising poor, dumb people free stuff gets Democrats votes. Just hurts the country. Ofcourse, when 50% pay nothing it tends to skew the average... wait till the Obamacare taxes kick in Deacon Blue: Krikkitbot: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year. This has nothing to do with Obama. I was coming in to quote this from the FA. Hey, you are paying less in taxes because you made less money this year, ain't Obama awesome?! \That's called spin. How did you make your slashie go the other way like that? / / / I can 't do it. //// // ? !%&^&*((^ How HOw!!???? \ please tell me Easy peasy, I turned my keyboard around. | this is what happens when I have my keyboard at a 45 degree angle || it makes typing harder though ||| not as hard as when it's all the way around, though GeneralJim: KimNorth: How did you post in green print?? By inserting the HTML code into the message. See how HERE. Get a chart of available colors HERE. Now ask yourself, "Why would anyone want to post in another color other than to be an attention whore?" TenJed_77: NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow. What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible. Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation. Nice to see someone else has the same take on the situation as I do. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think this all started with that prick Reagan. Everything became schmooze and image. Globalization and immigration led to the decline in wages of the working class. Businesses ALWAYS sought to be as efficient as possible, weighing the benefit of reduced expenses with changes in quality to maximize profit. And rightly so. Nothing changed in the 1980s in this regard. What did change is that globalization, and to a lesser extent increased immigration, provided businesses with greater opportunities to reduce costs. dickfreckle: I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room. This exact same thing happened to me. When I was growing up, I gained my open-mindedness and compassion from my parents, especially my Dad. In the last half-dozen years it's changed dramatically. Rush is always on the radio. Atlas Shrugged on the coffee table along w/ Palin, and other conservative authors. A teabag hangs from his rearview mirror, and he made his own sign for conservative rallies that says, "We Can't Afford Free Healthcare." He used to listen to Bob and Tom, Prairie Home Companion, and Car Talk. He used to second-guess the news and helped show me how the media will twist stories, both MSNBC and FOX. Obama could single-handedly cure every sickness on earth and he'd be pissed because doctors lost their jobs. And where's my Mom? Right beside him at protests. I just don't get it. Nil Tu Aris: Taxing and spending like there's no tomorrow is not a good recipe to instill that confidence or for growth. You say that as though it's a thing that's actually happening in real life, instead of a silly catchphrase. In reality, taxes and spending have both been cut under this administration, so a "turnaround in policy" would see both go back up again. NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: //never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right? Actually, it was Business School policies that drove down average income. They basically, over 30 years, eliminated pensions, moved most of the payroll to the executive side, and fired as many people as technology would allow. What they've created is very profitable companies with as few workers as possible paid as little as possible we as few benefits as possible. Unfortunately, given that we are a consumer-driven economy, this does not seem to be an economically viable situation. knows how you feel cc_rider: You could block that person, OR you could debunk to them that pile of bullshiat with help from the National Archives website which has indexes of all Executive orders from 1937 to the present. Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index Will do. Thanks for the link! Wyalt Derp: Nil Tu Aris: Taxing and spending like there's no tomorrow is not a good recipe to instill that confidence or for growth. You say that as though it's a thing that's actually happening in real life, instead of a silly catchphrase. In reality, taxes and spending have both been cut under this administration, so a "turnaround in policy" would see both go back up again. I'm glad we're in agreement that cutting taxes and cutting spending are good things to help the economy. Now, about that your suggestion to the effect that taxes are going down and spending is not going up.... I would think some facts would be in order to support that conclusion. Apparently a lot of people are idiots. Tea Party and Occupy are two different things. Occupy was about taxes and such. The Tea Party is about REFORMING GOVERNMENT, a.k.a. voting everyone out and starting over. Nil Tu Aris: I'm glad we're in agreement that cutting taxes and cutting spending are good things to help the economy. Now, about that your suggestion to the effect that taxes are going down and spending is not going up.... I would think some facts would be in order to support that conclusion. Taxes: Dude, read the article. Spending: Let me google that for you: So, using inflation-adjusted dollars, Obama had the second-lowest increase -- in fact, he actually presided over a decrease once inflation is taken into account. By the way, I don't think we agreed any such thing. I'm extremely uninterested in bad-faith arguing. Good day, sir. I basically came here to call this BS. My effective tax rate was between 6.8% and 7.58% during the Bush years. In fact, 2007 I paid 6.8%. I have seen a steady rise in my effective rate since Obama took power and last year paid an effective rate of 12.65% (the highest I have ever paid). (FYI, my AGI is WELL BELOW$250k).

JMan245: Apparently a lot of people are idiots. Tea Party and Occupy are two different things. Occupy was about taxes and such. The Tea Party is about REFORMING GOVERNMENT, a.k.a. voting everyone out and starting over.

I think this whole thread is the largest amount of stupid that I have ever seen.

dragonchild: whidbey: We get it. He's balck.

Balck?

It's the vodak

Thunderpipes:
Just once, I would like a Democrat to actually reduce spending. We can't fix our issues with revenue. We need to drastically cut spending. Obama is not "saving" money when we will get 10 trillion in debt added during his tenure. Promising poor, dumb people free stuff gets Democrats votes. Just hurts the country.

Yeah, he's a big spender. And that Clinton guy, what a spendaholic he was.

Shut up, you farking ass.

FlashHarry: hey, look - more facts that completely refute what republicans claim!

Utterly false.

The effective income tax rate was lower because not having a job = 0% effective income tax rate.

The tax rate went up, the number of people with jobs went down.

Apparently the people running the Slate are the same people who don't know what a profit margin is. If I hear "record profits" one more time...

/for those too stupid to know already, with inflation being a constant and real thing means you'll always have record profit and record sales, because money is worth less what it used to be

GAT_00: Where is your Tea Party now?

Hiding in their corner with their fingers shoved in their ears screaming for Fox to come save them from the evil facts.

Just like how Al Gore's chart "proved" global warming, but everyone who actual knew how to read charts knew he was reading it wrong?

Taxes were lower because an extra 4% of the country wasn't working. Durrrr.

kronicfeld: As the article makes clear, this is primarily due to the recession and declining incomes, not any specific policy of Obama's - and particularly not in 2009. But it gives lie to the line we've been hearing for over three years, specifically, that your taxes have gone up under Obama, that he's passed the largest tax hikes in history, etc.

Oh, was Obamacare in effect in 2009?

/lulz

netizencain: GAT_00: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

It worries me that you actually might have that simplistic view of the world.

I didn't say that's how I view the world. Its how many people view things. My taxes are lower, it must be Obama. I don't have a job, it must be Obama. People like simple justifications AI pretty graphs with no context. It make it easier for them.

Your taxes are lower because you don't have a job. Obama takes credit for giving you a tax cut!

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!

Took this far to find an intelligent poster. Sad.

untaken_name: I'm not attempting to hide anything. You're the moron who's implying that because the wealthy own more now than they ever have, that's why they pay a larger portion of taxes. But the truth is that the top 10% of taxpayers has ALWAYS paid a larger portion of taxes. From the time the income tax was instituted, the top 10% of taxpayers has invariably paid the largest portion of taxes. This was true even when the tax was only levied on the top 1% of income earners. So how is the fact that they pay a larger portion of taxes at all germane to the fact that they control more now than they ever have? They have always paid a larger portion of taxes. Yes, the ultra-rich are using the ignorance of the masses to effect a massive wealth transfer the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1930s. But that has nothing at all to do with the portion of taxes they pay, and everything to do with the usurious practices of our banks, other financial institutions, and governments.

You ramble a hell of a lot. The wealthy few have always controlled the majority of the wealth, so of course they are always going to pay a majority of taxes, even when their taxes are at the lowest point during this era.

Who do you think pushes banks and other financial institutions to be unscrupulous? THE WEALTHY

Go back to the gym in 26 minutes, they won't sleep with you

Debeo Summa Credo: Businesses ALWAYS sought to be as efficient as possible, weighing the benefit of reduced expenses with changes in quality to maximize profit. And rightly so. Nothing changed in the 1980s in this regard.

False

Businesses were granted corporate charters and requested renewals based on the work they were doing to benefit the communities they served in.

This changed in the modern era, where people were brainwashed into viewing corporations as a way to enrich their pocket books at the expense of society.

Debeo Summa Credo: What did change is that globalization, and to a lesser extent increased immigration, provided businesses with greater opportunities to reduce costs.

That is true, corporations were given the option of wage slavery with citizens too poor to have any other choices in 3rd world shiat holes

Bullseyed: Your taxes are lower because you don't have a job. Obama takes credit for giving you a tax cut!

Bullseyed: Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!

Took this far to find an intelligent poster. Sad.

Bullseyed: Taxes were lower because an extra 4% of the country wasn't working. Durrrr.

But, the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and other cuts bundled in the stimulus package.

I'm not voting for Obama for this reason. We have mountains of debt. We are losing public services left and right. Yet, raising taxes is off the table. It's stupid. And, Obama has failed every chance he's had to raise more money.

browntimmy:
Actually you shouldn't be wasting your time watching any of the 24 hour news networks. Unless you're an idiot who thinks watching shows that are 90% commentary by someone with below average to average intelligence counts as news.

Good call. BUT, the point was how to avoid a bias if you WERE glued into that. Keeping one's intelligence as high as it once was is a whole separate issue. I like various science documentaries, when the stations involved aren't running those asinine reality shows. What are there, five or six reality shows about various pawn shops? Holy crap! Maybe grandma was right: TV WILL suck out your brains...

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I'm not voting for Obama for this reason. We have mountains of debt. We are losing public services left and right. Yet, raising taxes is off the table. It's stupid. And, Obama has failed every chance he's had to raise more money.

It's off the table because Republicans will do everything to stop it from happening. They forced Democrats to accept the lower tax rate for a year to get their unemployment extension passed. Right now, Obama is campaigning on it, and he hopes people wake up and vote more Republicans out of office.

GeneralJim: I like various science documentaries

What happens when they start talking about global warming? Do they suck your brains out?

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I'm not voting for Obama for this reason. We have mountains of debt. We are losing public services left and right. Yet, raising taxes is off the table. It's stupid. And, Obama has failed every chance he's had to raise more money.

...and Romney is the better choice?

MrHappyRotter: This is absolutely untrue. There was one year when Bush was in office that I owed taxes at the end of the year. But since Obama's been in office, I've had to pay extra on my taxes EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

So you are a bad planner, or you need a better tax adviser. Not anyone's problem but yours.

\as repuglicans like to remind us
\maybe willard romney can help
\he has friends
\in the caymans
\and switzerland
\and bermuda

machone: I basically came here to call this BS. My effective tax rate was between 6.8% and 7.58% during the Bush years. In fact, 2007 I paid 6.8%. I have seen a steady rise in my effective rate since Obama took power and last year paid an effective rate of 12.65% (the highest I have ever paid). (FYI, my AGI is WELL BELOW \$250k).

And how much did your income go up during that time?

intelligent comment below:
GeneralJim: I like various science documentaries

What happens when they start talking about global warming? Do they suck your brains out?

I'm pretty sure that's not possible, although TeleTubbies makes a good effort. Most of them are interesting, and it's pretty clear that they have an agenda, and know that the show is dishonest. But, some of them are EXCELLENT.

dickfreckle:
FOX is demonstrably, vehemently biased. Farking Helen Keller would see it after 90 seconds of random viewing. CNN is demonstrably vapid and worthless, but not liberal..

Well, you're a leftist know-nothing, so your being wrong on this is not surprising. Peer-reviewed research says you're wrong. Specifically:
The research concluded that of the major 20 news outlets studied "18 scored left of the average U.S. voter, with CBS Evening News, The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal, while only the Fox News "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter."

The study is referenced in the Wikipedia entry Media bias in the United States. You might try reading it to get your tiny mind out of it's itty-bitty rut. Or, read the QUOTED PAPER ITSELF.

fragMasterFlash:
GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.

Good thing we aren't spending a metric asstonne of money on prisons for drug offenders and funding two wars in the middle east. Oh wait...

Exactly. I DID mention the bloated military and its adventurism in my post... But, in this one, I did not mention jails, so...

Remove all laws for victimless crimes. Legalize all drugs, and tax them based upon their damage to society. (Marijuana would probably be tax-free.) Have the government produce ACCURATE descriptions of the drugs and their effects.

Let all people jailed for drug use offenses out, period. Re-evaluate those in jail for drug sales or production. Those who acted sociopathically (with no concern for others) should be kept in jail, all others released.

NewportBarGuy:
GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.

Please, for the love of Christ, don't ever speak of economic matters from this day forward. Take up macramé or something. You have no f*cking idea what you are talking about and should really move on to a subject you can grasp. Try sports! You call call into sports radio and scream about how some team sucks. You'll love it.

Thanks for your understanding. I'm not calling you stupid, you just choose to talk about a subject you have no idea about. It happens all the time. You'll get over it.

As if you had room to talk. So, you can look at this, and say "Meh, no problem. Spending graphs ALWAYS go asymptotic after a while..."

Clearly, we're not spending too much...

Mr.Man:
Corporate welfare,farm subsidies Jim.These are the real problems,not helping the poor live.

Both corporate welfare and farm subsidies should end. But, if they were totally eliminated today, the overall picture wouldn't change much. Most of the money spent is spent on, in order, largest first: 1. Medicare/Medicaid 2. Military 3. Social Security 4. "Safety Net" programs, including Food Stamps 5. Interest on the national debt.

EVERYTHING ELSE is less than 2% of the budget. Those five are where the money is being spent. The cuts that matter are on the big ticket items.

Here's how the chartmaker divides things:

intelligent comment below:
GeneralJim: Dan Rather is the epitome of that -- standing behind a known forgery, because it made an anti-Bush point.

Dan Rather's report was 100% correct

Bush was MIA for months after he was supposed to report for duty in Arkansas.

Again, this was investigated and found to be false. That's what you get when you are fine with using forged documents to prove a point.

Now GWB (and lots of OTHER kids of powerful people) DID get a lot of excused time off. That's a separate issue. But GWB got time off, through channels, to "help his dad." Kids from rich and/or powerful families get lots of breaks others don't get. It isn't limited to GWB, or Republicans, for that matter.

But, even if GWB had been AWOL, (not MIA, dumbass) it is NOT okay to make your point with a forged document. That I have to explain this to you is indicative of the problems you have... AND it makes you a prime candidate for the DNC, so you've got THAT going for you.

intelligent comment below:
GeneralJim: THIS is where our economic troubles need to be corrected -- in the spending end of things.

I love how you factor in business bailouts, tax cuts, as part of the spending equation, but seem to completely ignore the line called revenue that keeps dropping and dropping except for some made up "projected" increase

That's right, you drooling halfwit, because revenue has NOT been brought down by changing formulae, it has been brought down by most people making less money, and therefore paying fewer taxes. Revenue is fine -- when the economy picks up, it will rise dramatically. What is outrageous is the MASSIVE increase in spending. You know, you should just STFU. You don't know a damned thing, and keep blathering about irrelevancies.

untaken_name:
intelligent comment below: MyRandomName: So the rich are paying a larger portion of taxes than recent history... tax them more!

The depression wiped out wealth for 80% of Americans. Of course the wealthy with their huge piece of the pie are going to show a bigger portion of taxes paid because of that.

If there was ever a more ironic fark handle, I've not seen it. What's bigger, 1% of 1,000,000 or 90% of 100? The answer may help you to understand why the wealthy typically do pay a larger portion of taxes.

Yep, it's ironic, all right. But, I think it means that below HIS drivel, you'll often find an intelligent comment.

eggrolls:
FDR's massive deficit spending ended the Great Depression.

It's that simple.

FDR's massive deficit spending turned a regular recession into the Great Depression. Obama is following in his footsteps.

Silverstaff:
Climatology stats say conclusively that global warming is occurring? Obvious liberal bias in that reality.

Warming is occurring. Almost none of it is due to humans. The current multi-hundred year warming is a recovery from the little ice age, and started BEFORE the industrial revolution, so cannot be caused by it.

When scientists take MEASUREMENTS of climate sensitivity to carbon dioxide, they find that DOUBLING the amount of carbon dioxide in the air will raise the temperatures, but only by 0.48K to 1.10K, with 95% certainty. Trying to make that look like a disaster is where the bias lies.

Silverstaff:
Progressives, a.k.a. liberals use facts to support decision making.
Conservatives use dogma to support decision making, without regard to the facts.

As you have conclusively shown here, both sides use facts to support decision making, but progressives don't care if THEIR facts have been proven to be false.

Wyalt Derp:
In reality, taxes and spending have both been cut under this administration, so a "turnaround in policy" would see both go back up again.

See how taxes have been "cut?"
One needs to be a complete tool to believe that.

Fluorescent Testicle: xen0blue: it's ignorant, stereotyping assholes like you who calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist who are the bigot

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/Disagreeing with me does not make them racist, being racist makes them racist.
//Intolerance of intolerance is not bigotry, it's sanity.

Half of those aren't even racist (unless you want them to be) and those few select ones that are don't represent the entire tea party movement. I can show you a democratic rally with black panthers protesting, or a OWS protest with communist signs, that doesn't mean everyone in OWS agrees with them or everyone in the democratic party agrees with the black panthers. You can't throw a blanked over everyone and say "they are ALL like that". That's ignorance.

thenewmissus: OgreMagi: Silverstaff: Facts have a well documented Liberal bias.

Facts have NO FARKING BIAS. Anyone who thinks facts have a bias doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact". Facts are neutral.

THIS

Um,

all facts have a sight bias: observer bias.

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