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2012-07-11 10:14:29 PM

Coco LaFemme: The thing that always gives me the tickles, is you hear these Teatards ranting and raving about how we need to go back to the "good ol' days", which means when blacks and women were subservient to their white male overlords, but what they don't also realize is back in the "good ol' days", the marginal tax rate was in the 90th percentile. It's what, 36% percent now? If 36% is too much and worthy of a revolt, what the fark would these crackers do at 90% or more? Spontaneously combust?

Not to mention, those fat assholes on the Hoveround scooters wouldn't have Medicare to pay for it, since there was no Medicare until 1965. Or Medicaid either.


Wow, ignorance abounds! Comparing the marginal tax rates means jack shiats without accounting for AGI. There were many more loopholes under those tax codes.
 
2012-07-11 10:14:54 PM

BigNumber12: And the national budget is deep in the red every year! Hooray!


I'd actually be okay with higher taxes if it helped out the country. I would like to see better education, medicine, and social services. It's unusual that this sort of love of country seems to fly in the face of the Republican's love of country.
 
2012-07-11 10:14:55 PM

Mikey1969: mitchcumstein1: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.

If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live.

I thought the initial rise was perfectly fine to blame on Bush. You simultaneously start two wars in oil country and then mismanage the fark out of them, it's your fault when prices go up. After the speculating vultures dove in though, it was out of his hands. The initial fark up I will always blame on that sack of shiat though.


Afghanistan exports no oil. They have no influence on the price. Otoh they may effect the price of opium. Can't win them all I guess.

// fun fact, it is legal to grow poppy plants in the US.
 
2012-07-11 10:15:30 PM

vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.


So, you're saying that the high unemployment rate was caused by Bush?
 
2012-07-11 10:16:26 PM
Ah the fresh smell of relative-driven political economics.
 
2012-07-11 10:16:50 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: When I was making 30k per year less than I am now, I was also paying a lower tax rate.

Nice way to spin "people are making a farkton less money" into a positive for obama.


So please explain how this justifies the Tea Party again.
 
2012-07-11 10:17:24 PM

dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definitely religious, definitely a Republican, but mostly normal. He drove sports cars, enjoyed a beer now and then, and was a likable cat. The moment FOX became a household item is when he began to change into a vitriolic bastard who would only read or listen to sources that sparked his fear center rather than being factual. The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America. The worst thing about it is that my mother, considerably more open-minded than he, basically went along for the ride as the dutiful wife.

Then the Tea Party happened. Holy sh*t was he on board. Sarah Palin's book proudly soiled the coffee table. He began calling himself a "strict Constitutionalist" while spouting anything but. He was for "small government" but demanded it monitor your vagina, blood stream, and quicksand wars. Anyone who disagreed "hates America." And yes, Obama was simultaneously an unqualified boob and a political master craftsman bent on destroying our way of life, and must be stopped. One day I had to actually leave the room when he finally said, "Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No trace of kidding in his voice, and the comment was aimed directly at my bow. As you can imagine, this was eventually followed by some nebulous claims that Obama was using the Constitution as toilet paper, and there was no sense in bringing up his discords. In short, my dad was the guy in the Onion article we all know and love. And it's also when I stopped respecting him. That's a hell of thing for a man, to lose respect for his own father after a lifetime of idolizing him.

Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.


So you blame fox news because your dad is a moron? Interesting.
 
2012-07-11 10:17:43 PM

belhade: Maybe this is why we're losing critical public services (like fire and police departments) and crumbling infrastructure?


Beg pardon?

Police should share their drug money with the fire department, no?

Infrastructure is another matter.

Pffft.

P.S. Hey richie, pay now, or pay later when your house of cards "crumbles"...;)

P.P.S. Bait taken.
 
2012-07-11 10:17:45 PM

vodka: Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.


So you admit 9/11 happened under Clinton's watch?

 
2012-07-11 10:18:48 PM

cretinbob: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

[www.clowder.net image 352x353]

//never mind the Bush policies that drove down average income, right?


Dammit! I was following all of the comments with an open mind and what happens? I land on Cretinbob's post and have a petit mal seizure. I did. Fark you, Cretinbob!

/but you're right
//at least as best I can tell whilst recovering from my seizure
///Fark you again, Cretinbob!
////slashies...and moaning in pain with migraine
 
2012-07-11 10:19:09 PM
I don't know why racist people insist on calling Obama a n*gg'r. Wouldn't it be more accurate to call him a nig since he's only 1/2 black?
 
2012-07-11 10:19:53 PM
www.motifake.com
 
2012-07-11 10:20:14 PM

vegasj: vodka: Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.

So you admit 9/11 happened under Clinton's watch?


Nice placement. ;)
 
2012-07-11 10:20:15 PM

vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.


Tell that to the IRS when they come looking for taxes owed on unemployment benefits.
 
2012-07-11 10:20:22 PM
My taxes have nigh doubled under Obama.

/my income has gone up by ~3x since he took office
//not because, since
 
2012-07-11 10:20:59 PM
Lets not forget about the fastest racking up of national debt EVAR!!! Give me a higher tax rate and stop racking up national debt. Balance the god damn budget!
 
2012-07-11 10:21:03 PM
fark that communist.

fark the idiots that elected him.

fark congress too...

Not a damn thing will change for the better until we just straight up crash and are forced to take up pitchforks and torches and "burn this mutha down".

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-07-11 10:23:36 PM
Anyone say it's Bush's fault yet?
 
2012-07-11 10:23:50 PM

INeedAName: BigNumber12: And the national budget is deep in the red every year! Hooray!

I'd actually be okay with higher taxes if it helped out the country. I would like to see better education, medicine, and social services. It's unusual that this sort of love of country seems to fly in the face of the Republican's love of country.



That's why I don't understand this thread. Fark seems to be predominantly filled with people who prefer the benefits of tax revenue to the generic idea of "lower taxes," so it's somewhat surprising to see a thread like this that appears to be touting the "lowest tax rates in 30 years" as some sort of accomplishment. Whatever it takes for an opportunity to stick it to the Tea Party, I guess.
 
2012-07-11 10:24:10 PM

MrHelpful: So you blame fox news because your dad is a moron? Interesting.


I said "largely responsible." The guy was obviously already of a weak mindset to be suckered in the first place. FOX just hammered it home for him.

Would you forgive your family member's drug dealer, even though he's not directly responsible? Probably not. And that's how I feel about FOX and the rest of the window-licker diarrhea out there. They galvanize legions of the misinformed, which translates into a negative for society.
 
2012-07-11 10:24:15 PM

netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.


Subby's a farking illiterate troll.

shiat, let's all earn a buck each and we'll have the lowest tax rate ever!!
 
2012-07-11 10:24:29 PM

DarwiOdrade: vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.

So, you're saying that the high unemployment rate was caused by Bush?


It was caused by the American people when they elected a oil executive as president and he started a war to cause the rise to $4/gallon gas, both of which which the US have not recovered from.
 
2012-07-11 10:24:44 PM

Indubitably: vegasj: vodka: Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.

So you admit 9/11 happened under Clinton's watch?

Nice placement. ;)


P.S. It is not communist to care for people who fuel the engine of America. WTF is wrong with you, capitalist? How much do you get to fark up the world b4 you are reevaluated?

P.P.S. You are over and reevaluated now, system...
 
2012-07-11 10:25:20 PM

DIGITALgimpus: People forget. We are not an agricultural country anymore. We're not even industrial. Our economy is increasingly dependent on people's discretionary income. If people have no discretionary income, our economy has no customers. It's that simple.


If Americans run out of discretionary money, I'm moving back to Mexico. It will probably be safer.
 
2012-07-11 10:27:12 PM

Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!


Are you really this stupid? You still have to pay income tax on unemployment payments.
 
2012-07-11 10:28:17 PM

lockers: Afghanistan exports no oil. They have no influence on the price. Otoh they may effect the price of opium. Can't win them all I guess.

// fun fact, it is legal to grow poppy plants in the US.


Someone farts over there and oil prices skyrocket. ANYwhere over there, doesn't matter if they export oil or not, everybody shiats bricks about "stability in the Middle East" and over-reacts no matter who does what where.

//Fun fact, under the Taliban, Opium production was pretty much nil, they didn't cotton to that kind of thing. As a matter of fact, we had 'em over here for a big party in the spring of '01 where we gave em a bunch of money for doing such a good job of getting rid of the Opium. $43 million, actually.
 
2012-07-11 10:28:47 PM

dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definite ...


Here's a hug, man. That sucks. I have an uncle who went Teahadist, but your own dad...

*hug*
 
2012-07-11 10:28:59 PM
In 19880, I marginal tax rates of:
* 42% to the feds
* 5% to the state of Minnesota
* 6.5% to Social Security

"Taxed-enough already" sounds like traitors who aren't willing to pay for their wars.
 
2012-07-11 10:29:23 PM

dickfreckle: The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America.


I won't quote your entire post (it was quite good though) but there was a strain of paranoia to your father's behavior that has compelled me to ask the following: Is he mentally sound?

No doubt many of us have seen age take its toll on our parents' faculties. Is it possible that your father is displaying signs of some sort of mental illness? I know it probably seems like I am just seeing things but I sometimes wonder about my parents and how I will be able to identify the beginnings of mental illness. Perhaps a radical political shift might herald it. I don't know.
 
2012-07-11 10:29:41 PM

vodka: You pay no taxes when you're unemployed.

Plus, being the first year in office, 99% of any effects you see are due to the last president.


Unless they're BAD effects of course. We all know how this works by now.
 
2012-07-11 10:31:05 PM

dickfreckle: meat0918: Where is the Tea Party now? Calling you a fool.

My mother didn't believe me until I showed her chart with the rates.

Her personal economy was she and step-dad hit the over $250,000 in combined income their first year of marriage due to early retirement, cashing out some vacation, and having to withdraw some cash from their 401K for medical expenses, so they personally had higher tax rates for a while. This was in 2005 though, which I reminded her was before Obama was elected.

Now, she accepted that taxes were really low, but kept saying he was gonna raise taxes soon.

She has said since 2008, that even as a life long Democrat, she "just doesn't trust" Obama. She voted Hillary in the Michigan primary, and I think she's registered might have changed to Independent now.

I finally figured out my mom's a bad in the closet racist though when she admonished my sister for taking my niece to a "nursery run by a black woman" and her little girl was picking up all sorts of "black mannerisms and sass" and then finished it up with "Now I'm not racist but it's just not ok".

Glad I live 2000+ miles away.

I also had a revelation about my parents, which became blatantly clear once Obama was elected but had brewing for years while FOX barked from a giant television in the living room.

One year I came home to visit and noticed they no longer subscribed to Time or the daily newspaper, both of which were staples in our house while I was growing up. Dad made some remark about how he didn't trust the "liberal media" but I really didn't give it much thought.

Then the derp started to be carbon copies of something I had read or heard from Hannity the previous day. The fwd:FWD:FWD began to avalanche in my inbox. One day he finally just came out and said, "Stupid n**gers destroyed the economy by taking out loans they couldn't afford." That word had never been uttered in our household before. Ever.

Most of my life, my dad always struck me as an even-keeled guy. Definitely religious, definitely a Republican, but mostly normal. He drove sports cars, enjoyed a beer now and then, and was a likable cat. The moment FOX became a household item is when he began to change into a vitriolic bastard who would only read or listen to sources that sparked his fear center rather than being factual. The guy wouldn't even read an AP news feed because it's all a liberal conspiracy of thousands of individual journalists who apparently hold weekly meetings in Berkley and plot their next move in the plot to destroy America. The worst thing about it is that my mother, considerably more open-minded than he, basically went along for the ride as the dutiful wife.

Then the Tea Party happened. Holy sh*t was he on board. Sarah Palin's book proudly soiled the coffee table. He began calling himself a "strict Constitutionalist" while spouting anything but. He was for "small government" but demanded it monitor your vagina, blood stream, and quicksand wars. Anyone who disagreed "hates America." And yes, Obama was simultaneously an unqualified boob and a political master craftsman bent on destroying our way of life, and must be stopped. One day I had to actually leave the room when he finally said, "Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No trace of kidding in his voice, and the comment was aimed directly at my bow. As you can imagine, this was eventually followed by some nebulous claims that Obama was using the Constitution as toilet paper, and there was no sense in bringing up his discords. In short, my dad was the guy in the Onion article we all know and love. And it's also when I stopped respecting him. That's a hell of thing for a man, to lose respect for his own father after a lifetime of idolizing him.

Yes, I hold FOX largely responsible. They didn't hold a gun to his head and force him to watch, but their very existence has proven to be a net loss to society. And it's only going to get worse. I'm just glad I turned out to be straight, or he probably would have disowned me.


My condolences. We've gone through nearly the same path with my FIL.

Being in the same room with him is painful because OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY vomits out of him. It is all Fox News fault.
 
2012-07-11 10:31:17 PM

mitchcumstein1:

If someone blames the President of the United States for high gas prices they are too stupid to live.


Anyone who says Obama is a socialist is too stupid to live.
 
2012-07-11 10:31:35 PM

Omnivorous: In 19880, I marginal tax rates of:
* 42% to the feds
* 5% to the state of Minnesota
* 6.5% to Social Security



Thank goodness you have plenty of time to save up.
 
2012-07-11 10:31:46 PM

netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault


I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!"
 
2012-07-11 10:32:35 PM

Omnivorous: In 19880, I marginal tax rates of:
* 42% to the feds
* 5% to the state of Minnesota
* 6.5% to Social Security

"Taxed-enough already" sounds like traitors who aren't willing to pay for their wars.


Like, whoa dude or dudette. Lay off the booze or the weed. Unless you are a time traveling marginal tax rate from the future and Minnesota has lasted a really long time. Then you can smoke all the drugs you want.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:17 PM
Tax credits are not the same thing as lowered taxes or tax deductions. They're subsidies paid to anyone who qualifies, whether or not they pay any net taxes. Handing money to someone who didn't pay any taxes isn't a tax cut, it's a welfare program with a Newspeak name.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:39 PM
Democrats = The party of the uneducated.

anyone else can read between the lines.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:42 PM

Owangotang: Said it before, saying it again: as long as I have to pay higher taxes because I'm childless, single, and don't own a home I feel zero sympathy for anyone else and their tax issues.


Preach, son.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:53 PM

unlikely: tenpoundsofcheese: and if it wasn't for the Tea Party, 0bama never would have extended the Bush Tax Cuts!

Good work Tea Party!

Good work 0bama - nice to see that you agree that the Bush Tax Cuts are good for the country (otherwise why would he have extended them?)

IIRC wasn't it a "We Republicans are going to block funding for unemployment and sick children unless you let us bundle the Bush Tax Cut extension with them" or something?


Yes.

Ceiling Moran: Xyling: Average tax rate? When incomes go down, you drop into a lower bracket. Of course the tax rates on average will be lower.

Those unemployed people are even luckier, their tax rate is 0%!

Are you really this stupid? You still have to pay income tax on unemployment payments.


Yes, he's that stupid.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:56 PM

Wittenberg Dropout: DIGITALgimpus: People forget. We are not an agricultural country anymore. We're not even industrial. Our economy is increasingly dependent on people's discretionary income. If people have no discretionary income, our economy has no customers. It's that simple.

If Americans run out of discretionary money, I'm moving back to Mexico. It will probably be safer.


Nah, we'll reevaluate.

We're Americans, man.

We rock change when we have to: vote for people. Last time I checked, Pomney was NOT people.

I'm not sure if he's an android, from outer space with the golden tablets, or just slinging wealthy slime all about the place...

When money buys elections, America doesn't exist anymore. ;)

People own everything, including elections.

Money is immaterial.
 
2012-07-11 10:34:01 PM

pciszek: netizencain: 2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault

I don't recall any liberals blaming Bush for the high gas prices--we we more like "It's your fault you bought a @#$%^&*! Hummer, you moran!"



Don't worry, selective memory is a trait of all humans.
 
2012-07-11 10:34:16 PM

dickfreckle: About the closest your claim comes to reality is when people blame Bush for foreign policy actions that had immediate impact on prices. No one actually thinks Bush had direct input on the matter, anymore than we think Obama has the same outside of his own Band-Aid measures of limited impact. There's no red and green button under the desk in the Oval Office, and I'm sorry you think that liberals believe as much.


Yeah, except that I remember the Bush administration.

6/10
 
2012-07-11 10:34:18 PM
Good thing the wars on drugs and terror are helping to fuel such a strong economy. Time to declare some more wars, huh?
 
2012-07-11 10:34:34 PM
lol

the tea party is mainly gripes about the government SPENDING TOO MUCH, not about being taxed too much. are you serious?
 
2012-07-11 10:35:36 PM
Forget the recession and lower incomes. The farking income tax rates that Americans are paying today are as low as they have been at any point in modern history. You'd have to go back to prior to the outbreak of World War II to find a time when Americans were paying lower income tax rates than they are paying right now. (The only exception to this was a brief period at the end of the Reagan administration, when the highest tax bracket had its rate lowered to 29%. This lasted only a few years until Washington was sane enough to realize that it was not sustainable, at which point it was raised again.)

This is a fact.

There is no "Yes, but Rush..." or "Yes, but Jesus..." that you can pull out of your hat to refute this.

And yet people, for whatever reason, are convinced that their income taxes have never been higher. Do we have any of these geniuses in residence? If so, can you please tell us when Obama raised your taxes, and by how much?
 
2012-07-11 10:36:26 PM
 
2012-07-11 10:37:08 PM

giftedmadness: lol

the tea party is mainly gripes about the government SPENDING TOO MUCH, not about being taxed too much. are you serious?


Are you serious?
 
2012-07-11 10:38:48 PM

netizencain: BSABSVR: oldfarthenry: netizencain: In part, the tax decline was due to the dramatic decrease in average income that year.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

So Fartbongo doesn't control the economy and shouldn't be blamed for it going bad?

He only controls the bad parts.

The political party that is not yours is responsible for the bad.


2006 High gas prices? You hate Bush? It's Bush's fault
2011 High gas prices? You love Obama? The President doesn't control that.

IT's the same... everywhere. everytime.


You are 100% correct. The president doesn't, OPEC controls gas prices.
 
2012-07-11 10:39:14 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Y'know, I'd actually respect the Teabaggers somewhat if they'd just come out and admit that they can't stand having an uppity n****r in the White House. As much as I hate bigots, I hate liars more. Lying to cover up for bigotry is like how-to-piss-me-off squared.


it's ignorant, stereotyping assholes like you who calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist who are the bigot

/is not affiliated with the tea party
//hates race baiters
 
2012-07-11 10:39:36 PM
FTA : the low rates also reflect measures the Obama administration took to mediate the impact of the recession, including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit

They shouldnt include people with welfare-type tax credits in the averages.
 
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